photospectrometer vs spectrophotometer... which is the standard term?

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Nathan McCorkle

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Feb 12, 2012, 7:58:01 PM2/12/12
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I've seen both in literature, and they both seem correct etymologically.

photospectrometer = a measuring device that captures a spectrum of
signals, with photons as input
spectrophotometer = a photon measuring device that captures the
spectrum of the signal

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John Griessen

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Feb 12, 2012, 8:23:46 PM2/12/12
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On 02/12/2012 06:58 PM, Nathan McCorkle wrote:
> I've seen both in literature, and they both seem correct etymologically.
>
> photospectrometer
Good.

> spectrophotometer
PhD enjoying the fog of his own verbiage...


Spectrometer is a more fundamental idea, onto which you can add the
narrowing filter of mass or photons or radio waves or sound waves, etc.

So the words with Spectrometer in them seem more natural languaging to me.

Patrik

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Feb 12, 2012, 8:44:21 PM2/12/12
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Google says spectrophotometer is by far the more common term
(5,510,000 hits vs 17,100).

Wikipedia says spectrophotometer/spectrophotometry.

Nanodrop also calls their boxes spectrophotometers.

That's good enough for me...

Bryan Bishop

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Feb 12, 2012, 8:48:34 PM2/12/12
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On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Patrik <pat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Google says spectrophotometer is by far the more common term
(5,510,000 hits vs 17,100).

those "hits" are just made up numbers. They aren't actual counts. But if you were to really take Google's counts into account, you should use Google Scholar which shows 618000 vs. 3570...

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Nathan McCorkle

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Feb 12, 2012, 9:37:23 PM2/12/12
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On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:23 PM, John Griessen <jo...@industromatic.com> wrote:

> Spectrometer is a more fundamental idea, onto which you can add the
> narrowing filter of mass or photons or radio waves or sound waves, etc.

seems like good logic


On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Patrik <pat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Google says spectrophotometer is by far the more common term
> (5,510,000 hits vs 17,100).

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Bryan Bishop <kan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> those "hits" are just made up numbers. They aren't actual counts. But if you
> were to really take Google's counts into account, you should use Google
> Scholar which shows 618000 vs. 3570...

Those numbers are roughly the same as a percent of the total combined
hits (%99.69 vs %99.43), so both make sense.

Thanks!

Zebedeeboy

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Feb 13, 2012, 9:55:41 AM2/13/12
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I see spectrophotometer more commonly. As with much of scientific terminology I think the term was developed rather planned. Photometers came first then, when the ability to take full spectrum readings rather than use filter based technology arrived, someone plonked the spectro bit in front to differentiate their technology from the preceeding one.

Zeb


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On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Patrik <pat...@gmail.com> wrote:
Google says spectrophotometer is by far the more common term
(5,510,000 hits vs 17,100).

those "hits" are just made up numbers. They aren't actual counts. But if you were to really take Google's counts into account, you should use Google Scholar which shows 618000 vs. 3570...

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Chris

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Feb 13, 2012, 10:11:54 AM2/13/12
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Just my two cents but I have always just heard / used:

spectrometer

I rarely hear anyone put photo in there either on the front or the
middle.

Chris

On Feb 13, 9:55 am, Zebedeeboy <zebedee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I see spectrophotometer more commonly. As with much of scientific terminology I think the term was developed rather planned. Photometers came first then, when the ability to take full spectrum readings rather than use filter based technology arrived, someone plonked the spectro bit in front to differentiate their technology from the preceeding one.
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> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Patrik <patr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Google says spectrophotometer is by far the more common term
> (5,510,000 hits vs 17,100).
>
> those "hits" are just made up numbers. They aren't actual counts. But if you were to really take Google's counts into account, you should use Google Scholar which shows 618000 vs. 3570...
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Jeswin

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Feb 13, 2012, 10:39:16 AM2/13/12
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Chris <christe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just my two cents but I have always just heard / used:
>
> spectrometer
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> I rarely hear anyone put photo in there either on the front or the
> middle.
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> Chris
there is a difference. You can say "mass spec" meaning spectrometry
but if you mean UV/Vis then that "spec" refers to spectrophotometry.
That's how I view it. Depends on the technology and context. Yea,
spectrophotometry is long to say but in writing, I use the full form
so that there's less confusion

Nathan McCorkle

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Feb 14, 2012, 12:46:24 PM2/14/12
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That might not be the case, what is a photometer (is it a photographic
plate or some other instrument?) and when was it invented? Wikipedia
says the first photometers were merely the human eye judging the
intensity of a sample.

Newton's prisms didn't disperse light enough for him to really make
measurements, but Fraunhofer invented a 'spectroscope' in 1814
(published on it in 1817, "Determination of the Refractive and
Dispersive Indices for Differing Types of Glass in Relation to the
Perfections of Achromatic Telescopes")... the meter part of his device
was merely present/absent, he didn't really care about intensity.

So if you consider the eye as a photometer, then I guess it came first...

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