NiFe akkumulator med 30-90 års levetid; op til 90 Celsius

Glenn

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Jul 20, 2014, 2:23:05 PM7/20/14

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(Svar til dk.teknik.energi )

Fandt omtale af en NiFe akkumulator med 30-90 �rs levetid. Fx til UPS,
solenergi og vindenergi. Hvem kan finde ud af hvad den koster og hvor
den k�bes:

Oct 15, 2013, NiFe Batteries Said to Outperform VRLAs:
http://powerelectronics.com/batteries/nife-batteries-said-outperform-vrlas
Citat: "...
When energy available over the entire cycle life of a battery is
considered, the Atlas 160 product cost is one-tenth that of a lead acid
battery with similar name plate capacity.
..."
http://www.encell.com/
http://www.encell.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&Itemid=111
http://www.encell.com/uploads/ProductDatasheet%20-%20Alternative%20and%20Renewable%20Energy%20Storage%20Solutions.pdf
Citat: "...
Battery Cycle Life 11,000 cycles
Battery Life on Float 30yrs.
Battery Storage Life 85yrs
...
Discharge Temperature (�C): -10* to +90
Charge Temperature (�C): -20 to +90
Storage Temperature (�C): -40 to +60
...
DI Water Top Up Frequency 3 mos. Typical [<-akkumulatoren er t�rstig
hver 3. m�ned?]
..."

Lavet af Nikkel og Jern, hvilket der masser af p� Jorden.

Glenn

Glenn

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Jul 20, 2014, 2:34:24 PM7/20/14

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On 20/07/14 20.23, Glenn wrote:
> (Svar til dk.teknik.energi )
>
> Fandt omtale af en NiFe akkumulator med 30-90 �rs levetid. Fx til UPS,
> solenergi og vindenergi. Hvem kan finde ud af hvad den koster og hvor
> den k�bes:
>
>
> Oct 15, 2013, NiFe Batteries Said to Outperform VRLAs:
> http://powerelectronics.com/batteries/nife-batteries-said-outperform-vrlas
> Citat: "...
> When energy available over the entire cycle life of a battery is
> considered, the Atlas 160 product cost is one-tenth that of a lead acid
> battery with similar name plate capacity.

> ...."

> http://www.encell.com/
> http://www.encell.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&Itemid=111
>
> http://www.encell.com/uploads/ProductDatasheet%20-%20Alternative%20and%20Renewable%20Energy%20Storage%20Solutions.pdf
>
> Citat: "...
> Battery Cycle Life 11,000 cycles
> Battery Life on Float 30yrs.
> Battery Storage Life 85yrs

> ....

> Discharge Temperature (�C): -10* to +90
> Charge Temperature (�C): -20 to +90
> Storage Temperature (�C): -40 to +60

> ....

> DI Water Top Up Frequency 3 mos. Typical [<-akkumulatoren er t�rstig
> hver 3. m�ned?]

> ...."

>
> Lavet af Nikkel og Jern, hvilket der masser af p� Jorden.
>
> Glenn

Fra:
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikkel-jern-akkumulator

Web archive backup: Edison Battery Booklet:
http://web.archive.org/web/20041012143321/home.cybertron.com/~edurand/Otherstuff/otherstuff.html
Citat: "...
original instruction book for the batteries
...
In the late 1960's, a friend was cleaning out his Dad's garage and found
some Edison batteries. Of course, since he had no use for them and was
going to throw them out, I took them. Along with the batteries, his Dad
gave me the original instruction book for the batteries.
They were removed from a junked electric service truck sometime around
1920 - who knows when they were made. The guy's Dad used them as the
filament supply ("A" battery) for a battery radio. In the early 1930's,
he got one of those newfangled "plug-in" radios and retired the Edison
batteries to his unheated garage (Louisville, KY) where they sat for
over 30 years discharged.
The first thing I did when I got them was to hose them off and top-off
the water in the cells. I then put them on charge, figuring they were
shot. Not so! They took a charge and, after discharging and charging
them a few times, they worked just fine.
..."

fieldlines.com: NIFE Batteries:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080316095920/http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2006/12/2/193850/329
Citat: "...It has to be protected from carbon dioxide, not oxygen.
Oxygen is generated in the cell as part of the normal process of
charging, when the endpoint is reached..."

globalspec.com: About Rechargeable (Secondary) Batteries:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100316012448/http://electronic-components.globalspec.com/LearnMore/Electrical_Electronic_Components/Batteries/Rechargeable_Secondary_Batteries
Citat: "...
They are nearly indestructible, have a long life, and can withstand
electrical abuse (overcharge, overdischarge, short-circuiting, etc.)
..."

Glenn

Glenn

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Jul 20, 2014, 2:41:41 PM7/20/14

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On 20/07/14 20.23, Glenn wrote:

> (Svar til dk.teknik.energi )
>
> Fandt omtale af en NiFe akkumulator med 30-90 �rs levetid. Fx til UPS,
> solenergi og vindenergi. Hvem kan finde ud af hvad den koster og hvor
> den k�bes:
>
>
> Oct 15, 2013, NiFe Batteries Said to Outperform VRLAs:
> http://powerelectronics.com/batteries/nife-batteries-said-outperform-vrlas
> Citat: "...
> When energy available over the entire cycle life of a battery is
> considered, the Atlas 160 product cost is one-tenth that of a lead acid
> battery with similar name plate capacity.

