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Bryan Bishop

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Mar 29, 2012, 5:21:19 PM3/29/12
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From: raymondmccauley <raymond...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Subject: [biocurious] Synthetic Biology: Threat or Menace?
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There's been a bit of a shrill alert raised about the dangers of local
biotech labs, focusing on synthetic biology.

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_20278049/critics-raise-safety-concerns-biotech-labs-at-berkeley

I take this with a grain of salt, as the groups that are doing this
are the same ones that shut down the freshman genetic testing program
at Berkeley, and seem to have an agenda. And I'm sure community
hackerspaces like BioCurious will eventually find their way into the
crosshairs of these groups.

But there is a discussion happening at Berkeley tonight (mentioned at
the end of the article). If anyone is going, and will report back to
the group, that'd be great. If anyone does go, I'd suggest this is not
a good event at which to waive the BioCurious banner; better to listen
more, talk less.

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Jason Bobe

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Mar 29, 2012, 6:15:56 PM3/29/12
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The range of perspectives today is dramatic, here is a +1 for the other view:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/29/synthetic-biology-best-hope-mankind

Jason


On Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:21:19 PM UTC-7, Bryan Bishop wrote:
From: raymondmccauley <raymond...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Subject: [biocurious] Synthetic Biology: Threat or Menace?
To: BioCurious <biocu...@googlegroups.com>


There's been a bit of a shrill alert raised about the dangers of local
biotech labs, focusing on synthetic biology.

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_20278049/critics-raise-safety-concerns-biotech-labs-at-berkeley

I take this with a grain of salt, as the groups that are doing this
are the same ones that shut down the freshman genetic testing program
at Berkeley, and seem to have an agenda. And I'm sure community
hackerspaces like BioCurious will eventually find their way into the
crosshairs of these groups.

But there is a discussion happening at Berkeley tonight (mentioned at
the end of the article). If anyone is going, and will report back to
the group, that'd be great. If anyone does go, I'd suggest this is not
a good event at which to waive the BioCurious banner; better to listen
more, talk less.

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Bryan Bishop

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Mar 29, 2012, 6:32:16 PM3/29/12
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On 3/29/12 3:23 PM, Adam Perrotta wrote:

Nevertheless, we should be prepared for when we do find our way into
the crosshairs.


Unfortunately, most pro-tech types prefer political bickering to
public relations.

To paraphrase what I said in response to Al Jazeera's Engineering
human evolution video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXGY2o6GJPA),
enhancement won't inevitably happen when the public thinks it's evil,
which it will when opponents use slick scare tactics, or when
proponents aren't careful about what they say and make us look bad.
Market-based solutions won't work when there's no demand.

The most articulate opponents of H+ go on about how controlling
biology enables evil, proponents need to invalidate those claims with
evidence rather than ideals.

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Nathan McCorkle

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Mar 29, 2012, 6:48:22 PM3/29/12
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This woman Becky McClain is mentioned in the first article. I'm just
now reading about her now, but I can't tell if this woman just didn't
understand good sterile technique. If you're a competent scientist,
you should understand the risks you're accepting.

At 12:30 here she says HIV has DNA inside the protein coat... that
could be an easy slip-up, but a little sloppy I guess:
http://blip.tv/laborvideo/pfizer-injured-biotech-molecular-biologist-becky-mcclain-biotech-workers-and-the-public-under-threat-3978946

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Bryan Bishop

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Mar 29, 2012, 6:52:01 PM3/29/12
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On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Nathan McCorkle <nmz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This woman Becky McClain is mentioned in the first article. I'm just
> now reading about her now, but I can't tell if this woman just didn't
> understand good sterile technique. If you're a competent scientist,
> you should understand the risks you're accepting.

yep...

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Robert Young <robertdou...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Becky McLain, a molecular biologist who won a 2010 lawsuit against her former employer, pharmaceutical giant Pfizer, said the safety risks that may face workers in Richmond will be even more volatile than those she encountered in an embryonic stem cell lab. A federal jury awarded McLain $1.37 million in damages after she was exposed to a genetically engineered virus that caused her recurring paralysis and other illnesses.

drllau

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Mar 29, 2012, 7:29:14 PM3/29/12
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1) one option is to use dialectic techniques (see www.rbutr.com) when the sensationalism gets too shrill

2) another is to be proactive to address FrankenMonster concerns - www.quora.com anyone?

3) promote bioethical behaviours including (sterile techniques, non-horizontal transfer, documented kill switches etc).

> we should be prepared for when we do find our way into the crosshairs.

Remember the opposition may on be other side of the rag sheet but the enemy is the idiot next to you with no clue.
Lawrence
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On Friday, 30 March 2012 11:32:16 UTC+13, Bryan Bishop wrote:
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Date: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:31 PM
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On 3/29/12 3:23 PM, Adam Perrotta wrote:

Nevertheless, we should be prepared for when we do find our way into
the crosshairs.


Unfortunately, most pro-tech types prefer political bickering to
public relations.

To paraphrase what I said in response to Al Jazeera's Engineering
human evolution video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXGY2o6GJPA),
enhancement won't inevitably happen when the public thinks it's evil,
which it will when opponents use slick scare tactics, or when
proponents aren't careful about what they say and make us look bad.
Market-based solutions won't work when there's no demand.

The most articulate opponents of H+ go on about how controlling
biology enables evil, proponents need to invalidate those claims with
evidence rather than ideals.

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On 3/29/12 3:23 PM, Adam Perrotta wrote:

Nevertheless, we should be prepared for when we do find our way into
the crosshairs.


Unfortunately, most pro-tech types prefer political bickering to
public relations.

To paraphrase what I said in response to Al Jazeera's Engineering
human evolution video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXGY2o6GJPA),
enhancement won't inevitably happen when the public thinks it's evil,
which it will when opponents use slick scare tactics, or when
proponents aren't careful about what they say and make us look bad.
Market-based solutions won't work when there's no demand.

The most articulate opponents of H+ go on about how controlling
biology enables evil, proponents need to invalidate those claims with
evidence rather than ideals.

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