I'm using a radeon pro 6600 and the only decent , stable , best fps/performance driver i found and always use is , try it out. Don't have any issues running any game. There's videos of people using a rx 6700xt and 21.q4 with good results. its the only driver i use and have been using since last year.
I am using the asrock 6700xt, i am using amd adrenaline app and have driver 23.5.2 it released June 1st, 2023 and it is working fine for me. I would only use amd adrenaline software, and maybe msi afterburner to tweak your gou but nothing else.
im constantly working on one of my retro build, with highs and lows, despite i hope one day i could afford a better one as with this mobo i have some little issues, and most of them comes from the chip VIA Apollo 133A, which honestly and personally i really hate.. is a pain in the ass to try get AGP 4X and other troubles.
I had a GeForce 5200FX, which worked surprising good under this system, with extreme good compatibility for MS DOS games, D3D and so on. But sadly, one day from nowhere she decide to die and now i can't use it anymore until i could afford a new one (not now, sadly) as it shows artifacts and graphics glitches already from boot screen. I have a lot of AGP cards, but most of them are ATI and despite been a huge ATI fan boy, it is not very good for me. They have very poor dos compatibility (Keen is one of my favourite and played games, and it have screen tearing, IKR there are patches but im too lazy and not always works) and so on, and also some D3D give me problems, while with Nvidia cards not.
So i try to get on the point of the question: I have as a temporary replacement a GeForce 2 MX-200 64MB AGP4X from 2001, don't know the manufacturer but I could tell you the initials written on the card. Anyway it would be a good card for me, it have nice MS DOS compatibility (VESA 2.0 if i remember), no Keen and other games glitches and so on, but i have HUGE problems with the drivers.
I tried A LOT of versions, but one give less errors but adds new one, and viceversa. In short, i cannot find a really good version that don't give ANY problems. I tried with range from 2002 drivers (23.xx) to 2004 (4x.xx) but no luck. Does anyone that have or had this card under Windows 98 SE, made it work without any problem and can raccomend me (if you link them would be more amazing) ?
With the FX5200 i used 43.49, or sort of it I don't remember the exactly number now but was 40.xx series from 2003, and they were PERFECT. But with same drivers and the GF2MX installed later, instead, didn't. Problems with almost 5-6 different versions of drivers i used, combined together are:
- Random freezing
- Graphical glitches on some games (IGI, GTA 1, Blood 2 ecc.)
- Freezing at startup right after Win98 opening music
- The area around the mouse have constantly graphic glitch, like lines and artefacts permanent when you move the mouse arrow
- Most, if not all, of them don't recognize AGP 4X but only 2X (this should be related to mobo ikr, but i remember one version made 4X work, but had problems)
- Sometimes i see screwed colored lines during Windows 98 boot loading screen, or during login for then disappear, or reappear randomly
- Black screen right after Windows 98 boot screen, totally freeze and no response
I know messing with drivers is not a good idea, but i always did the right way during testing from one to other versions: used Driver Cleaner PRO, removed any .inf from windows, any registry key and so on. And trust me, is a pain in the ass and a lot of frustrating work.
Sorry for long post, but i would like to use my PC and my GF2MX without any above mentioned problems. I could tell you the exactly versions I tried with this card later (i have all of them on a folder, each one with the correct number of version) but any of them didn't gave me the hoped results. I think i even desperately tried the Detonator version, no luck. No one seems to like this card despite i remember with another old mobo (an ASUS A7V8X with AMD socket) never gave a problem and was working VERY good (it ran even Max Payne 2 and other 2003 games).
Even tho you are moving from one Nvidia GPU to another Im 100% sure the MX200 will work just fine with the 43.49 drivers and you should have been able to just throw the card in and update the drivers to get them to recognize the MX200.
Its odd that you are having issues like that but didn't have any with the 5200, are you 100% sure the MX200 was working well before you put it into the system ? is it possible the card is bad ? do you have another card you can throw in there to test ?
Clean the edge connector of both the GPU and the AGP slot with contact cleaner or ISO.
Check to see if the heat sink on the MX is affixed and not just sitting on the card.
Visually check the card to see if there are any broken solder joints, bent/damaged legs on the ICs or missing SMD caps/resistors.
While checking the card also look to see if there are any scratches on the PCB surface, I have had a few cards have this happen to them during shipping.
Dont try to force AGP 4x, the MX200 wont see any benefit from it and it could be causing compatibility issue with your board since it sounds like you have one of the PITA chipsets. The glitches you are seeing sound a lot like memory issues as bad Vram ICs exhibit similar symptoms.
They are but even then they should work without issue, older drivers simply give more performance due to lower driver overhead and you also need to hunt for a specific older driver version which is a PITA.
I will double check later the card, its seems it don't have any visible damage as i always treat these hardware with maximum care, i even installed a custom fan on the heatsink that never gave problems. I will try later and test it again.
Another sub-question, if i can (thanks again!): there are really no difference between 2X and 4x? Im a little bit obsessed with these things, ikr from 4x to 8x there were a lot of performance boost, but 2x sounds so slow. Shouldn't it be have less bandwith? It would be even fine to deal with the 2x, is a pretty old card and i don't need huge performance games or anything, but just that don't give that problems which make the PC pretty useless and unsable... anyway, thank you for the answer i'll check for good the card and try to swap the S3 and tell you updates, but then again im pretty sure the card works... would be bad if it got damaged as im out of other good cards for now ?
i was also thinking to get something like a GeForce 4 ti4200 or ti4600, despite they are very rare and expensive on the net. The FX5200 was incredible good, even if is maybe "too new" put on a old PC meant to play old games. There are any card that you suggest me that have good MS DOS compatibility (Very important for me) and at same time good D3D performance for mid-2000 games like GTA 3, Soldier of Fortune, IGI ecc.?
As a suggestion ..any card below the GeForce 6000 series uses the same Vesa 2d core but you could just grab yourself another FX5200 or FX5200 Ultra they are still super cheap, you could grab a GeForce 2 GTS which are also cheap cards, if you want a bit more power then the GF4 Ti200/400 cards are a nice choice and both are still reasonably cheap.
I had the same problem on the board with via Apollo Pro and GF2MX400, all drivers causing a black screen after the start of the W98SE (sometimes with a mouse cursor, sometimes with a flashing red-blue rectangle in the upper left corner).
Finally, I tried not to install the VIA AGP driver from the 4in1 package and the problem was over, the 3D acceleration worked as well.
I don't know what the problem was, but this was the only thing that helped me at the time.
You experience problems with two different graphics cards. Seems like it's a problem with the motherboard itself. Have you tried the FX 5200 in another machine?
It's not a driver problem but the best drivers for both cards are 45.23.
I have the same motherboard and with a p3 1.0 GHz (133 MHz) bus it won't even boot, at 100 MHz bus it's unstable and hangs, it's only stable at 66 MHz bus.
Caps look good but it's an old mobo you know.
Besides the keyboard sometimes doesn't work, it's that known problem with a surface mounted capacitor near the port.
Edit: after reading the last reply instead of what Ydee says i'd try setting agp aperture to 4 MB in bios. The gart drivers must be installed.