Issue of Mulniwasi

[Param Anand]

Namo Buddhay Brothers and Sisters,

 

Good Bro Takshak .........  You had always avoided talking on this issue many times in our discussions at your home. .........  Your point of Foreign person is really up to mark .....  But I will answer later ........

 

Now, Let us have a debate on this issue......  So that atleast my views ( may be of all of us) will be cleared. ..... First of all you must born in mind that our aim is not BAMSEF nor SAMATA SAINIK DAL and nor Jai Mulniwasi  ........ 

 

Our ultimate aim is DHAMMA , i.e. Buddhism and i.e. the dream of Dr Ambedkar.  ....  For this we can reject and obliterate all the negative things in Mission, thus Jai Mulniwasi should not have any bearing out of emotions as well as Jai Bhim ........ 

 

We should know that DHAMMA is ulitmate. .......  Jai Bhim is media which is next to nothing. .............. and in this way you should be aware that what will be the position and status of Jai Buddha or Namo Buddhay!

 

You should also be aware that very few people are other than Buddhist here (on gmail or orkut or facebook) who salute as "Jai Bhim".  ....... In the same way you should born in mind well that very few people are here who really work in the field for the Movement of Mission........... 

 

Also there are many who dont like to discuss about Buddha, or sometimes I find the people who put Buddha next to Ambedkar and Somtimes dont even accpet Buddha ........  Similarly there are people who accept Buddha but not Ambedkar ........ 

 

All these issues are inconnected ............ Also there are Buddhist who dont have any action of Buddhism in their practice ........  also  I seen great lovers of " Jai Bhim" who say that in today's life boozing is OK ( negation of the 5 th Sheel). ........

 

Any way,

 

I am pleased to have the reactions on this issue. Dear bro and sis I invite all of you to pour your inputs and lets have a healthy debate on this issue of "Jai Mulniwasi' and " Jai Bhim" but you should know that "Jai Bhim" has always much much Greater position than "Jai Mulniwasi" (and even you can not compare both) .......  Jai Mulniwasi is futile without Jai Bhim ...  and Jai Bhim is incomplete with Namo Buddhay!

 

If I am convinced, I am ready to abandon 'Jai Mulniwasi' .......  

 

I will give my reaction subsequently ........

 

Namo Buddhay, Jai Bhim, Jai Kabi, Jai Ravidas, Jai Namdev... Jai all and Jai Mulniwasi ......

Dr Anand

[Param Anand]

@ Kishore Londhe,
Namo Buddhay,

One more great thought ...........  But please ponder more on your point number Eight ......  also all of you think on this point, when Mali community itself dont have true fellowship of Mahatma Phule how do u expect them to follow Dr Ambedkar (when Phule was more vibrant and acute antagonist of Brahmins and Brahminism who wrote on that even the shadow of Brahmin should fall on his House) ...... .......... Also think whether as Jai Ravidas, Jai Mangulowali, Jai Shivaji, Jai ..... is hijacked and polluted by the RSS through diff organisation ..........  Jai Bhim is also hijacked through some parties and organisation ............  But RSS can not hijack or pollute Jai Mulniwasi because it leads to their own exposure ............

You should also know that as they spread that Shivaji and Ravidas were the sons of some Brahmins, they had also started the same thing about Ambedkar ...........

We should also be aware all the conversion were just the showbusiness in Maharashtra. Laxman Mane carried the same 30-40 people all over Maharashtra ................  But conversion in other states are genuine but you should find out what is main cause and whose efforts lead them to adopt the Ambedkar's dream.

Ok, thanks for the reaction..  please have more inputs ...
Dr Anand

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 9:28 PM, kishor londhe <drkisho...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear friends, Jai Bhim,

For last 3 days I am reading this hot topic of jai bhim vs jai mulniwasi. these mails gave me lot of knowledge.

I want to give my views about this issue. It might hurt many people but I think I must say these things.

First thing, some people given in their email that people asked Babasaheb to delay the acceptance of Buddhism for election. But Babasaheb bravely accepted Buddhism though other untouchable communities in Maharashtra didn't got converted.

