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Very interesting thoughts and topic Patrik! So far, I've only got one thought on the matter and I've written it below.
On Oct 2, 2014 6:35 AM, "Patrik D'haeseleer" <pat...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> - They seem to be wearing isolation suits designed to protect against aerosols, but Ebola is not aerosol transmitted. Can the suits be simplified, so health workers no longer need to choose between dying of heat exhaustion of infection.
I have a very low amount of knowledge about viruses but isn't it entirely possible for it to mutate to be transmitted through the air? If so, I think I'd rather suffer in a ridiculously hot suit than take the chance of the next patient that I treat having an aerosol transmitting mutation.
Changing the suit as such would also be a huge problem if the virus did mutate as we'd have a huge percentage of doctors that would have insufficient suits for the new mutation.
For ventilation, aerosol or not, it doesn't seem like it'd be a good idea to take the air in a sick patient ward and concentrate it into a single suit for someone to breath. What about an internal active cooler of some sort?
A hacky way to do it could just be a Peltier module with the heat sync portion on the outside of the suit and a fan internally to attempt to force the cool air around? Maybe based on top of a foot? (Minimal accidental movement from swaying etc+extra weight wouldn't really be an issue) Not to mention there may be something to the "one foot out" ventilation method people use when too warm in bed!
Just some random thoughts that I had! Interested to see some others passed around!
Alex
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I have a very low amount of knowledge about viruses but isn't it entirely possible for it to mutate to be transmitted through the air?
Here are some excellent resources about Ebola:
• Is Ebola virus going to kill me? - If you’re asking that question, this is for you.
• TWiV 297: Ebola! Don’t panic, and TWiV 302: The sky is falling - two outstanding episodes of Patrik's favorite hard-core science podcast, This Week in Virology. Also contains tons of useful links.
• CDC page on 2014 Ebola Outbreak in West Africa
• WHO page on Ebola Virus Disease
PatrikAwesome information, thanks Patrik!
Alex
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That's very interesting!
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From the news clip we gather that remedial isolation suits can be successful.The question is: How to test your contraptions without being in the field?There must be quantitative protocols and procedures to test suits.Can they be used by the DYI community? Could they be simplified to that measure?NATO probably has published protocols for testing HASMAT equipment for chemical and bacterial war...
As for the chemical see space suits equipment that soak up moisture. SO4 looks good.
There is a question that's been nagging on my mind & I'd like to ask/propose it here. Do you think Gatorade could help Ebola patients?
- Protective equipment is a huge issue, with health workers needing to wear head-to-toe protective suits in 100+ F heat all day long. Can we learn anything from how sports mascot suits are constructed with built-in ventilation, for example? Just a wild idea...
- Taking *off* those protective suits turns out to be a major source of infections for hospital personnel. Could they be redesigned to be more inherently safe to take off? NASA's new Z-1 Z-1 space suit has a hatch on the back that allows the suit to dock with a portal on a spacecraft or rover so an astronaut can crawl through without letting dust in or air out. Probably overkill, but perhaps there's something to treating the entire suit as a "glove" that you can take off.
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IIRC, Ebola is enveloped. Usually, this means "highly susceptible to
solvents and detergents", so I wonder if the real area worth addressing
is trivial spray-down equipment?
That is, rather than changing suits between patients and isolation
units, why not design suits to be extremely efficiently spray-able
(highly wetting), and design an easily DIYable sprayer rig for cheap
detergent or alcohol?
There seems to be a big disconnect between the solutions being proposed here and what is viable/needed on the ground. Much of the discussion has been focused on improving isolation suits. Although occasionally shown in the media as I understand it these are not what is typically used in the epidemic area. [...]
They aren't needed so more efficient solutions are used. Wearing multiple layers, gloves, apron, face mask etc is still very hot though.Cooling the healthcare worker may still be beneficial but it would probably need to be something like the cooling vests bikers sometimes use rather than an air conditioning system.