>
> Very-Very Happy new year-2012 to you ....
> Reg
> Ranjit
>
> On 12/28/11, ashok kumar <
rak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Thank you Ranjit for your discussion. Hope we all come together very soon.
> > Best regards and wish you all a very happy new year.
> > Ashok Kumar
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Ranjit Kumar <
ranjit...@gmail.com>
> > To:
discus...@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:18
PM
> >
Subject: Re: [Kosi] brai bill-stop it for all time.
> >
> >
> > " ... They all have a common underpinning, fascism- we usurp all the
> > power- we control everything. We dont care about the Kosi fan people or
> > the people of India for that matter "
> >
> > I agree. So, we need a joint forum to raise people's awareness against such
> > underpinning fascism.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ranjit
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 5:44 PM, ashok kumar <
rak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is a very valid point. The broad picture of modern civilization being
> > the cause of misery of people in the Kosi area was being missed while
> > attacking apparently the very special Kosi fan problem.
This
was the reason
> > for trying a different and truer perspective of handling the one major
> > problem-modern civilization-while tackling such individual problems was my
> > reason for bringing in apparently diverse issues because the almost half
> > century of fight against the powers on the solution to this or to any other
> > problem has only yielded in bypassing any opinion other than the officialese
> > on the Kosi problem or the nuclear issue or the food issue(GMOs) or any
> > issue you may raise. They all have a common underpinning, fascism- we usurp
> > all the power- we control everything. We dont care about the Kosi fan people
> > or the people of India for that matter!
> >>So the focus on the Kosi problem must have this broader perspective which
> >> will not be available until we solve the root cause of negelect of ALL
> >>
people's problems. In small self sufficient communities we design around
> >> our ignorance and automatically local solution may prevail as the perfect
> >> design. Shri Mishra's solution is elegant and apllicable to a host of
> >> similar situations, if only we choose normal civilization based on harmony
> >> with nature and apply it to local circumstances.
> >> In Is justice in or out, I have brought out the central dogma of modern
> >> civilization and set it out against its problems= making us labrats even
> >> to the extent of ushering in extinction. When we neglect to respect the
> >> fundamental behaviour of nature and volunteer to go against beyond its
> >> benign margins, what do we see in Kosi: Kosi fan rebels against this
> >> breaks all the barriers, whether it is done by the people or the river.
We
> >> cut forests and build dams and when the result is extremes of rainfall
> >> patterns, the dam is subject to patterns of surges of inflow much beyond
> >> its design basis and fails, or the canal side fails and makes the entire
> >> river go to its natural course instead of the narrow path it is forced to
> >> follow by specialist design. The interconnections of nature are ignored
> >> and man-made forces build up stresses within the earth and climate change
> >> results! For example, in the form of violent vibrations of the foundations
> >> of the dam
> > itself and sooner or later it goes beyond its design basis. The ageing of
> > these structures is again what has been neglected. In other words nature's
> > interconnections via the giant pumping actions of trees and the sun and
> > underground water flow and
riverine flows are replaced by forces created by
> > dams infintely more than nature! The result is nature breaks up resulting in
> > earthquakes and climate change and turns round and destroys man's creations!
> >>It is now a simple matter to see how the same ignorance drives the brai
> >> bill as brought out by the URL referred to above: Just in 2009 they(the
> >> specialists) discovered that the central dogma of molecular biology is
> >> false! One gene does not result in one trait! A mixture of genes and other
> >> properties of the cell in unknowable interconnected fashion result in a
> >> given trait of a given creation of life! This rigid interconnectedness
> >> limits by evolution the great creations of nature to the myriad forms and
> >> characteristics we observe and we have not observed! To forcibly cut a
> >>
particular gene string from one organism and introduce into another
> >> organism destroys the natural attributes of the organism into which the
> >> gene has been spliced and the resultant would be having totally different
> >> characteristics from what was intended! Thus a particular trait is unique
> >> to that particular organism created over many generations!Thus the
> >> specialists would like to try the
> > new scheme on nature and on us LABRATS exactly as the specialist engineers
> > ignoring the interconnections of nature spliced in the Kosi snake against
> > the will of Kosi and the fan!
> >> Understanding the problem this way we the people will all come together
> >> to defeat the fascists' ignorance and place before us all how nature
> >> works and incidentally we enountering seemingly myriad
problems will at
> >> once see: Ham sab ek hai!
> >>So the fishermen's problems become the Kudankulam struggle's problems or
> >> the Jaitapur struggle's or the Corruption issues or indeed the dam issues
> >> and the forest and river issues and the question of deficit financing and
> >> the question of grains rotting or the FDI retail or the displacement issue
> >> or the constitution and normal civilization.
> >> Mahatma Gandhi saw through the interconnections of these myriad problems
> >> and proclaimed as long ago as 1908: Given enough time modern civilization
> >> will destroy itself! But he did imply it will destroy life itself. So
> >> people facing all shades of problems unite under the banner of harmony
> >> with Mother earth or perish!
> >>
>
>>________________________________
> >> From: Ranjit Kumar <
ranjit...@gmail.com>
> >>To:
discus...@googlegroups.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:36 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [Kosi] brai bill-stop it for all time.
> >>
> >>
> >>Dear All
> >>Since a long time I didn't received a single message based on Kosi.
> >>Do you not think that "Discuss kosi" Group is deviating from it's
> >>focal point and these are out of Board messages ? I think, we can not
> >>discuss every thing from a single mike. Pz avoid such practices and
> >>keep this Forum
alive. I
am waiting your new message on the issue of
> >>Kosi. Your talent may help Kosi-resident to overcome the sorrow of
> >>this River, Pz don't take it otherwise Coz I have strong faith in
> >>you.
> >>regards
> >>Ranjit
> >>
> >>
> >>On 12/28/11, ashok kumar <
rak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> Re:
> >>>
> >>> Opinion » Lead December 28, 2011
> >>> Unconstitutional, unethical, unscientificPushpa M. Bhargava
> >>>
> >>>
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article2752711.ece?homepage=true> >>>
>
>>>
>
>>> The discussions
> > of in the body of the article and the comments go to show
> >>> that democracy can be hijacked by fascists- the fellows who will usurp
> >>> everything from most of us and leave us to extinction. Nuclear power and
> >>> biotechnology are two pillars of modern civilization(mc) based on false
> >>> premises- witchcraft masquerading as science. This sad picture of
> >>> democracy
> >>> shows that mc has failed completely and we must embrace the fundamental
> >>> principles of a normal way of life which recognises that we must adopt
> >>> only
> >>> ways of living which can design around our ignorance. Only this while
> >>> recognising the interconnectednes of eveything in nature will enable
> >>> living
> >>> in health here and now
without us becoming labrats of specialist
> >>> societies.
> >>> mc has become a playground for the dangerous unacceptable ways of
> >>> specialists who claim to know everything and bypass democratic principles
> >>> reducing us
> > to slaves. People should all get together in each and every
> >>> state to ban moderns
> >>> constitutionally:Revolution!
> >>> See
http://justiceinorout.blogspot.com/> >>>
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