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Kevin
You are correct that it is difficult to detect non-uniform
distribution of animals with respect to transects from distance
sampling data alone. Collection of ancillary data, as described
by Marques et al. (2010, 2013).
I suspect your transects are a) not terribly numerous and/or b) not randomly placed (because you discard transects that cross water bodies, correct?). You might overcome some of the non-uniform distribution difficulty by having perhaps shorter transects that intersect water bodies, like this

That creates more off-effort for field workers to get around
water bodies, but may reduce some non-uniformity. Increased
number of transects, by sheer replication, should enhance the
chances of conforming to the uniformity of animals w.r.t.
transects design assumption.
Marques, T. A., Buckland, S. T., Bispo, R., & Howland, B.
(2013). Accounting for animal density gradients using independent
information in distance sampling surveys. Statistical Methods
& Applications, 22(1), 67-80.
https://doi.org/10.1007/s10260-012-0223-2
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Just adding to Eric’s comments, you would then exclude the water bodies from your study area. And one more comment: for walked line transects, you should not include birds in flight in your analysis. The method assumes that the observer’s speed is appreciably greater than the average speed of the animals. For flying birds, this is clearly not the case, and including them will give you density estimates that are biased high.
Steve Buckland
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Just adding to Eric’s comments, you would then exclude the water bodies from your study area. And one more comment: for walked line transects, you should not include birds in flight in your analysis. The method assumes that the observer’s speed is appreciably greater than the average speed of the animals. For flying birds, this is clearly not the case, and including them will give you density estimates that are biased high.
Steve Buckland
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Sent: 04 June 2019 10:40
To: Kevin Hawkshaw <hawk...@ualberta.ca>; distance-sampling <distance...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [distance-sampling] line transects in areas with lakes
Kevin
You are correct that it is difficult to detect non-uniform distribution of animals with respect to transects from distance sampling data alone. Collection of ancillary data, as described by Marques et al. (2010, 2013).
I suspect your transects are a) not terribly numerous and/or b) not randomly placed (because you discard transects that cross water bodies, correct?). You might overcome some of the non-uniform distribution difficulty by having perhaps shorter transects that intersect water bodies, like this
That creates more off-effort for field workers to get around water bodies, but may reduce some non-uniformity. Increased number of transects, by sheer replication, should enhance the chances of conforming to the uniformity of animals w.r.t. transects design assumption.
Marques, T. A., S. T. Buckland, D. L. Borchers, D. Tosh, and R. A. McDonald. 2010. Point Transect Sampling Along Linear Features. Biometrics 66:1247–1255.
Marques, T. A., Buckland, S. T., Bispo, R., & Howland, B. (2013). Accounting for animal density gradients using independent information in distance sampling surveys. Statistical Methods & Applications, 22(1), 67-80. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10260-012-0223-2
On 04/06/2019 04:33, Kevin Hawkshaw wrote:
Hi there,
If you were conducting line transects for terrestrial birds in an area in with many small lakes and ponds, it seems possible for the distribution of birds to be non uniform with respect to the transect line, since on average the lake shores are going to be on average some distance away from the transects (assuming the observer is not walking through the lakes) and your terrestrial species cannot occupy the water. It's a bit more complicated and may not be as much an issue cause you may detect birds flying over the lake too, but it's possible that on average your bird locations could be biased towards the transect line since distance to a lake would be an upper cap on the distance you could detect a bird at.
Could you diagnose this potential problem by fitting the detection function with a covariate for distance to the nearest lake? Expecting that for surveys closer to lakes that the detection function would be more left-shifted (detection distances smaller)? I dont think you could use this to correct counts, but just as an exploratory measure?
I hope I explained the potential problem well enough.
Thanks for your help,
Kevin
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