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DMC5180
Jun 23, 2013, 5:15:52 PM6/23/13
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This is more of question too Steve. Please Share the details of what happened with your tire. Where were you at when that happened? I've never seen a car tire do that before.
Bill Robertson
Jun 23, 2013, 6:20:30 PM6/23/13
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Happens to commercial truck tires every day, albeit typically retreads. Every single mile of every single Interstate in America is littered with gators. I did it with one of my church's schools buses two weeks ago (rear tire fortunately -- lots of noise but no vehicle control issues whatsoever). I also had a front blowout on one of my Lincolns in the late 1990's, though that tire was older than dirt.
Google "Chinese tire recall." Nearly half a million Chinese tires manufactured by Hangzhou Zhongce Tire Company (YKS brand, among others) were recalled in 2007 for tread separation problems. Kumho recalled tires from its Chinese plant fitted to 75,000 Hyundai and Kia automobiles in 2011 for premature rubber deterioration (75,000 x 4 = 300,000). In March and April of 2012 Guizhou Tyre Corp issued back to back recalls for tires manufactured between 2009 and 2011 for tread separation (Achilles brand). Etc. Etc. Etc.
Chinese tires are manufactured to the same quality standards as everything else Made in China, ie: crap.
The wonder isn't that Steve's tire failed -- the wonder is that he managed to drive on the damn thing as long as he did before it failed.
Steel belts are not integral to the rest of the tire. They fit around the polyester core like a metal band on a wooden wagon wheel. The only thing holding the steel belts to the rest of the tire is the outer layer of rubber. If that layer fails, the belts will come flying off. Steel belts can also rust and break. Anything that slices the sidewall compromises the outer rubber layer. Etc. DeLorean owners who claim that tires never fail are idiots. I've got 44 terrified Summer Campers who will testify otherwise. I also live across the street from a 70 MPH highway, and hear a tire explosion about once a week in the summer (summertime is primetime for blowouts). I had a truck tire blow out next to me on I-95 once and sling a gator against my pickup. Etc.
Holier Than Thou DeLorean owners can kiss my butt. I am older than most of them. I have driven more miles than most of them. I am a tire failure veteran myself. I have been commercially trained how maintain vehicle control in the event of a blowout (why do they teach it if it never happens?). DeLorean owners tend to be long on theory but painfully short on experience -- and it shows.
Bill.
Google "Chinese tire recall." Nearly half a million Chinese tires manufactured by Hangzhou Zhongce Tire Company (YKS brand, among others) were recalled in 2007 for tread separation problems. Kumho recalled tires from its Chinese plant fitted to 75,000 Hyundai and Kia automobiles in 2011 for premature rubber deterioration (75,000 x 4 = 300,000). In March and April of 2012 Guizhou Tyre Corp issued back to back recalls for tires manufactured between 2009 and 2011 for tread separation (Achilles brand). Etc. Etc. Etc.
Chinese tires are manufactured to the same quality standards as everything else Made in China, ie: crap.
The wonder isn't that Steve's tire failed -- the wonder is that he managed to drive on the damn thing as long as he did before it failed.
Steel belts are not integral to the rest of the tire. They fit around the polyester core like a metal band on a wooden wagon wheel. The only thing holding the steel belts to the rest of the tire is the outer layer of rubber. If that layer fails, the belts will come flying off. Steel belts can also rust and break. Anything that slices the sidewall compromises the outer rubber layer. Etc. DeLorean owners who claim that tires never fail are idiots. I've got 44 terrified Summer Campers who will testify otherwise. I also live across the street from a 70 MPH highway, and hear a tire explosion about once a week in the summer (summertime is primetime for blowouts). I had a truck tire blow out next to me on I-95 once and sling a gator against my pickup. Etc.
Holier Than Thou DeLorean owners can kiss my butt. I am older than most of them. I have driven more miles than most of them. I am a tire failure veteran myself. I have been commercially trained how maintain vehicle control in the event of a blowout (why do they teach it if it never happens?). DeLorean owners tend to be long on theory but painfully short on experience -- and it shows.
Bill.
Stephen Rice
Jun 23, 2013, 10:01:20 PM6/23/13
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So this is how Steve's weekend went.
