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ashok kumar

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Dec 28, 2011, 5:33:12 AM12/28/11
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December 28, 2011

Unconstitutional, unethical, unscientific

Pushpa M. Bhargava


The discussions of in the body of the article and the comments go to show that democracy can be hijacked by fascists- the fellows who will usurp everything from most of us and leave us to extinction. Nuclear power and biotechnology are two pillars of modern civilization(mc) based on false premises- witchcraft masquerading as science. This sad picture of democracy shows that mc has failed completely and we must embrace the fundamental principles of a normal way of life which recognises that we must adopt only ways of living which can design around our ignorance. Only this while recognising the interconnectednes of eveything in nature will enable living in health here and now without us becoming labrats of specialist societies. mc has become a playground for the dangerous unacceptable ways of specialists who claim to know everything and bypass democratic principles reducing us to slaves. People should all get together in each and every state to ban moderns constitutionally:Revolution!

Ranjit Kumar

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Dec 28, 2011, 6:06:47 AM12/28/11
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Dear All
Since a long time I didn't received a single message based on Kosi.
Do you not think that "Discuss kosi" Group is deviating from it's
focal point and these are out of Board messages ? I think, we can not
discuss every thing from a single mike. Pz avoid such practices and
keep this Forum alive. I am waiting your new message on the issue of
Kosi. Your talent may help Kosi-resident to overcome the sorrow of
this River, Pz don't take it otherwise Coz I have strong faith in
you.
regards
Ranjit


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Dec 28, 2011, 6:15:38 AM12/28/11
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ashok kumar

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Dec 28, 2011, 7:14:45 AM12/28/11
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This is a very valid point. The broad picture of modern civilization being the cause of misery of people in the Kosi area was being missed while attacking apparently the very special Kosi fan problem. This was the reason for trying a different and truer perspective of handling the one major problem-modern civilization-while tackling such individual problems was my reason for bringing in apparently diverse issues because the almost half century of fight against the powers on the solution to this or to any other problem has only yielded in bypassing any opinion other than the officialese on the Kosi problem or the nuclear issue or the food issue(GMOs) or any issue you may raise. They all have a common underpinning, fascism- we usurp all the power- we control everything. We dont care about the Kosi fan people or the people of India for that matter!
So the focus on the Kosi problem must have this broader perspective which will not be available until we solve the root cause of negelect of ALL people's problems. In small self sufficient communities we design around our ignorance and automatically local solution may prevail as the perfect design. Shri Mishra's solution is elegant and apllicable to a host of similar situations, if only we choose normal civilization based on harmony with nature and apply it to local circumstances.
  In  Is justice in or out, I have brought out the central dogma of modern civilization and set it out against its problems= making us labrats even to the extent of ushering in extinction.  When we neglect to respect the fundamental behaviour of nature and volunteer to go against beyond its benign margins, what do we see in Kosi: Kosi fan rebels against this breaks all the barriers, whether it is done by the people or the river. We cut forests and build dams and when the result is extremes of rainfall patterns, the dam is subject to patterns of surges of inflow much beyond its design basis and fails, or the canal side fails and makes the entire river go to its natural course instead of the narrow path it is forced to follow by specialist design. The interconnections of nature are ignored and man-made forces  build up stresses within the earth and climate change results! For example, in the form of violent vibrations of the foundations of the dam itself and sooner or later it goes beyond its design basis. The ageing of these structures is again what has been neglected. In other words nature's interconnections via the giant pumping actions of trees and the sun and underground water flow and riverine flows are replaced by forces created by dams infintely more than nature! The result is nature breaks up resulting in earthquakes and climate change and turns round and destroys man's creations!
It is now a simple matter to see how the same ignorance drives the brai bill as brought out by the URL referred to above: Just in 2009 they(the specialists) discovered that the central dogma of molecular biology is false! One gene does not result in one trait! A mixture of genes and other properties of the cell in unknowable interconnected fashion result in a given trait of a given creation of life! This rigid interconnectedness limits by evolution the great creations of nature to the myriad forms and characteristics we observe and we have not observed! To forcibly cut a particular gene string from one organism and introduce into another organism destroys the natural attributes of the organism into which the gene has been spliced and the resultant would be having totally different characteristics from what was intended! Thus a particular trait is unique to that particular organism created over many generations!Thus the specialists would like to try the new scheme on nature and on us LABRATS exactly as the specialist engineers ignoring the interconnections of nature spliced in the Kosi snake against the will of Kosi and the fan!
    Understanding the problem this way we the people will all come together to defeat the fascists' ignorance and place before us all  how nature works and incidentally we enountering seemingly myriad problems will at once see: Ham sab ek hai!
So the fishermen's problems become the Kudankulam struggle's problems or the Jaitapur struggle's or the Corruption issues or indeed the dam issues and the forest and river issues and the question of deficit financing and the question of grains rotting or the FDI retail or the displacement issue or the constitution and normal civilization.
   Mahatma Gandhi saw through the interconnections of these myriad problems and proclaimed as long ago as 1908: Given enough time modern civilization will destroy itself! But he did imply it will destroy life itself. So people facing  all shades of problems unite under the banner of harmony with Mother earth or perish!
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Ranjit Kumar

