Djangopeople.net status

[Bruno Renié]

Hi fellow Django devs,

I'd like to talk about a site that all of you probably know: djangopeople.net.

The site has originally been developed by Simon Willison and Natalie
Downe and is a very useful part of the different sites connecting the
Django community. Recently, however, Simon and Natalie became too busy
to handle the maintenance work and, with the site going down every now
and then, people started to worry about its future. I read at some
point that Simon had more or less agreed to let other people run the
site, but there wasn't any volunteer I was aware of.

Given that the source code is on github, we started with Dan Fairs and
Filip Jukić to work on the codebase: updating to Django 1.3 and the
practices and conventions that have emerged since 2009. This is still
a work in progress but the result can be seen on the github repo:
https://github.com/brutasse/djangopeople.net.

At this year's EuroPython, we talked about this with Jannis, Andrew
and Simon. The result of the chat was that Simon is willing to let the
DSF run djangopeople.net as part of its infrastructure and the DSF now
has a database dump of djangopeople.net. The idea is now to make this
a more open project: with Dan and Filip, we haven't very much
advertised our work since we were not sure where we were going. Now
we'd like to help the DSF run the site and make it evolve with a very
high bus factor.

To that end, we'd love to hear from anyone willing to help us with the
site, from writing code to suggesting new features and improvements.
Maybe it could be interesting to team with the djangopeople.me crew as
well :)

Assuming the DSF lets us handle djangopeople.net, the next steps would
be to get the data and load it on a django-frienly host (I have an
ep.io app running the updated codebase). The purpose of this email is
to make more official the fact that there's a group of people working
on it, and that more group members are welcome :).

Regards,
Bruno

[Russell Keith-Magee]

For the record -- if *anyone* has an idea for how to make the Django
community a better place, and is willing to put the time and effort
into making those ideas happen, the DSF will do anything it can to
help support them.

I'm really excited that Bruno, Dan and Filip et al have stepped up to
look after and improve Django People. I can't wait to see what nifty
new features you can come up with. Best of luck, and if you (or anyone
else) need anything that the DSF can help provide, don't hesitate to
ask.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

[Yonsy Manuel Solis Ponce]

well, i am interested to help

we need to fork in github from https://github.com/brutasse/djangopeople.net ?

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[Bruno Renié]

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Yonsy Manuel Solis Ponce
<yonsy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> well, i am interested to help
> we need to fork in github from https://github.com/brutasse/djangopeople.net
> ?

Yes, the fork tree is slightly confusing but this repo contains all
the work that's been done recently. There is also a wiki page with
different tasks listed, feel free to add your ideas and choose a task!

Bruno

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[Subhranath Chunder]

Hi,

I'm very much interested to help. Please tell me, from where and how to get started.

Thanks,

Subhranath Chunder.

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[Bruno Renié]

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Subhranath Chunder
<subhr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm very much interested to help. Please tell me, from where and how to get
> started.
> Thanks,
> Subhranath Chunder.

Hi Subhranath,

I've been contacted by a couple of people so I'll post publicly here
what I tell them :)

We have a wiki page [0] on GitHub that summarizes everything.
Basically everyone can suggest ideas and pick tasks, but to avoid
conflicting work I'd recommend having a chat before, either on IRC
(#djangopeople.net on freenode) or on the Convore group [1]. It's far
easier to reach me on IRC, though.

Thanks,
Bruno

[0] https://github.com/brutasse/djangopeople.net/wiki
[1] https://convore.com/djangopeoplenet-development/

[Alex Sosnovskiy]

https://convore.com/djangopeoplenet-development/ - gives http404

Djangopeople.net is dead?

If to be honest I don't understand you, guys! What's the profit of rewriting views to class-based if djangopeople.net is down for a year ?

I would like to help, but don't know how. 

[Aaron C. de Bruyn]

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Alex Sosnovskiy <alec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> https://convore.com/djangopeoplenet-development/ - gives http404
>
> Djangopeople.net is dead?
>
> If to be honest I don't understand you, guys! What's the profit of rewriting
> views to class-based if djangopeople.net is down for a year ?

Look at the whois record for djangoproject.com verses
djangopeople.net. I don't think djangopeople.net is officially part
of Django.
Regardless, would you have development on the framework stop so a site
that isn't 'core' to the project is tweaked?

-A

[Russell Keith-Magee]

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aa...@heyaaron.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Alex Sosnovskiy <alec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> https://convore.com/djangopeoplenet-development/ - gives http404
>>
>> Djangopeople.net is dead?
>>
>> If to be honest I don't understand you, guys! What's the profit of rewriting
>> views to class-based if djangopeople.net is down for a year ?
>
> Look at the whois record for djangoproject.com verses
> djangopeople.net.  I don't think djangopeople.net is officially part
> of Django.

