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Janet Gregory
Jul 28, 2010, 3:30:41 PM7/28/10
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Women in technology blog post with a lot of comments - for and against .. kinda like what we expereinced.
Yves Hanoulle
Jul 29, 2010, 3:34:34 AM7/29/10
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yes the most interesting comment for me is:
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>>Obviously it’s even deeper: I wasn’t sure how to translate “the strong sex” from my native language to English, so I used Google’s translator for that, the result was “male”…
Women in technology blog post with a lot of comments - for and against .. kinda like what we expereinced.
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Deborah (Hartmann) Preuss
Jul 29, 2010, 6:22:32 AM7/29/10
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No one believes me, but in biology, "the weaker sex" is male (in terms
of survival, I.e. although human conception should be 50-50, only 49%
of live births are male.) Not that it really matters in this context.
#arcanefacts
of survival, I.e. although human conception should be 50-50, only 49%
of live births are male.) Not that it really matters in this context.
#arcanefacts
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Yves Hanoulle
Jul 29, 2010, 6:46:16 AM7/29/10
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that is what I am telling my kids a lot...
Mike Sutton
Jul 29, 2010, 6:49:52 AM7/29/10
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I believe you Debs.
There is a truth in all this , its all around us - but most folk in
tech (and management) seem to be waiting for the scientific evidence
to say conclusively.
I see women in all walks of like , in many countries striving and
taking huge responsibilities for families and often for earning the
bread and I *know* beyond a shadow that I couldn't work that hard,
feel that much and still function well.
And on the subject of biology - I spent a good part of 5 days (a few
weeks ago) completely blown away by the huge biological changes in
physiology and hormones that women go through, several times in their
lifetimes - not by choice but by biology.
As a father of 2 girls who are on the doorstep of womanhood - I know
they are going to be experiencing changes in their bodies and minds
far more than I or most men ever did/will. If experiences that don't
kill us , make us stronger - then women are stronger by these
biological experiences than men (we - men, do not have changes of
comparative magnitude).
Pile on this the social experiences and increased capacity that women
have been shown to have in absorbing information about a situation -
information that most men are not even able to know is there! ( l
learnt this from John Medina's Brain Rules - and I experimented
unscientifically with this !)
The women vs men debate is futile - its a waste of time. What is far
more valuable is to explore each other's strengths and weaknesses and
ensure that as a team , our combined strengths are amplified and our
weaknesses minimised.
On that note. I'm off.
Mike
D.André Dhondt
Jul 29, 2010, 7:12:38 AM7/29/10
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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Mike Sutton <wize...@gmail.com> wrote:
The women vs men debate is futile
Agreed. Saying one sex is stronger than the other is unproductive as well. It falls into the Victorian pedestalization mindset, and is just as oppressive: "oh, don't swear in front of a woman, she's too pure". To judge that she's pure, strong, virtuous, better--just irrelevant.
The point is to find people that are worthy of more attention, who are doing good work, and aren't getting noticed by the current power structures. We can do that without value judgments about men or women.
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Diana
Jul 29, 2010, 12:16:46 PM7/29/10
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While we notice that one sex or the other is stronger in one situation/
dimension or another, the truth is we can't get along without each
other. So, to me, it's a question of how do we amplify the "both/and"
instead of the either/or - a false dichotomy. (Though certainly it's
how we're trained to think.)
(Which sends me down another path about being trained to think in a
way that lies to me about the systemic nature of my life and the
planet I live on...but that's another discussion for another list.)
Efforts and initiatives like this integrated group has taken on give
me hope that we can find the both/and, the collaborative space where
all our generalized and individual strengths are celebrated, honored
and exerted for the benefit of all.
What an interesting discussion! :)
Diana
(Coming out of my lurker hole for just a moment, then popping back in.
Can't wait to see the exhibit and some of you at the conference! More
juicy discussions to come.)
On Jul 29, 3:46 am, Yves Hanoulle <Mail...@ObjectSoft.be> wrote:
> that is what I am telling my kids a lot...
>
> y
>
> 2010/7/29 Deborah (Hartmann) Preuss <deborahpre...@gmail.com>
> > > house.
> > > WebExpo (23,25 September 2010, Prague)http://webexpo.net/
> > > Agile Eastern Europe (8-10 October 2010, Kiev)http://www.agileee.org/
> house.
> WebExpo (23,25 September 2010, Prague)http://webexpo.net/
> Agile Eastern Europe (8-10 October 2010, Kiev)http://www.agileee.org/
dimension or another, the truth is we can't get along without each
other. So, to me, it's a question of how do we amplify the "both/and"
instead of the either/or - a false dichotomy. (Though certainly it's
how we're trained to think.)
(Which sends me down another path about being trained to think in a
way that lies to me about the systemic nature of my life and the
planet I live on...but that's another discussion for another list.)
Efforts and initiatives like this integrated group has taken on give
me hope that we can find the both/and, the collaborative space where
all our generalized and individual strengths are celebrated, honored
and exerted for the benefit of all.
What an interesting discussion! :)
Diana
(Coming out of my lurker hole for just a moment, then popping back in.
Can't wait to see the exhibit and some of you at the conference! More
juicy discussions to come.)
On Jul 29, 3:46 am, Yves Hanoulle <Mail...@ObjectSoft.be> wrote:
> that is what I am telling my kids a lot...
