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Chris Viningre

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Aug 1, 2025, 3:45:54 PMAug 1
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Is anyone running Netlogger during the net? Good way to organize check-ins and promote the mode. I would be happy to volunteer when I'm available.

Fred Larrick

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Aug 2, 2025, 1:41:13 AMAug 2
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Chris,
To my knowledge, no one is presently using netlogger to document participants in the net. We'd love to have your help. I have a spreadsheet that I put together of all the people who have checked in past two nights we've met. Will that help you get started? If so, I will be happy to send it to you.
Fred
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Chris Viningre

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Aug 2, 2025, 4:15:06 AMAug 2
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It wouldn't hurt to have a copy of your spreadsheet. I may also be able to link it to QRZ to fill in the information. I'll try to do a test and see what i can do. I'll let you know how it goes before Tuesday. Will you be net control again?
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Fred Larrick

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Aug 2, 2025, 10:46:14 AMAug 2
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Chris,
Attached is the spreadsheet that lists all participants in prior two weeks of nets .  You can check prior emails to see who checked in which week. I downloaded Netlogger and, no doubt, it is the way to go for documenting the net.
I am currently the primary net control with WA5QPZ as the alternate. As for the name of the net, something like "40m FreeDV Activity Net - Tuesday Eve EST". The frequency is 7182+/- at least for now.
If you set it up, I think I can quickly learn it. 
Thanks!
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Chris Viningre

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Aug 3, 2025, 11:54:19 PMAug 3
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I am pleased to announce an exciting new tool to enhance our Tuesday night nets—**NetLogger**! This user-friendly software is designed to streamline our check-ins, help net controllers organize our sessions more efficiently, and give everyone a clear view of their position in the lineup.

**What is NetLogger?**  
NetLogger is a widely used program in the amateur radio community, perfect for managing nets, tracking check-ins, and providing real-time updates on your place in the queue. Its intuitive interface makes it easy for both seasoned operators and newcomers alike.

**How to Get Started:**  
- Download NetLogger from their official website: [https://www.netlogger.org/](https://www.netlogger.org/)  
- For a quick tutorial, check out the helpful videos available on YouTube—simply search "NetLogger how-to" or "NetLogger tutorial" to find step-by-step guides for net controllers and users.

**Why Use NetLogger?**  
- Simplifies the check-in process  
- Keeps everyone informed about their position in the net  
- Encourages participation from those unfamiliar with our mode  
- Provides a visual tool for net control and participants

**Support & Assistance:**  
If you encounter any issues or have questions about installing or using NetLogger, please don’t hesitate to reach out to me. I’m happy to assist you in getting set up and comfortable with the program.

Our goal is to make our Tuesday night nets as organized and enjoyable as possible, and I believe NetLogger will be a great asset in achieving that. I encourage everyone to download and familiarize yourself with the software—let’s make our nets more efficient and inclusive!

Looking forward to seeing everyone on the air and exploring this new tool together.

73,  
Chris WS5B (Whiskey Shots 5 Bucks)
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Barry Jackson

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Aug 4, 2025, 6:25:10 AMAug 4
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I find this all rather OTT.

In the UK we simply use the FreeDV Reporter Msg column and ask anyone
wishing to join the net to add a new number to the list.

Listeners not intending to transmit just don't add a number.

Users set the reporter to sort on 'Msg' and can instantly see who is
currently transmitting and who comes next.

No confusion, no constant passing back to a controller, no wasted time
and fewer people falling asleep :)

So far we have not exceeded 7 stations transmitting but will soon need
to use '01' '02' rather than '1' '2' if the present trend continues.

Try it, this may be a bit different, but we find it works well.

73
Barry
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Chris Viningre

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Aug 4, 2025, 7:34:42 AMAug 4
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Thanks for your suggestions. We are also trying to increase the users by publishing the net on Netlogger with links to listen on YouTube and EchoLink. It's a common place for the HF operators to look for activities here in the States. 73
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Dayne Aldridge

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Aug 4, 2025, 9:55:01 AMAug 4
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Being old enough to have lived through the transition from AM to SSB I want to express a word of caution about using Netlogger.

When others see our entry in Netlogger they will start listening and looking for our transmissions.  If you have not done that, try it.  A few that don't like change will probably be motivated to deliberately interfere.  This is what happened when SSB arrived on the bands.  The AM people could hear "donald duck" but by going to the CW setting on their receiver they could hear the transmission.  In our case they will not hear us, just the distinct "hum" and spectrum of freeDV.  How others will respond we do not know but I expect some will try to interfere.

While we want others to be motivated to join what we believe is the "wave of future" for HF voice transmission, other ways may be better than having the risks of using Netlogger in view of our having the freeDV reporter.

Looking forward to tomorrow night's net.

Dayne
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Fred Larrick

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Aug 4, 2025, 10:41:50 AMAug 4
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I have been a ham since 1964 and experienced the SSB to AM transition. I believe that FreeDV will be subject to the same unfortunate experience until it catches on - with or without Netlogger. Not everyone will embrace FreeDV as we have and I do not see any way to avoid it. We need to spread the word and get the movement growing if we hope to survive in the long run. 
One good thing about FreeDV, if the signal-to-interference ratio is high enough, you won't know the difference.
Hope to see everyone Tuesday 10PM EDST.
Fred
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Dayne Aldridge

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Aug 4, 2025, 11:50:10 AMAug 4
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Fred,

Thank you for a thoughtful reply.  My wife says I am basically a pessimist, always thinking about what can go wrong!
You are right about the interference not being effective with the stronger signals and there will negative responses whether we
use Netlogger or not.  The net will teach us a lot about such issues as we gain experience.

