Round 3212: INDAGATE [Call for votes]

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Paul Keating

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Nov 28, 2021, 3:30:04 PM11/28/21
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After a somewhat fraught definition phase, I am now happy to present 14 definitions of indagate. Some of them have come from players’ imaginations, some have come from dictionaries, and one even comes from a dictionary article about the word indagate. Please vote for the ones that appeal to you: vote early, vote twice, in reply to this post, by the deadline, which is Tuesday 30 November 21h30 CET, or earlier if all submitters get their votes in before that.

 1. [Catalan] Mount Etna.
 2. A hermaphrodite penguin.
 3. To save up, as for future use.
 4. Shaped like a paw, said of some leaves.
 5. Scottish.
 An uninteresting topic of conversation.
 6. Filtration process used in the food services industry to filter, clean and recycle cooking oil.
 7. A type of gate formerly used in cattle ranching, functioning like a valve, allowing cattle into a pen but not back out of it.
 8. A logic circuit whose output is True if all its inputs are True or if at most one is False. [acronym of i
ndependent nor-dependent and gate, from an early implementation].
 9. An incompletely dominant coat color pattern characterized by irregularly shaped patches of diluted pigment and solid color.
10. A red gemstone; basically agate colored by indium bromide.
11. Bot.
 Of leaves: smooth, lacking indentations.
12. A nondescript, a something-or-other.
13. To search into, investigate.
14. Foul, abusive language.

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Fein, Deborah

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Nov 28, 2021, 3:35:37 PM11/28/21
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I love the visual order.
I'll go for the leaves (4 and 11).
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Tim Bourne

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Nov 28, 2021, 4:58:47 PM11/28/21
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4 and 10, please.

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Debbie Embler

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10 and 11, stabbing in the dark. 

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Daniel B Widdis

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Nov 28, 2021, 6:54:18 PM11/28/21
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8 for the interesting etymology and 12 for the use of something-or-other.

 

Judy Madnick

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Nov 28, 2021, 8:00:04 PM11/28/21
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 4. Shaped like a paw, said of some leaves.
and
11. Bot. Of leaves: smooth, lacking indentations.
 
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nancygoat

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Nov 28, 2021, 11:40:20 PM11/28/21
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I'll take 9 and 11, please.

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Ann Druce

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Nov 29, 2021, 3:03:23 AM11/29/21
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8 and 10 for me!

 

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Subject: [Dixonary] Round 3212: INDAGATE [Call for votes]

 

After a somewhat fraught definition phase, I am now happy to present 14 definitions of indagate. Some of them have come from players’ imaginations, some have come from dictionaries, and one even comes from a dictionary article about the word indagate. Please vote for the ones that appeal to you: vote early, vote twice, in reply to this post, by the deadline, which is Tuesday 30 November 21h30 CET, or earlier if all submitters get their votes in before that.

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Tim Lodge

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Nov 29, 2021, 7:43:07 AM11/29/21
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I can't think why Catalan should have a different name for Etna, but it's so unlikely that I'll vote for it, alomg with the vague somthing-or-other:  1 and 12 please.

           1. [Catalan] Mount Etna.

          12. A nondescript, a something-or-other. 

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France International/Mike Shefler

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Nov 29, 2021, 10:50:52 AM11/29/21
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I'll go with 4 and 11.

Efrem G Mallach

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Nov 29, 2021, 12:37:48 PM11/29/21
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I'll take advantage of the rule that lets people comment on their reasoning, and knowing that most submitters have voted, to make (mostly disparaging) comments about the defs. In so doing, I have undoubtedly disparaged the real one.

Anyhow, based on the reasoning below and encouraged by their being vox pop, I'll go with the leaves: 4 and 11.

Efrem

On Nov 28, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Paul Keating <dixo...@boargules.com> wrote:

After a somewhat fraught definition phase, I am now happy to present 14 definitions of indagate. Some of them have come from players’ imaginations, some have come from dictionaries, and one even comes from a dictionary article about the word indagate. Please vote for the ones that appeal to you: vote early, vote twice, in reply to this post, by the deadline, which is Tuesday 30 November 21h30 CET
, or earlier if all submitters get their votes in before that.

