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community helps itself
Sep 7, 2009, 12:44:04 PM9/7/09
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What I am interested in for 'DigitalButetown' is how can the
internet, website, social-media effect economic inactivity, spark the
existing creativity within Butetown residents into new careers and
harness the entrepreneurial spirit (i.e the young men I see hustling
on the corners) into successful businesses.
SXSW.
Many people talk nostalgically about the good times to be had at the Butetown Carnival and how they wish for the Carnival to return. I think that the Carnival will never return to its former glory in the old form but I was interested in the idea of organising a SXSW style event in Butetown, (The Butetown Multi Media Carnival) this could create some jobs for local people as well as change perceptions of the area, stimulate creativity within Butetown (providing a platform) and encourage residents to look outward.
Soundcloud Alternative
As a potential punter i was put off by http://soundcloud.com/ cost and began looking for a cheaper alternative. There aren't any really, some sites come close but none as good. I then began to think about the different musicans/promoters in Butetown and how they could use the internet to increase their revenue.
I dont know if there is the talent in Butetown with regards to computer programming to create the Soundcloud alternative, but if we tried to tie into the site, hosting of music and offered management and promotion of bands that sign up to the site maybe this could pay for the programers. What I mean is trying to create a new business model for musicians/bands and promoters.
Augmented Reality - AR
I really dont know how much work goes into writing a app for the iPhone, Blackberry etc from what I can find there aren't many AR http://delicious.com/GavinPorter/augmentedreality apps out there yet, but i think this is going to be the next BIG thing. Is it possible to organise a 'camp' where a group of people can be either be given the specific skills or build on existing skills to be able to create these types of apps. As Cardiff Bay is an established tourist attraction maybe we can create a product that targets this.
SXSW.
Many people talk nostalgically about the good times to be had at the Butetown Carnival and how they wish for the Carnival to return. I think that the Carnival will never return to its former glory in the old form but I was interested in the idea of organising a SXSW style event in Butetown, (The Butetown Multi Media Carnival) this could create some jobs for local people as well as change perceptions of the area, stimulate creativity within Butetown (providing a platform) and encourage residents to look outward.
Soundcloud Alternative
As a potential punter i was put off by http://soundcloud.com/ cost and began looking for a cheaper alternative. There aren't any really, some sites come close but none as good. I then began to think about the different musicans/promoters in Butetown and how they could use the internet to increase their revenue.
I dont know if there is the talent in Butetown with regards to computer programming to create the Soundcloud alternative, but if we tried to tie into the site, hosting of music and offered management and promotion of bands that sign up to the site maybe this could pay for the programers. What I mean is trying to create a new business model for musicians/bands and promoters.
Augmented Reality - AR
I really dont know how much work goes into writing a app for the iPhone, Blackberry etc from what I can find there aren't many AR http://delicious.com/GavinPorter/augmentedreality apps out there yet, but i think this is going to be the next BIG thing. Is it possible to organise a 'camp' where a group of people can be either be given the specific skills or build on existing skills to be able to create these types of apps. As Cardiff Bay is an established tourist attraction maybe we can create a product that targets this.
Cheers,
Gavin Porter
Community Helps Itself
8 Douglas Buildings
Royal Stuart Lane
Butetown
Cardiff
CF10 5EL
Tel: 02920 480808
Mob: 07590 844203
Email: in...@chiproductions.co.uk
CF10 5EL
Carl Morris
Sep 9, 2009, 4:49:57 PM9/9/09
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Gavin
With SXSW are you talking about the music strand or the interactive
strand, or both?
I never went to the carnival unfortunately so I don't know why the old
form won't work. If the will is there for a music event then maybe it
can be done in a format that works, keeping the bits of the carnival
that you think will work.
On the interactive side, I think sometimes it's about getting involved
with these events wherever they might be and then bringing the benefits
home. One to look out for is Swn festival in October (as in, next month)
organised by Huw Stephens of Radio 1. It's mainly a festival of gigs in
different venues - but there will be seminars about music/online,
they'll announce on http://swnfest.co.uk
There are actually quite a few events around Cardiff to plug into. Tom
and I run http://trydan.wetpaint.com every month where we meet in Roath
to talk about social media.