Thank you for getting the net going.  

Dayne

Bret WX7Y

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Aug 4, 2025, 1:52:42 PMAug 4
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I agree Fred, the thing with LID's is that they don't need a program to
show them the NETS, and doesn't take a LID to interfere.
Look at what is happening to the SSTV Calling frequency on 20 Meters @
14.230 that has been in use since the early 1980's for SSTV.
I think this is a LACK of educating people that just because they don't
hear a Voice doesn't mean the frequency is not already in use for
something other than SSB. In my opinion I think a LOT of the SSTV's
problem is that the NEW BEE's to SSTV don't ID using SSB Voice like we
used to do before each SSTV Transmission and maybe this is the same
issue with other modes like FreeDV, users just don't relies the noise
they are hearing is actually someone using the Freq for something other
than SSB. This may be an Idea that may also bring an SSB user to check
out FreeDV and bring them on board and the more people using it MAYBE
there will be less interference in the sandbox. Sure, legally we can ID
in the Mode we are on, but is it the best way to go.
Just a thought
73
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Fred Larrick

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Aug 4, 2025, 1:58:17 PMAug 4
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Bret,
I have also been thinking about one of the points that you made below. I think what I will do is take momentary breaks during the net  Tuesday evening to announce in single side band that we're operating in the freeDV mode and advertise the fact that people can go to freedv.org to learn more about it and to download a program that will allow them to participate. 
It certainly can't hurt to do it.
Fred

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Chris Viningre

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Aug 4, 2025, 2:12:42 PMAug 4
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Bret, 
I agree with a voice or maybe CW ID. I check analog often or turn my radio volume up just enough to hear SSB. When someone comes on I kindly let them know the frequency is in use and what it is being used for. Same thing I do on SSTV. 73
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Dudley Hurry

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Aug 4, 2025, 11:04:23 PMAug 4
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Chris,

Have you setup Netlogger yet for tomorrow’s Net?    If not , I’ll set it up before the net starts.    Try to have it ready .

I’ll have 
EchoLink , open conference call , under my call (WA5QPZ) or node 79336

YouTube podcast channel name - “WA5QPZ”.   Replay available 1 hour after net closes 


73,
Dudley
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Rick W7YC

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Aug 5, 2025, 10:19:05 PMAug 5
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My experience, especially on 40m in the states, has been that after finishing up a SSB net and then switching to FDV on the same net frequency, the jamming starts. Often it's just someone moving in close enough to intentionally interfere, or someone sending a dead carrier, or someone sending CW in the digital passband. It doesn't take much of a carrier to start degrading the FDV decoded audio quality. When we've moved to other clear spots in the band, the interference follows. 

So it seems that while in FDV mode, an occasional voice ID to clarify what listeners are hearing would be helpful. It won't stop the intentional jamming but may help educate others who are listening in so they don't think they are hearing a misplaced data operator or other rogue intruder.

Has anyone experienced intentional QRM on the 7.177 MHz FDV landing frequency?

Rick, W7YC

Chris Viningre

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Aug 5, 2025, 10:19:05 PMAug 5
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Yes , l have everything set up and ready to go. I want to ask you if I can add your links to intro in the AIM window? If you don't mind would you consider being a co-logger? 
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Rick, W4XA

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Aug 8, 2025, 6:31:47 PMAug 8
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Net logger is also available for the MAC and there's a mobile version ( I have it on my iPhone) 

I would also suggest avoiding 7177kHz  because of the Mabuhay DX Net that is on every night of the week on 7178. 

Right or wrong, avoiding established net frequencies help improve FreeDV relations.  

Fred Larrick

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Aug 8, 2025, 9:44:26 PMAug 8
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Rick,
The 40m  FreeDV Tuesday night activity net has never met on 7177. It met on 7182/7183 as noted in all the reports and announcements posted in this group.
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Rick, W4XA

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Aug 10, 2025, 8:08:50 PMAug 10
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Fred, 

It was my understanding that the net would avoid 7177.  I was responding to Rick, W7YC because of his question about the "7177 landing frequency" 

While 7177 might work just fine in many other areas of the world, or even the East & South East US in the early evening, on the West Coast the Mabuhay Net users on 7178 are pretty much on 7 days a week starting around 1600 PST or PDT and many of them have very strong signals up here in the Pacific NW.  I have also heard many of the same people on 7178 in the mornings too.

7182 worked quite well for me last Tuesday although I didn't have enough signal to get back to everyone.  I heard most everyone!

I've been  telling  everyone I know (who'll listen!!)  about FreeDV and have been encouraging them to get on 40 & 75 using FreeDV.

Fred Larrick

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Aug 10, 2025, 8:34:45 PMAug 10
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 Rick (W4XA),
Sorry - I failef to follow the thread/context. Easy to do on group websites.
Hopefully we'll be able to connect on 40m or 80m sometime.
Regards,
Fred

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