who is into food&beverage hacking

[Frantisek Apfelbeck]

Hi to all,

I'm on the list for some time waiting a bit in vain for some more food and beverage focused conversations. I would like to ask if people who are into this field could get in touch with me. I'm involved in Food Hacking Base (fhb) project which is promoting the fusion of the ancient knowledge of food and beverage making with today's science and technology and spreading it within (and out) the hacker community. Next big event after OHM 2013 where we were running the experimental kitchen and workshop place is 30c3 (Computer Chaos Club conference) - 30th anniversary in Hamburg at the end of this December. We plan to call for participation within next two weeks or so, aiming for another crowd sourcing campaign etc. This time we consider to build a separate food&beverage&bio experimental lab which would be dedicated not really to food and beverage preparation, rather testing and really playing. We still want to run the experimental kitchen and workshop area as on the events before. We are now going through the things and what we do really depends on who gets involved, as usually.

 

Anyway if you are into these topics, please get in touch either with me or on our discuss, for more info please check our OHM 2013 wiki

https://ohm2013.org/wiki/Village:Food_Hacking_Base

now we are starting to build up our media wiki

https://foodhackingbase.org/wiki/Main_Page

I hope to talk to you soon, in one or two weeks you will see here the call for participation anyway.

Sincerely,

FAA

PS Personally I'm into food&beverage fermentations (mostly non alcoholic, probiotic). By the way I have heard from Sandor Katz (from his recent blog post) that there are people involved in DIY Bio based in Copenhagen who are experimentally monitoring the development of the microbial "flora and fauna" of sauerkraut. Also I have been told by Mitch Altman that there is a group in Paris who is experimenting with the kombucha grown microcellulose biofilms, does anyone know them? I'm now starting to grow our Food Hacking Base 30c3 batches so a bit of info would be handy :-)

Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck

biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker

http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org

"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

[Matthew Harbowy]

Frantisek:

There's a lot of people interested in food hacking on the list, myself included, but until I've got a decent place to spread out and do some serious hacking I'm a little bit sidelined. Counter Culture labs is definitely interested in arranging a food safe lab in the near to medium term here in Oakland, CA. We also have a considerable interest in hacking probiotic cultures.

Matt

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[Nathan McCorkle]

so do you follow the scientific basis of the whole paleo diet? Lot's
of info that shows grain-fed cattle are messed up in terms of
omega3:omega6 ratio and K2 levels, among other things.

I've made mozzarella recently with the Portland DIYbio group PortLab.
I also have a kombucha 'pet' that I don't drink... I just feed it once
every month or two and watch it grow fat in the glass bowl on top of
my fridge. It's survived moldy growth on top and infestation by fruit
flies. Personally I don't like the smell of vinegar much, so if I were
to want to drink the stuff I'd need to be about 1000X more mindful
than I have been!

I've also been volunteering on a permaculture farm on and off for a
month or so... raw milk abounds (if you haven't had a ladle of fresh
raw cream skimmed from yesterday's chilled milk, I highly recommend
it) and it's great work that beats the boredom of a gym workout. This
has got me thinking about different cattle species that can
interbreed, sometimes with artificial insemination or even embryo
transfer, and I think I'll take an artificial insemination class next
year (there was one a few weeks ago, but I only have 3 days notice and
couldn't commit). For the $400 or so for the 4-day all-day workshop,
it should be loads of fun and pushing-the-envelope of being
grossed-out since you have put your arm in the cow's colon up to your
shoulder! I'm thinking a mini-zebu X yak would be pretty cool, or
indian water buffalo X yak (this would likely require embryo transfer
to a large enough host, just to be safe). I really like the idea of
having a farm someday... I love that permaculture pretty much requires
you to be lower production density. Yes it means less profit, but I
like seeing innumerable green things more than people. Next week I'm
watching/helping with a pig slaughter, and probably in a month or two
a steer.

So since I like milk and cows (goat kids are cute, but I seem to
always smell male goat in any of their meat/milk), I'm definitely up
for some GMO yogurt platforms. Grass->milk->yogurt is pretty
sustainable in the northern latitudes, moreso than cane sugar at least
(though I don't know how warm sugar beets need to grow).

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[Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck]

Hi there,
I'm bit tired today so apologies for short reply. To Matt, do you know Three Stone Hearth kitchen in Berkeley? http://www.threestonehearth.com/  If you are bit busy these days to start some experiment of your own you could have a look there, they do a lots of probiotics, I can get you in touch but it is not really necessary they are very community friendly. To Nathan, well fresh raw milk and especially the top is something what I was highly enjoying when volunteering on organic farms in California and at Three Stone Hearth kitchen especially even when I do not drink fresh milk usually - I prefer fermented versions, kefir is my best.
 