There's also NOCCI which is for "creative industries" which sounds more
grandiose than it is. It usually has interesting people though, maybe
some handy contacts.
http://noccinet.com
Maybe a way of getting around the Soundcloud price is to share one
account between several artists and form a collective or "label"? There
are benefits to using it as it's becoming the definitive way of sending
music without CDs, for some radio and music companies. It'll be easier
than launching a new service. The programming is one thing, the other
main cost can be streaming the audio which needs to be quite heavy duty.
I'll never say it's "impossible" to launch an alternative but as with
any business it's tough to compete on price alone.
I'm in touch with someone in London who works at Soundcloud if you want
to give feedback on how they could improve it. Maybe there is room for
another price package?
As for increasing your revenue via the net, that's obviously a big
discussion right now. There are lots of ways depending on what kind of
music it is. Here's something which might be handy, have a look at
http://www.pumpaudio.com
http://www.rumblefish.com
They are catalogues of music which is made available to TV/advertisers.
The service then pays the artist when it's used. I don't think there's a
charge to join - but they do take a cut of any money. I've never used
them so I can't vouch but maybe have a look at what they're offering.
Instead of Soundcloud, if I wanted to launch a successful music-related
business this is what I would emulate!
Don't know about augmented reality... But I've got your Delicious
username now, I'll start sending you links.
cheers
Carl
community helps itself wrote:
> What I am interested in for 'DigitalButetown' is how can the internet,
> website, social-media effect economic inactivity, spark the existing
> creativity within Butetown residents into new careers and harness the
> entrepreneurial spirit (i.e the young men I see hustling on the corners)
> into successful businesses.
>
> *SXSW.
> *Many people talk nostalgically about the good times to be had at the
> *As a potential punter i was put off by http://soundcloud.com/ cost and
> *I _really_ dont know how much work goes into writing a app for the
> CF10 5EL
>
>
> >
With SXSW are you talking about the music strand or the interactive
strand, or both?
I never went to the carnival unfortunately so I don't know why the old
form won't work. If the will is there for a music event then maybe it
can be done in a format that works, keeping the bits of the carnival
that you think will work.
On the interactive side, I think sometimes it's about getting involved
with these events wherever they might be and then bringing the benefits
home. One to look out for is Swn festival in October (as in, next month)
organised by Huw Stephens of Radio 1. It's mainly a festival of gigs in
different venues - but there will be seminars about music/online,
they'll announce on http://swnfest.co.uk
There are actually quite a few events around Cardiff to plug into. Tom
and I run http://trydan.wetpaint.com every month where we meet in Roath
to talk about social media.
There's also NOCCI which is for "creative industries" which sounds more
grandiose than it is. It usually has interesting people though, maybe
some handy contacts.
http://noccinet.com
Maybe a way of getting around the Soundcloud price is to share one
account between several artists and form a collective or "label"? There
are benefits to using it as it's becoming the definitive way of sending
music without CDs, for some radio and music companies. It'll be easier
than launching a new service. The programming is one thing, the other
main cost can be streaming the audio which needs to be quite heavy duty.
I'll never say it's "impossible" to launch an alternative but as with
any business it's tough to compete on price alone.
I'm in touch with someone in London who works at Soundcloud if you want
to give feedback on how they could improve it. Maybe there is room for
another price package?
As for increasing your revenue via the net, that's obviously a big
discussion right now. There are lots of ways depending on what kind of
music it is. Here's something which might be handy, have a look at
http://www.pumpaudio.com
http://www.rumblefish.com
They are catalogues of music which is made available to TV/advertisers.
The service then pays the artist when it's used. I don't think there's a
charge to join - but they do take a cut of any money. I've never used
them so I can't vouch but maybe have a look at what they're offering.
Instead of Soundcloud, if I wanted to launch a successful music-related
business this is what I would emulate!
