Skyrim Se Amorous Adventures Quest List

[Gaetan Boren]

Forthis playthrough I installed yer unofficial skyrim patches. I just completed "Laid to Rest". Usually, I kill Alva while I'm fighting through Movarth's lair, but this time I decided to let her live, because reasons. It wasn't difficult, because she was sleeping while I was killing everyone else in there. I was being stealthy, so she was never alerted/awakened.

So I kill Movarth, leave and head back to Morthal. My bags are full and it's the wee hours, so after I wake the Jarl and complete the quest, I decide to sleep in the Inn until the shop opens. When I wake up, Alva is in the inn and starts attacking Lurbuk and the innkeeper!

So I say, okay fine, I won't go into the inn. I load a save file and instead of going to the Inn, I sleep in the Jarl's bed. I wake up and leave the hall, Alva is attacking the guards out on the street.

So now I'm flustered because I really did want to keep Alva alive this time. I load the earlier save and try traveling to Whiterun and sleeping there for a week. Surely by now, Alva will have settled back in to mortal life. (The UESP states she is supposed to do so)

I never knew it was possible to save her. If I don't poke her in her house she ends up getting killed in the lair. It states on the UESP that the USKP makes her hostile when she is in the lair so i'd argue the statement that says otherwise after that is not taking it into account. I'd say this is normal.

I can confirm that this is as intended: once she goes into the vampire lair, she's supposed to behave like any other random vampire would, there's no way you can realistically keep her alive now, which makes sense given that the Jarl isn't likely to pardon her after her crimes.

I don't see how you "can confirm" that, since I just demonstrated that you can keep her alive. She was sleeping in a bed while I was clearing out the rest of the lair. The other random vampires in there don't sleep.

Also, given the fact that she returns to town after the quest is over, and given that her vanilla behavior is to NOT be hostile to the townsfolk, I would say that she is indeed supposed to be able to resume her normal life as a town resident. Indeed, when I left the area and came back an ingame week later, she came out of her house to attack the town.

We could debate the point of whether the Jarl would pardon her. On one hand, when presented with Alva's journal, the Jarl seems none too pleased with her. But on the other hand, once the heat of the moment is past, one would likely realize that all of this is ultimately the doing of Movarth, and that she was acting under his influence, if not control. Her journal makes it pretty clear that she had a severe personality shift once Movarth got to her. Also, Mortal is home to a mage who can cure vampirism..

Interesting, so she returned to town after sleeping in the cave? I think I've seen one other vampire sleep on the bed in there too, I would have to try that quest again though. Might actually be a bug with her returning to town, given what Arth mentioned I'm not sure she should be attempting to come back in the first place.

Getting onto the debate of the pardoning: She is still a Vampire, still needs to feed and Morthal is obviously the closest source of human blood so what is to stop her from doing some other grandiose plan involving the townsfolk? So it doesn't even matter if she was influenced or not by Movarth. When you are a Vampire, you become a target. Other Vampires are targets of radiant quests. The Dawnguard and the Vigilants of Stendarr hunt Vampires because they want to protect Tamriel. They are not appreciated because it all boils down to them still feeding on people. Take Sybille Stentor, the court mage of Solitude. She is a vampire and she feeds on the prisoners of Solitude, but not everyone knows it so she has been pardoned because of her service to the High King of Solitude. Though she is still feeding on people, who may have just stolen a cheese wheel to feed their family (which wound them up in prison). Sybille too could go see the Mage in Morthal about curing her vampirism, but she chooses not to, just like Alva. If word got out Sybille was a vampire, the people of Solitude would be in an uproar because she is a vampire. The Jarl choosing not to pardon Alva because she is a vampire is logical, whether or not she was influenced by Movarth, because she will still feed on people.

Second, if Alva wasn't supposed to be able to survive the events of the purge of Movarth's lair, why does she return to town after the quest is over? If she was just supposed to be considered an enemy from there on, why didn't Bethesda set the cave to be her permanent home, and then be cleaned up when the dungeon resets?

I believe the fact that Alva returns to town in the vanilla version of the game is sufficient evidence that Alva was being influenced by Movarth, and is no longer under his influence after his death, and she then wants to return to a normal life in Morthal (Just like Hroggar was under Alva's influence, and the spell is broken after Movarth dies - Presumably, Alva releases him). It seems likely that she would seek out Falion's assistance, or surrender to the Jarl for help and then be referred to Falion.

@Arthmoor, I am not 'bending' the quest. I am not doing anything creative. All I did was do the quest, and it happened to be during nighttime hours (a highly likely occurrence considering the earlier stage involving the child's ghost can only be completed at night). I played through the quest as a stealth type character, but I did not need to turn myself invisible to get past her or do anything weird. She was simply sleeping as I killed the other vampires and thralls nearby, and didn't wake up to attack, so I didn't feel the need to go out of my way to kill her. And it was perfectly possible to do this same thing in vanilla.

And so I find your statement a bit unsettling. "She is not intended to return to her normal life, period." Based on what? Because you said so? There is evidence from vanilla that she is; the only reason she doesn't is because of something your mod changes.

Simple: Based on the fact that she does, and always has, gone totally ape shit once returning to town. That is not a normal response by any means because it will have the effect of dragging guards into the fight and then you have a full on town melee on your hands.

She did not 'go totally ape shit once returning to town'. Otherwise, attacking her would not be considered a crime, just like it is not considered a crime when you kill a town npc that you provoked into attacking you through dialogue. The fact that she does 'go apeshit' now is because of the influence of the unofficial skyrim patch, and is not what normally happens in unmodified Skyrim. If you have a legitimate reason for why Alva should not return to Morthal as a resident, such as something in the vanilla CK or official patches that suggests she is either supposed to be killed or otherwise removed from the game at the end of the quest if she doesn't die, then I'd like to hear it.

Otherwise, this should be considered a bug with the USKP, and corrected such that if she isn't killed during the events of the quest, she isn't made to be hostile to the town once she returns, and she should probably have her vampiric traits removed at that point.

Even ignoring the rationale for saving her that I've been giving, having her return to the town would be preferable anyway, in my opinion, because then you could mark her as having an increased relationship rank with the player (because you saved her from Movarth), and therefore have her be a valid (and inconsequential) target for powering up the Ebony Blade, or perhaps sacrificing to Boethiah. Having her simply go away at the end of the quest seems... wasteful.

No wiki anywhere for TES games will ever be considered a reliable source. CK data trumps that all day every day. The fact remains that even in an unmodified game if she is not killed, for whatever reason, she returns to town as a hostile NPC and will eventually draw a response from the guards which can lead to a town-wide melee.

Alva returning to Morthal makes 0 sense. There is quest dialog from many NPCs that suggests otherwise as well. How would her coming back, conveniently loosing her vampire powers and then being all happy happy with the player make sense? And then being accepted back to Morthal after all she had done? Starting a fire that killed 2 people, being a vampire. All that is being over looked because shes a nice person again? Even in the real world that wouldn't happen

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