DMCToday -- Where the Uncool Kids Hang Out

[Bill Robertson]

Don't worry, if Bill becomes a co-owner he will eventually forget his password and lock himself out anyway.

Speaking of which: why is there no hyperlink to the Gulf Coast DeLoreans site on the DMCToday homepage?

Or DMCSouth, if I ever remember how to log back on?

Bill.


-----Original Message-----
From: "Stephen Rice"
Date: 06/24/2013 12:59 PM
To: dmct...@googlegroups.com
CC: dmct...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [DMCToday] Re: Exploding tire!

Nonsense.  Everyone is welcome at DMCToday.  David Vonk is an co-owner of the group and he doesn't even have a Delorean.  Diversity is important at DMCToday.

 

1. Steve has a Delorean and drives the snot out of it.

2. Farrar has a Delorean but doesn't drive it

3. David Vonk wants a Delorean but not as bad as Chris Burns

 

As of today the group has 28 members including myself and Bill.  Surprisingly things are shaping up nicely and we even have a fancy smancy welcome page at www.dmctoday.com.  The way I see it, as long as Bill never becomes a co-owner, things should be fine.

 

I'm still suspecting the mystery poster to be Farrar.  I'm almost honored that one of the co-owners is a troll.

 

-Steve Rice

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[Stephen Rice]

The home page is still a work in progress.  Don't you think it looks better than what we had a week ago?

 

When I get around to it, I plan to put a PDF copy of the service manual up on the home page as well.  I will have it available for anyone to download and it won't be password protected.  When I get around to it I am also going to put a link to the YouTube videos on the home page as well.

 

DMCSouth sucks.  No one looks at it anymore.  Farrar's webpage is okay, but he still hasn't updated it with pictures from our last cruise in that was over a year ago.  I honestly thought Gulf Coast Deloreans was gone.

 

DMCToday is here to stay.  Although I am the only person working on the home page, I am open to volunteers if anyone wants to help.  I don't want to be the sole owner of the thing, although I don't mind funding the expenses.

 

We have three owners on this group.  No one is greater than the other.  Frankly, Farrar or David could ban me right now, and the list would continue on without me.

 

DMCTalk has gotten too big and there is too much nonsense on their for me to even want to go back.  The tire thread is a prime example.

 

-Steve Rice

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[Bill Robertson]

Good luck getting a volunteer. I begged and pleaded for someone to take over DMCSouth to no avail. Now the only person with administrative privileges can't even remember how to log on. I only renewed the URL because that's the only way my fire department buddy can find his Lionel train videos on YouTube. Best $100 I've ever spent (we've been friends since kindergarten).

Bill.

[C. Robert Krause]

I'd be willing to help moderate.  I do fit the required criteria of owning a running DeLorean and driving it.

On Jun 24, 2013 2:31 PM, "Bill Robertson" <brobe...@carolina.net> wrote:

Good luck getting a volunteer. I begged and pleaded for someone to take over DMCSouth to no avail. Now the only person with administrative privileges can't even remember how to log on. I only renewed the URL because that's the only way my fire department buddy can find his Lionel train videos on YouTube. Best $100 I've ever spent (we've been friends since kindergarten).

Bill.

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[Bill Robertson]

No good -- only uncool kids moderate DMCToday.

Bill.

[C. Robert Krause]

I meant for DMCSouth.  Smiley Face.

On Jun 24, 2013 2:42 PM, "Bill Robertson" <brobe...@carolina.net> wrote:

No good -- only uncool kids moderate DMCToday.

Bill.

[Stephen Rice]

Chad is now a co-owner of DMCToday.  Please don't ban anyone though, even if they have a time machine or own a shop in Ohio.

 

Bill will never be an owner or moderator of this group.  Bill isn't cool enough.

 

-Steve Rice

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[Stephen Rice]

For those that are concerned about moderation, we don't really moderate.  The only thing I do is manually activate new accounts and ensure there isn't any spam.  Having co-owners is very helpful when I travel and don't have access to a computer.  For example, over the weekend we had two new members join the group.  Before I could approve one of them, someone else had already taken care of the job for me.

 

David, Farrar, and now Chad, all have the power to kick me from this forum and take over should they have a sudden ego trip.  Hopefully they won't do any silly moderating and just approve accounts.

