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[Gregory Urbiel]

But then digital becomes an adverb modifying the word sent (or transmitted). 

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G D <glenn...@gmail.com>: Aug 26 07:05PM -0400 It seems like people get digital confused with voice. Doesn't matter the transmit medium. The "digital" segments are data.

Facility 406 <facili...@bruteforcedevelopment.com>: Aug 27 08:43AM -0700 > It seems like people get digital confused with voice.  Doesn't matter > the transmit medium.  The "digital" segments are data.   Which is why I sent an example through email, an entirely different medium.   No radio, band plans, or segments, just a sound, intended to be heard with the ears, so, hopefully, no confusion.   I thought about an incentive, like our licensing system, and offering a a $25 Starbucks gift card to the first one to answer what information the signal was conveying (not whether it was digital, or voice, that's the stupidly easy part), but I didn't want to cheapen amateur radio, and involve money, like our governing bodies, or some of our clubs.   Kurt   P.S. Just to add confusion to the simplicity, years ago, a buddy and I used to send voice messages back and forth through email over AX.25. Voice, or data? Anyone ever question what packet radio is? If it's a .wav file of human voice, sent as a file over packet, is it voice, or data? Hmmm.....

Pierre Martel <pete...@gmail.com>: Aug 27 07:47PM -0400 Semantic can be quit something to play with. Been doing it for decade as union leader that did lot of clause negotiation..   When we look at digital voice. the 2 words mean a special thing. First what is voice?   In our case it have this meaning,   /noun/ ****   1. 1. the sound produced in a person'slarynx <https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=6fc9685705fbb62e&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWIIxGmvq6VXeeVoEzuPCtXWq95X5Rg:1724801052235&q=larynx&si=ACC90nwdkA2npcVVmNPViiSe8FMK2dgibH5NUBsDLLxZqY0BfJntRED7vz6hwUVShMsKcfco7w3yWn-TuojpOwaUaYPy5yI6Xw%3D%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb75rQqJaIAxVBEFkFHVEZJbwQyecJegQISBAO>anduttered <https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=6fc9685705fbb62e&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWIIxGmvq6VXeeVoEzuPCtXWq95X5Rg:1724801052235&q=uttered&si=ACC90nwUEXg6u2vxy-araGkF9MAxdddjUqJSOlXp0yqaTxsrL7RKm9svgmY-D5NN2aCBgwjmGxu0czoDxYqqfJ-SHUvfCnG-Uqdx5zh4Yc9971iB4UhT7g8%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb75rQqJaIAxVBEFkFHVEZJbwQyecJegQISBAP>through the mouth, as speech or song. "his voice is hoarse"   So it is a noun. it is something..   Next we have digital. Again what does our dictionary say about it.   /adjective/ adjective:*digital*   1. 1. (of signals or data) expressed as series of the digits 0 and 1, typically represented by values of a physical quantity such as voltage or magneticpolarization <https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&sca_esv=6fc9685705fbb62e&sca_upv=1&biw=1536&bih=695&sxsrf=ADLYWILxLMc9AJsRp7somomizBw0qldtuw:1724801169639&q=polarization&si=ACC90nxkzgN-KbLuTWKT81WCi4_nlsmKAkcmTn0j9qf4N4TO33NheFzMn8AV2jvCNck921Be6qRH9bNa9NwyJRcAkjpOJ5TiuGWYiaNLavjM_A3bYKqB0Rg%3D&expnd=1&ved=2ahUKEwjR5ZiIqZaIAxWnFlkFHS4pMocQyecJegQIRRAO>. * relating to, using, or storing data or information in the form of digital signals. "digital TV" * involving or relating to the use of computer technology. "the digital revolution"   So now we have an adjective.   An adjective is not a thing , it define something.  In our case its defining the voice. Replace digital with soft or hard or high and low, we will still be talking about a voice. So digital does just define the voice, it does not change what it is. A soft voice is still a voice. A digital voice is still a voice. If we would been talking about a digital signal. Now it would be different. A signal is not always a voice. That would change the debate. But can a voice signal be digital. Yes. But it is still just that, voice.   In the case of a voice signal we are using voice to define a signal now the signal is the noun and voice is the adjective? no, it is still a noun but used as a noun adjunct. But can we use an adjective after a noun, yes but the adjective would still be a modifier of the noun. And sometimes we use adjective as a noun. Like : I give to the poor. in that case the poor is modifying a noun that is not there. What are the poor, the poor are poor people. or kids, or what ever that was implied.   So we cannot say that the signal we send are not voice and just digital. The mode we use is a voice mode digitally sent.   Pierre   VE2PF     Le 2024-08-25 à 14:15, Facility 406 a écrit :

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[Facility 406]

On 8/27/2024 21:59, Gregory Urbiel wrote:
> But then digital becomes an adverb modifying the word sent

You betcha...

On paper, and in thought experiments.

The signal being transmitted by the radio, however, is entirely digital.

Kurt