Names?

[Xavier Maldonado]

Okay, I just woke up with a few ideas in my head so I guess let's just
throw some ideas out there.

1. Second City Arts and Media (SCAM)
2. Second City Radical Arts and Media (SCRAM)

Of course, not saying that we should go the route of acronyms just
some ideas.

[Ramsey Beyer]

i actually really like both of those ideas

[Geoffrey Hing]

I like this too. Then you can append the acronym to different things,
e.g. SCAM Space, SCAM Shows, SCAM Collective.

-Geoff

[Ramsey Beyer]

though i wonder if asking for donations while calling yourself SCAM might be a little tricky... haha.

[Xavier Maldonado]

Yeah I thought about that as well. Maybe not the best idea. I tried
to come up with on so we could be called the SCARAB Collective but I'm
lost on the B.

[cris balls]

I really like the name Second City Arts and Media . We can use the full name for advertising and grants and just use SCAM as an informal name. We don't necessarily have to have an acronym. I personally like the "professional" sounding name with a less than professional sounding acronym. Kinda fits for trying to do a legit, "professional" space for freaks and radical artists. That's just my two cents. The only possible problem I see would be any possible trademark infringement with The Second City. I checked the US trademark office and 29 trademarks related to "Second City" came up. About 15-20 of them were from The Second City. A few other ones were for realty companies, so I know they don't have a monopoly on the name. However, doing art and performances may put us in conflict. I personally like the name enough to think it might be worth asking a lawyer, but if anybody comes up with a better name that everybody likes it might not be worth the trouble. Not sure. Chris --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Xavier Maldonado <wearethemo...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Matt Walsh]

I do worry about being associated with Second City, it could just get
some people confused. I do prefer SCRAM over SCAM, but i am just one
voice and i wouldn't be super against the second city thing i just
would worry a little bit.

~Matt

On Oct 14, 12:24 pm, cris balls <nosloga...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I really like the name Second City Arts and Media . We can use the full name for advertising and grants and just use SCAM as an informal name. We don't necessarily have to have an acronym. I personally like the "professional" sounding name with a less than professional sounding acronym. Kinda fits for trying to do a legit, "professional" space for freaks and radical artists. That's just my two cents.
> The only possible problem I see would be any possible trademark infringement with The Second City. I checked the US trademark office and 29 trademarks related to "Second City" came up. About 15-20 of them were from The Second City. A few other ones were for realty companies, so I know they don't have a monopoly on the name. However, doing art and performances may put us in conflict. I personally like the name enough to think it might be worth asking a lawyer, but if anybody comes up with a better name that everybody likes it might not be worth the trouble. Not sure.
> Chris
>

> --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Xavier Maldonado <wearethemovingcas...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Cole Mason]

I really wish that CHARM wasn't an already established collective. That would work for Chicago Arts and Radical Media, or Chicago Area Radical Media.

The only other name I came up with thus far is CHASM Collective - Chicago Arts and Subversive Media. I'm not sure about using the word "subversive", though. Any thoughts?

-Cole

[Xavier Maldonado]

Yeah maybe not the CHARM idea. I like it as a name but I think we
gotta be something so as to not relate ourselves to an existing
place.

Is doing an acronym something that everyone thinks is a good idea? It
has it's drawbacks (like being fairly limiting) but I personally like
the idea of generally stating what we are in our name.

On Oct 14, 6:57 pm, Cole Mason <colejma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I really wish that CHARM wasn't an already established collective. That
> would work for Chicago Arts and Radical Media, or Chicago Area Radical
> Media.
>
> The only other name I came up with thus far is CHASM Collective - Chicago
> Arts and Subversive Media. I'm not sure about using the word "subversive",
> though. Any thoughts?
>
> -Cole
>

[Matt Walsh]

I think an acronym is best.

On Oct 14, 7:11 pm, Xavier Maldonado <wearethemovingcas...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Ramsey Beyer]

Maybe CRAM, Chicago Radical Arts and Music?

[Todd Nief]

I think that using a loaded word like "radical" or "subversive" in the
name immediately shoots ourselves in the foot as far as not being just
a "punk" space, etc.

[Ramsey Beyer]

that's fair.

keep the ideas comin.

