My Trip to Dubai
claudi...@gmail.com
monday 17 and in Abu Dhabi in the evening of sunday 16. If some UAE
developer is interested to meet me there drop a line here
Claudio Erba
Ceo Docebo
Omid
This is my criticism about docebo team
I know tomorrow you are in Emirate and you`re busy but I hope
you read this message before your trip .
I know your LCMS/LMS product is free and you don`t obtain any added
value
regard to its free users and supporting your free users make cost for
your staff
and you wouldn`t catch money regard to your Open Source product
support , anyway you know
that your growth is connected to your popularity . But why you are
going out of spot ?
Your product is ready to download on web but there is no support team
related
to your independent product and in business vocabulary it means you
don`t have any
product !
Regarding to your customers (Free (promoter&propagator) or Commercial
(money maker))
how is possible when you don`t have CRM in your company business
plan !?
I hope you designate one person to communicate with Docebo users
daily .
Now you could go to your website forum and hear your future VOC . You
could
make what is commercial user desire without wait for future events
easily only
with respect your free users .
Sincerely
Omid
Thomas Smith
I don't normally post to the group but this post needed a reply from
'someone' who is using the free docebo but understands commercial reality.
I am going to give you an example of how I have implemented Open Source for
commercial purposes. I bought a 99% open source Social Networking script
called Handshakes professional back in Aug 2007. It cost me 400$. Since
then I have customized it with a further investment of 4-5,000$. What I
have now is not a good site for International Trade Professionals, it's a
great site hosted on a dedicated server and ready to expand when demand
requires it. The site is at www.tradeprofessional.net and it links and will
with time integrate with my docebo at www.ebsionline.net.
I believe we should all be extremely grateful for the level of effort and
support that the Claudios and Fabio provide FREE OF CHARGE for a free
product that we gain advantage from. I am a start-up commercial
organization and I am extremely grateful for the existence of a great tool
like Docebo which gives me the infrastructure I need to 'get started' and to
develop a basic business teaching international trade. I am making small
money with it at the moment but Docebo gives me the resources to GROW to a
level when I will be VERY HAPPY to come to them maybe in a year's time with
a COMMERCIAL PROPOSAL to do REAL WORK for REAL MONEY which THEY DESERVE.
The Docebo team believe as I do in that you have to sow seeds before you can
harvest your crops. They have a great seed which just got better with the
latest release of Docebo. I am happy to work within the very broad
boundaries that they have given us FREE OF CHARGE which allows us to develop
our businesses because I know when the moment comes to 'take the next step'
to the next level I will be coming to them to work with me in bringing my
business forward.
I am very happy to write this message, it is unsolicited, it is from the
heart and I very much appreciate the Claudios, Fabio and also Wander Campos
with whom I am working on my current Docebo projects. You are all to be
CONGRATULATED on the level of UNPAID support you provide and I look forward
to working on paid projects in the future 'insha'-'Allah' (as my very good
muslim friends tell me!!
Wishing all Docebo users the greatest success working with an excellent
product! Really its not so unreasonable to expect to PAY a little to get
extra attention from men who have already dedicated so much time to us for
NOTHING. Whats more... THEY DESERVE IT.
Best regards,
Thomas Smith
Operations Director International Trade and Finance Training by
eLearning
Work: +353949381444
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The electronic Business School International
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Kiltimagh, Co Mayo Ireland
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David Piñeros
Hi everyone
I´ve been working with DoceboLms from v 2.0 and I´m the Spanish translator
since v 3.0, also I suggested some changes that were implemented in v. 3.5.
I think open source is a very special way of doing business, reading Thomas and
Omid arguments it´s clear that everyone has a particular interest. May be Omid
wants to sell services around Docebo and Thomas is happy to have a tool to
create it´s business. The beauty of open source is that we can do whatever we
want with the software, it supports any business model.
DoceboLms is also competing in the open source (OS) landscape, and there is a question that the developers need to address, and that is: what will differentiate the project from the other OS projects? Docebo is competing with Moodle, Ilias, and Dokeos and so on.