Second thing, Republican party of India restricted itself a party of buddhist (previous mahar) people. Here other mistake of not including other untouchable communities in the fight, so those communities made their distance with newly converted Buddhist people and continued to follow hinduism.

Third thing, Mahar and Matang has cold war since ages. When mahar left their balutedari (lower jobs in villages) matag immediatly accepted them. Still in many villages in Maharashtra there are separate Samaj-mandirs for both communities. Chambar people were having money in their hands as compare to other untouchables due to their jobs of leather. This community feared of loosing of money they are getting of upper caste people and till the date today excluding some respectable people of chambhar community did not taken part in any protest. They are silent always take their benefit for reservation system, do progress and think why to fight on issue of reservation then mahars are there to come on road for fight.

Fourth thing, Republican party of India went into hands unworthy people who started thinking they are like King and all Buddhist (previous mahar) people will follow them. Even the Mahar caste in Maharashtra has its subcaste except west Maharashtra. After converting to Buddhism still these subcasts can't forget their identity and separate groups came into picture in Republican party of India. Sharad Pawar wisely noticed this and for his own benefit he made dogs out of leaders of RPI.

Fifth thing, movement outside Maharashtra became strong due to efforts of Mr. Kanshiramji. Behan Mayawatiji continued the movement of Kanshiramji but she made mistake herself not to convert herself into Buddhism just for sake of power. She also given wrong message of "Hatti nahi ganesh hai, Bhrahama-vishnu-mahesh hai". In Utterpradesh before social engineering theory she was dependent of votes of Chamar (chambhar), Jatav. Still these communities are basic lifeline of votes for BSP. When BSP tried to establish them self in Maharashtra they first concentrated on chamabhar samaj which is their basic lifeline, but as I said in third point chambhar made themself so inactive BSP had to see major setback. Then they tried to concentrate on mahar samaj (now converted to Buddhist) to get some help but this community pissed up from RPI politics were hesitant to accept new party like BSP.

Sixth point, many people even in Maharashtra are now converting to Buddhism. Recent event is conversion by Mr. Laxaman Mane and Sushma Andhare along with VJ-NT tribe (bhatake vimukt, paradhi, ramoshi, kaikadi, etc.). It is well known that Mr. Laxaman mane has close relationship with Sharad Pawar, but inbetween for few years he Mr. mane got neglected and same time he was influenced by Buddhism to make his own status (social status or political status). Miss Sushama Andhare was giving great speeches before this conversion ceremony. Many people also know that few weeks after conversion vehicle carrying leaders involved in conversion of VJ-NT tribe got accident. No one died but these leaders were in ICU for many days. After this incidence Mr. Mane has said not a single word about conversion of more people to Buddhism and he started praising Sharad Pawar again, also went for election but got defeat. Miss Sushama Andhare not given single speech. In one meeting in Pune my pappa personally asked Mr. mane about absence of Miss Andhare, that time he told after accident she do not want to make any speech.

Seventh point, about BAMSEF. With the increasing strength of RPI in previous days many people thinking that they can't grow to higher level in RPI joined BAMSEF. At the same time many other backward communities got awareness of their mistake not going with Babasaheb. Now to join the movement these people were in search of platform. BAMSEF found this opportunity and to attarct them in their group to tried to tell these communities how the communities these people in BAMSEF are related with their cummunities this term of MULNIWASI was made popularized. By this was BAMSEF people got mass people without impressing thoughts of Babasaheb and Buddhism on these people.

Eighth point, Mahatma Phule ji and Savitimai are not been followed even by Mali samaj to which they belong. Except few respected people this community has also gone into sleep. Chagan Bhujabal is showing that he is leader of all OBCs just to make his political weight in nationalist congress party, but what about messages given by Mahatma Phuleji and Savitrimai. Then Babasaheb is far away for them.

By considering the points above I want conclude that because of mistakes in past made by our own leaders many people did not converted to Buddhism. These people who hesitate to follow Babasaheb or Buddha brought these terms like Jai Ravidasji, Jai Phule, Jai Annabhau Sathe, etc, etc,. Now if even people are trying to converted to Buddhism hindrance are been made by RSS. So considering the population of backward class community only few percent of loyal people remain who are saying Jai Bhim.

