Shockwave update anticipated in approximately 2 weeks

[Allen Partridge]

Hello everyone,

I wanted to give a heads up. We expect to release an update to Shockwave in a couple of weeks. Pre-release testing with community began today. The update addresses some security issues, text, xDomain issues, & fixes some issues with Mac and Windows installations of Shockwave. It also addresses a more significant ongoing issue with Shockwave 3D performance. If you are a significant user of Shockwave3D, and are not on the pre-release for Shockwave, I strongly encourage you to drop me an email offlist, so you can get added to the pre-release.

Allen

[Bart Libert (EducaSoft BVBA)]

I give up. This would be the 4th time we ask to be on the pre-release list. Maybe a company which sells around 20000 cd-roms a year isn't significant enough for Adobe.

2010/1/11 Allen Partridge <all...@adobe.com>

Hello everyone,

I wanted to give a heads up. We expect to release an update to Shockwave in a couple of weeks. Pre-release testing with community began today. The update addresses some security issues, text, xDomain issues, & fixes some issues with Mac and Windows installations of Shockwave. It also addresses a more significant ongoing issue with Shockwave 3D performance. If you are a significant user of Shockwave3D, and are not on the pre-release for Shockwave, I strongly encourage you to drop me an email offlist, so you can get added to the pre-release.

Allen

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[Valentin Schmidt]

what about snow leopard and 64-bit system support? are you working on
this at all, yes or no?

cheers,
valentin

[Valentin Schmidt]

Allen Partridge wrote:
> Valentin,
>
> There are no immediate plans for 64 bit support. The update addresses
> the silent failure / incorrect error messaging on Snow Leopard.

> Allen

so not even the special "64-bit support" that e.g. unity implemented in
its 32-bit browser-plugin? that's really bad news, so no snow leopard
support at all, which means: bye bye shockwave, r.i.p.

but thanks for the clear words, finally.

cheers,
valentin

[Bart Libert (EducaSoft BVBA)]

Wait a minute? Director cannot play in a 64bit internet explorer either?

 

 

2010/1/11 Valentin Schmidt <valentin...@gmail.com>

[Valentin Schmidt]

Bart Libert (EducaSoft BVBA) wrote:
> Wait a minute? Director cannot play in a 64bit internet explorer either?

I guess so (but I don't have a 64-bit pc to test, just a 64-bit mac).

but AFAIK it's the same with flash, it also doesn't run in 64-bit IE, so
I guess the users are used to plugins not working or have already
changed the IE mode to 32-bit?

cheers,
valentin

[Bart Libert (EducaSoft BVBA)]

Flash does indeed not run (or not as far as I know) on 64bits internet explorer.

 

Well lets hope CS5 comes out on time and that flash CS5 is not a dissapointment.

2010/1/11 Valentin Schmidt <valentin...@gmail.com>

[Toby De Ieso]

But the 64bit version of IE is not used by default on either Vista x64
or Windows 7 x64. I think that's the issue with snow leopard and safari. :-(
I see this more as a problem caused by Apple than Adobe, because
Director doesn't really need to be a 64bit app (at this point in time).

AstrO

[Bart Libert (EducaSoft BVBA)]

Then I think you cannot imagine how fast 64-bit is now coming up on home user PCs.

 

64bits is a must. People use it because they think its better. An then they discover that content A is invisible and content B is visible.

 

Not good

2010/1/11 Toby De Ieso <astro...@internode.on.net>

[Allen Partridge]

It will run in 32 bit mode, but no immediate plans for true 64 bit support.

[Toby De Ieso]

I've been using a 64bit OS on my main system since 2006, but I can't say
I've ever had the need to run the 64bit version of Internet Explorer. I
also only recommend 64bit versions of Windows to my clients and I've
never had a report of Shockwave or Flash not working. This is primarily
because on Windows the 64bit version of IE is not the default browser
and your average user doesn't even know that the 64bit version is install.