1. Steve hopped in his car and started a 555 mile drive from Livingston, LA to Brentwood, TN.
2. Steve's car had a tire failure a few miles before Livingston, AL. Yes, the city I named is correct.
3. Steve replaced his tire with a full size spare.
4. Steve took pictures and posted them on Facebook. Drama started, which was not Steve's intent. He simply wanted to document what happened to prove tire failures occur.
Here are the pictures for those that didn't see the Facebook post:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1001650_10151713053500586_1587153553_n.jpg
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/983573_10151713054795586_1048425965_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1014266_10151713055745586_108213467_n.jpg
Look at the pictures. Isn't it interesting how the tread seems to have separated from the tire? Firestone had an issue with their tires doing this on Ford SUVs about 10 years ago. I think a few people even died from tires doing this. The tire that did this to me was a Primewell tire sold by Firestone. Primewell supposedly isn't made by Firestone. I wonder if they are simply relabeling the garbage that Firestone was selling 10 years ago.
5. Drama also started on DMCTalk saying this wouldn't have happened if the tires weren't 7 years old and if the owner would have checked tire pressure. Someone was even silly enough to say it makes more sense to carry a spare alternator instead of a tire. Steve doesn't need a spare alternator because he uses a lifetime warranty alternator from AutoZone.
I'll quit talking in the third person now. Beautiful women might be reading this.
For the record, my ownership of 16510 will be 4 years this November. About a year after I got the car, I replaced the tires with a set of cheap Primewell tires from Firestone. This means the tires were 3 years old or less. Before my drive, I verified my tire pressure was 28 lbs in the front and 32 in the rear. Factory specifications for air pressure is actually lower than that but I'm not a purist. So did the rear passenger tire explode because I put too much air in it? 32 lbs? Year right.
The incident happened when I was changing lanes from the passing lane to the right lane. As I changed lanes, I noticed a strange sound and at first I thought the white line was making a noise as I passed over it. I've traveled extensively, and believe it or not, some of those markers are setup to make noise when you drive over them. Its purpose is to help wake drivers that might fall asleep behind the wheel.
As I crossed into the right lane I could feel the vehicle's handling change. Suddenly I could tell there was a problem. Before gently applying the brakes, I ensured I had control of the vehicle and slowed from 80 mph down to 40 or so mph before putting the vehicle on the shoulder. There was no way I was going to slam on the brakes and not be certain I could control the car as I put it onto a small shoulder.
As I got out of the vehicle, I looked at the damaged tire and with a smile I said to my companion, "We will be back on the road in a few minutes. I have a full size spare". Yes, Steve did have a date to the dance as well. She didn't get upset and just a few minutes later we were on our way.
One thought that crossed my mind while installing the spare was, "How am I going to transport the huge rear tire/wheel since I have a passenger?" DMCTalk boo boos like to say you can't fit a rear tire in the trunk but my rear wheel fit in the trunk perfectly because it didn't have much tire left on it. I carry a heavy duty knife with me. If the tire hadn't already been completely destroyed, I could have simply finished the job with my knife and placed the wheel in the trunk. So not only did I prove that carrying a full size spare is a good idea, I also proved that a huge rear wheel will fit into the trunk, despite all the folklore that says it will not.
We drove to the nearest gas station to verify tire pressure and to make some phone calls to see if we could purchase tires that day. I did debate on driving the rest of the trip with the spare but I had someone traveling with me and we would have been in a serious bind should there have been any other tire failures. Plus I had a commitment to be at a dance for 8pm. I certainly would not have been able to fulfill my commitment if there were to be another tire failure.
I called Firestone in Tuscaloosa hoping they would have something better than another Primewell tire. All they had was crappy made in China Primewell tires. I called Pepboys and they had a set of Cooper/Futura tires in stock. I made an appointment for noon and stopped in Tuscaloosa on my way to Brentwood, TN. I drove about 50 miles on my full size spare at 70 mph.
Upon arrival at Pepboys I talked to the guys about what happened and explained that I had also been having some vibrations at high speeds. I really wanted some fancy smancy Michelin tires but all they had that would fit was Cooper. We inspected the Primewell tires and found all sorts of lumps in them. They were obviously very poorly made tires.