So I appeal all backward class people though even our fathers has mistake in past not joining movement of Babasaheb, join it now without hesitation, do not get miss guided by few politically influenced people and say JAI BHIM with proud. Otherwise the words of 2nd Sarsanghchalak of RSS Golwarkar guruji will came true, he said, "I am proud of those low caste people who even after being ill-treated by higher caste hindus remained sticked to Hindu religion".

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With warm regards,

Dr. Kishor Bapu Londhe,
Ph.D student, Hannover Biomedical Research School, Germany.
MBBS, M.Tech Biomedical Engg.(IIT Bombay)
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On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Sachin Sarate <drsa...@gmail.com> wrote:

Jai Bheem all.

 

Just to add one more incident from past...

 

A group of mischievous boys from our community mad a group on the day of Dhammachakrapravartan din at Chitya Bhoomi and started greeting all people with "Jai Ramji Ki"!! After some time they were held by some activists who tried to oppoes them for this mischief... and their answer was... "Ramji Sakpal" was Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar's father!! So why just say Jai Bheem and not "Jai Ramji ki"???

 

Jai Bheem.

Jai Bharat.

 

Metta,

Sachin.

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Takshak <tak...@gmail.com> wrote:

Excellent Sunil and Anil Sir.

Jai-Bheem !!! Have courage to Say Jai-Bheem and lets teach Jai-Bheem to others...

In Mission
--A Samta Sainik

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 3:51 AM, Sunil Bodhi <sunilh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

Namo Buddhay and Jai Bheem !!

 

I didnt want to comment on this email but still.... :) , first of all I apologize if this email hurts to anyone directly or indirectly.

 

Few days back, I had have attended one Cadre Camp of Mulniwasi. They tried to tell true history in very fantastic way, no doubt. From there i came to know that MULNIWASI Group is Non-Agitational, Non-political, Non-Religious etc etc ...If they are saying that they are non-religious they how Jai Mulniwasi is going to help?

 

Friends this might be the critics for one email, ..."... Jai all and Jai Mulniwasi ......"

does this Jai all, also Jai/Victory to all crores of non-Brahmins hindu god/godess, Allah, jesus christ, Bhagwan Mahavir etc. As Mulniwasi people says.....Brahmins hai Videshi ....Baki sab Mulniwasi! so victory to non-brahmins god very funny.

 

Many of our friends who are always bounded to Maharashtra always say that Buddhism has embraced by so called Mahar of Maharashtra. But what about who are not Mahars and still adopting the Buddhism in North and South. Here, Jai Mulniwasi people didnt go to them and tell to adopt the Buddhism. The message of Babasaheb is reaching them to embrace the Buddhism.

 

Well, my friends I dont have any hatred for Mulniwasi Groups but the concept of Mulniwasi sect is not digestable by me.

 

Lets move We all are aware Babasaheb used to write Jai Bhavani in his mails. then why dont we also involve that in our list of Jai... is it because Shiv Sena people use it?

 

We must remember, Jai Bheem is international recognised, where we salutes to Babasaheb..When we say we salute to Babasaheb, doesn't it mean Jai Bheem is also salute/victory/Jai to babasahebs Teachers/Guru i.e. Buddha, Jyotiba Fule, Shahu Maharaj, Shivaji Maharaj, Saint Rohidas, Saint Gadge Maharaj. Yes, It is my dear friends.

 

Anyawys...its all upto individual Active group to what to say.

 

Few days back I attended one program of one famous singer (he is only 4th class educated not hightly one) at Vasai .....he said....

Jo Jai Bheem nahi mahnan tyachya Tondat kide pado.... (Those who wont say Jai Bheem, their mouth will be infected with insects)

 

I request to Brave Sainiks of Babsahebs Caravan not to use such new thing which will put the naive Sainiks in dilemma.

 

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Anil Yadavrao Gaikwad <ayga...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Dr Param Anand,

 

Jai Bheem!

You are contradicting yourself in your mail. You are saying that our ultimate aim is Dhamma and not politics.  Many People who follow "Jai Mulniwasi” are not Buddhist. Then why are you advocating for Jai Mulniwasi?