>
> y
>
>
>
>
> > No one believes me, but in biology, "the weaker sex" is male (in terms
> > of survival, I.e. although human conception should be 50-50, only 49%
> > of live births are male.) Not that it really matters in this context.
> > #arcanefacts
>
>
>
> > No one believes me, but in biology, "the weaker sex" is male (in terms
> > of survival, I.e. although human conception should be 50-50, only 49%
> > of live births are male.) Not that it really matters in this context.
> > #arcanefacts
>
> > On 7/29/10, Yves Hanoulle <Mail...@objectsoft.be> wrote:
> > > yes the most interesting comment for me is:
>
> > >>>Obviously it’s even deeper: I wasn’t sure how to translate “the strong
> > > sex” from my native language to English, so I used Google’s translator
> > for
> > > that, the result was “male”…
>
> > > 2010/7/28 Janet Gregory <janet_greg...@shaw.ca>
> > > yes the most interesting comment for me is:
>
> > >>>Obviously it’s even deeper: I wasn’t sure how to translate “the strong
> > > sex” from my native language to English, so I used Google’s translator
> > for
> > > that, the result was “male”…
>
>
> > >> Women in technology blog post with a lot of comments - for and against
> > ..
> > >> kinda like what we expereinced.
>
> >http://www.linkedin.com/news?viewArticle=&articleID=159383673&gid=177...
> > >> Women in technology blog post with a lot of comments - for and against
> > ..
> > >> kinda like what we expereinced.
>
>
> > > --
> > > Yves Hanoulle
> > > Agile Coach EMEA
>
> > > FR +33 6 03 40 38 00
> > > BEL +32 9 277 91 99 (Arrives on France Cellphone)
>
> > > Blog:www.Hanoulle.be
> > > Agile Games:http://groups.google.com/group/agilegames/
> > > See you at:
>
> > > Agile 2010www.agile2010.orgWhat I learned from burning down my parents
> > > --
> > > Yves Hanoulle
> > > Agile Coach EMEA
>
> > > FR +33 6 03 40 38 00
> > > BEL +32 9 277 91 99 (Arrives on France Cellphone)
>
> > > Blog:www.Hanoulle.be
> > > Agile Games:http://groups.google.com/group/agilegames/
> > > See you at:
>
> > > house.
> > > WebExpo (23,25 September 2010, Prague)http://webexpo.net/
> > > Agile Eastern Europe (8-10 October 2010, Kiev)http://www.agileee.org/
> > > XPDay Benelux (25-26 November 2010)www.xpday.be
>
> > --
> > Sent from my mobile device
>
> > Deborah (Hartmann) Preuss
> > Karlsruhe, Germany
> > mobile: +49.151.50.66.09.40
> >www.deborahpreuss.com
> > d...@deborahpreuss.com
>
> --
> Yves Hanoulle
> Agile Coach EMEA
>
> FR +33 6 03 40 38 00
> BEL +32 9 277 91 99 (Arrives on France Cellphone)
>
> Blog:www.Hanoulle.be
> Agile Games:http://groups.google.com/group/agilegames/
> See you at:
>
> Agile 2010www.agile2010.orgWhat I learned from burning down my parents
>
> > --
> > Sent from my mobile device
>
> > Deborah (Hartmann) Preuss
> > Karlsruhe, Germany
> > mobile: +49.151.50.66.09.40
> >www.deborahpreuss.com
> > d...@deborahpreuss.com
>
> --
> Yves Hanoulle
> Agile Coach EMEA
>
> FR +33 6 03 40 38 00
> BEL +32 9 277 91 99 (Arrives on France Cellphone)
>
> Blog:www.Hanoulle.be
> Agile Games:http://groups.google.com/group/agilegames/
> See you at:
>
> house.
> WebExpo (23,25 September 2010, Prague)http://webexpo.net/
> Agile Eastern Europe (8-10 October 2010, Kiev)http://www.agileee.org/
Lisa Crispin
Jul 29, 2010, 1:06:08 PM7/29/10
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I don't know how much of an exhibit we are going to have at the conference. Mike and I are madly interviewing, but we've only completed one recorded interview. We should have a few more by next week, but I don't know how much time Mike has to edit them (I suppose we could put them out un-edited, probably they'd be fine, but they might be long).
And while we have talked about some ideas for a booth or for open jam sessions, nothing has been firmed up and now I worry it might be too late to even get the materials we need. I'd like to have some space somewhere with whiteboards or big sheets of paper and post-its for people to share their thoughts and experiences, and get a dialog going. It would be nice to have pictures and bios of the women we are interviewing, but we haven't even asked them yet for pictures.
The stories of these women are truly compelling and I hope we can get at least some of them up in front of the conference participants.
-- Lisa--
Lisa Crispin
Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009)
Contributor to _Beautiful Testing_ (O'Reilly 2009)
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And while we have talked about some ideas for a booth or for open jam sessions, nothing has been firmed up and now I worry it might be too late to even get the materials we need. I'd like to have some space somewhere with whiteboards or big sheets of paper and post-its for people to share their thoughts and experiences, and get a dialog going. It would be nice to have pictures and bios of the women we are interviewing, but we haven't even asked them yet for pictures.
The stories of these women are truly compelling and I hope we can get at least some of them up in front of the conference participants.
-- Lisa
Lisa Crispin
Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009)
Contributor to _Beautiful Testing_ (O'Reilly 2009)
http://lisacrispin.com
@lisacrispin on Twitter
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