I can confirm for you -- djangopeople.net has never been an "official"
part of the Django project. It was always an effort run outside of the
official (although Simon, the original developer, is a Django core
developer).

That said, I'm still interested in making djangopeople.net an official
resource of the Django project. It was a very useful resource in it's
time, which I for one miss. If anyone is interested (including Bruno,
if he's still interested) in managing the project for the long term,
let me know.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

[Alex Sosnovskiy]

Hi Russell. I'm interested and I'm sure many python/django developers
are interested.
Don't understand why the progress stopped for a long time.
The most important thing is to set UP djangopeople.net .



On May 10, 2:04 am, Russell Keith-Magee <russ...@keith-magee.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aa...@heyaaron.com> wrote:
>

[Fernando]

There is also:

http://pythonpeople.znc.com.br/

Which maps python users and user groups.

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[Florian Apolloner]

Hi Russell,

can't we integrate it into the new djangoproject.com site? I would prefer that over having it hosted externally etc...

Cheers,

Florian

[Bruno Renié]

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Russell Keith-Magee
<rus...@keith-magee.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aa...@heyaaron.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Alex Sosnovskiy <alec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> https://convore.com/djangopeoplenet-development/ - gives http404
>>>
>>> Djangopeople.net is dead?
>>>
>>> If to be honest I don't understand you, guys! What's the profit of rewriting
>>> views to class-based if djangopeople.net is down for a year ?

That's because the rewritten code has never been deployed.

>> Look at the whois record for djangoproject.com verses
>> djangopeople.net.  I don't think djangopeople.net is officially part
>> of Django.
>
> I can confirm for you -- djangopeople.net has never been an "official"
> part of the Django project. It was always an effort run outside of the
> official  (although Simon, the original developer, is a Django core
> developer).
>
> That said, I'm still interested in making djangopeople.net an official
> resource of the Django project. It was a very useful resource in it's
> time, which I for one miss. If anyone is interested (including Bruno,
> if he's still interested) in managing the project for the long term,
> let me know.

I am still interested, the issue right now is to get admin access to
the djangopeople.net DNS records and an up-to-date dump of the data.
Regarding that, Simon Willison is pretty hard to reach and the best
way to contact him is via Andew Godwin who can talk to him IRL. But as
you may know, they're both busy people so that's why we're in the
current situation.

There is also the issue of hosting, at the time Andrew was happy to
host the rebirth of djangopeople.net on ep.io but since it's closing
down we'd have to find another option.

Regards,
Bruno

[Jacob Kaplan-Moss]

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Bruno Renié <bub...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There is also the issue of hosting, at the time Andrew was happy to
> host the rebirth of djangopeople.net on ep.io but since it's closing
> down we'd have to find another option.

The DSF has the resources to host and/or pay for hosting (most likely
place for this would be on Heroku). Get in touch off-list and I'll
hook you up.

Jacob

[Russell Keith-Magee]

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Florian Apolloner
<f.apo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Russell,
>
> can't we integrate it into the new djangoproject.com site? I would prefer
> that over having it hosted externally etc...

There's two separate issues here:

* Having it hosted somewhere under the control/management of the core
Django project

* Having a link to Django People from the main Django site.

There's no reason the two problems need to be combined. In fact, I'd
prefer they weren't.

One of my personal goals with the Django Project website redesign is
to enable us to broaden our base, and find parts of the project that
we can pass off to interested groups in the community. Keeping a clear
distinction between the two codebases is one way to make this easier;
the "integration" between the two then becomes a matter of making sure
the main djangoproject.com website has appropriate ways to link out to
these other projects, maintained by other groups.

That doesn't mean the core project can't be involved in deployment --
and as Jacob has pointed out, the DSF has resources to help out here.
If there's an important community resource floating around, the people
maintaining that resource shouldn't be out of pocket.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

[Russell Keith-Magee]

I'll shake the tree again and see what I can do.

Another option would be to start from scratch; if we're making the
official, we could host you at people.djangoproject.com, start with a
clean database, and use the blog/mailing list/etc to get the word out
and repopulate the database. It's less than ideal, but it would get
over the hurdle. After all, we're perfectionists with deadlines :-)

> There is also the issue of hosting, at the time Andrew was happy to
> host the rebirth of djangopeople.net on ep.io but since it's closing
> down we'd have to find another option.

As Jacob noted, the DSF can help out here. If you can come up with an
estimate of what you need, I can put it to the board and get you those
resources.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

[Donald Stufft]

djangopeople.me ?