The guys at Pepboys said they would have me back on the road within an hour. Well, they found a problem with the new tires they were about to install and were honest enough to tell me about it. I think he said the tires weren't properly stored and they looked like two of them had been sitting under a pallet. He said they looked like they had been mashed. Instead of installing those tires and not telling me about it, he sent one of his guys on a 44 mile drive to another Pepboys to pickup a good set of tires for me. While this was going on me and my date took a short walk to Bufallo Wild Wings and had lunch while Pepboys retrieved the tires and finished the job.
For anyone reading this that lives in or near Tuscaloosa, I highly recommend Pepboys on McFarland. Those guys were very professional and went above and beyond when it came to getting us back on the road.
Anyway, back to the story. They gave me a nice little discount for the inconvenience as well. I think I walked out of there paying $480 for a full set of tires including a super duper warranty and lifetime balance. Rotation is included as well but I won't be using that as would be obvious.
So we got back on the road around 3:30pm, arrived at the hotel for 7:15pm, changed clothes real quick and headed to the dance. I dressed as Pee Wee Herman and my pretty date wore a red dress. The plan was to wash the car before arriving at the dance. I couldn't find a self serve car wash so I ended up cleaning it upon arrival with a rag from my trunk and a can of carb cleaner. The hosts at the dance and everyone else was so excited to see the car. They didn't mind one bit that I was cleaning it right before their eyes. People sat in it, took pictures and had the time of their life going Back to the Future.
Our arrival at the dance/prom was at exactly 8pm. We were scheduled to be there for 8pm. Had I relied on AAA to pick me up, that would not have happened.
My date was actually a friend's girlfriend (its an interesting story in itself) so she basically gave me permission to dance with her or whoever else. She actually didn't dance at all, other than one slow dance which I dragged her into. She wasn't feeling too well that night for reasons which I am not at liberty to discuss. I spent the rest of the night dancing with all sorts of beautiful women who digged the car and the Pee Wee costume. I think most of them were married too and for some reason their husbands didn't come by to pound my face in. I really wanted to stay past midnight but I had to be sensitive to my guest so we headed out shortly after the DJ left.
So here is the moral of the story. If you don't want to dance with beautiful women, carry a AAA card. If you want to dance with beautiful women and have the time of your life, carry a full size spare.
-Steve Rice
#16510
P.S. Kelly, if you are reading this, thank you so much. I had a great time and I'm definitely interested in entertaining at your next event or simply hanging out for whatever reason. Welcome to the Delorean community!
1. Steve hopped in his car and started a 555 mile drive from Livingston, LA to Brentwood, TN.
2. Steve's car had a tire failure a few miles before Livingston, AL. Yes, the city I named is correct.
3. Steve replaced his tire with a full size spare.
4. Steve took pictures and posted them on Facebook. Drama started, which was not Steve's intent. He simply wanted to document what happened to prove tire failures occur.
Here are the pictures for those that didn't see the Facebook post:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1001650_10151713053500586_1587153553_n.jpg
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/983573_10151713054795586_1048425965_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1014266_10151713055745586_108213467_n.jpg
Look at the pictures. Isn't it interesting how the tread seems to have separated from the tire? Firestone had an issue with their tires doing this on Ford SUVs about 10 years ago. I think a few people even died from tires doing this. The tire that did this to me was a Primewell tire sold by Firestone. Primewell supposedly isn't made by Firestone. I wonder if they are simply relabeling the garbage that Firestone was selling 10 years ago.
5. Drama also started on DMCTalk saying this wouldn't have happened if the tires weren't 7 years old and if the owner would have checked tire pressure. Someone was even silly enough to say it makes more sense to carry a spare alternator instead of a tire. Steve doesn't need a spare alternator because he uses a lifetime warranty alternator from AutoZone.
I'll quit talking in the third person now. Beautiful women might be reading this.
For the record, my ownership of 16510 will be 4 years this November. About a year after I got the car, I replaced the tires with a set of cheap Primewell tires from Firestone. This means the tires were 3 years old or less. Before my drive, I verified my tire pressure was 28 lbs in the front and 32 in the rear. Factory specifications for air pressure is actually lower than that but I'm not a purist. So did the rear passenger tire explode because I put too much air in it? 32 lbs? Year right.
The incident happened when I was changing lanes from the passing lane to the right lane. As I changed lanes, I noticed a strange sound and at first I thought the white line was making a noise as I passed over it. I've traveled extensively, and believe it or not, some of those markers are setup to make noise when you drive over them. Its purpose is to help wake drivers that might fall asleep behind the wheel.