 

-Steve Rice

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[Bill Robertson]

Kind of hard to moderate a mass eMail service, isn't it? As soon as you hit the "Post" button, whatever you've written goes out to everyone, to live in their eMail archives forever.

If you guys won't let me moderate, I won't let you play Dungeons & Dragons with me Thursday evening after chess club.

Bill.

[dvonk]

-----Original Message-----

From: "Stephen Rice"
Date: 06/24/2013 12:59 PM
To: dmct...@googlegroups.com
CC: dmct...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [DMCToday] Re: Exploding tire!

Nonsense.  Everyone is welcome at DMCToday.  David Vonk is an co-owner of the group and he doesn't even have a Delorean.  Diversity is important at DMCToday.

 

1. Steve has a Delorean and drives the snot out of it.

2. Farrar has a Delorean but doesn't drive it

3. David Vonk wants a Delorean but not as bad as Chris Burns...

im honored to be considered uncool enough to be a moderator... and i may not be *quite* as obsessed as Chris Burns, but i do have a dedicated savings account for my DeLorean Fund.  haha.

[Sam Hill, Junior Associate]

When do I get to buy my rear window dmctoday sticker?

[Stephen Rice]

Send me a private email and I will order one for you as long as you agree to put it on your car.

 

-Steve Rice

#16510

[C. Robert Krause]

Chris Burns isn't talking to Steve or I; we must not be cool enough.

[Stephen Rice]

Chris finally unblocked me on Facebook.  He immediately sent me a message saying this:

I have nothing against you personally Steve. I enjoyed hanging around you at the tech day. I just don't want to get dragged into the "Carb Bill" mess.

 

My response:  

Carbs are awesome. I'm eating some right now.

Frankly I don't understand the negative effect DMCTalk has on some people.  I had a good time hanging out with Chris yet because of one or two moderators, people jump to conclusions and hold grudges against others.

-Steve Rice

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[C. Robert Krause]

How funny.  I don't see how that's a concern, but I have very thick skin and don't care that I've made a few enemies from DMCTalk for my comments about BTTF and conversions ruining good cars.

It's getting so that you can't have an alternative option in the DeLorean world...

[roth...@suddenlink.net]

Too much drama.

I just collect cars.

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[Bill Robertson]

Coming from the person who used to have "Just say no to carbs" as his DMCTalk signature -- oh, the irony.

I really don't give a damn what Chris thinks -- at least I *HAVE* a DeLorean (that starts and runs, thank you very much).

And another one I ripped all to pieces but haven't put back together yet....

If/when I buy the museum car in Kentucky I will have three DeLoreans, with less overall money invested than most owners put into one single car.

Bill.

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From: "Stephen Rice"

[dmctoday]

Farrar may be uncool, but he stopped driving his DeLorean when the air conditioning quit working.

He is now busy every other weekend turning his DeLorean into a lightly-rusted container of spaghetti, while simultaneously conducting a test to see how long it takes for half a tank of gasoline and ethanol to evaporate into the atmosphere through the fuel pump hole.

[roth...@suddenlink.net]

I never understood why people don't just fix the AC??

It is not too expensive or difficulty.

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Farrar may be uncool, but he stopped driving his DeLorean when the air conditioning quit working.

He is now busy every other weekend turning his DeLorean into a lightly-rusted container of spaghetti, while simultaneously conducting a test to see how long it takes for half a tank of gasoline and ethanol to evaporate into the atmosphere through the fuel pump hole.

[Bill Robertson]

Cheer up -- at least you have back wheels. #2508 is still in hover mode.

Wanna race? We'll see who gets his car back on the road first: #2613 or #2508.

As soon as my garage is finished I will piece #2508 back together well enough to move it inside, then I'm pulling the engine out to do some exhaust work.

Bill.

[Stephen Rice]

I'm tempted to race Farrar and see if I can get AC in my 65 Mustang before he finishes putting AC in his Delorean.

-Steve Rice
#16510

[Bill Robertson]

Farrar has a head start -- he does at least have ductwork in his dashboard. Yours is going to have to sit in the passenger footwell like a window unit.

The sooner you learn to live with the cozy wings, the better you will sleep at night.