I also can't see this changing any time soon, when you consider the
competition (Opera, Chrome & Firefox) are all still running 32bit
applications.

AstrO

[Valentin Schmidt]

Toby De Ieso wrote:
> But the 64bit version of IE is not used by default on either Vista x64
> or Windows 7 x64. I think that's the issue with snow leopard and safari. :-(
> I see this more as a problem caused by Apple than Adobe, because
> Director doesn't really need to be a 64bit app (at this point in time).

maybe, but all other major plugins (quicktime, flash, unity) run in
64bit-mode in safari (using an IPC approach, I think), therefor 99% of
the snow leopard users will NOT switch their safari to 32-bit mode just
to view occasional shockwave movies, but rather go without shockwave in
the future, that's what I meant with "bye bye" ;-)

cheers,
valentin

[Toby De Ieso]

Did Apple inform you guys that it was going to go with a 64bit version
of Safari by default for 10.6? If so did you get a chance to tell them
that it would be a bad idea?

Although this is Apple we are talking about... ;-)

AstrO

PS *cough* a working control bar on 64bit versions of windows would be
nice Mr Jobs *cough*

[Nonoche]

Le 11 janv. 2010 à 14:06, Toby De Ieso a écrit :

> Did Apple inform you guys that it was going to go with a 64bit version of Safari by default for 10.6? If so did you get a chance to tell them that it would be a bad idea?

Snow Leopard had a beta test, where you could see Safari was in 64 bits mode. I'm hoping Adobe, of all companies, was part of the beta test of Snow Leopard.

Nonoche
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Webgames developer
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[Toby De Ieso]

I won't be changing my safari settings to 32bit mode, but only because I
do bugger all Shockwave development so it doesn't really effect me in
the first place. ;-)

AstrO

[Valentin Schmidt]

Allen Partridge wrote:
> It will run in 32 bit mode, but no immediate plans for true 64 bit
> support.

of course, but I think in snow leopard running "safari in 32-bit mode"
is simply no option (for the majority), for the reason I had just
written here:

[Allen Partridge]

Snow Leopard global adoption is at about 1% of all computers, and Snow Leopard is the only OS that defaults the browser to 64 bit. http://www.geek.com/articles/news/windows-7-adoption-rates-destroying-those-of-snow-leopard-2009116/

 

I have yet to see any actual numbers on global adoption of 64 bit browsers by

 

From: dirgame...@googlegroups.com [mailto:dirgame...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bart Libert (EducaSoft BVBA)
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:47 AM
To: dirgame...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Shockwave update anticipated in approximately 2 weeks (reply forwarded from DIRECT-L cross)

 

Then I think you cannot imagine how fast 64-bit is now coming up on home user PCs.

[Bart Libert (EducaSoft BVBA)]

There is a big difference when you say 1% of all computers compared to xx% of all Macs of course :)

 

By the way, thanks for ignoring my private mail to you again

2010/1/11 Allen Partridge <all...@adobe.com>

[Allen Partridge]

Sorry .. the rest was, just that I’d love to see any research people have encountered regarding 64 penetration numbers as we discuss the timetable for things like 64 bit going forward.

 

--Allen

 

From: Allen Partridge
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:19 AM
To: 'dirgame...@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: Shockwave update anticipated in approximately 2 weeks (reply forwarded from DIRECT-L cross)

 

Snow Leopard global adoption is at about 1% of all computers, and Snow Leopard is the only OS that defaults the browser to 64 bit. http://www.geek.com/articles/news/windows-7-adoption-rates-destroying-those-of-snow-leopard-2009116/

 

I have yet to see any actual numbers on global adoption of 64 bit browsers by

 

From: dirgame...@googlegroups.com [mailto:dirgame...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bart Libert (EducaSoft BVBA)
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:47 AM
To: dirgame...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Shockwave update anticipated in approximately 2 weeks (reply forwarded from DIRECT-L cross)

 

Then I think you cannot imagine how fast 64-bit is now coming up on home user PCs.

