The Bio-Rad gene pulser can put out 2.5 kilovolts max, with (1.0,
3.0, 10, 25, or 50 µF) capacitors
"
Output voltage adjustment 50–2,500 V range (depending on the capacitor)
with 10 V adjustment precision for the high voltage
range and 2 V for the low-voltage range
(50–500 V)
"
An optional controller adds resistance, to reduce current (not volts):
"Selectable resistance, ohms, (parallel) 50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500,
600, 700, 800, 900, 1000, infinity ohms"
An optional capacitance increaser:
"25 to 3,275 µF, in 25 µF increments"
Typical E. coli procedure:
Select a low capacitor (1.0, 3.0, 10, 25, or 50 µF)
Set the voltage, Recommended voltage is 1.8 kV for electroporation of
a typical strain of E. coli using 25–40 µl of sample
(cells/DNA/protein) in the 0.1 cm cuvette, or use 2.5 kV in 0.2 cm
cuvettes
Select resistance
Pulse the previously chilled cell sample
Immediately add recovery medium, gently mix and transfer to a culture
tube for incubation
After about an hour plate on selective medium
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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Nathan McCorkle <nmz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why not use electroporation for transfection... I've got this book:
> http://pages.towson.edu/jsaunder/Saunders%20Publications/48.Guide%20to%20Electroporation%20and%20Electrofusion.pdf
>
> and its like the holy-grail for electroporation. Techniques and
> reviews of systems, and it even talks about building your own (the
> advantages and disadvantages mainly).
>
> "The exponentially decaying wave generator gave high rates of both
> uptake and expression; however,
> the pulse field strength working range was very narrow. Regardless of
> which wave generator is used, it is clear that the
> experimental protocol must be optimized for each cell type
> that is being examined. The optimization often involves the
> use of different electroporation chambers. The cuvette-style
> electroporation chamber (13) increases the ease and simplicity
> in the handling of cells during electroporation and has evolved
> as an industry standard"
> from:
> http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/99/2/365.full.pdf
>
> Exponential decay is what capacitors do, and I know we've got some
> Electrical Engineers active on this list... I'm no electrical expert,
> but I think I remember reading that the capacitance changed the time
> of decay, so really configurable electroporators basically just have
> lots of different sized capacitors.
>
> With some thought and dedication, I think we could build an Open Electroporator.
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Cathal Garvey <cathal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Legal impediments; you need a license to own a gun in Ireland, and AFAIK
>> that does include low-caliber air-guns.
>>
>> Which is fine in my opinion; we Irish had a storied history of shooting
>> one another, and the lack of guns in the public domain mean our police
>> force is likewise unarmed. It's a nice compromise.
>>
>> However, this does lead to my focusing on chemical or biological methods
>> of gene transfection, which is probably good really: given the choice
>> between a chemical and instrumental route, the former is usually easier
>> for a toe-dipping beginner to invest in and try out. The latter is often
>> more reproducible provided everyone's using the same equipment, but
>> that's not true of a "Make your own Gene Gun!" situation. You'd need the
>> "OpenPCR of Gene Guns". And patents would probably get in the way of
>> something awesome along those lines.
>>
>> On 07/11/11 06:41, Patrik wrote:
>>> On Nov 6, 3:13 am, Cathal Garvey <cathalgar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, in the USA you guys can always get an airgun and modify it into a
>>>> crappy biolistics gun to shoot DNA-coated particles at your plants.
>>>> There are protocols for coating particles with DNA out there.
>>>>
>>>> It'll be expensive and difficult and it's *not* for beginners, but it's
>>>> certainly possible IMHO.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I definitely think we should put some thought into a DIY gene
>>> gun. That seems entirely feasible, and could actually circumvent a lot
>>> of genetic engineering hassles.
>>>
>>> Cathal, when you say that we could do this "in the USA" - what would
>>> be the main impediment for you guys? Gun regulation issues? Or gene
>>> gun / genetic engineering issues? Just wondering.
>>>
>>
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These and more on Alibaba:
http://www.lifescientz.com/Gene-Transformation-System.htm
Another review of different systems:
http://classic.the-scientist.com/article/display/17657/
actually a lot of good articles here with electro in the name, more
parts from the "electroporation and electrofusion" book too:
http://pages.towson.edu/jsaunder/Saunders%20Publications/
Sounds easy. Meredith was interested in development once, but things changed.
One category of pulse wanted is pulses or a programmable train of pulses
that add together. Those can come from capacitance switched directly up to about 500 Volts,a
and above that voltage, it makes more sense to switch the same lower voltage caps, but feed
the current into a transformer inductor to get up to 2500 Volts. The inductively
stored energy will make it go negative voltage after the capacitance discharge,
which isn't wanted, so you can use diodes to snub
or absorb that energy. The electroporator cuvette only wants so much energy, so a current limit
is good to do, and adds to safety -- but you have to not touch the zapper or ... So this kind of thing wants
some good safety lock out physical design -- covers and such.
Besides the computer-driven switched cap pulser described above,
it might be desirable to have other signal generators to precondition what's in your cuvette,
but that can be in conflict, since 2.5kV is able to jump about 1.6mm, and will
spark across relay contacts of small, cheap relays...and kill the other signal generator.
Big clunky HV relays
are available... not much way to cost reduce them though.
I wonder what the price tag for a Scientz-2C is?
John
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I think $250, but another listing says closer to $2k
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/228918631/Gene_electroporator.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/501806460/Gene_Electroporator.html
There's this one too, accessories look a bit strange:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/226593685/Gene_electroporation.html
>
> John
You may have something -- I think SCRs are available for very high voltages.
The relay is only needed to protect a HF generator from the discharge generator
by disconnecting it when it is time to discharge. An SCR able to withstand 3kV
would be good for this app. Probably more expensive than a HV relay though.
JG
When I took apart a BioRad Gene Pulser II, it was loaded with
SCRs...should have taken pictures, meant to, but didn't :(
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Sure. They're a natural for the below 500Volt parts of the switched capacitor pulser.
And for the 2500Volt part, a transformer and some HV diodes, and maybe a HV relay
to protect a pre conditioner (optional equipment)
John
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In response to "is there a standard wave?",
no: there is no standard waveform
That said, some thoughts:
A) EP would never have taken off if there weren't a wide margin for
error
B)
chaotic or noisy source offers the best route to general-purpose
transformation.