> ...."

> http://www.encell.com/
> http://www.encell.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&Itemid=111
>
> http://www.encell.com/uploads/ProductDatasheet%20-%20Alternative%20and%20Renewable%20Energy%20Storage%20Solutions.pdf
>
> Citat: "...
> Battery Cycle Life 11,000 cycles
> Battery Life on Float 30yrs.
> Battery Storage Life 85yrs

> ....

> Discharge Temperature (�C): -10* to +90
> Charge Temperature (�C): -20 to +90
> Storage Temperature (�C): -40 to +60

> ....

> DI Water Top Up Frequency 3 mos. Typical [<-akkumulatoren er t�rstig
> hver 3. m�ned?]

> ...."

>
> Lavet af Nikkel og Jern, hvilket der masser af p� Jorden.
>
> Glenn

Med den levetid skal man 40 �r eller yngre, eller f�r man ikke fuld
valuta for investeringen.

M�ske kunne man give en akkumulatorbank, solceller og stor vindm�lle i
konfirmationsgave?

Glenn

Glenn

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Jul 20, 2014, 3:14:51 PM7/20/14

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Supplerende information og US priser:

Iron Edison USA Series Nickel Iron (NiFe) Battery:
http://ironedison.com/iron-edison-usa-series-nickel-iron-nife-battery
Citat: "...
This battery is rated for 10,000+ cycles at 80% Depth of discharge.
...
Optional integrated watering system ï¿½ makes maintenance fast and easy
..."
http://ironedison.com/images/products/Iron%20Edison/USA/Accelerated%20Cycle%20Life%20Testing.pdf
Citat: "...
Have Conducted Extensive Abuse and Accelerated Life Testing for 2 Years
...
Encell Proprietary and Company Confidential
..."
http://ironedison.com/images/products/Iron%20Edison/USA/Iron%20Edison%20USA%20-%20Discharge%20Rates.jpg

Glenn

Glenn

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Jul 20, 2014, 3:49:18 PM7/20/14

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De +90°C er vist en oversætterfejl?

-

http://ironedison.com/nickel-iron-ni-fe-battery
Citat: "...
The electrolyte used in the NiFe battery is a combined solution of
potassium hydroxide and lithium hydroxide
...
Fabrication
The only 2 places in the world that make new batteries are China and Russia.
..."

NiFe producenter:
http://nickelcells.com/hersteller.html

ironedison.com køber formentlig fra Changhong?:
http://nickelcells.com/pdf/manuf/TN_nickel-iron-changhong-specs.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20130805022454/http://www.nickelcells.com/pdf/manuf/TN_nickel-iron-changhong-specs.pdf

http://www.nickelcells.com/pdf/manuf/Operation%20Manual%20of%20CHANGHONG%20Ni-Fe%20cell.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20130804234703/http://www.nickelcells.com/pdf/manuf/Operation%20Manual%20of%20CHANGHONG%20Ni-Fe%20cell.pdf
Citat: "...
The electrolyte will absorb the carbon dioxide in the air and create
carbonate easily during operation. When carbonate in the electrolyte is
over 50g/L, the performance of the battery will be badly effected. After
charge and discharge for 150~200 cycles or operate for 1 year, please
check the carbonate in the electrolyte. If the carbonate in the
electrolyte is over 50g/L, please replace the electrolyte.
..."

Glenn

Ulrik Smed

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Jul 20, 2014, 4:22:25 PM7/20/14

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"Glenn" <glen...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:53cc0909$0$294$1472...@news.sunsite.dk...

Wow, s�dan nogle vil jeg gerne ha' til at gemme solstr�m p�. :-)
Jeg har f�et et par 700W UPS'er med d�de batterier. De kunne godt bruges som
invertere med et par af de batterier d�r i serie.

--
Ulrik Smed
Aarhus

Glenn

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Jul 20, 2014, 4:28:38 PM7/20/14

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De kan k�bes i Tyskland:

1.2V/600Ah Nickel-Eisen-Batterie:
http://shop-microtherm.com/en/batteries.html
http://shop-microtherm.com/pdf/batteries/NiFe_en.pdf
http://shop-microtherm.com/pdf/batteries/Eigenschaften_Nickel-Eisen-Batterie.pdf

March 27, 2013, Benchside chat: Can capacitor banks replace batteries in
off-grid systems?:
http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/outside-the-box-/4410820/Benchside-chat--Can-capacitor-banks-replace-batteries-in-off-grid-systems-
Citat: "...
The Changhong company in China makes and supplies them in various sizes.
The 250 A�h size is the same as is commonly used in vehicles, and can be
moved around easily by engineering couch potatoes without expending much
exercise as an undesirable side-effect. NiFe batteries cost somewhat
more than lead-acid batteries (20 to 50 %) but they last a human
lifetime or longer. The specs given are conservatively rated for 40 years.
..."

Glenn