As I crossed into the right lane I could feel the vehicle's handling change. Suddenly I could tell there was a problem. Before gently applying the brakes, I ensured I had control of the vehicle and slowed from 80 mph down to 40 or so mph before putting the vehicle on the shoulder. There was no way I was going to slam on the brakes and not be certain I could control the car as I put it onto a small shoulder.
As I got out of the vehicle, I looked at the damaged tire and with a smile I said to my companion, "We will be back on the road in a few minutes. I have a full size spare". Yes, Steve did have a date to the dance as well. She didn't get upset and just a few minutes later we were on our way.
One thought that crossed my mind while installing the spare was, "How am I going to transport the huge rear tire/wheel since I have a passenger?" DMCTalk boo boos like to say you can't fit a rear tire in the trunk but my rear wheel fit in the trunk perfectly because it didn't have much tire left on it. I carry a heavy duty knife with me. If the tire hadn't already been completely destroyed, I could have simply finished the job with my knife and placed the wheel in the trunk. So not only did I prove that carrying a full size spare is a good idea, I also proved that a huge rear wheel will fit into the trunk, despite all the folklore that says it will not.
We drove to the nearest gas station to verify tire pressure and to make some phone calls to see if we could purchase tires that day. I did debate on driving the rest of the trip with the spare but I had someone traveling with me and we would have been in a serious bind should there have been any other tire failures. Plus I had a commitment to be at a dance for 8pm. I certainly would not have been able to fulfill my commitment if there were to be another tire failure.
I called Firestone in Tuscaloosa hoping they would have something better than another Primewell tire. All they had was crappy made in China Primewell tires. I called Pepboys and they had a set of Cooper/Futura tires in stock. I made an appointment for noon and stopped in Tuscaloosa on my way to Brentwood, TN. I drove about 50 miles on my full size spare at 70 mph.
Upon arrival at Pepboys I talked to the guys about what happened and explained that I had also been having some vibrations at high speeds. I really wanted some fancy smancy Michelin tires but all they had that would fit was Cooper. We inspected the Primewell tires and found all sorts of lumps in them. They were obviously very poorly made tires.
The guys at Pepboys said they would have me back on the road within an hour. Well, they found a problem with the new tires they were about to install and were honest enough to tell me about it. I think he said the tires weren't properly stored and they looked like two of them had been sitting under a pallet. He said they looked like they had been mashed. Instead of installing those tires and not telling me about it, he sent one of his guys on a 44 mile drive to another Pepboys to pickup a good set of tires for me. While this was going on me and my date took a short walk to Bufallo Wild Wings and had lunch while Pepboys retrieved the tires and finished the job.
For anyone reading this that lives in or near Tuscaloosa, I highly recommend Pepboys on McFarland. Those guys were very professional and went above and beyond when it came to getting us back on the road.
Anyway, back to the story. They gave me a nice little discount for the inconvenience as well. I think I walked out of there paying $480 for a full set of tires including a super duper warranty and lifetime balance. Rotation is included as well but I won't be using that as would be obvious.
So we got back on the road around 3:30pm, arrived at the hotel for 7:15pm, changed clothes real quick and headed to the dance. I dressed as Pee Wee Herman and my pretty date wore a red dress. The plan was to wash the car before arriving at the dance. I couldn't find a self serve car wash so I ended up cleaning it upon arrival with a rag from my trunk and a can of carb cleaner. The hosts at the dance and everyone else was so excited to see the car. They didn't mind one bit that I was cleaning it right before their eyes. People sat in it, took pictures and had the time of their life going Back to the Future.
Our arrival at the dance/prom was at exactly 8pm. We were scheduled to be there for 8pm. Had I relied on AAA to pick me up, that would not have happened.
My date was actually a friend's girlfriend (its an interesting story in itself) so she basically gave me permission to dance with her or whoever else. She actually didn't dance at all, other than one slow dance which I dragged her into. She wasn't feeling too well that night for reasons which I am not at liberty to discuss. I spent the rest of the night dancing with all sorts of beautiful women who digged the car and the Pee Wee costume. I think most of them were married too and for some reason their husbands didn't come by to pound my face in. I really wanted to stay past midnight but I had to be sensitive to my guest so we headed out shortly after the DJ left.