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Dec 28, 2011, 7:48:08 AM12/28/11
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" ... They all have a common underpinning, fascism- we usurp all the power- we control everything. We dont care about the Kosi fan people or the people of India for that matter "

I agree. So, we need a joint forum to raise people's awareness against such underpinning fascism.

Thanks
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ashok kumar

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Dec 28, 2011, 7:52:19 AM12/28/11
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Thank you Ranjit for your discussion. Hope we all come together very soon.
Best regards and wish you all a very happy new year.
Ashok Kumar

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Ranjit Kumar

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Dec 29, 2011, 12:56:33 AM12/29/11
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Very-Very Happy new year-2012 to you ....
Reg
Ranjit

uday chaturvedi

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Dec 29, 2011, 12:29:39 PM12/29/11
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Dear Friends,
Gandhiji in his translation of Bhagavadgitha predicted droughts / water scarcity in Chirrapunji !
His advice was to live in tune with Nature and leave Nature to itself so that it would continue to
protect all life on Earth. Refer to "aakaashaath pathitham thoyam.....".
The only solution is to leave Kosi ( every river ) to it self. Mishraji has been voicing that.
Million Dollar question is "can we do that?".
Uday

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Ranjit Kumar

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Dec 30, 2011, 12:49:22 AM12/30/11
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" only solution is to leave Kosi ( every river ) to it self ". it is ultimate truth....
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Ranjit

ashok kumar

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Dec 30, 2011, 1:33:22 AM12/30/11
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Yes indeed! But there is the dam up there and it is necessary for all and perhaps the future generation to keep a waych and in the mean time all to achieve the goal of leaving the river to herself.
All the best and good luck,
Ashok

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Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam

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Dec 30, 2011, 2:00:20 AM12/30/11
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Wishing the best work in the new year ,I do agree to the idea of uniting the endeavour for making rivers sustain itself itself and survive the the end of what I call ‘petro-modern’ age and emergence of post-carbon age with limited supply of fossil fuels eventually that forms the backbone of transportation and energy intensive production systems.

Muhammad Mukhtar Alam,Ph.D.
Managing online networks for Movement for Transition to Post Carbon Green India http://transitionurbanindia.ning.com  ,Ecostrategic Communicators for Carbon-Neutral Leisure  http://ecostrategiccommunicators.ning.com
and Champions of Indian Muslim Economic Development Agency http://imedaindia.ning.com
Papers and Presentations at http://slideshare.net/mukhtaralam
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Dec 30, 2011, 2:23:04 AM12/30/11
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But government will not let this happen.......!!!!!!!1
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