Don't feel bad -- none of my trucks has A/C either.

Bill.

[Farrar Hudkins]

Hi, gang, it's me.

Actually, I haven't re-installed the ductwork under the dashboard. The kneepads are out of the car, as is the radio bracket and console.

A long time ago, Steve loaned me his vacuum pump. After replacing the evaporator, I checked for leaks and vacuumed down the system.

I consider the a/c system fixed, even though there's no refrigerant in it. I was unable to fill the system because I couldn't start the engine.

Even as the car sat it was taking on water. I found two holes in the body behind the rear speakers and sealed them. That's when I saw the starting circuit had been hacked into.

It took me a while to dismantle the rest of the interior of the car and repair a previous "repair" to the starting system. Now the engine will crank with the key, but it won't run because the fuel pump is dead. I can't refill the a/c system without the engine running, and I can't keep the engine running without a supply of fuel.

#2613's fuel pumps are killed by fuel. Bill's carrier may work for all his other customers, and I have seen his fuel pump sitting inside a dry carrier in a full tank of gas, but you know what they say -- invent something foolproof and along comes a better fool. I guess I'm the fool, because as tight as I get that clamp, fuel gets inside the carrier. The fuel breaks down some sort of sealant on those fuel pumps and turns it into gritty, sticky goo. The fuel pump dies and I throw it away. This happens whether I drive the car or not: my previous two fuel pumps died while the car was parked.

With the console out of the car, I've decided to remove the body bolts that connect the frame to the body in that area. This gives some play in between the body and the frame if I use my floor jack in the right spot. The technique allowed me to push John Hervey's a/c hoses into their proper channels, and while I have access I intend to switch the routing of my fuel line from passenger side to driver side, and mount a new fuel pump onto the firewall opposite the HVAC box, near the fuel filler neck, using a rivnut and bracket. At that point, I will have to determine a new pickup system, cover the fuel pump hole in the tank, and make and mount a fuel pump splash guard.

The longer my car sits, the more electrical problems crop up. This provides me opportunities to correct factory defects, but also takes time. At this point most of the wiring inside the car is completely unwrapped. Now that I have a heat gun capable of melting solder, I am considering adding a ground bus like Bill and Steve have. I might get to that before Christmas. The whole car's wiring is so skimpy, not to mention old, that I am tempted to replace every wire with a higher gauge and tinned contacts -- I replaced the starter circuit's white/red wires with one size up and you won't believe how powerful that starter motor sounds now, even with my battery slightly depleted. With the proper terminals and wire colors available at British Wiring, I may just make a list of every circuit I find questionable and re-do it with the right wire colors and everything. I'm just flirting with that idea, though.

Most of my DeLorean money for the last year and a half or so was diverted into an engagement ring fund. Platinum and diamonds are expensive. Now that I've covered that expense, I can save more money to repair the car. In addition to the electrical mayhem and broken interior parts, before I put it back on the road it will need brake discs (assuming the system is not seized), and the front suspension also needs work. This will take time, but I hope to have it done by 2014. 2013 wil be a zero-mile year for #2613.

Well, I think that covers everything, but I'm sure there's stuff I've forgotten. Not that anyone's read this far into the e-mail, anyhow, I'm sure.

I can always post updates if anyone's interested. If not, say the word and I'll disappear again.

Farrar

[Stephen Rice]

Congrats on the engagement again.  Had I known you needed a ring I could have given you the occasional ex girlfriend's ring.  She has only worn the thing for a couple of weeks.

For what its worth, I don't have a ground bus but for some reason my car is able to drive half way across the country just fine.  When I get around to it I will make you a video of my fuel pump adapter.  I was having a similar problem with mine leaking, and I was able to piece together a few parts from the hardware store to make a Steve proof, fuel pump adapter.

I'll see if I can make a video of my fuel setup for you but it won't be until Thursday at the soonest.

-Steve Rice
#16510

[dvonk]

hey Farrar!  sounds like your can of worms is now a bucket of worms.

[Bill Robertson]

Didn't you guys once damage your carriers trying to figure out how the pumps came out?

I have some more carriers I can swap out if you want. I'd of course need your old ones back to repair for someone else.

