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Jeffrey Angelson

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Mar 28, 2026, 11:45:39 AMMar 28
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Everyone—

I’ve been sitting with the idea that everything is happening at once.

But that still brings in time.

It feels closer to say there is no time—

just the mind organizing what appears into past and future.

“Just this” isn’t the present moment.

It’s what’s here before time is added.

Not a thing.

Not a place.

And nothing is outside of it—even something like war.

That doesn’t make it right.

Suffering is still suffering.

“Just this” doesn’t justify anything.

It leaves what is, as it is.

And then:

what, if anything, is to be done.

Jeff


Rani Madhavapeddi

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IS being 🙏🏻💐
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Jeffrey Angelson

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Rani 

IS being”—

even that is too much.

Jeff



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Rob MacDonald

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Mar 28, 2026, 1:23:29 PMMar 28
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Thanks Jeff,

Been reflecting on why I don't seem to attend dialogue groups anymore.

You basically capture it there.  

Nothing to do. 
Nothing to figure out.
Life spontaneously happens.
If I figure anything out... that's not it, but it is completely IT, too.
Could we ever stop the flow of THIS?

I still go to work, I still shower, I still love my family, I still deal with a body that has anxiety and panic attacks, but it is always JUST THIS.

Kind of why I had a bit of a visceral response to the Karma thread a while back.

If anyone believes in Karma or Salvation or whatever... that is fine, it is just what is happening, just like my impression that karma is a trap that keeps many enslaved who misunderstand that karma is simply another framework and attempt to explain what is just happening.

Peace,
Rob M.

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Paul Rezendes

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Mar 28, 2026, 2:11:02 PMMar 28
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Jeff, Rob, everyone,

I have tried to address this in the past. Having said that... as you are acted upon, you are acting. I thought Jim Peterson had a very good metaphor for this. It made it much clearer to think of energy flowing through you like energy, electricity, flowing to/through a lightbulb. The energy acting on the bulb is the bulb lighting and having an effect on its environment. There is not a before and after. The acting/energy affecting the bulb/being is the action, so if you had a bunch of different kinds of lightbulbs or beings and energy is flowing to them as they are acted upon, they are acting and changing things. In other words, as all of history is acting upon you, you could light up and say, “I can't do anything It's all just happening," but that is the energy acting upon you lighting you up in that way. So, as energy is moving into you, at the same time it is moving out of you according to your history, personality, and your difference. As you are being created, you are creating; there is no before and after. At least that's how I've come to see it.

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Paul

PS: Not going to a Zoom group or going to a Zoom group or writing on this platform or not is how the energy is showing up in you; whether you act or not, it's changing things.



Jeffrey Angelson

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Mar 28, 2026, 2:29:09 PMMar 28
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Rob, Paul, everyone,

All of this points well.

But what seems most true is prior to thought.

Before energy is named.

Before flow is described.

Before anything is understood.

There is no structure there.

Only what is—undivided.

And even as appearances arise, nothing has actually been divided.

Thought arrives after and creates the appearance of parts.



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Paul Rezendes

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Mar 28, 2026, 2:36:35 PMMar 28
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Jeff,

👍🏼
Paul

Dan Kilpatrick

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Mar 28, 2026, 3:31:18 PMMar 28
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Jeff, All, 

Is the appearing of parts itself undivided, not made of parts? Can it make itself evident in this way? Are there now any parts, even in the presence of thought?

Just wondering, -Dan

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Dan Kilpatrick

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Mar 28, 2026, 3:35:58 PMMar 28
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Just a PS. When we are looking through thought, there appear to be parts. When thought is moving as it actually is, not as a part, are we now looking through thought.....?  -Dan

Jeffrey Angelson

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Mar 28, 2026, 3:46:33 PMMar 28
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Dan, Paul All

So yes—

Tapestry…

as long as we don’t forget:

nothing is woven together.

Nothing was ever apart.



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Dan Kilpatrick

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Mar 28, 2026, 3:51:58 PMMar 28
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Jeff, 

Would seeing everything as parts woven together be our very looking through thought, in the moment, actually? Is anything getting in the way of seeing this happening, not as a conclusion but in a wordless living way?
Sorry for going on like this.....
-Dan

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Jeffrey Angelson

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Mar 28, 2026, 4:10:57 PMMar 28
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Dan,

Yeah—seeing things as “woven together”… that’s thought.

Not wrong. Just thought doing its thing.


Real simple:


Are there actually parts…

or is that just how thinking chops things up?

Before the labels—before “this” and “that”—

it’s just… what’s here.

Nothing separate.

Nothing being put together.

And is anything in the way?

No.

Only thing that seems in the way

is when we take the thinking as the one doing the seeing.

But thinking is just another thing showing up.

That’s it.


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So yeah—


“Tapestry” is fine…

as long as we don’t forget:

Nothing’s actually woven.

Nothing was ever apart.



Jeff Angelson


Dan Kilpatrick

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Mar 28, 2026, 4:38:47 PMMar 28
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Jeff, All,
Thanks Jeff. It occurs to me it might be worth pointing out that "parts" refers here to "separate parts", that exist independently of one another and then are somehow connected up, but start out as separate to begin with as a first principle (thought). 

We do experience ourselves as being localized, having unique experiences etc. So both things can be true at the same time, it seems to me. Simultaneously localized and not localized, unique and shared. It depends on the reference frame through which this is all being viewed, local or not etc, the observing is the observed..... -Dan

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Rani Madhavapeddi

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Mar 28, 2026, 4:50:05 PMMar 28
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If this IS there is no karma as I understand karma it applies if you think you are the doer. An act without the actor accrues no karma. 
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Rani Madhavapeddi Patel

Jeffrey Angelson

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Mar 28, 2026, 5:02:27 PMMar 28
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Dan,


Yes—“separate parts” is the move thought makes.