Don't know about augmented reality... But I've got your Delicious
username now, I'll start sending you links.
cheers
Carl
community helps itself wrote:
> What I am interested in for 'DigitalButetown' is how can the internet,
> website, social-media effect economic inactivity, spark the existing
> creativity within Butetown residents into new careers and harness the
> entrepreneurial spirit (i.e the young men I see hustling on the corners)
> into successful businesses.
>
> *Many people talk nostalgically about the good times to be had at the
> Butetown Carnival and how they wish for the Carnival to return. I think
> that the Carnival will never return to its former glory in the old form
> but I was interested in the idea of organising a *SXSW *style event in
> that the Carnival will never return to its former glory in the old form
> Butetown, (The Butetown Multi Media Carnival) this could create some
> jobs for local people as well as change perceptions of the area,
> stimulate creativity within Butetown (providing a platform) and
> encourage residents to look outward.
>
> *Soundcloud Alternative
> jobs for local people as well as change perceptions of the area,
> stimulate creativity within Butetown (providing a platform) and
> encourage residents to look outward.
>
> *As a potential punter i was put off by http://soundcloud.com/ cost and
> began looking for a cheaper alternative. There aren't any really, some
> sites come close but none as good. I then began to think about the
> different musicans/promoters in Butetown and how they could use the
> internet to increase their revenue.
> I dont know if there is the talent in Butetown with regards to computer
> programming to create the Soundcloud alternative, but if we tried to tie
> into the site, hosting of music and offered management and promotion of
> bands that sign up to the site maybe this could pay for the programers.
> What I mean is trying to create a new business model for musicians/bands
> and promoters.
>
> *Augmented Reality - AR
> sites come close but none as good. I then began to think about the
> different musicans/promoters in Butetown and how they could use the
> internet to increase their revenue.
> I dont know if there is the talent in Butetown with regards to computer
> programming to create the Soundcloud alternative, but if we tried to tie
> into the site, hosting of music and offered management and promotion of
> bands that sign up to the site maybe this could pay for the programers.
> What I mean is trying to create a new business model for musicians/bands
> and promoters.
>
> *I _really_ dont know how much work goes into writing a app for the
> iPhone, Blackberry etc from what I can find there aren't many AR
> http://delicious.com/GavinPorter/augmentedreality apps out there yet,
> but i think this is going to be the next BIG thing. Is it possible to
> organise a 'camp' where a group of people can be either be given the
> specific skills or build on existing skills to be able to create these
> types of apps. As Cardiff Bay is an established tourist attraction maybe
> we can create a product that targets this.
>
> Cheers,
> Gavin Porter
>
> Community Helps Itself
> 8 Douglas Buildings
> Royal Stuart Lane
> Butetown
> Cardiff
> CF10 5EL
>
> Tel: 02920 480808
>
> Mob: 07590 844203
>
> Email: in...@chiproductions.co.uk <mailto:in...@chiproductions.co.uk>
> http://delicious.com/GavinPorter/augmentedreality apps out there yet,
> but i think this is going to be the next BIG thing. Is it possible to
> organise a 'camp' where a group of people can be either be given the
> specific skills or build on existing skills to be able to create these
> types of apps. As Cardiff Bay is an established tourist attraction maybe
> we can create a product that targets this.
>
> Cheers,
> Gavin Porter
>
> Community Helps Itself
> 8 Douglas Buildings
> Royal Stuart Lane
> Butetown
> Cardiff
> CF10 5EL
>
> Tel: 02920 480808
>
> Mob: 07590 844203
>
> CF10 5EL
>
>
> >
community helps itself
Sep 9, 2009, 5:59:45 PM9/9/09
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Nice1 Carl for your feedback. With the DigitalButetown project I'm just trying to think of different ideas and things that I'm interested in.