So here is the moral of the story. If you don't want to dance with beautiful women, carry a AAA card. If you want to dance with beautiful women and have the time of your life, carry a full size spare.
-Steve Rice
#16510
P.S. Kelly, if you are reading this, thank you so much. I had a great time and I'm definitely interested in entertaining at your next event or simply hanging out for whatever reason. Welcome to the Delorean community!
DMC5180
Jun 23, 2013, 10:45:21 PM6/23/13
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On Sunday, June 23, 2013 4:15:52 PM UTC-5, DMC5180 wrote:
This is more of question too Steve. Please Share the details of what happened with your tire. Where were you at when that happened? I've never seen a car tire do that before.
Please thank Steve Rise for that informative explanation :-)
Stephen Rice
Jun 23, 2013, 10:54:22 PM6/23/13
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Frankly, I'm still shocked at how sensitive of a topic this is with some people. My tires weren't very old. Tire failures do occur. Its amazing how many more pieces of tire on the side of the road I noticed after yesterday afternoon.
People have two options.
1. Carry a spare tire
2. Wait for a tow truck
It really isn't that complicated. If someone wants to wait for a tow truck thats their business. Some people don't want to work on their cars and if they can be happy wondering if someone will help them then so be it. I for one, canceled my roadside assistance plan when a guy refused to give me a tow home. After he left, I push started my car, drove it home and canceled road side assistance. I now carry virtually every tool necessary for working on my car in the truck. I also carry belts, hoses, oil, coolant, distributor cap/rotor, spark plugs, AC compressor, heater control valve, and who knows what else in there. I'm too lazy to go out there and see my assortment of spare parts but they are there. I'm basically a mini AutoZone on wheels.
-Steve Rice
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People have two options.
1. Carry a spare tire
2. Wait for a tow truck
It really isn't that complicated. If someone wants to wait for a tow truck thats their business. Some people don't want to work on their cars and if they can be happy wondering if someone will help them then so be it. I for one, canceled my roadside assistance plan when a guy refused to give me a tow home. After he left, I push started my car, drove it home and canceled road side assistance. I now carry virtually every tool necessary for working on my car in the truck. I also carry belts, hoses, oil, coolant, distributor cap/rotor, spark plugs, AC compressor, heater control valve, and who knows what else in there. I'm too lazy to go out there and see my assortment of spare parts but they are there. I'm basically a mini AutoZone on wheels.
-Steve Rice
#16510
Bill Robertson
Jun 23, 2013, 10:56:37 PM6/23/13
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Underinflated tires are more likely to blow out than overinflated tires.
See my comments about tire construction. Steel belts are in their own little world: http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/tire-cutaway-big.jpg If the steel belts fail, or if the outer rubber shell fails, the tread is coming off -- period.
I don't know why some owners can't get their minds around tread failures. Do they not dodge gators in the road? Trucks are slinging them all the time.
Bill.
See my comments about tire construction. Steel belts are in their own little world: http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/tire-cutaway-big.jpg If the steel belts fail, or if the outer rubber shell fails, the tread is coming off -- period.
I don't know why some owners can't get their minds around tread failures. Do they not dodge gators in the road? Trucks are slinging them all the time.
Bill.
Stephen Rice
Jun 23, 2013, 10:59:11 PM6/23/13
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Most Delorean owners don't drive their Deloreans. Shoot, most people never even travel. I guess if you never leave home then you don't have to worry about stuff like this.
-Steve Rice
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-Steve Rice
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Bill Robertson
Jun 23, 2013, 11:00:46 PM6/23/13
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Increasingly prevalent Made in China tires will make believers out of them.
Bill.
Bill.
Stephen Rice
Jun 23, 2013, 11:03:02 PM6/23/13
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What was interesting is the guy at Pepboys mentioned that Cooper is one of the few companies that is still making tires in the USA. I think made in the USA is going to be my first requirement for tire purchases from now on.
-Steve Rice
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-Steve Rice
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On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Bill Robertson <brobe...@carolina.net> wrote:
Increasingly prevalent Made in China tires will make believers out of them.
Bill.
Bill Robertson
Jun 23, 2013, 11:43:40 PM6/23/13
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Funny and ironic: DeLorean purists love to poo poo Cooper Cobras. I've been very satisfied with the set I purchased two years ago.
