Trouble getting posted

[Gary Roach]

I have tried to post a couple of things in the last few days with no
results. My posts are never returned to me. So this is another test.

Gary R

[jorr...@gmail.com]

Did you subscribe to the topics you posted?

[Gary Roach]

On 04/09/2016 02:37 PM, jorr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Did you subscribe to the topics you posted?
>

Have been for months. This is a new problem but seems to not be a
problem with this site. The trouble seems to be unique to the Debian
User site. Thanks for your reply.

Gary R.

[James Schneider]

>
> I have tried to post a couple of things in the last few days with no results. My posts are  never returned to me. So this is another test.
>

Google Groups does not send the post back to the OP, which is annoying, confusing and non-intuitive, and not configurable AFAIK.

-James

[Gary Roach]

Actually James, I don't think that is true. I run a group for a project and have no trouble getting returns on my posts. This is a feature that can be turned on/off a I recall. I have no trouble getting my posts returned with this site but only with my debian-user site. I think the trouble is with that site and have informed them as such. I hope I have not misunderstood your statement, but Google Groups does return the original post. The original post essentially sets up a new topic to which others can append comments. For my own group, I found that setting up categories and forcing the participants to post by logging into the group works best. But that is a special case and would be a mess for a large users  group.

Gary R.

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[James Schneider]

Actually James, I don't think that is true. I run a group for a project and have no trouble getting returns on my posts. This is a feature that can be turned on/off a I recall. I have no trouble getting my posts returned with this site but only with my debian-user site. I think the trouble is with that site and have informed them as such. I hope I have not misunderstood your statement, but Google Groups does return the original post. The original post essentially sets up a new

Weeeellll...it may "appear" that way if you are using the web or mobile GMail email client (which I assume most people on this list do). GMail/Google does some funny business with Google Groups integration to make everything seem integrated and would have you believe that you are in fact receiving a copy of the message (does it really matter if your response just 'appears' in the right spot, though?). After a quick Google to confirm my own sanity, it appears that the GMail clients will automatically thread messages with the same Message-ID, even if they live in different folders (and in this instance, it would be my Primary inbox, and my Sent Items).

However, this account is also tied to an MS Outlook instance, and unless MS is doing something funny with my replies to this group, I have no copies of this response in my Inbox. I'm not claiming to be an Outlook wizard, but I don't believe I have any rules set up for this account, so I doubt Outlook is to blame.

You can also Google around to see others echoing concerns about the same "odd" behavior that Google Groups uses. Personally I think it is a passive attempt by Google to encourage you to use GMail, and also cuts down (marginally) the amount of email they send out. It's certainly one of the reasons I keep using the web interface and mobile app over my MS Outlook client.

It may be configurable (perhaps only by the list admin), but I seem to remember researching this same issue when I first posted to django-users, and was confused when I didn't see my response come back (GMail's integration was not as good at the time IIRC). I think I double-posted for that exact reason. 

 

Perhaps someone else can confirm the behavior I'm describing, or echo that I'm crazy. I'm good either way.

topic to which others can append comments. For my own group, I found that setting up categories and forcing the participants to post by logging into the group works best. But that is a special case and would be a mess for a large users  group.

Not sure why logging in to a group interface would have any effect on mail routing. I suppose it would be 'easier' to tie together threads that are posted directly to a forum/thread form than trying to correlate a random email address with the same subject line. Pure guess.

 

On a side note, you also mentioned an issue specifically with the Debian Users list, which this list is not. Other than maybe a "me too" response, I'm not exactly sure what the intention of the message to this list was about. I'm sure many of us are on that list as well, though.

-James

[Gary Roach]

James

My original post was a test to see whether I had a global problem which I didn't. The rest is just a  discussion that ensued. ie Off topic by accident.

One last comment. I use a Debian Linux system with Mozilla's firebird email client. No insults intended but I stay as far away from Microsoft as I can.

Yours very opinionated

Gary R

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[James Schneider]

My original post was a test to see whether I had a global problem which I didn't. The rest is just a  discussion that ensued. ie Off topic by accident.

Meh, it happens.

 

One last comment. I use a Debian Linux system with Mozilla's firebird email client. No insults intended but I stay as far away from Microsoft as I can.

Totally get it, but its a necessary evil in my daily duties.

To clarify, I said I used it. I didn't say I liked it. MS is all cordoned off in its own VM at work. Everything else I personally run is either Debian (servers) or Xubuntu (desktop/laptop). My laptop dual-boots Xubuntu/Win7, is the only Windows machine in my house, and I'm pretty sure I'm about 6 months behind on my Win7 patches because it hasn't been booted in that long. 

But hey, maybe I'll finally get around to upgrading to Win10 and installing Ubuntu/Bash, and then I'll never need a native Linux installation again, right? ;-)

-James