The Carnival used to be massive http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v364/161/95/1379740967/n1379740967_30105006_7320.jpg and people of a certain age have good memories, where ever there from. The reason that it finished (so they say) is because the money went to The Cardiff Festival, but basically the funding stopped. Music, Video, Art, Social - I would like all these elements to be included in the Butetown Multi-Media Carnival. I think the idea of carnival could get people from Butetown and the Butetown 'Diaspora' involved. 398 people became members of the Butetown Festival 2009 on Facebook and although it ended up more like a fate and its very easy to click join, think it shows that there is an interest. As there are obvious links with the rest of the world, maybe the theme could be social collaboration, where people produce media, in all its forms, over the internet http://www.theforeignexchangemusic.com/about.php and them come together for the Carnival be showcase their works.--
The Carnival used to be massive http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v364/161/95/1379740967/n1379740967_30105006_7320.jpg and people of a certain age have good memories, where ever there from. The reason that it finished (so they say) is because the money went to The Cardiff Festival, but basically the funding stopped. Music, Video, Art, Social - I would like all these elements to be included in the Butetown Multi-Media Carnival. I think the idea of carnival could get people from Butetown and the Butetown 'Diaspora' involved. 398 people became members of the Butetown Festival 2009 on Facebook and although it ended up more like a fate and its very easy to click join, think it shows that there is an interest. As there are obvious links with the rest of the world, maybe the theme could be social collaboration, where people produce media, in all its forms, over the internet http://www.theforeignexchangemusic.com/about.php and them come together for the Carnival be showcase their works.
David Barrie
Sep 17, 2009, 11:09:33 AM9/17/09
to digitalbutetown
The main purpose of this project is to develop and deliver a programme
that enables people to use/exploit online social media for the benefit
of their community, should they want/need to.
But it might be worth throwing in to the pot the possible template of
a larger digital initiative that fed off the back of Gavin's post
here, that the two of us discussed yesterday and might act as a
broader, 'digital enabling' platform which an online social media
participation project might plug in to.
Is it worth thinking about digital engagement in the Butetown in the
future within this context?
Or is all of this something totally different: and it's a mistake to
clutter or think about a larger vehicle before we know where the
wheels are?
Below is more Gavin Porter of Community Helps Itself than me...(and
he's happy for me to post):
1) Engage the BBC and other sources of local content to make that
content available so that people can point their mobile telephones at
different places in Butetown and Cardiff Bay and get not just an
information overlay but also historic archive. - i.e. an augmented
reality strand of work.
2) Build on previously (successful) local initiatives that have
encouraged user-generated content, create a second stage of this and
enable Butetown to create a mass self-portrait of itself using
photographs, mobile images etc. Don't just stop at Butetown but 'track
back' to capture other family members in the U.K. and overseas.
Perhaps geographically map this in a way modelled on Twittervision.
http://beta.twittervision.com/
3) Provide existing online social networkers with the resource to
shoot moving footage that reflects their online community life, upload
this to You Tube - or another place - and open-source produce a 'film'
on the social media/communal life of the area. Cut this together with
old black and white documentary films on Butetown/Tiger Bay's historic
offline community life - largely produced by outsiders - and have an
outdoor screening of the end result on a summer evening. Link this
with the idea of Carnival.
4) Use (1), (2) and (3) to create more opportunities for people to
want to engage with the value of digital spaces and share stuff
online. Because there may be people out there who don't want to
community organize online and/or don't see the net as a place for
dealing with powerless-ness or "addressing needs". But they like it as
an entertainment space, like the idea of personalizing that space or
turning it in to a place to store/mess with historical or contemporary
life.
D
On 9 Sep, 22:59, community helps itself
>
> The Carnival used to be massivehttp://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v364/161/95/1379740967/n1...
> > > *As a potential punter i was put off byhttp://soundcloud.com/cost and
that enables people to use/exploit online social media for the benefit
of their community, should they want/need to.
But it might be worth throwing in to the pot the possible template of
a larger digital initiative that fed off the back of Gavin's post
here, that the two of us discussed yesterday and might act as a
broader, 'digital enabling' platform which an online social media
participation project might plug in to.
Is it worth thinking about digital engagement in the Butetown in the
future within this context?