Bill.
Bill.
dmctoday
Jun 24, 2013, 10:42:18 AM6/24/13
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Pep Boys will install your Made In USA Cooper tires with the weights on the inside, keeping your car pretty, and then they will torque your lug nuts with an actual honest-to-goodness torque wrench, instead of an impact wrench like the shop monkeys at most other places. Consequently, you don't have to be Lou Ferigno to get your wheels off.
Stephen Rice
Jun 24, 2013, 10:44:32 AM6/24/13
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Steve just remembered something that happened to one of his co-workers about five years ago.
One of the guys at work was traveling to Florida and was pulling his camper. The camper had a blow out so he jacked the thing up and took the wheel off. He then drove to Walmart with the wheel and got the tire replaced. He left the camper sitting on the side of the interstate.
When he returned to reinstall the wheel, the camper was no longer there. Lets just say his day would have been a lot more pleasant if he would have had a full size spare.
-Steve Rice
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Stephen Rice
Jun 24, 2013, 10:56:09 AM6/24/13
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Who in the world is this person who keeps posting as DMCToday? Currently Farrar and David Vonk are the two other owners of the group. Is it one of you guys or am I loosing my mind and making posts I am not even aware of?
-Steve Rice
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On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 9:42 AM, dmctoday <dmct...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Pep Boys will install your Made In USA Cooper tires with the weights on the inside, keeping your car pretty, and then they will torque your lug nuts with an actual honest-to-goodness torque wrench, instead of an impact wrench like the shop monkeys at most other places. Consequently, you don't have to be Lou Ferigno to get your wheels off.
dmctoday
Jun 24, 2013, 11:08:13 AM6/24/13
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It's a mystery.
Stephen Rice
Jun 24, 2013, 11:16:53 AM6/24/13
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It must be Farrar. Welcome back to DMCToday.
-Steve Rice
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Stephen Rice
Jun 24, 2013, 12:09:31 PM6/24/13
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Steve Rice is an idiot. He was so happy with his tire purchase that he decided to call the tire store and brag to the manager about how great of a job the guys did on Saturday.
First Steve called Firestone in Tuscaloosa. Steve asked for the manager and told him how great of a job the guys did on his Delorean this past Saturday. The manager seemed a little surprised to hear about his guys working on a Delorean and thanked me for the kind words.
I hung up the phone and realized it was Pepboys and not Firestone that sold me tires this past Saturday. I then called the correct tire store, verified with the manager that I was calling the correct place, and thanked him for the excellent service that his crew gave me.
I didn't bother to call Firestone back. I'm sure the guys at Firestone think they just had a prank phone call. Oh well. Steve Rice is an idiot.
-Steve Rice
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Bill Robertson
Jun 24, 2013, 12:42:28 PM6/24/13
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If there is a "No Idiots" clause in the DMCTalk user agreement, that is probably the reason you were permabanned.
Bill.
Bill.
dmctoday
Jun 24, 2013, 2:21:03 PM6/24/13
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Farrar has not driven his DeLorean in two years and is a member of DMCTalk. He is not allowed to participate in DMCToday.
roth...@suddenlink.net
Jun 24, 2013, 2:26:30 PM6/24/13
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Not drive it in 2 years?? Why would anyone do that?
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Stephen Rice
Jun 24, 2013, 2:58:03 PM6/24/13
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Nonsense. Everyone is welcome at DMCToday. David Vonk is an co-owner of the group and he doesn't even have a Delorean. Diversity is important at DMCToday.
1. Steve has a Delorean and drives the snot out of it.
2. Farrar has a Delorean but doesn't drive it
3. David Vonk wants a Delorean but not as bad as Chris Burns
As of today the group has 28 members including myself and Bill. Surprisingly things are shaping up nicely and we even have a fancy smancy welcome page at www.dmctoday.com. The way I see it, as long as Bill never becomes a co-owner, things should be fine.
I'm still suspecting the mystery poster to be Farrar. I'm almost honored that one of the co-owners is a troll.
-Steve Rice
#16510
Bill Robertson
Jun 24, 2013, 3:04:49 PM6/24/13
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Air conditioning (or lack thereof).