Concerning the food hacking etc. I think that there can be quite a lot of done with minimum of resources, getting more through the "ants' work" as we say in Czech, a little by little. I plan to start for example to grow our Food Hacking Base "stickers" or rather logo based on the kombucha culture and later on probably laser "cutting/printing" on this microcellulose matrix and sharing it within next "sticker exchange" with variety of hackerspaces latest at 30c3. Hopefully some other hackerspaces will try this process too. It is a small experiment but I think a nice one because it is simple, it is probiotic and in a way it is "3D growing" which is something bit different than you read on the discusses every day. Personally I really believe that majority of our materials/items will be sooner or later grown anyway ...

Well that was my quick post just in reply hope to hear more ideas soon! By the way is anyone coming to 30c3 in Germany in December this year?

Sincerely from Jeju, South Korea,

Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck

[Mü]

Frantisek, are you ever in the bay area? Love to meetup. I'm really interested in working on similar things. I managed a farm in Sonoma County for a year where we built various bioreactor prototypes with food and fertilizer applications. A friend and I are currently looking for a space to continue the work in the bay area (peninsula/sf/east bay). Three Stone Hearth is a really cool place, did you work with Sam or Otto? 

[Frantisek Apfelbeck]

Hello Mu (sorry do not have the German keyboard at the moment) ...

I'm out of SF Bay area since 2010, alas. I think we should definitely talk more, your experience is very interesting for me. The concept of low cost bioreactor/incubator is something what I'm after for a while and I would like to make it happen next year, meaning run a full scale project. Anyway we should talk about that I've submitted a talk to 30c3 in Hamburg on the topic and now I'm thinking how to do that. My idea is to get several hackerspaces involved on various levels of "intensity" and go for crowd sourcing campaing, aiming to cover the costs of equipment and materials needed to move the project forward and also getting at least some "part time wages" for people involved. Anyway lets talk about that more later on.

Concerning working place, did you considered the hackerspace Noisebridge?

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge

I love the place, have not been around for a while but still it has the vibe (and sometimes a drama). I would recommend you to check it out, it is a good open platform. I have been working there intensively on food&beverage hacking for some six months co-founding the relevant group Tastebridge (which is now nicely dormant :-)

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Tastebridge

And yes I do now Otto, he is cool :-))

Maybe we should continue with our chat out of the diybio discuss so we do not "pollute" too much.

 
Sincerely,

Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck

biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker

http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org

"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:43 AM, Mü <gmo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Frantisek, are you ever in the bay area? Love to meetup. I'm really interested in working on similar things. I managed a farm in Sonoma County for a year where we built various bioreactor prototypes with food and fertilizer applications. A friend and I are currently looking for a space to continue the work in the bay area (peninsula/sf/east bay). Three Stone Hearth is a really cool place, did you work with Sam or Otto? 

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:18:13 AM UTC-7, Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck wrote:

Hi there,
I'm bit tired today so apologies for short reply. To Matt, do you know Three Stone Hearth kitchen in Berkeley? http://www.threestonehearth. com/  If you are bit busy these days to start some experiment of your own you could have a look there, they do a lots of probiotics, I can get you in touch but it is not really necessary they are very community friendly. To Nathan, well fresh raw milk and especially the top is something what I was highly enjoying when volunteering on organic farms in California and at Three Stone Hearth kitchen especially even when I do not drink fresh milk usually - I prefer fermented versions, kefir is my best.

 
Concerning the food hacking etc. I think that there can be quite a lot of done with minimum of resources, getting more through the "ants' work" as we say in Czech, a little by little. I plan to start for example to grow our Food Hacking Base "stickers" or rather logo based on the kombucha culture and later on probably laser "cutting/printing" on this microcellulose matrix and sharing it within next "sticker exchange" with variety of hackerspaces latest at 30c3. Hopefully some other hackerspaces will try this process too. It is a small experiment but I think a nice one because it is simple, it is probiotic and in a way it is "3D growing" which is something bit different than you read on the discusses every day. Personally I really believe that majority of our materials/items will be sooner or later grown anyway ...

Well that was my quick post just in reply hope to hear more ideas soon! By the way is anyone coming to 30c3 in Germany in December this year?

Sincerely from Jeju, South Korea,

Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck

On Friday, October 11, 2013 9:23:05 PM UTC+9, Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck wrote:

Hi to all,

I'm on the list for some time waiting a bit in vain for some more food and beverage focused conversations. I would like to ask if people who are into this field could get in touch with me. I'm involved in Food Hacking Base (fhb) project which is promoting the fusion of the ancient knowledge of food and beverage making with today's science and technology and spreading it within (and out) the hacker community. Next big event after OHM 2013 where we were running the experimental kitchen and workshop place is 30c3 (Computer Chaos Club conference) - 30th anniversary in Hamburg at the end of this December. We plan to call for participation within next two weeks or so, aiming for another crowd sourcing campaign etc. This time we consider to build a separate food&beverage&bio experimental lab which would be dedicated not really to food and beverage preparation, rather testing and really playing. We still want to run the experimental kitchen and workshop area as on the events before. We are now going through the things and what we do really depends on who gets involved, as usually.

 

Anyway if you are into these topics, please get in touch either with me or on our discuss, for more info please check our OHM 2013 wiki

https://ohm2013.org/wiki/ Village:Food_Hacking_Base