Or is all of this something totally different: and it's a mistake to
clutter or think about a larger vehicle before we know where the
wheels are?
Below is more Gavin Porter of Community Helps Itself than me...(and
he's happy for me to post):
1) Engage the BBC and other sources of local content to make that
content available so that people can point their mobile telephones at
different places in Butetown and Cardiff Bay and get not just an
information overlay but also historic archive. - i.e. an augmented
reality strand of work.
2) Build on previously (successful) local initiatives that have
encouraged user-generated content, create a second stage of this and
enable Butetown to create a mass self-portrait of itself using
photographs, mobile images etc. Don't just stop at Butetown but 'track
back' to capture other family members in the U.K. and overseas.
Perhaps geographically map this in a way modelled on Twittervision.
http://beta.twittervision.com/
3) Provide existing online social networkers with the resource to
shoot moving footage that reflects their online community life, upload
this to You Tube - or another place - and open-source produce a 'film'
on the social media/communal life of the area. Cut this together with
old black and white documentary films on Butetown/Tiger Bay's historic
offline community life - largely produced by outsiders - and have an
outdoor screening of the end result on a summer evening. Link this
with the idea of Carnival.
4) Use (1), (2) and (3) to create more opportunities for people to
want to engage with the value of digital spaces and share stuff
online. Because there may be people out there who don't want to
community organize online and/or don't see the net as a place for
dealing with powerless-ness or "addressing needs". But they like it as
an entertainment space, like the idea of personalizing that space or
turning it in to a place to store/mess with historical or contemporary
life.
D
On 9 Sep, 22:59, community helps itself
<communityhelpsits...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Nice1 Carl for your feedback. With the DigitalButetown project I'm just
> trying to think of different ideas and things that *I'm* interested in.
> Nice1 Carl for your feedback. With the DigitalButetown project I'm just
>
> The Carnival used to be massivehttp://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v364/161/95/1379740967/n1...
> people of a certain age have good memories, where ever there from. The
> reason that it finished (so they say) is because the money went to The
> Cardiff Festival, but basically the funding stopped. Music, Video, Art,
> Social - I would like all these elements to be included in the Butetown
> Multi-Media Carnival. I think the idea of carnival could get people from
> Butetown and the Butetown 'Diaspora' involved. 398 people became members of
> the Butetown Festival 2009 on Facebook and although it ended up more like a
> fate and its very easy to click join, think it shows that there is an
> interest. As there are obvious links with the rest of the world, maybe the
> theme could be social collaboration, where people produce media, in all its
> forms, over the internethttp://www.theforeignexchangemusic.com/about.phpandthem come together
> reason that it finished (so they say) is because the money went to The
> Cardiff Festival, but basically the funding stopped. Music, Video, Art,
> Social - I would like all these elements to be included in the Butetown
> Multi-Media Carnival. I think the idea of carnival could get people from
> Butetown and the Butetown 'Diaspora' involved. 398 people became members of
> the Butetown Festival 2009 on Facebook and although it ended up more like a
> fate and its very easy to click join, think it shows that there is an
> interest. As there are obvious links with the rest of the world, maybe the
> theme could be social collaboration, where people produce media, in all its
> for the Carnival be showcase their works.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Carl Morris <c...@quixoticquisling.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Gavin
>
> > With SXSW are you talking about the music strand or the interactive
> > strand, or both?
>
> > I never went to the carnival unfortunately so I don't know why the old
> > form won't work. If the will is there for a music event then maybe it
> > can be done in a format that works, keeping the bits of the carnival
> > that you think will work.
>
> > On the interactive side, I think sometimes it's about getting involved
> > with these events wherever they might be and then bringing the benefits
> > home. One to look out for is Swn festival in October (as in, next month)
> > organised by Huw Stephens of Radio 1. It's mainly a festival of gigs in
> > different venues - but there will be seminars about music/online,
> > they'll announce onhttp://swnfest.co.uk
>
>
>
>
>
> > Gavin
>
> > With SXSW are you talking about the music strand or the interactive
> > strand, or both?