 

Over the years I have failed to understand one simple thing that people who say that they are follower of Dr  Babasaheb Ambedkar but we observe that they are not Buddhist. What was the last message Dr Babasaheb has given to us? Is it not follow Buddhism? When one says that he or she is follower of Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar then he should also accept the Babasaheb’s suggestion to conversion to Buddhism.  One is either follower or not. This is follower-ship by convenience.

 

On our various forum we have lot of people who claim that they are hardcore follower of Dr Babasaheb and they still follow either Christianity or Hinduism or some say they have no religion at all. I failed to understand their Psyche. How can they be true follower of Dr Babasaheb?

 

There are many examples of this. One of my Indian friend who was in India some 15 years ago and now settled in USA. He rouse to very high position in one of the renowned education Institute by availing reservation while he was in India. He got into good job in USA due to the fact that  he achieved good position in job due reservation. He is from a village near Nagpur. He married to a South Indian lady. I don’t know about the caste of this south Indian lady. This person is from Scheduled Tribe.  During one of his visit to India when we were discussing about Dr Babasaheb, to my surprise my friend said that Dr Babasaheb was a Brahmin and he worked on untouchablity issue.  Not only that his son who is brought-up in America is wearing thread saying that he is Brahmin. What kind to teaching parent are giving to their kids? One day, I am sure his son will come to know the reality and then what respect he will have for his father?

Another friend of mine is working in ONGC at senior post. By caste he is Mahar but his family converted to Christianity in 1920s. He is married to a lady who was Buddhist before marriage ( a Mahar by caste). My friend refuses to say Jaibheem. When I asked him about this issue he says he know the contribution of Dr Ambedkar in liberating him from untouchability and for him matter ends there.  Why all people who are converted to Christian by force or by will before 1956 and they are follower of Dr Babasaheb are not adopting to Buddhism now?

 

When we have so much problem in even following jaibheem why to create one more dividing factor – Jai Mulniwasi? A very respectable Indian Settled in UK once used only Jai Mulniwasi in his mail  on one of the forum and he did not mentioned jaibheem. I asked him on the forum as to why he is not writing salutation as jaibheem? He said he will reply me separately. It is now almost 4 years. I am yet to receive answer from him. He says he is strong follower of Dr Babasaheb.  When I had asked why he is not saying Jaibheem many Mulniwasi people on the forum wrote against me as why I have raised this question to such a senior person?

 

So my friends, we are not even able convince true follower of Dr Babasaheb to say Jaibheem where is the question of asking other people to say Jai Mulniwasi? Only politically motivated people prefer to say Jai Mulniwasi as they see achieving mileage in politics by saying Jai Mulniwasi. What are we achieving by just saying Jai Mulniwasi? That is the reason I am working with CERI (visit www.ceri.in) who is  Campaigning for introduction of Proportionate Electoral System(PES) in India. If PES is implemented in India we don’t have to  talk about any political gimmick. We can still achieve success in politics.

 

Regards

 

Anil Yadavrao Gaikwad

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  With Metta,
  Sunil Bodhi
Poonam Nagar, Andheri (E), Mumbai.
(+91) 932-518-0007

"Noble is your aim and sublime and glorious is your mission. Blessed are those who are awakened to their duty to those among whom they are born. Glory to those who devote their time, talents and their all to the amelioration of slavery. Glory to those who would reap their struggle for the liberation of the enslaved in spite of heavy odds, carping humiliation, storms and dangers till the downtrodden secure their Human Rights.” - Boddhisatva Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar.

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Dr. Sachin G. Sarate
MBBS, MTech (Biomedical Engg IITBombay)
+91-9283284898
Chennai

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With warm regards,

Dr. Kishor Bapu Londhe,
Ph.D student, Hannover Biomedical Research School, Germany.
MBBS, M.Tech Biomedical Engg.(IIT Bombay)
webpage: http://kishorlondhe.multiply.com
http://www.panoramio.com/user/1283592
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[Param Anand]