Apparently the brass fittings are not sealing tightly in the aluminum pipe caps anymore. That's where fuel is coming in, not where the carrier sits in the pump boot.

Either that, or your return pipe plugs aren't sealing anymore.

Bill.

[Stephen Rice]

I probably did mess up my canister but its okay.  My adapter makes it super easy to replace fuel pumps should one go out. 

In other news, has anyone noticed how people are suddenly reporting fuel pump failures with K-Jet.   Apparently those fuel pumps need clean power as well. 

For some reason people who have stuck with K-Jet aren't getting bashed for their fuel pump problems. 

I had a really nice conversation with Stephen Wynne a week or so ago where we talked about the carb conversion.  He actually liked the thing and even suggested trying a mechanical fuel pump. 

I've logged probably 7,001.26 miles this year but if I have another failure I will try a mechanical pump. 

Steve Rice
#16510

[Bill Robertson]

You can draw through a non-spinning pump no problem. It poses virtually no resistance whatsoever. If you install a pump elsewhere, just leave the old one in the tank and disconnect its electrical connections.

Houston has figured out how to modify a late model General Motors pump unit to work in DeLoreans. Should solve K-Jetters fuel delivery problems -- in the tank at least....

Bill.

[Farrar Hudkins]

On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:29:35 AM UTC-5, dvonk wrote:

hey Farrar!  sounds like your can of worms is now a bucket of worms.

It's actually a car of worms.

Farrar

[Farrar Hudkins]

On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:47:14 AM UTC-5, Stephen Rice wrote:

I probably did mess up my canister but its okay.  My adapter makes it super easy to replace fuel pumps should one go out.

I'm actually thinking of a setup similar to yours. If I can put a hose barb on the top end of the small pipe in Bill's carrier, I'll be off to a good start. If that works, then I can get to mounting the pump and a splash shield for it.

I have a really bad head cold right now, so I have to come back to the idea when I can think more clearly.

Farrar

[S H]

I continue to run a fuel pump in the back with no problems so far, knock on plastic.  If there's a problem, who the heck wants to dump everything in the trunk, rip open a panel and dip your supple hands in gasoline to get to it?

 

--Sam

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[Bill Robertson]

You also could flip the carrier upside down in the boot. Put a piece of pipe where the pump used to be (now upside down) to hold the pickup screen. Put the elbow barb from the pump where the pickup screen used to be, now at the top. Run hose to wherever you want the pump.

Bill.

[Farrar Hudkins]

On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 11:38:47 AM UTC-5, contactsamhill wrote:

I continue to run a fuel pump in the back with no problems so far, knock on plastic.  If there's a problem, who the heck wants to dump everything in the trunk, rip open a panel and dip your supple hands in gasoline to get to it?

What I've read on old car forums where folks convert their classic Ford/Dodge cars to electric fueling is that you want the fuel pump to be as lose to the tank as possible in order to avoid possibility of vapor-lock. It may, however, be an old wives' tale like so much "conventional wisdom."

The last time I had to change a fuel pump on the side of the road, pulling everything out of the trunk was the least of my concerns. And it didn't take very long. However, not having to get my hands nasty with gasoline will be a definite advantage of relocating the pump elsewhere.

Farrar

[Bill Robertson]

K-Jet pumps are in the tank -- how come K-Jetters keep complaining about hot start "vapor lock?"

I agree with you completely -- it is 100% impossible to vapor lock a tank mounted pump. K-Jetters are full of shit. The pump is pushing 80 PSI into the system. Any vapors in the lines are very quickly going to be pushed out of the way by a torrent of liquid gasoline. Same thing happens when you shut off water to your house for a plumbing repair, then repressurize the system -- air in the lines does not prevent water from pushing it out of the way, and that's only 40-60 PSI.

Bill.

[Farrar Hudkins]

Tangentially related: As I was pulling unused wires from my car the other day, I realized that my Fuse #7 is connected to nothing but the supply. I may remove the RPM relay connector and put an honest-to-goodness fuel pump relay in its place, with Fuse #7 on terminal 30. (I'm talking of a standard 4-terminal relay, of course.) I think I might put my choke heater on the same circuit for simplicity's sake. As long as I am re-wiring the entire car...

Farrar