Despite what pontificators and prevaricators tell you, do not go wrenching on 30 year old A/C components unless absolutely necessary -- especially the evaporator and condensor. Risk of damaging their thin wall aluminum is too great. Replacing the condensor if you do damage it isn't too bad, but replacing the evaporator is a royal pain. Can I get an "Amen," Farrar? Like most cars, DeLoreans were built around their evaporators. That was the first piece placed on the Tellus carrier, then the rest of the car was assembled around it. Replacement is reverse of procedure, ie; tear the entire car apart.
Replacing the compressor isn't a problem because the hoses are simply pressed against the back.
David Teitelbaum's brain explodes if a car loses any refrigerant, but his argument is purely theoretical. A car isn't supposed to leak freon, so if it does the entire system needs to be replaced to prevent that from happening. Spoken like a man who doesn't do his own work. In the real world we would rather buy a $5-$8 can of freon now & again than tear the entire car apart.
Old cars are leaky and drooly. They're like old people. Live with it.
Bill.
Despite what pontificators and prevaricators tell you, do not go wrenching on 30 year old A/C components unless absolutely necessary -- especially the evaporator and condensor. Risk of damaging their thin wall aluminum is too great. Replacing the condensor if you do damage it isn't too bad, but replacing the evaporator is a royal pain. Can I get an "Amen," Farrar? Like most cars, DeLoreans were built around their evaporators. That was the first piece placed on the Tellus carrier, then the rest of the car was assembled around it. Replacement is reverse of procedure, ie; tear the entire car apart.
Replacing the compressor isn't a problem because the hoses are simply pressed against the back.
David Teitelbaum's brain explodes if a car loses any refrigerant, but his argument is purely theoretical. A car isn't supposed to leak freon, so if it does the entire system needs to be replaced to prevent that from happening. Spoken like a man who doesn't do his own work. In the real world we would rather buy a $5-$8 can of freon now & again than tear the entire car apart.
Old cars are leaky and drooly. They're like old people. Live with it.
Bill.
dvonk
Jun 24, 2013, 4:12:08 PM6/24/13
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On Monday, June 24, 2013 9:56:09 AM UTC-5, Stephen Rice wrote:
Who in the world is this person who keeps posting as DMCToday? Currently Farrar and David Vonk are the two other owners of the group. Is it one of you guys or am I loosing my mind and making posts I am not even aware of?-Steve Rice#16510
i always thought it was your second account... or a 'test' account.
Stephen Rice
Jun 24, 2013, 4:18:17 PM6/24/13
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Nope. I post as myself on here. If David isn't playing a joke then Farrar must be using it to post anonymously. Farrar was upset at Bill a few weeks ago so maybe he is using the DMCToday account to go stealth.
Honestly, I don't even know how to post as DMCToday. I just approve accounts. The only moderation I will ever do is to disable an account that might start sending out spam or viruses.
-Steve Rice
#16510
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:12 PM, dvonk <djv...@googlemail.com> wrote:
i always thought it was your second account... or a 'test' account.
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Stephen Rice
Jun 25, 2013, 8:58:57 AM6/25/13
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I just did a Google search for Primewell Tread Separation and came across this:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showpost.php?s=73cfaf7235b497fef37c2e5cfe01935c&p=257760&postcount=1
So evidently I am not the only person to have problems with this tire.
-Steve Rice
#16510
http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showpost.php?s=73cfaf7235b497fef37c2e5cfe01935c&p=257760&postcount=1
So evidently I am not the only person to have problems with this tire.
-Steve Rice
#16510
Bill Robertson
Jun 25, 2013, 9:32:06 AM6/25/13
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Um, 60-65 PSI in a 1996 Accord? Quick Google search shows most drivers of 1990's Accords running in the low to mid 30's. Apparently he exceed even the tires' max pressure rating: "I think I(or you) should think twice about inflating past max sidewall on LOW quality tires." Actually, you should think twice about inflating past max sidewall pressure on any tire. I do run 75-80 PSI in my service truck, but those are 100 PSI load range E's.
Bill.
Bill.
Stephen Rice
Jun 25, 2013, 9:35:00 AM6/25/13
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Wow. I can't believe I skipped over that part.
