It LOOKS as though the Nesting application has started a new background application process, but has attached itself to the first instance of Inventor which has the wrong project file - hence the file resolution errors. This also explains why the dialogue boxes appeared on top of the first instance - where I wasn't even using the nesting utility...
I am using nesting, for the first time, to work out how many sheets of plywood we need on a job. One of the items is a trapezoid 1398mm x 2990mm so it will fit on the 1500mm x 3000mm sheet but the nesting software keeps saying the part may not fit on any nest & leaves it off. I have tried to alter the orientation by adding Deviation & increments to the Shape properties but it has no effect. Does anyone know how to get the part included into the nesting study?
I would look at your lead in's and lead out's lengths. If there are close or touching the edge some nesting software will "error". I am sorry I don't use this nesting software so I can't test this idea out.
I am using Inventor for woodworking and have been running into an issue using the nesting utility to get an idea of material needs. I model everything as a solid multibody which is then made into components at which time a sheet metal template is assigned to each body of the model to assign it's thickness for the nesting utility to read it correctly. An illogic code runs in each file that is executed from the top level assembly that automates the flat pattern process. This has worked successfully using traditional assemblies, but I have been running into issues with multi-body models where each model gives as error that "A dependency is out-of-date", I'm guessing because everything is derived off of a base component.
Does anyone have advice on how to get past this error or what may be causing it? 100% accurate nests are definitely not necessary, but it could greatly speed up estimating and material ordering to have at least a pretty good idea of how much board to order. Any advice on woodworking with the nesting utility and multi-body modeling?
Q2: your workflow to create components from a multi-body part, results in derived parts that only contain a body.
In order for the nesting utility to recognize that body, you will have to make sure that you are using a Generic CAD provider. Can you verify on the ribbon Manage > Providers if the Generic CAD provider is checked for IPT files?
The bigger problem I see with your workflow is that that body more than likely will NOT be the flat body you are after, but will be the folded body unless your last feature in the parent part would be an Unfold feature to which you then later can apply a projected sketch in the derived part. That projected sketch can be recognized by nesting utility.
Dumb it down or remove features if you want to protect intellectual property.
Looking at your problem from a distance without having a file to test, it does not sound right to me that a sheet metal part with an Unfold feature in it (I think that is what you mean with "unbend") would not be recognized in nesting when treating it as a generic part.
Some of the custom materials do not get recognized during import. See also attached screenshot.
So it is a problem with mapping Inventor materials for nesting and not a multi-body problem IMO.
I don't have an immediate solution for you but logged a defect in our database so that our developers could look at it. For your reference the defect number is TRUNINV-2165.
Nesting is a process by which flat part profiles are positioned in an optimal way in order to reduce the waste of raw material. Inventor Nesting is CAD-embedded, true-shape nesting software that helps you optimize yield from flat raw material by optimally laying flat patterns on a sheet of raw material such as sheet metal, wood panels and others. This course will introduce you to the workflows associated with creating, modifying and exporting a nesting study within Inventor Nesting.
Now i need to create a sketch on one face of the slice. Then export the sketch as dxf. change all the splines to polylines. Then import the dxf into a nest. and then when the nesting is done i use this to use the actual freeform slices to make a similar nest manually by adding all the slices to an assembly.
I have been trying to get inventor nesting to import an assemble for the better part of the past 5 or so hours. Initially when I tried to import the assembly, the utility would think for about 5-10min then spit out nothing. The nesting tab wouldn't show any geometry sources. No errors or warnings. Nothing. I tried many things like deleting bolts and anything that wasn't sheet metal to try and get it to work.
Eventually I went back to an old nesting file I had made with an earlier version the assembly. Here when I tried to refresh the nest the program actually gave an error: Reload Error: Internal COM Error. I little more digging and it seems this error is only on iParts (The table that generates files). I have also tried importing the iPart directly into a new nesting file and the issue persists. Is this a limitation of the software? Can we not use iParts? If not how can the issue be resolved?