Ok Brothers and sisters,

1) Foremost point we should answer honestly that whether we want to object to BAMSEF or We want to object to Jai Mulniwasi.
2) Secondly do you think that Jai Mulniwasi replaces Jaibhim?  if you think like this then you are in wrong viewpoint. All who says Jai Mulniwasi, I found he is more adherent and great proclaimer and follower of Jai Bhim.
3) I didnt attend any cadre camp (@Sandeep Patil) ......... But I found the people who salute with Jai Mulniwasi, they are in the Movement on field and also best follower of 22 oaths  ..........
4) @ Takshak as reagards "Jai World" ......  it is just lowly twisting of the issue. You should know that after the incident of Marathas in a program in Pune, Ambedkar himself has to declare that Brahmins can never be one's friend. You should be knowing that Brahmins always destroyed Buddhism in history even  if they were given chance many times.  The reason is well versed in Vedas and now it is researched out that they lack a chromosome required for human values (read Tri-Eblisi).......  They ditched everytime even after converting to Buddhism .....  Now a days they are accepting Buddhism out of fear of there expelling from India. But we can not rely on them. There books on Buddhism are examples of it. To understand all this we must know what is the origin of word Hindu, Brahmin, christian, Muslim /Islam, Arya? When Brahmins arrived in India and why they arrived???? why horse does not belong to India?

As regards---- a Buddhist foreigner coming to India,----  we need not require any other salute because he has already accepted Buddhism and reached to "Namo Buddhay" status. We may require to proclaim "Jai world" also, if there is need to fight for our rights and existance against the tyranny from another Galaxy which is not a part of World. In this connection I would like to tell you about one speaker who said that the most aboriginal thing in world is amoeba, therefore we should say "Jai Amoeba". This person was anti -BAMSEF.   ...  (And your second point of 1956 seems to have no relevance with the issue ..........  ..........  )

Still I am ready to Throw out salutation of "Jai Mulniwasi" if any one can convince me ...

HAVE U READ TRI-EBLISI  ?  ... JUST READ AND THEN REPLY .......

@Sanjay and Anil ......................  Just analyze, what u written ........  On one side you want to say that We want to make whole India Buddhist ............  You also agree that every body should accept Dr Ambedkar and Buddha too. . ... But your writing reflects that you want to restrict Dr Ambedkar unto Dalits only ........ Doesnt Ambedkar and Buddha belong to all?  ( For me Buddha and Ambedkar Belong to whole universe, still we have to be careful about the conversion of Brahmins to Buddhism becoz not spared to Buddha also) ......  Also you are dividing Mulniwasi and Dalit ...  For your information  All the Dalits are Mulniwasis but All the Mulniwasis are not Dalit ! ........... Also in my write up I did not mentioned about Politics.

Just think brothers ,,,,,,,,,,,,, are u not dividing the people on the basis of class ........ Dalit, OBC, SC, ST etc....  (You should be clear that .....  it does not mean that Ambedkar made these classes out of discrimination)

Well, as regards BAMSEF ..........  I am not a worker of BAMSEF, nor I like all of their strategies nor all the works. .... We should not object all the actions of any person or organization just for the sake of our despise . ........... Many people dislike RPI for the acts of Ramdas Athwale ............  They forget to visualize his great hardwork and labor to establish the network of RPI all over India.  His labor can not be overlooked, but he could act as per his  intellectual capacity and knowlege or readings .......... 

As regards Khairlanji ..........  Think brothers ...  Doesn't a Father punishes a bad son? Dont we have the system of punishment of our brothers? ......  Again think ............ Did Ambedkar expect division on the basis of classes? ......  Had he wanted only Dalits to adopt Buddhism and his ideology ? .....  Do u think that Ambedkar would have favored the act of culprits of Khairlanji? ....... The answer is that, he too would have punished them . .......  But Ambedkar never liked Eye for Eye formula, nor Buddha .......... It is of Bible.

Think again n again and then reply .....

Ok, As regards power in " Jai Bhim" ............. Isnt there power in " Jai Kabir" and "Jai Ravidas" and "Jai Shivaji" ....... Kabir was regarded as Guru by Ambedkar, Ravidas was felicitated by presenting his book by Ambedkar and Shivaji was greeted by putting "Jai Shivaji" daily on his newpaper by Ambedkar himself.  ............ Isn't Ambedkar's Guru is your Guru ..........  Then you should accept saluting by saying "Jai Kabir" or "Jai Phule" (Phule is first true historian of World to research out the origin of Brahmins)............ 