From v 3.0 DoceboLms started to compete in the CMS (content management system) arena, I suppose the rationale for that was: because DoceboLms had an already robust module to handle users maybe add the CMS was not that difficult. At that time I asked if the focus on the CMS market had sense, not because the software wasn´t capable of creating great websites, but more because they were already more established players in the OS CMS market, like Drupal, Joomla, Mambo or Php-nuke with bigger communities.
Add a CRM is a difficult decision for the same reason, in that market you have SugarCRM and Vtiger to name the most popular ones. How can Docebo challenge these already established players with a LMS?
For Docebo v 3.5 the changes I think were to use the CMS from v3.0 to empower users to collaborate and learn, and make Docebo a social learning tool, were you can take courses but also create your own content as student a share with others and have friends. Also to integrate the KMS (Knowledge management System) in the other systems, to make easier to share files.
Probably you can think of a CRM in Docebo in a way to have all the knowledge and interactions of each student in one place in order to facilitate learning, to automate certifications, communications, build a stronger reporting capacity and to serve each learner better.
Docebo is a learning tool, and in my point of view it should remain as that. Docebo is strong in learning and can build capabilities around that. It is what differentiates from other projects, but adding a CRM that can´t work together with the LMS in order to facilitate learning is not very efficient. Why do you want a new independent CRM if you can dowload for free elsewhere? I t should be a very strong reason to do that.
Anyway I think Docebo SRL sells support with different levels of response, which can be a source of revenue for Omid too.
It just my thoughts
Greetings
David
claudi...@gmail.com
i'm writing for Dubai where i had interesting business meetings.
Thanks for all you contribution, Thomas, Omid and David.
Topics on the table are 2 but i'd like to make an intrduction before
answering.
Docebo is a "strange" kind of open source project, for us Open Source
is a good leverage for make customer free from "by user" or "by
courses" fees like Sumtotal or others are doing and not an "artisan
way" to develop software like other open source LMS.
Great samples of Open source project i like are Sugar Crm and
EZPublish and not the "Phpnuke" - "Joomla" approach.
Also i consider my competitors Sumtotal, Sba, Giunti, Plateau and not
Moodle, Dokeos or others, this because i never find in the market
that is the one i need to approac (banks, finance, big corporation)
moodle, dokeos or other competing with me, thay are focused on small
business or school market, that, in our hopinion, are not profitable.
As you can see this strategy is payng, revenues and product quality
are drastically encreasing and also bug after release are decreasing
this because we hired more developers, more developers means more
testing and less bugs.
Regartding the integration with CRM CMS and others i don't agree with
omid, docebo MUST be focused ONLY in e-learning, specialization and
verticalization allow us to create the best product in the markt, if
we have to share our resources in lot of parallel projects quality
will decrease.
Togheter with Peter Bartsh we agreed to talk with Drupal guys to
interface docebo with this CMS (hope to contact them soon), i'l like
to do the same with some CRM company, with viddeoconference tools we
did it already with DimDim and Telekill, then the "integration
partnership" will have 2 benefits, focus on e-learning fo us and co-
marketing possibilities for both the partners.
Regarding the Support to the community sorry for our dealy but
projects are so much and 3.6 road map is pushing, i'll think about a
solution to give you more support.
Sincrely
Claudio
Omid
Peter
I'm very interested in integrating Docebo with other best of class
solutions like Drupal for CMS and Sugar for a CRM
To get things started on Drupal integration, I've set up a project
page on drupal.org
http://drupal.org/project/Docepal
And to have a place to demo, blog and collaborate I've set up this
site as well
http://docepal.org
(nothing there yet)
I was also in Boston early this month for the Drupalcon and I met with
two Italian Drupal developers who were interesting in helping with the
integration, I've CC'd them on this email.
Suggestions on the best way to move forward are, of course, welcome
Cheers!
Peter Bartsch