Steve Rice
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On Jun 25, 2013 8:32 AM, "Bill Robertson" <brobe...@carolina.net> wrote:
Um, 60-65 PSI in a 1996 Accord? Quick Google search shows most drivers of 1990's Accords running in the low to mid 30's. Apparently he exceed even the tires' max pressure rating: "I think I(or you) should think twice about inflating past max sidewall on LOW quality tires." Actually, you should think twice about inflating past max sidewall pressure on any tire. I do run 75-80 PSI in my service truck, but those are 100 PSI load range E's.
Bill.
Sam Hill, Junior Associate
Jun 25, 2013, 9:35:48 AM6/25/13
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On Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:15:52 PM UTC-4, DMC5180 wrote:
This is more of question too Steve. Please Share the details of what happened with your tire. Where were you at when that happened? I've never seen a car tire do that before.
I pump up tires until they "look about right" and never seem to have an issue.
Bill Robertson
Jun 25, 2013, 10:24:09 AM6/25/13
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Could somebody please forward this to David Teitelbaum (pre July 4 fireworks).
-----Original Message-----
From: "Sam Hill, Junior Associate"
Date: 06/25/2013 07:37 AM
To: dmct...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [DMCToday] Re: Exploding tire!
-----Original Message-----
From: "Sam Hill, Junior Associate"
Date: 06/25/2013 07:37 AM
To: dmct...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [DMCToday] Re: Exploding tire!
Stephen Rice
Jun 25, 2013, 10:54:30 AM6/25/13
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Better yet, I went ahead and manually added him to the group. Frankly I'm surprised he hasn't already joined DMCToday so he can educate me about tires. I've already learned my lesson. Don't by tires that are made in China. My Cooper tires are made in the USA and are awesome.
If it wasn't for my lack of power brakes, I would be driving the car right now. But because my tires are so awesome, I've decided to take the car out of service until the brake booster is back in operation. I don't want to get excited, drive to fast, and not be able to stop.
-Steve Rice
#16510
Bill Robertson
Jun 25, 2013, 11:52:29 AM6/25/13
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You know David Teitelbaum's eMail address? Even I don't know that.
Did you ever pull a vacuum on your brake booster with a hand vacuum pump?
Bill.
Did you ever pull a vacuum on your brake booster with a hand vacuum pump?
Bill.
Stephen Rice
Jun 25, 2013, 5:55:23 PM6/25/13
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I simply looked it up on the DML. If Dave wasn't watching us before, he certainly is doing it now.
I still haven't gotten around to purchasing a vacuum pump. What I do know is I heard zero hisses on my drive to/from Brentwood, TN after disconnecting and plugging the vacuum line to the booster. My water pump is leaking again as well. I'm just going to box up the booster and the water pump and send them off to Hervey with a note. Both of them are under warranty.
Hopefully Hervey can get replacement parts back to me quickly. I really want to make the drive over to Brentwood again, and soon.
-Steve Rice
#16510
C. Robert Krause
Jun 25, 2013, 6:01:53 PM6/25/13
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Tennessee is a beautiful drive in a DeLorean; I've driven through it a few times and the curves combine with the view for an exceptional motoring experience.
Stephen Rice
Jun 25, 2013, 6:04:03 PM6/25/13
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Its even better when you have a new set of tires that aren't made in China.
Steve Rice
#16510
Bill Robertson
Jun 25, 2013, 6:32:57 PM6/25/13
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That's a novel approach -- forced conscription.
I will get that pulley from the junkyard and make you an alternator adjusting bracket ASAP. Armed with them there is no reason you can't run the exact same belt setup I do.
Bill.
----Original Message-----
From: "Stephen Rice"
Date: 06/25/2013 03:56 PM
To: dmct...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [DMCToday] Re: Exploding tire!
I will get that pulley from the junkyard and make you an alternator adjusting bracket ASAP. Armed with them there is no reason you can't run the exact same belt setup I do.
Bill.
----Original Message-----
From: "Stephen Rice"
Date: 06/25/2013 03:56 PM
To: dmct...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [DMCToday] Re: Exploding tire!
dvonk
Jun 26, 2013, 3:23:57 AM6/26/13
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On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:01:53 PM UTC-5, lordvadus wrote:
Tennessee is a beautiful drive in a DeLorean; I've driven through it a few times and the curves combine with the view for an exceptional motoring experience.
i bet it is... i learned to drive in the mountains of TN, definitely a stark contrast to the Jeffersonian grid we have here in Omaha.
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