Sourcing lab reagent & chemical suppliers who deliver to home addresses for DIYbio

[Mary]

Hi I am new to this forum and was wondering if anybody knew of any
chemical supplier who would deliver to DIY scientists? Most companies
will not deliver to domestic addresses. Can anybody suggest a company?
Thank you

[John Griessen]

On 10/27/2010 10:37 PM, Mary wrote:
Most companies
> will not deliver to domestic addresses.

Just create a business identity for yourself and act like one and they'll
send anything anywhere for cash.

JG

[Andrew Barney]

I think Elemental Scientific and United Nuclear will happily send to
DIY scientists, as long as you are an adult, but i've only ever
ordered Glassware myself.

@JG... haha... I wonder if that method works with these "will only
ship to schools" policy...

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[Andrew Barney]

...But those two companies only carry generic chemistry chemicals.
Probably not reagents.... So, sorry if i wasn't any help...

[Cory Tobin]

bio-world.com shipped stuff to my apartment. I did tell them I was a
grad student at a university (which was true) but the address I gave
them was my home address and they sent my order no question asked.

Also, SoapGoods.com isn't exactly known as a chemical supplier but
they do have a long list of chemicals that they sell. And they do
ship to residential addresses.
http://www.soapgoods.com/Ingredients-c-24.html

-Cory

[Cathal Garvey]

I'm pretty sure mistralni.co.uk will ship globally if laws permit.

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[Nathan McCorkle]

Heh, Would it be any different to start a business if it had "school"
or "college" in the name?

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[ByoWired]

On Oct 27, 11:43 pm, John Griessen <j...@industromatic.com> wrote:
>
> Just create a business identity for yourself and act like one and they'll
> send anything anywhere for cash.
>

Be aware that in the US there is a category of crime known as "mail
fraud" or "wire fraud". Essentially if you purposefully misrepresent
who you are with the intent of getting around some kind of law, like
hazardous chemical handling requirements, zoning codes, etc., then you
are in violation. ATCC has been known to go after students, for
example, who bought organisms (which I think were only BS-1), and they
literally made a federal case out of it citing mail fraud, etc. It's
best to be totally open about who you are and learn what the legal,
not to mention common sensical, limits are to what you are wanting to
do.

[Nathan McCorkle]

So if your company was "XYZ Research", and you were using the
chemicals for research (doing the research yourself, as the sole
proprietor)... how would it be fraud?

[ruphos]

The question would be: did you really create a company called "XYZ Research" or did you just say you had a company named "XYZ Research". Then if you as a business entity exist properly they could decide to check if your place of business (i.e., apartment) is zoned correctly for biological / medical research. If it's not, they could make a very public case about these "DIY people" using unsafe chemicals in residential neighborhoods, why do they think they're above the laws regulating other companies, etc.

"And if ye cannot be saints of knowledge, then be at least its warriors."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

[John Griessen]

On 10/28/2010 12:55 PM, ruphos wrote:
> bought organisms (which I think were only BS-1), and they
> > literally made a federal case out of it citing mail fraud, etc.

I'm not suggesting to go around any kind of law, I'm suggesting
to be in business on a small scale to support your hobby. To
get distributors to sell you things like sodium carbonate.
To get a sales tax number.

What was the federal case based on? Did this trigger some of the new US
anti terrorist laws?

JG

[Cory Tobin]

> get distributors to sell you things like sodium carbonate.

Off topic, but if you need sodium carbonate you can find it at
hardware stores or possibly the grocery store, it goes by the name
'washing soda'
http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3549579&CAWELAID=351933682

-Cory

[ByoWired]

On Oct 28, 1:55 pm, ruphos <apokrup...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...they could decide to check if your place of

> business (i.e., apartment) is zoned correctly for biological / medical
> research. If it's not, they could make a very public case about these "DIY

> people" using unsafe chemicals in residential neighborhoods...

ruphos makes a very good point here.
If you live in an apartment, you can practically be certain you aren't
zoned for business, at least not the business of doing R and D.
In fact, even having your lab in an area zoned "Business" or
"Commercial" is often not good enough. Very often the zoning must be
"Industrial" or, in some cases, specifically R and D.
In other words, starting an official business of doing laboratory
research in your apartment is almost certainly against zoning, if
nothing else. And even if you rent space in a business district (for
example, an office) , that might also be a violation of zoning. You
really have to do your homework to find out what you're allowed to do
and where you're allowed to do it.

[Nathan McCorkle]

Yes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Kurtz#Arrest

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[John Griessen]

On 10/28/2010 03:39 PM, Nathan McCorkle wrote:
>> Did this trigger some of the new US
>> > anti terrorist laws?
>> >
> Yes:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Kurtz#Arrest

Hmmm...sounds almost as bad as the researcher who misplaced the pathogens.

Googling about MTAs I found this policy by ten universities to simplify sending
"non-hazardous or non-human biological materials for in vitro research" using a blanket
statement to cover the need for an MTA for them. It also talks of suggesting to use the policy
in "sponsored agreements", which i guess means "for profit"

http://www.stanford.edu/group/ICO/researchAdmins/documents/MTA5-14-09.pdf

but, JH U wants to negotiate for weeks for $$s for an agreement...if you are a for profit.

http://www.techtransfer.jhu.edu/initiateAgreement/mtapaper.html

Sounds tough to collaborate with university scientists as any kind of for profit,
and probably as an unincorporated individual researcher also, since they would not assume you
are a non-profit corp.

John Griessen

[John Griessen]

On 10/28/2010 12:39 PM, ByoWired wrote:
> ATCC has been known to go after students, for
> example, who bought organisms (which I think were only BS-1), and they
> literally made a federal case out of it citing mail fraud, etc.

I found this FAQ that might have to do with the court cases for live cells,
even if non-hazardous:

http://www.pitt.edu/~offres/ResContracts/MTA-FAQ.html
"MTAs address the issues of liability, publication, and intellectual property rights that may result from the research. In
addition, concerns such as limits on the use of the materials are frequently included in MTAs. The understanding established by
the MTA can help avoid later issues and ensure the collaborative nature of the research"

So each MTA for a cell culture is a legal rights document.

John Griessen

[Aaron Hicks]

And some 64 hits on eBay for "sodium carbonate."

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=sodium+carbonate

Many compounds can be had from eBay in this fashion.

-AJ

[Meredith L. Patterson]

They've also happily shipped to my US address without any mention of a company or educational institution.

Cheers,
--mlp

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