I'm trying to find out if there is a way to optimize inventor nesting. Currently I have some round plates that i am trying to fit on a sheet. Inventor seems to only be able to fit 9 per sheet (see below).
This is a common observation with users of random part nesting. While random part nesting is great at finding solutions to general problems with lots of variety in parts, there are special cases like the one you have here where it does not work as well. You have essentially found a special case where a completely different nesting algorithm is more ideal than the random part nesting algorithm we're using in the Inventor Nesting product. Random part nesting would be a much better solution if there were several different shapes rather than just one being repeated. There are many scenarios of one shape other than just a circle where random part nesting will not give you the optimal result, and that actually isn't unusual for random part nesting algorithms.
While we have included the True-Shape nesting algorithm into Inventor Nesting, we have not included the other three (yet), which are designed for more niche manufacturing processes or are designed for more specific geometry scenarios.
In this particular case, the Part Packing algorithm would be more suitable, as it is designed to find repeatable patterns that are optimally designed for high volume of one or two parts. It would come up with a solution similar to what you have shown in your solution, which random part nesting will not. Here's an example of part packing on something a little more complex than a circle:
I don't want to go into tons of detail about the math and why it is the way it is, but there is a good reason why you see the behavior you do with random part nesting. I hope this assures that if you were using more than one part, random part nesting will do a better job than you can by hand, and if you were using part packing, it would likely outperform anything you can do by hand in the single part scenario as well.
You mentioned a while ago the nesting algorithms for inventor. Is there any news on the ,,sheer cutting,, or saw cutting ? It would be a great asset for my work flow and at the moment as far i know it only supports ,,true nest,,
We had a great audience on the day, who were enthusiastic and engaged in the topic. I was worried that the intro was a bit long, but it did seem to help people understand what applications nesting can be used for and what Inventor is capable of.
The feedback was positive, people seemed eager to get back and use the skills learned. There were many people that stayed after to ask follow up questions and were generally interested in the capabilities for nesting.
Ravi is a Product Manager at Autodesk. Ravi graduated from Stevens Institute of Technology with BE in Mechanical Engineering (concentration in robotics and mechatronics) and a ME in Engineering Mgmt/Systems Engineering. He pursued his interest in Advanced Manufacturing while working with Magestic Systems Inc. which was later acquired by Autodesk in July 2014. Ravi has developed his expertise in nesting, cutting, and fabrication while working with various customers.
As a manufacturer of any product, you may like to turn your ideas into machined parts using a familiar interface. Manufacturing sheet metal models no longer have to be a difficult and challenging process involving multiple platforms. Using Inventor software as a single system, as part of the Product Design & Manufacturing Collection, you can complete the whole process with Inventor Nesting and Inventor CAM. With Inventor Nesting, you can optimize yield from flat raw material. Nesting studies also can be used to create and then update to reflect any changes to the design to optimize efficiency and reduce costs. After nesting, you can use Inventor CAM to create the computer numerical control (CNC) code that will ultimately turn Inventor designs into excellent finished parts. This class will share best practices for preparing your model, for using nesting to layout cutting patterns and minimize raw material waste, and for generating a toolpath for machining.
Hello, I would like to know if it is possible with inventor and nesting utility, to nest wood panel that has milled lowering or speciale holes, i mean, i know that nesting utility is more efficient with sheet metal, but if i would to nest wood panel lowered and then create the 3d model of the nested panel, can i create the cnc program with the Inventor hsm module? Thank you so much. I am attaching some wood panel with lowerings.
Both for wood or metal, nesting utility uses a 2D shape to do the nesting. So inevitably some of the 2 1/2 D information like lowered (grooves) or raised areas of the part will get lost in the nesting process.
The only workaround I can think of, involves the use of DXF files and a lot of manual labor, not sure if it will appeal to you. But here it goes: