[dorkbotpdx-blabber] The Group Order Lives!!!!

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Eric Garner

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Feb 7, 2012, 2:53:53 PM2/7/12
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After a long hiatus, I'm pleased to announce that the group parts
order is returning.

order goes out on the 13th to digikey and mouser.

relevant details are here: http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/dorkbotpdx_group_ordering

happy hacking!


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Jason Plumb

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Feb 8, 2012, 12:44:52 AM2/8/12
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On 02/07/2012 11:53 AM, Eric Garner wrote:
> After a long hiatus, I'm pleased to announce that the group parts
> order is returning.
> order goes out on the 13th to digikey and mouser.
> relevant details are here: http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/dorkbotpdx_group_ordering

I fear that this wonderfully important notice was lost in the sea of
blabber today...so I wanted to point it out again:

Eric:
_____ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ __ _____ _ _ _
|_ _| | | | / \ | \ | | |/ / \ \ / / _ \| | | | |
| | | |_| | / _ \ | \| | ' / \ V / | | | | | | |
| | | _ |/ ___ \| |\ | . \ | || |_| | |_| |_|
|_| |_| |_/_/ \_\_| \_|_|\_\ |_| \___/ \___/(_)

http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/dorkbotpdx_group_ordering

You rock for picking this back up -- much appreciated!

-jason

Jim Larson

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Feb 8, 2012, 1:22:22 AM2/8/12
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Well stated, Justin! I was going to make this exact point tomorrow
evening so folks didn't miss.

THANKS, Eric!

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Jim Larson

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Feb 8, 2012, 6:48:56 PM2/8/12
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I mean *Jason*. Who knows what Justin said! (Replying late at night is BAD!)

Eric Garner

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Feb 13, 2012, 1:18:43 PM2/13/12
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just as a reminder the first of the Triumphant Return of the Group
Order goes out tonight.

thus far the people on it are :

Me
Don

If I have missed you. please reply to this mail

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Aaron Eiche

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Feb 13, 2012, 1:19:29 PM2/13/12
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Is there a cut off time?

Eric Garner

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Feb 13, 2012, 1:24:00 PM2/13/12
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8pm

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Joshua Boelter

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Feb 13, 2012, 4:17:45 PM2/13/12
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Is there a preference for Digikey or Mouser -- or are you sending to both?

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Eric Garner <gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Eric Garner

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Feb 13, 2012, 4:58:39 PM2/13/12
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It goes out to both

Jerry Biehler

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Feb 13, 2012, 5:24:49 PM2/13/12
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I have a probe head for my mill for doing things like measurements, offsets, and the like. Its an older unit that is self contained and is triggered by a flash unit. It has 6 IR leds around th exterior that transmits a 159khz signal out when it is on and in standby and that jumps up to 174khz when it is activated.

I managed to get it modified to run off something other than $60 lithium primary cells and I found on old amplified photo diode board that I got out of a lot of stuff on ebay probably 10 years ago that can receive the signals from the leds. It uses a couple opamps and a hamamatsu photodiode to detect it and sends the signal out like so:

On, not triggered:
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/67292116@N00/6867764951/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7188/6867764951_aa3c51c60b_z.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/67292116@N00/6867764951/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/67292116@N00/]macona[/url], on Flickr

On, triggered:
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/67292116@N00/6867764333/][img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6867764333_3d86426acc_z.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/67292116@N00/6867764333/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/67292116@N00/]macona[/url], on Flickr

The amplitude varies on the distance from the sensor head and the detector runs off +/-15v so technically it could get that high.

What I would like is two logic signals to go to the computer. One goes high when the head is on, and one that goes high on activation. I am guessing something like a PLL is what is called for here but I know nothing about analog.

-Jerry

Jared Boone

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Feb 13, 2012, 5:49:30 PM2/13/12
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On Feb 13, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Jerry Biehler wrote:

> What I would like is two logic signals to go to the computer. One goes high when the head is on, and one that goes high on activation. I am guessing something like a PLL is what is called for here but I know nothing about analog.

Just to summarize and make sure I've got things right... You need to detect when one of two signals are present:

- 159 kHz (indicates "on")
- 174 kHz (indicates "activated")

I think a PLL might be overkill, unless you're trying to track the frequency as it moves between the two frequencies.

Two options I'm thinking about:

- You could build two tuned circuits, one for each frequency. They're a bit close together in frequency, so it might not be as reliable as you'd like.

- You could build two oscillators (perhaps PWM outputs from an Arduino) and mix those oscillator frequencies with the input frequency. You'll have two outputs that, if you low-pass filter them (separately), they'll output a strong signal when the input signal is near the frequency of the oscillator. (How near is determined by how wide your low-pass filter is.) Depending on how responsive you need the output signals to be, you could use a single oscillator and switch it between the two frequencies you're trying to detect.

If you're coming to the meeting tonight, I could sketch something for you, and we could work through if it makes sense for your application.

- Jared

Jerry Biehler

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Feb 13, 2012, 6:01:09 PM2/13/12
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Thats it. Ill be there tonight. I have some Planar EL display stuff to show.

-Jerry

Paul Stoffregen

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Feb 13, 2012, 7:57:32 PM2/13/12
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If you're willing to throw a Teensy or Arduino at the problem, you could
use my FreqCount library and a tiny bit of code to output the signals
based on the reading.

http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/td_libs_FreqCount.html

Jerry Biehler

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Feb 13, 2012, 8:01:52 PM2/13/12
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It needs to be pretty fast with minimal latency. How fast do you think the teensy would respond?

-Jerry

Paul Stoffregen

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Feb 13, 2012, 8:11:00 PM2/13/12
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On 02/13/2012 05:01 PM, Jerry Biehler wrote:
> It needs to be pretty fast with minimal latency. How fast do you think the teensy would respond?

FreqCount will give you a new measurement every gate interval. You
configure the gate interval. ;-)

You could set the minimum gate interval, which is 1ms. Then you'll get
either 159 or 174 counts per interval. The code might look like this:

void setup() {
FreqCount.begin(1);
pinMode(2, OUTPUT);
pinMode(3, OUTPUT);
}

void loop() {
if (FreqCount.available()) {
int count = FreqCount.read();
if (count > 155 && count < 164) {
digitalWrite(2, HIGH);
} else {
digitalWrite(2, LOW);
}
if (count > 169 && count < 179) {
digitalWrite(3, HIGH);
} else {
digitalWrite(3, LOW);

Jerry Biehler

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Feb 13, 2012, 8:13:34 PM2/13/12
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Might be worth a try. I have a teensy that is not doing anything now.

-Jerry

Jason Barnett

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Feb 13, 2012, 8:33:00 PM2/13/12
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Eric,
  I have a few items for the group order if there is still time.

20x   10uF Tant Cap                  718-1124-1-ND
10x   74HC595 Shift Register      568-1484-5-ND
10x   TPIC6C596N                     296-9015-5-ND
5x     L293DNE HalfBridge          296-9518-5-ND

Thanks,
 Jason B.

P.S. If this is too late to add to the order, that is fine, I'll just get them on the next one. :)

Eric Garner

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Feb 13, 2012, 9:32:28 PM2/13/12
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Done.


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Russell Senior

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Feb 13, 2012, 10:08:56 PM2/13/12
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>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Garner <gar...@gmail.com> writes:

Digikey:

Quan Part Number Description Unit Price Extended Price
10 568-1059-5-ND IC I/O EXPANDER I2C 8B 16TSSOP 2.29600 $22.96
5 LTC4151CS-2#PBF-ND IC CURRENT MONITOR(12BIT) 16SOIC 5.53000 $27.65
10 989-1099-ND RES METAL .020 OHM 5W 1% RADIAL 1.32200 $13.22


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Brad Burleson

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Feb 13, 2012, 10:30:19 PM2/13/12
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So it's too late for this order, but I'm wondering if anybody else out
there would be interested in ordering some ATmega644PA's?
(specifically http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/ATMEGA644PA-AU/ATMEGA644PA-AU-ND/2214009)

This chip is a 44pin TQFP chip with 4k SRAM and 2 UARTs... This is the
same chip used in the Sanguino (http://sanguino.cc/)

It's also $4.60 in quantity 25, which seems pretty reasonable to
upgrade your ATmega328 project with 2x SRAM and 2x UARTs.