 1. [Catalan] Mount Etna.
If we allow non-English proper nouns that name natural features, then anything goes. How about the Nepali name for Mount Everest, or the Aboriginal name for Botany Bay? (They're Sagarmatha and Kamay, if anyone cares.) Could someone deal either of those, or anything else along those lines?
 2. A hermaphrodite penguin. How would anyone know? Or care enough to invent a word for it, let alone one that is so specific as not to apply to other hermaphrodite birds?
 3. To save up, as for future use. There are other perfectly good Anglo-Saxon words for this.
 4. Shaped like a paw, said of some leaves. This one is at least possible.
 5. Scottish. An uninteresting topic of conversation. So is this one, if less plausible.
 6. Filtration process used in the food services industry to filter, clean and recycle cooking oil. I guess that process exists, and would have a name, but would its name sound like a word? Wouldn't it be more likely to be named for a person or a company?
 7. A type of gate formerly used in cattle ranching, functioning like a valve, allowing cattle into a pen but not back out of it. Too obviously derived from the word elements - and like one of the NADs.
 8. A logic circuit whose output is True if all its inputs are True or if at most one is False. [acronym of independent nor-dependent and gate, from an early implementation]. Also plausible, though probably too nerdy for this dealer. I'd jump on it if Dan W., for example, had dealt this round.
 9. An incompletely dominant coat color pattern characterized by irregularly shaped patches of diluted pigment and solid color. What does "incompletely dominant" mean? Not saying it's not real; I just don't know. And is it an animal's coat, a coat of paint, or human outerwear? I think a dictionary would specify.
10. A red gemstone; basically agate colored by indium bromide. I doubt a dictionary would use "basically."
11. Bot. Of leaves: smooth, lacking indentations. Also possible. Probably not close enough to #4 to combine - or is it?
12. A nondescript, a something-or-other. I share the general amusement at "something-or-other." To me that's strikes one, two and three against it. (Apologies to non-Yanks for the baseball metaphor.)
13. To search into, investigate. Too similar to the mystery word.
14. Foul, abusive language. Seems too derived from "billingsgate."

Johnb - co.uk

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Nov 29, 2021, 12:59:14 PM11/29/21
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For the record, Johnny sent this vote to me and not the group:

second and penultimate for me... that is #2 and #13 please
JohnnyB




Tony Abell

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Nov 29, 2021, 1:11:35 PM11/29/21
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I'll toss my votes away on 1 and 9:

> 1. [Catalan] Mount Etna.

Shani Naylor

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Nov 30, 2021, 12:38:18 AM11/30/21
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I'll vote for  3 & 10, but none of them look right. 



Paul Keating

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Nov 30, 2021, 6:11:10 PM11/30/21
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This remark of Efrem’s may have been a purely rhetorical question:

1. [Catalan] Mount Etna. If we allow non-English proper nouns that name natural features, then anything goes. How about the Nepali name for Mount Everest, or the Aboriginal name for Botany Bay? (They’re Sagarmatha and Kamay, if anyone cares.) Could someone deal either of those, or anything else along those lines?

but, literal-minded programmer that I am, I will respond anyway.


There was a nearly parallel case in round 974, dealt by Toni Savage. The Word was tedesco and the dictionary definition, from Chambers, was 

German [It.]


The OED (from 1911) is a little more expansive: 

The Italian word for German; esp. used to express Teutonic influence as shown in some spheres of Italian art.


As a sidelight on this: Italian-speaking Swiss use Svizzera tedesca to refer to German-speaking Switzerland. 

The parallel is not exact, being an ethnonym rather than a toponym, but I think it is close. So, such a word has been played, and by a dealer whom the players subsequently elected to the post of Rules Momma.

There isn’t really a question whether a borrowed ethnonym or toponym is a suitable choice. We accept any word that comes from a respectable source. And anyway, this remark isn’t about the dictionary definition, but about a fake. There is no rule that requires fake definitions to have to have a respectable provenance; the point of the game is that they don’t. The “Real” Rules remark that it is acceptable play to offer as a definition evident nonsense whose appeal to voters may lie solely in its comic effect (186).

France International/Mike Shefler

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Nov 30, 2021, 6:21:38 PM11/30/21
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IIRc it was Theresa Carey who was the Rules Mom.

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Efrem G Mallach

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Nov 30, 2021, 9:32:28 PM11/30/21
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Paul,

I can't argue with that, nor would I want to, but two thoughts:

(1) "Tedesco" is used in English in the context of Italian art that reflects, in some way, German influence or German style. I would accept it for that reason.

(2) I wasn't saying one can't offer such defs as fakes. I was just using this one's nature as a reason to consider it to be a fake. AFAIK, the Catalan name of Mt. Etna, if it has one, isn't used in English, so it should not (IMHO) qualify as dealable even though anything goes with fakes.

FWIW, I also disparaged the real meaning - as I thought I would - but for a different reason!

Efrem

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