Is This All a Dream? (Video)

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Rob MacDonald

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May 27, 2024, 2:39:21 PM5/27/24
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Hi Diehards,

Funny how this all works, as this was the topic I was trying to be articulate the other night on the Thursday zoom.  I don't listen to much of Angelo DiLullo's stuff anymore, but he does a really great job in 11 minutes to articulate what I couldn't even if Jim gave me 15 minutes to ramble on.

Simply Always Awake - Is This All a Dream?

Posting for consideration.  It really resonates with me because every day I just land in the spot of knowing that any thought of 'understanding' is really only a characteristic of that moment, and all of this is simultaneously hard reality and evaporating/shifting like a wispy cloud.  And even trying to define 'THIS' just facilitates the overall 'problem' of trying to land on a definition of anything.

Back to my vow of silence!  Angelo does this far better than I.

Peace,
Rob M. from MA


Rob LO

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May 27, 2024, 5:57:44 PM5/27/24
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Thanks Rob, yes.

Attached a transcript [Why? because, I like to read it without all the time stamps 😁] 

The Last minute reads
"So, this is reality without labels and it's very direct,
full on, all the time full on. So, in this way talking about: a dream; or not a dream; or real or 
unreal; or the Dharma; or there being no Dharma; or awake or asleep; it's just all words all 
(10:04) equally words.
I won't even give them enough credit to say they're untrue. I saw somewhere someone said 
“you got to realize all thoughts are untrue” - - no just see what a thought is. Yeah, to put it in 
a philosophical way you could see. You could say thoughts, don't have truth value but not 
that they're all untrue, because then you'll just you know believe a bunch of opposite things 
that than what you believed before. It's not true or untrue, truth that we're interested in 
here, has nothing to do with thought, it just doesn't or belief. And thoughts and beliefs are, 
are a sort of the distraction from: seeing; feeling; breathing; coughing; shitting, stepping;
sleeping; waking; eating; truth. Living Truth, living reality, just as it is, all the sensations,
colors, forms, the symphony of experience*, at zero distance with no experiencer! Is it a 
dream? Is it not a dream? Who cares? [Who Carse?]"

*" The Symphonybof experience" Thursday night zoomsters might recall some Mike Snider quotes:
 "The only qualitative term that even comes close to describing it is Authoritative Immediacy. Glass-breaking Immediacy which is Authorship. Absolute Identity is the Identity of Absolute Consciousness, as well as the Identity of the I-sense. Same Identity, same authorship."
&
"Absolute Identity is Immediate Authorship. You actually recognize your Identity AS that pencil, and it’s the same Identity as your right-now, everyday I-sense. This is what I refer to as Absolute Identity. It is the heart of true Zen. The crack of a whip! Identity! The strike of lightning! Authority! Everything mirrors my Identity. My original nameless name. My original faceless face."

To me that symphony is that, in the vusceral immediacy of the crack of the whip! 

Peace to you Rob MacD. You can read in peace. Without the voice in your head 🙄

🙏💙🙏
Rob LO

FWIW [Who Carse?] Is a nod to David Carse" Perfect Brilliant Stillness" and Chapter 42 "Dreams within Dreams" and I did think about adding another pdf here but will not reduce the signal here. Might start another thread. 


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Paul Rezendes

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May 28, 2024, 11:55:56 AM5/28/24
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Rob M., Rob L., All,

I finally got to listen to the video you sent in Rob M. The video really resonated with me. What really struck me was his pointing to how, when people first wake up, there’s sometimes an identification with awareness. I often try to point to this.

Also, I think he’s pointing to the fact that thoughts are just as real as anything else appearing in awareness. Or the interpretation of thoughts being real or unreal is not pertinent. They are simply appearing like everything else is appearing in awareness.

Just my simplistic take on it.

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Scott Green

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May 28, 2024, 1:23:10 PM5/28/24
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Paul,

 

You’ve stated that you use the word “awareness” interchangeably with “consciousness.” When you have previously used the word, “formlessness,” is that also interchangeable with “awareness” and “consciousness,” which is always appearing as “form”? It seems like that is part of what is being pointed to in this video. It also seems like that is what K is pointing to when he states that consciousness is its content (see video Rani circulated last week).

 

Interested if this is how you see it.

 

Scott

Paul Rezendes

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May 28, 2024, 5:02:36 PM5/28/24
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Scott,

Yes, I use awareness, consciousness, and the formlessness interchangeably.

I can’t get my hands on the video right now that Rani sent out on K. However, he often use the word consciousness to indicate content. He didn’t use it in terms of universal consciousness. And he may have changed how he used that word as the years went on. 

My limited take on it.

Paul

Paul Rezendes

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May 28, 2024, 5:06:28 PM5/28/24
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Scott,

Yes, I use awareness, consciousness, and the formlessness interchangeably.

I can’t get my hands on the video right now that Rani sent out on K. However, he often use the word consciousness to indicate content. He didn’t use it in terms of universal consciousness. And he may have changed how he used that word as the years went on. 

My limited take on it.

Paul

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Scott Green

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Here it is ….

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/N6VvqntZb5s?si=mrddFoil5bCPOPoV

 

This is a point I hear him make frequently. So it seems to me he is saying that this consciousness, which is nothing other than its content (form), would be the universal consciousness you describe.   