I'm in for 10... is anybody else interested?

Brad.

Donald Delmar Davis

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Feb 14, 2012, 12:18:05 AM2/14/12
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25,
S9177-ND, CONN HEADR 2.54MM 10POS GOLD R/A, 00.58100, $14.53 
10, 114-00841-68-1-ND, CONN MINI MICRO-SD 8PIN PCB GOLD, 01.55800, $15.58
2, ED16064-ND, CONN HEADER 64POS .100 L.210, 08.77000, $17.54
10, 497-6288-ND, MCU ARM 128K FLASH/TIMER, 06.08000, $60.80 5
25, BC847BMTFCT-ND, TRANSISTOR NPN 45V 0.1A SOT23, 00.17400, $4.35 
10, MCP1703T-3302E/CBCT-ND, IC REG LDO 3.3V 250MA SOT-23A0, 0.54000,$5.40
100, 311-47KGRCT-ND, RES 47K OHM 1/10W 5% 0603 SMD0, 0.00600, $0.60 
50, 490-1419-1-ND, CAP CER 47PF 50V 5% NP0 06030, 0.02880, $1.44 
25, 732-1580-1-ND , FERRITE BEAD 180 OHM .5A 06030, 0.06960, $1.74 
100, 311-36KGRCT-ND RES 36K OHM 1/10W 5% 0603 SMD0, 0.00600 $0.60 
2, NUC120LE3AN-ND, IC MCU 32BIT 128KB FLASH 48LQFP0 , 6.69000 $13.38 
3, 497-6444-ND, MCU ARM 512KB FLASH MEM 64-LQFP0 10.05000 $30.15 
3, 497-6066-ND,  MCU ARM 128KB FLASH MEM 64-LQFP0 7.14000 $21.42

Jason Barnett

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Feb 14, 2012, 6:10:51 PM2/14/12
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I would go for 3 of them if we make the 25 quantity price...

Jason B.

Erik Lane

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Feb 14, 2012, 7:47:42 PM2/14/12
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Is there a reason why you're not spending 40 cents more and getting
the 1284 to get double the memory? I don't think there are any other
advantages to it, but I've been wanting to check it out.

Erik

Brad Burleson

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Feb 15, 2012, 12:46:06 AM2/15/12
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On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Erik Lane <erik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a reason why you're not spending 40 cents more and getting
> the 1284 to get double the memory? I don't think there are any other
> advantages to it, but I've been wanting to check it out.

Probably because I'm an idiot? I first checked these prices out a few
months ago and I guess when I looked at the 1284, I mis-read the price
(I could have sworn it was $7+ in quantity 25).

Since they are pin-compatible it's certainly worth a little more.
I'll post again closer to the end of the month and place it in the
group order then (since it looks like I'll pickup most of the 25).

> Erik

Erik Lane

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Feb 15, 2012, 2:13:58 AM2/15/12
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I would definitely be interested, just like I'm interested in the Bus
Pirate, but I don't live there yet. I just joined the mailing list
because I'm looking forward to being involved there. I'm finishing up
a degree at OSU, and then I'll be moving back to the Portland area. So
I can't really make it to any meetings or get active with any of that
stuff for another few months. I'm looking forward to the summer!

Yeah, I probably wouldn't need the extra space for the code in most of
the projects that I want to do, but I just like the idea of having the
extra space "just in case." It's not like the little bump in price
really matters when I'm doing stuff for myself with low quantities -
I'm not making thousands of these... :)

Erik

Greg Peek

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Feb 15, 2012, 4:06:46 AM2/15/12
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Always start with more space than you think you will need. You can
downsize later.

I think that is some sort of programming maxim.

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