>
> > I never went to the carnival unfortunately so I don't know why the old
> > form won't work. If the will is there for a music event then maybe it
> > can be done in a format that works, keeping the bits of the carnival
> > that you think will work.
>
> > On the interactive side, I think sometimes it's about getting involved
> > with these events wherever they might be and then bringing the benefits
> > home. One to look out for is Swn festival in October (as in, next month)
> > organised by Huw Stephens of Radio 1. It's mainly a festival of gigs in
> > different venues - but there will be seminars about music/online,
>
> > There are actually quite a few events around Cardiff to plug into. Tom
> > and I runhttp://trydan.wetpaint.comevery month where we meet in Roath
> > There are actually quite a few events around Cardiff to plug into. Tom
> > > began looking for a cheaper alternative. There aren't any really, some
> > > sites come close but none as good. I then began to think about the
> > > different musicans/promoters in Butetown and how they could use the
> > > internet to increase their revenue.
> > > I dont know if there is the talent in Butetown with regards to computer
> > > programming to create the Soundcloud alternative, but if we tried to tie
> > > into the site, hosting of music and offered management and promotion of
> > > bands that sign up to the site maybe this could pay for the programers.
> > > What I mean is trying to create a new business model for musicians/bands
> > > and promoters.
>
> > > *Augmented Reality - AR
> > > *I _really_ dont know how much work goes into writing a app for the
> > > iPhone, Blackberry etc from what I can find there aren't many AR
> > >http://delicious.com/GavinPorter/augmentedrealityapps out there yet,
> > > sites come close but none as good. I then began to think about the
> > > different musicans/promoters in Butetown and how they could use the
> > > internet to increase their revenue.
> > > I dont know if there is the talent in Butetown with regards to computer
> > > programming to create the Soundcloud alternative, but if we tried to tie
> > > into the site, hosting of music and offered management and promotion of
> > > bands that sign up to the site maybe this could pay for the programers.
> > > What I mean is trying to create a new business model for musicians/bands
> > > and promoters.
>
> > > *Augmented Reality - AR
> > > *I _really_ dont know how much work goes into writing a app for the
> > > iPhone, Blackberry etc from what I can find there aren't many AR
> > > but i think this is going to be the next BIG thing. Is it possible to
> > > organise a 'camp' where a group of people can be either be given the
> > > specific skills or build on existing skills to be able to create these
> > > types of apps. As Cardiff Bay is an established tourist attraction maybe
> > > we can create a product that targets this.
>
> > > Cheers,
> > > Gavin Porter
>
> > > Community Helps Itself
> > > 8 Douglas Buildings
> > > Royal Stuart Lane
> > > Butetown
> > > Cardiff
> > > CF10 5EL
>
> > > Tel: 02920 480808
>
> > > Mob: 07590 844203
>
> > > Email: i...@chiproductions.co.uk <mailto:i...@chiproductions.co.uk>
> > > organise a 'camp' where a group of people can be either be given the
> > > specific skills or build on existing skills to be able to create these
> > > types of apps. As Cardiff Bay is an established tourist attraction maybe
> > > we can create a product that targets this.
>
> > > Cheers,
> > > Gavin Porter
>
> > > Community Helps Itself
> > > 8 Douglas Buildings
> > > Royal Stuart Lane
> > > Butetown
> > > Cardiff
> > > CF10 5EL
>
> > > Tel: 02920 480808
>
> > > Mob: 07590 844203
>
> > > CF10 5EL
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Gavin Porter
>
> Community Helps Itself
> 8 Douglas Buildings
> Royal Stuart Lane
> Butetown
> Cardiff
> CF10 5EL
>
> Tel: 02920 480808
>
> Mob: 07590 844203
>
> Email: i...@chiproductions.co.uk>
> --
> Cheers,
> Gavin Porter
>
> Community Helps Itself
> 8 Douglas Buildings
> Royal Stuart Lane
> Butetown
> Cardiff
> CF10 5EL
>
> Tel: 02920 480808
>
> Mob: 07590 844203
>
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