IN more broad way ..........  WHY WE SHOULD NOT SAY DIRECTLY ......... " Jai Buddha" or "Namo Buddhay"   .. If you love Ambedkar, then Ambedkar loved and praised Buddha the most .......  Therefore we should start saying " Jai Buddha" or "Namo Buddhay" directly.   ................ What all of you think? reply on this point specially ............

Dont u visualize that the followers of Shivaji or Ravidass also expect you to salute by "Jai Shivaji" and "Jai Ravidass" .....  AS you expect them to salute by "Jai Bhim" ..........

Dear friends you are not visualizing that AS "Jai Shivaji" is marginalized to Marathas and "Jai Ravidass" to Cobblers ........ SAME WAY "Jai Bhim" is marginalized to Mahars ......... Think on this! (It does not mean we should obliterate "Jai Bhim" ...........   "Jai Bhim" is above all) ........

 If you want to attract a Bhangi from Rajasthan to Buddhism ........  What will u do? 

....  Think what will happen if you show him Buddha directly or talk on Buddha ...........  He/she will throw Buddha in garbage with lot of abuses ........ If u show them Ambedkar, they will still throw your Ambedkar in garbage .......... Am I saying wrong?

Ok, tell me how many of you converted any non-buddhist to Buddhism ? ............... Be honest and answer, .... It will be ZERO point something. I have converted 70 % of my office people to Buddhism .......  Now they accept that they were originally Buddhist only ........... 

How it happened and what was done?   We have to think,  what is required to be done ........... You have to show these people first Walmiki, Bashweshar, Ravidas, Shivaji, Sambhaji, Gurunanak, Tukaram, Harichand Thakur, Periyar Ramaswami, etc  ............... If you directly show them Ambedkar and Buddha then they throw !

Jai Mulniwasi is required to make these people to reach to level of Jai Ravidas, Jai Ravidas is to carry them to Jai Bhima and Jai Bhima leads to Jai Buddha , Namo Buddhay!

Also study 22 volumes and find out what Ambedkar done to attract 5 lacs people for Buddhism .... Had he told them in a single day to accept Buddhism? ..... Many fools say that Ambedkar had taken Buddhism on 14 Oct 56 ..... On this day he gave Buddhism to others. He had accepted Buddhism long back which began when he just passed his 4th std and read Keluskar's Buddha Charitra.  ....................... .........................   For years Ambedkar shown all the Great Leaders like Kabir, Ravidas, Shivaji, etc and Buddha at the last ...... It will not be daring to say that if he would have shown Buddha directly to them then   .?????

Do you have  Right to speak on Ambedkar  ?  :-

I request you to ponder on each point deeply and then only reply, ........... All of you introspect yourself, whether if you have the right to speak on this issue so widely............  Are you really an Ambedkarite? ....... and if you are Ambedkarite then you must be Buddhist also to reply rightfully on this issue ............  And you are Buddhist, only when you follow at least Panchsheela religiously ..(Because Pancheela is the basic for being a Buddhist, ... no matter if you dont follow Ashtasheela or Nobel Eightfold Path, and if you dont know 5 Anityas, 5 Anichchas, and 84000 Skandas). ........  Because condition of Panchsheela was laid by Buddha before 2500 yrs and it was reiterated by Ambedkar now in his 22 oaths.

Specially introspect yourself for each of Sheela with full honesty. (At this juncture I am not asking, whether you do Vandana at your house Daily, Whether you go to Viharas on every Sunday and Whether you go to nearby ancient Buddha Cave or Stupa on every Purnima).

With Metta,
Dr Anand

[TR AZAD]

Debate should be started to find out the means and methods for the dissemination of  the Ambedkarite ideology at gross root level.After let the decide what is wrong for and what is right for them.JAI BHIM

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Subject: Re: Issue of Mulniwasi
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From: abhit...@hotmail.com
To: dr-ambedkar-a...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Issue of Mulniwasi
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:30:51 +0000
SIR,

Debate should be started to find out the means and methods for the dissemination of  the Ambedkarite ideology at gross root level.After let the decide what is wrong for and what is right for them.JAI BHIM

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