[BROKERDIRT] Overdue rent and Fair Debt Collection Practices Act

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Byron King

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Anyone have any thoughts on property managers trying to collect past due rents?

Are they debt collectors subject to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act?

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April Charney

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Feb 7, 2013, 9:19:09 AM2/7/13
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not enough facts to say for sure, but the best resource is NCLC's fdcpa manual which you can word search online at www.nclc.org  but you need the manual to look up the referenced citations to the manuals.  There are some good lawyer driven websites to check:

 

www.lawpoint.com

 

and

 

www.myfairdebt.com

 


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Anyone have any thoughts on property managers trying to collect past due rents?

Are they debt collectors subject to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act?

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Byron

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David Pereira

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It appears to be somewhat of an unsettled question in all jurisdictions.  The leading case seemed to be cited in most cases is Romea v. Heiberger & Assocs., 163 F.3d 111, 114-15 (2nd Cir. 1998)

 

More recent case here in California, but at a District Court level says it best:

 

 

Next, Defendants contend that Plaintiffs cannot state an FDCPA claim because rent and other unpaid residential tenancy obligations are not "consumer debts." The FDCPA defines "debt" as "any obligation or alleged obligation of a consumer to pay money arising out of a transaction in which the money, property, insurance, or services which are the subject of the transaction are primarily for personal, family, or household purposes, whether or not such obligation has been reduced  [*7] to judgment." 15 U.S.C. § 1692a(5). n1 Defendants do not cite any legal authority in support of their argument, but simply point out that the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals so far has not held that rent is a consumer debt for purposes of the FDCPA. They do not cite to any legal authority that the appellate court has held to the contrary. The parties agree that the Ninth Circuit has not addressed the issue, and this court is not aware of any Ninth Circuit opinion on point. The court finds persuasive Romea v. Heiberger & Assocs., 163 F.3d 111, 114-15 (2nd Cir. 1998). It held that in light of the language of the FDCPA, there was no reason why residential rent incurred by a consumer should not constitute a debt. Accordingly, Defendants' argument is rejected.

Leasure v. Willmark Cmtys., Inc., 2011 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 60986, 6-7 (S.D. Cal. June 6, 2011)

 

 

 

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Anyone have any thoughts on property managers trying to collect past due rents?


Are they debt collectors subject to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act?

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Byron

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Any response to this would depend on the property manager’s standing per documents & common law rules may have a great deal to do with this.  The General rules is we look to the common law and stats. up to the 4th year of the Reign of James the 1st.  More importantly what does the documents say lease, rules and regs and are they in conformity with the debt collection act.
 

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From: Byron King
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:46 PM
Subject: [BROKERDIRT] Overdue rent and Fair Debt Collection Practices Act
Anyone have any thoughts on property managers trying to collect past due rents?

Are they debt collectors subject to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act?

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Byron

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Pereira, is this an unsettled question is all jurisdictions because most jurisdiction have not written into their codes promulgations that would bring them into compliance with federal promulgations?   Most jurisdictions have in their codes that that by reference the US Code/rules/regulations are by reference a part of their code.  It seems most courts/lawyers overlook this;      The Constitution and laws of the United States and of the Commonwealth shall be supreme. Any ordinance, resolution, bylaw, rule, regulation, or order of any governing body or any corporation, board, or number of persons shall not be inconsistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States or of the Commonwealth. (Code 1919, § 5; Code 1950, § 1-13; 1950, p. 22, § 1-13.17; 2005, c. 839.) Virginia Code 1-248.

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