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I'm hoping to earn this category on a project where all interior products in the category meet the standards. The exterior doors and windows are pretty typical curtainwall and thermal doors: factory-finished aluminum frame with rubber gaskets/thermal breaks plus a vinyl weather strip on the door frame and rails. None of these components has been tested to CDPH, but of course the glass and aluminum are inherently non-emitting.

Hope it's ok to jump in to this thread with similar question but for interior metal insulated doors without CDPH testing. Is it acceptable to deem the metal portion inherently non-emitting (area of both sides) and the insulation (area of both sides) as non-compliant? Or would the entire assembly be non-compliant? And would SF documentation then need to consider both sides of both materials?

We just saw this comment from USGBC Reviewer - Note that interior windows, exterior windows, and window treatments must be included in this credit. They belong in the Wall Panels product category. Windows assemblies are typically not inherently non-emitting because they contain adhesives and sealants.

I see compliance mostly done by cost - and windows will make up more than 25% of the walls category if you have to count everything. Otherwise, how do you break out the cost of glass vs aluminum vs where there might be a sealant? Kawneer curtainwall for example. If you've got to count the whole curtainwall cost for walls, you're screwed. Anyone have any thoughts?

Yikes, that implies that they are treating windows as assemblies, which would not work for my method of breaking out glass (compliant) and aluminum frames (noncompliant) and doing an area budget. Does that mean they would expect emissions testing of the assembly? If so, that's effectively making this category non-achievable...unless y'all are finding emissions-tested window assemblies out there.

We need to provide feedback as the system is evolving. Anyone interested should use this link to provide comments that exterior windows/doors should be excluded from the walls category, as they are dispropotionately costly for the category and no compliant products exist, making this category unachievable.

Thank you, Tommy. I just provided the feedback at the link. We also recently got the same comment to include windows in wall systems. We have asked the question ourselves through a few different avenues at USGBC and are waiting to hear back, but your post today is not welcome news. I agree this would rule out the wall panels for most projects, which doesn't seem like it should be the case. I understand certain projects just don't qualify for certain credits, but seems like this would rule out a path for most which I don't think is usually LEED's intent. I will update here if I hear something back on my inquiries.

Curious what their rationale is for requiring assembly testing, like, did they expect fabricators to start testing curtain wall units, even if they are custom made? I don't think I've even seen a vinyl window with emissions testing.

My question is, regarding commercial windows and curtain walls, these are a combination of glass: inert, and metal, inert, with a factory-applied, anodized or powder-coated finish: low or non-emitting. So it seems like only the caulk could be problematic. Why test everything? What are we protecting occupants from?

Emily - What type of windows were included in your project? I have a commerical project that has a lot of curtain wall and foil-faced mineral wool board insulation on the interior side of the glass where there is no vision glass. I just want to make sure I understand the posts above...per the Wall portion of the EQc2 credit the CW system needs to pass emissions testing, correct? Has anyone found a system that has emissions testing yet? The system for the project on which I am working is a unitized system, so it will arrive on site in big sections already glazed and with the backpans and backpan insulation installed. There will be some sealant at the joints from frame to frame and also where the frame connects to the air barrier. I am reviewing options for those sealants for compliance, but does the CW frame and glass all need to be calculated by area and logged as non-compliant for emissions testing?

What I did was take an elevation drawing of the project and measure the areas of each typical window and door assembly. It came out to about 80% glass / 20% framing overall. Then I put those areas in the budget method column of my tracking spreadsheet (with all the v4.1 changes I just made my own rather than rely on the USGBC calculator) counting the glass as compliant (inhrently non-emitting) and the framing as non-compliant. I wrote a narrative saying that this demonstrates that the project is over 75% compliant by budget area before accounting for the interior materials, which were 100% compliant. (This was an office and retail core/shell so it was a pretty short list!)

This seems reasonable to me and the reviewer awarded the credit with no comment. But that was just a couple months after Tommy and Joseph heard the opposite, so I may have just gotten lucky with a reviewer who hadn't gotten that memo!

For a curtain wall with spandrel glass I am sure it would be more challenging to hit 75% unless you were able to count the insulation area as compliant...I wonder if it would make more sense to count it in the insulation category?? I hope we get some updated guidance on this soon...

I got a comment from GBCI as recently as September 2021 telling me NOT to include exterior elements in the Wall Panel category. Although it is in conflict with the reference guide which states "The wall panels product category includes..interior and exterior doors, wall frames, interior and exterior windows." They said - Curtainwall and storefront systems may be excluded from this credit, as they are considered part of the weatherproofing system.

Yeah, when I say I want updated guidance I mean I want an update that takes these exterior products out of the credit entirely, since they prevent many projects from earning the credit and don't even impact indoor air quality (by definition the building is not even enclosed when they are being installed!!).

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