[Florian Apolloner]

On Friday, May 11, 2012 1:40:45 AM UTC+2, dstufft wrote:

djangopeople.me ?

I for one hate the fact that it's twitter login only :( 

[Patrick Altman]

FWIW, Eldarion would be delighted to sponsor the hosting via Gondor at no cost to DSF (or anyone else).

Thanks,
Patrick Altman


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On Thursday, May 10, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:

> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Bruno Renié <bub...@gmail.com (mailto:bub...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Russell Keith-Magee

> > <rus...@keith-magee.com (mailto:rus...@keith-magee.com)> wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn <aa...@heyaaron.com (mailto:aa...@heyaaron.com)> wrote:

> > > > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Alex Sosnovskiy <alec...@gmail.com (mailto:alec...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > https://convore.com/djangopeoplenet-development/ - gives http404
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

> > > > > Djangopeople.net (http://Djangopeople.net) is dead?

> > > > >
> > > > > If to be honest I don't understand you, guys! What's the profit of rewriting

> > > > > views to class-based if djangopeople.net (http://djangopeople.net) is down for a year ?

> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > That's because the rewritten code has never been deployed.
> >

> > > > Look at the whois record for djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) verses
> > > > djangopeople.net (http://djangopeople.net). I don't think djangopeople.net (http://djangopeople.net) is officially part
> > > > of Django.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I can confirm for you -- djangopeople.net (http://djangopeople.net) has never been an "official"

> > > part of the Django project. It was always an effort run outside of the
> > > official (although Simon, the original developer, is a Django core
> > > developer).
> > >

> > > That said, I'm still interested in making djangopeople.net (http://djangopeople.net) an official

> > > resource of the Django project. It was a very useful resource in it's
> > > time, which I for one miss. If anyone is interested (including Bruno,
> > > if he's still interested) in managing the project for the long term,
> > > let me know.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am still interested, the issue right now is to get admin access to

> > the djangopeople.net (http://djangopeople.net) DNS records and an up-to-date dump of the data.

> > Regarding that, Simon Willison is pretty hard to reach and the best
> > way to contact him is via Andew Godwin who can talk to him IRL. But as
> > you may know, they're both busy people so that's why we're in the
> > current situation.
>
>
>
> I'll shake the tree again and see what I can do.
>
> Another option would be to start from scratch; if we're making the

> official, we could host you at people.djangoproject.com (http://people.djangoproject.com), start with a

> clean database, and use the blog/mailing list/etc to get the word out
> and repopulate the database. It's less than ideal, but it would get
> over the hurdle. After all, we're perfectionists with deadlines :-)
>
> > There is also the issue of hosting, at the time Andrew was happy to

> > host the rebirth of djangopeople.net (http://djangopeople.net) on ep.io (http://ep.io) but since it's closing

> > down we'd have to find another option.
>
>
>
> As Jacob noted, the DSF can help out here. If you can come up with an
> estimate of what you need, I can put it to the board and get you those
> resources.
>
> Yours,
> Russ Magee %-)
>

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[Russell Keith-Magee]

Hi Patrick,

Thanks for the offer -- I'm sure we'll be in touch when we're at the
point where hosting is required.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

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[zalew]

yeah. I got a few contacts through it, so it looks like it's positioned well and working, and I don't know if bringing .net back makes any sense. Most profiles will be redundant, won't they? Unless .net provides something more. We'd probably need a better djangogigs-alike.

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[Will Hardy]

Seeing as we have to deal with a stale data issue anyway, I thought I
would throw an idea into the mix.

I think it'd be nice to have something where the data is a little more
open, allowing anyone to create an index of developers. For example,
each developer who wants to be index sticks a json file somewhere
online with loosely standard information: who they are, whether or not
they are currently available, where they are happy to work, what their
relevant interests are, some experience and links to
github/twitter/etc accounts.

This way, a developer would need only update the file and the changes
would propagate to whatever index others have built. For employers, it
means the index only contains people clever enough to put a json file
on their website/github/etc :-)

There are of course no doubt issues with this (verification etc), but
I thought I would mention a worthy goal. At the very least,
people.djangoproject.com could provide a simple API, in effect hosting
such information and letting others build fancy indicies. As someone
who is looking for competent developers, I'd be happy to work on this
if others find it useful.

Cheers,

Will

[Bruno Renié]

Hi,

Quick update, the data issue has been resolved and we're working on
the deployment of the new site. The infrastructure should be ready in
a couple of days.

If people are interested in playing with new ideas, the code is on
github and should contain all the information to get started:

https://github.com/brutasse/djangopeople

Bruno