[Bart Libert (EducaSoft BVBA)]

At the time director is evolving, I guess the timetable will mention 64 bit support around 2020 or maybe it coule be announced for 2020 and then be delayed to 2025

2010/1/11 Allen Partridge <all...@adobe.com>

[Allen Partridge]

You might want to check your spam filters

[Bart Libert (EducaSoft BVBA)]

I got it after my mail.

I don't have any spam filters.

 

Anyway, the result seems to be that I would like to get on a DIRECTOR beta and the call today was for test on SHOCKWAVE. (Somehow this seems to be threated as separate software)

 

I'm not going to ask again to be able to participate. We don't have ages to wait. We moved to a combination of Unity3d and Flash CS4 for now and I do hope that one day there will be a good program again which combines 2D and 3D in one.

 

Regards,

 

Bart Libert

CEO EducaSoft BVBA

 

THis is also my last post on this mailing list, sorry guys, VERY VERY DISSAPOINTED in director, and its not nice to say this.

2010/1/11 Allen Partridge <all...@adobe.com>

[Valentin Schmidt]

Allen Partridge wrote:
> Sorry .. the rest was, just that I�d love to see any research people

> have encountered regarding 64 penetration numbers as we discuss the
> timetable for things like 64 bit going forward.

penetration numbers are NOT everything:

- a *core* feature of shockwave is (or was) cross-platform
compatibility. for most customers using shockwave only makes sense if
the porjects is cross-platform compatible. for win-only projects there
are better options.

- snow leopard is the most recent and therefor *most important* version
of os x. and with snow leopard, the core browser runs in 64-bit mode by
default.

- no customer will decide to use shockwave for new projects if you can't
give him any date/timeline or even can't promise at all if safari in
snow leopard will ever be supported (without requiring a change of the
system settings that many end users would consider as sort of a "hack",
and would fear that this change might slow down their overall browsing
experince)

for those reasons, not really supporting 64bit-safari in snow leopard is
a big issue, and your penetration figures mean nothing.

cheers,
valentin

[peel peel]

penetration is not everything BUT... the more audience you make, the more money you make... so i don't care about linux or new macs for the moment...
don't forget most of web users have old crappy machines... that's why shockwave is still the web 3d standard, and why unity is not

i remember the time people told virtools would kill shockwave... i prefer thinking about present than future...

director has always be "late" about new machines, remebmer when evereybody was screaming because of win vista & mac intel

2010/1/11 Valentin Schmidt <valentin...@gmail.com>

Allen Partridge wrote:
> Sorry .. the rest was, just that I’d love to see any research people

[Valentin Schmidt]

peel peel wrote:
> penetration is not everything BUT... the more audience you make, the
> more money you make... so i don't care about linux or new macs for the
> moment...
> don't forget most of web users have old crappy machines... that's why
> shockwave is still the web 3d standard, and why unity is not

it's not just about "new macs", many mac users tend to update their os x
to the recent version in hindseight. even my 4 years old mac mini is
affected - and older PPC macs propably can't be used for recent 3D games
anyway.

cheers,
valentin

[peel peel]

thats right

2010/1/11 Valentin Schmidt <valentin...@gmail.com>

[Mal Mal]

Hi Allen,

Thanks for the heads up - it's great to see 2010 starting with strong
communication with the Dir dev community, and also with a new
Shockwave release!

Long may it continue!
Mal

PS The main issues for us on Mac - 1) Safari in 64-bit support (
default ), and 2) FireFox having issues with Shockwave content ( it
flickers / blanks ) - catch us out quite a bit, as many of our
potential clients in the marketing departments of companies ( who seem
to be 80% mac based, and who won't have the skills to convert Safari
to 32-bit mode - and therefore assume the public won't ) can't see our
work reliably.