[Xavier Maldonado]

So just looking to broaden our alphabetical horizon I looked up a few
interesting names for Chicago.
1. Apparently the city seal has a Latin phrase that calls us the "City
in a Garden" which I think is neat.
2. The name "Chicago" is a French rendering of the Native American
word shikaakwa, meaning "wild onion" or "wild garlic," from the Miami-
Illinois language. (thank you wikipedia).
I was thinking that maybe our acronym didn't necessarily have to be a
word but just something quick but easy to say (like CCC for the Cream
City Collective).
so maybe something like "Wild Onion Arts"?

On Oct 15, 8:31 am, Ramsey Beyer <ramseybe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> that's fair.
>
> keep the ideas comin.
>

[Ramsey Beyer]

That has a nice ring to it. Maybe I'm just feeling very agreeable today. I've liked every suggestion.... haha. 

[Cole Mason]

Todd- I agree and disagree. Not so much with the word "radical", but that's exactly how I felt when I used "subversive". However, just because something is radical does not mean it is punk, or vice-versa- but I think it would be cool to have a nod to our punk roots.

Continuing with Xavier's ideas of something representative of Chicago: the first thing that came to my head was "Cow and Lantern Arts", after the myth of what started the Chicago Fire. 

[Stuart Hannon]

Big Shoulders Arts & Media

BSAM

[Chris]

There hasn't been much discussion in the last couple days, so I'll try
to start things moving again. In my opinion, the name and mission are
two things that need to be worked on soon so we can get down to real
work. If we get these two things done, we can set up a group
specifically for collective events planning like we talked about at
the last meeting. We can also set up a site to list the events we are
setting up and list the collective name on flyers. Let's try to do
this soon before the excitement wears off. Our next meeting is Wed. so
maybe we can try to have some discussion before then so we can finally
make something concrete when we get together.

So, here are a list of the names that have been thrown about. How
about we get an idea of which ones everybody likes. Or if anybody has
anything to add to the list, let's hear it. I'd really like to hear
from some of the people on the list who haven't been able to make it
to the meetings yet. I don't want to start excluding people already.

Second City Arts and Media (SCAM)

Second City Radical Arts and Media (SCRAM)

Chicago Arts and Radical Media
Chicago Area Radical Media
Chicago Radical Arts and Music(CRAM)
Wild Onion Arts
Cow and Lantern Arts
Big Shoulders Arts & Media .

Chris

[Cole Mason]

Personally, my favourite name so far is Chicago Radical Arts and Music. "CRAM Collective" just sounds cool. I was also thinking more about what Todd said, and just because we have a "punk" name doesn't mean we can't reach beyond the punk scene.

[Ramsey Beyer]

I also agree that it's okay to identify as a punk or diy space but still 'serve' a greater community and be welcoming to everyone.

I like CRAM and Wild Onion Arts. 

[Xavier Maldonado]

I'm with Ramsey on this one. Those two are my favourite.

On Oct 22, 7:30 pm, Ramsey Beyer <ramseybe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I also agree that it's okay to identify as a punk or diy space but still
> 'serve' a greater community and be welcoming to everyone.
>
> I like CRAM and Wild Onion Arts.
>

> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Cole Mason <colejma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Personally, my favourite name so far is Chicago Radical Arts and Music.
> > "CRAM Collective" just sounds cool. I was also thinking more about what Todd
> > said, and just because we have a "punk" name doesn't mean we can't reach
> > beyond the punk scene.
>

[Molly Berkson]

me too!

[Matt Walsh]

I am into CRAM & Wild Onions too! Anyone greatly opposed? Is there a
way that we can do a vote? It would be sweet if this was decided by
the meeting on wednesday.

On Oct 25, 4:53 pm, Molly Berkson <mollyberk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> me too!
>
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Xavier Maldonado <
>

[Xavier Maldonado]

Okay, so how about this name thing? Can we throw some more ideas out
there or are we just not going to worry about it until having a space
is on the horizon?

[Molly Berkson]

We could keep it straight forward and go with something like Chicago DIY Collective. 

[cris balls]

At the meeting we talked decided to just go forward as DIY Chi Collective unless anyone has any serious objections to this. That name is simple, and already known somewhat due to Ramsey's site. I suppose we should always throw out names so we can be on top of this when we do find a space, but it doesn't seem to be a dire necessity right now. Keep the ideas coming. Chris --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Molly Berkson <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Aaron Ross]

DIY Chi Collective makes sense. Anything that isn't along those lines seems like it will only confuse people and / or be objected to by someone.

-Aaron