 

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Paul Rezendes

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May 28, 2024, 7:20:41 PM5/28/24
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Scott,

I could be wrong, but after reading all his books, looking at all his videos, I don't think he means what you're thinking. To me what he's talking about here is the fact that your thoughts are not just your thoughts, your feelings are not just your feelings, like anger, for instance. That is all cultural. The language you speak is not your personal language. It is shared by millions. That is all conditioned content. What I think he is saying is consciousness is this content. 

That's just my take on it. I surely could be wrong, and what does it matter? What matters I guess is that we come to these realizations or insights ourselves.

Paul


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Here it is …. 
 
 
This is a point I hear him make frequently. So it seems to me he is saying that this consciousness, which is nothing other than its content (form), would be the universal consciousness you describe.   
 
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Rani Madhavapeddi

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May 28, 2024, 7:52:46 PM5/28/24
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Paul, Scott,
In a way both of you are saying the same thing?
K says that nothing is  from me (mine, myself and I as a source). Everything that resides in us arises from outside of us, example our thoughts or our Gods, if I am born in a family that practices Christianity , I think I am Christian. This thinking I am Christian did not arise from within myself but as a conditioning from my environment. Another way of looking at it is are your thoughts stemming from conditioning? A baby is bereft of thought and conditioning isn’t it? 
So thoughts arise from the environment we live in and have bought into. There is separation. K always warns us of separation as the root cause of all societal problems.
My 2 cents —which maybe neither Paul’s nor Scott’s or maybe it is? 
💐🙏🏻💜
Rani Madhavapeddi Patel


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Scott Green

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May 28, 2024, 9:29:15 PM5/28/24
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Rani,

Yes, but if I am understanding Paul correctly, the insight he is pointing to (formlessness, awareness, etc.) is different, and significantly deeper, than what K is pointing to in the video - which is simply that consciousness is not “mine.“ Seems that I (thought) was clinging to similar use of words in order to try and grasp the un-graspable, proving the danger of attachment here. 😊

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Rani Madhavapeddi

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May 28, 2024, 9:58:36 PM5/28/24
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Scott,
If I have understood Paul, (and Paul correct me if I am wrong), what he says is Consciousness is the default ground substance that is formless nameless eternal stuff in which all forms arise and disappear. So he does not see any separation of the form and formless. K says just drop the identifiers and you are on ground substance as identification causes separation. So the difference is don’t touch identifiers as narrated by JK and Paul says that form arises from formless, they are a continuum in time space. They are not separate. Both do not want separation. They are both pointing to the underlying Unity. 
My 2 cents 😊
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Rani Madhavapeddi Patel


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Paul Rezendes

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Scott, Rani, All,

Let me clarify something please. I wasn’t saying that K. was saying something different than what I’m pointing to. What I was trying to say is that he might have been using the word consciousness differently.

I think it’s good to take into consideration that the people K. was talking to were mostly every day folks, not necessarily spiritual seekers. He couldn’t go into any depth with them. He stayed on the surface for the most part except maybe when he had some dialogues with David Bohm, but that’s just my opinion. In other words, at the time K was speaking/dialoguing with people, there weren’t as many “awake” people as there seems to be now. When Dilullo was talking, in my opinion, he was talking mostly to people who were already awake. He was also trying to talk about what people go through after awakening. K. never went there.

Rani, I don't think you misinterpreted me,  and Scott, I don’t think you’re saying anything different, either.

Paul

Janet Asiain

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May 29, 2024, 10:10:53 AM5/29/24
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Diehards

Paul when you say " thoughts are just as real as anything else appearing in awareness. Or the interpretation of thoughts being real or unreal is not pertinent. They are simply appearing like everything else is appearing in awareness," I'm suddenly wondering if there isn't a kind of difference after all. Aren't thoughts a kind of second-order appearance in awareness, dependent on or arising from the first-order appearances which happen outside our own brains? 

Please, I do know that the "outside" appearances actually happen inside our brains, but they get there through the perceptive senses, as thoughts do not.

To continue, if what I'm saying above is so, does it matter? (My favorite question of all: So what?)

Janet

Paul Rezendes

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Diehards, Janet,

Janet, sorry I haven’t got back to you sooner. I’ve been on the road. My apologies.

I don’t have any problem with what you’re pointing to. We can make all the differences we want. We need them to navigate the world. Without them, we wouldn’t have a world, at least that’s how it seems to me. So I guess we are creating our own reality all the time and sometimes we do that differently, ha ha. Problem is, sometimes we fight wars over them.

What I’m trying to say is simply that all differences are just that, differences. We can go into that and make some more subtle than others, etc. That’s OK with me, why wouldn’t it be?

❤️
Paul

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Diehards

Paul when you say " thoughts are just as real as anything else appearing in awareness. Or the interpretation of thoughts being real or unreal is not pertinent. They are simply appearing like everything else is appearing in awareness," I'm suddenly wondering if there isn't a kind of difference after all. Aren't thoughts a kind of second-order appearance in awareness, dependent on or arising from the first-order appearances which happen outside our own brains? 

Please, I do know that the "outside" appearances actually happen inside our brains, but they get there through the perceptive senses, as thoughts do not.

To continue, if what I'm saying above is so, does it matter? (My favorite question of all: So what?)

Janet

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Here it is ….

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/N6VvqntZb5s?si=mrddFoil5bCPOPoV

 

This is a point I hear him make frequently. So it seems to me he is saying that this consciousness, which is nothing other than its content (form), would be the universal consciousness you describe.   

 

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