There’s a sense of being localized—this body, this life.

But nothing is actually separate.


Not two things to reconcile—

just one seamless happening appearing as many.


When thought organizes—there are parts.

When it settles—just this.


No assembly required.



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Jeffrey Angelson

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Mar 28, 2026, 5:27:09 PMMar 28
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Rani,All

Actions still have consequences.

  • behaviors condition future experience

  • patterns repeat or dissolve

  • cause and effect still operate


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Robert Harwood

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Mar 29, 2026, 10:48:14 AMMar 29
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Jeff, you ended your first post by asking, "What, if anything, needs to be done?" Simple. Whatever presents itself. I'll probably finish writing these words, and then go do some painting on a remodel project that I'm working on. Will THIS unfold like that? Who knows? Maybe my car will have a flat tire halfway to the project, and I'll have to fix it. Maybe someone will plow into me at a stoplight because they're texting, and I'll end up in a hospital. Maybe some idea will appear on the way to the project, and the body/mind organism will go do something other than what was imagined as the next happening. Haha! As Byron Katie says, 'I do whatever needs to be done, and then I go do the next thing that needs to be done." No problem; we're all just going with the flow of THIS, as THIS, and watching the unfoldment. Bob H

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Rani Madhavapeddi

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Bob,
whatever unfolds good bad right wrong have no place. 
🙏🏻💐💜
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Jeffrey Angelson

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Mar 29, 2026, 11:28:04 AMMar 29
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Bob

Yes… this lands.

“Whatever presents itself.”

Just the next thing… and then the next.

And seeing it happen… without control.

Appreciate you saying it so plainly.


Jeff





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Dan Kilpatrick

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Mar 29, 2026, 11:46:01 AMMar 29
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So Jeff, this includes all the bombs and missiles flying in the world right now and the horror it brings, and wanting to somehow bring attention to what is underlying all of it. Nothing is excluded.....
-Dan

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Jeffrey Angelson

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Dan—All

Yeah… nothing excluded.

I don’t see anything underlying it though.

What I’ve been calling One Field—just this whole thing showing up as it does.

Same as me finishing this. 

then going for a walk.



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Dan Kilpatrick

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Mar 29, 2026, 5:32:29 PMMar 29
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Jeff, All,

I'm speaking about what is giving rise to all this chaos and suffering, not in an absolute way, but a very human way. Why we are capable of killing each other......
-Dan

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Jeffrey Angelson

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What I keep noticing is the sense of being separate.

That’s where “us and them” comes from.

And that seems to be where much of the conflict begins.

Just something I’m seeing…



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Jeffrey Angelson

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Mar 30, 2026, 9:17:32 AMMar 30
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Dan All

Separate and whole—

are these both directly experienced at the same time?

And if there is only just this,

how does the sense of “other” arise so strongly?



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Dan Kilpatrick

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Is undivided an experience or a living actual fact? Is experiencing itself undivided? Is this showing us we are killing ourselves?
-Dan

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Jeffrey Angelson

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We don’t kill because reality is divided.

We kill because we think it is.



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Paul Rezendes

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Mar 30, 2026, 10:54:00 AMMar 30
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Jeff, Dan, everyone,

It seems to me that when one viscerally understands that what's happening to the river, the mountain, the animals, the soil, the fungi, and other people is happening to me, then there can be compassion, and we may live our lives with sensitivity to how we treat the Earth, other people and all beings.

It all seems so simple, yet we are often just concerned about ourselves.

Nothing new,

Paul

Jeffrey Angelson

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Cut off from Mother Earth—

constant comfort, insulated, untouched—we lose the living bond.

Separated from our mother,

we begin to feel separate from each other.

Wholeness is no longer lived…it becomes an idea.

And in that separation,

we become capable of destroying the Earth—

just as we become capable of harming each other.



Jeff Angelson


Paul Rezendes

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Mar 30, 2026, 12:06:55 PMMar 30
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Jeff,

Yes, I agree.

Paul


Jeffrey Angelson

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Mar 31, 2026, 8:12:05 AM (13 days ago) Mar 31
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Paul Everyone

Just This

Not as an idea,

but because that’s what is seen.

Not many things connected—

but one undivided field,

appearing as everything.

No-thing can’t be pointed to.


But as soon as there is observation,

something appears—


a world.

Consciousness is not outside this.


It is the field—

knowing itself.

Through the body-mind,

it localizes—


a node.

A point of view.

And this node is alive—


receiving and transmitting

countless signals,

moment to moment.

What we call the brain

interprets this flow—


organizing, filtering, responding.

But this is all the same movement:


The field sensing,

the field interpreting,

the field responding—


here.

So what we call “choice”

is not a separate self deciding—


it is the field,

as this node,

taking a particular path among possibilities.

And the field is not static.


Every interaction changes it.


Everything affects everything—


because there is no outside.

What happens here

is not happening in the field—


it is the field

reshaping itself.

That reshaping—

is co-creation.

Not two things creating together—


but the One Field

expressing, responding,

and becoming—


through every node.

No separate chooser.


Yet real participation.


No fixed outcome.


Yet real consequences.

One Field.

Nothing outside it.

Everything affecting everything.

It’s just this



Jeff Angelson


Paul Rezendes

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Mar 31, 2026, 9:37:17 AM (13 days ago) Mar 31
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Jeff, everyone,

I can't help but resonate with what you wrote here. Seems very clear for me.

My take on it, thank you.

Paul

Jeffrey Angelson

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Paul—
Appreciate that. Your pointing has definitely played a role in this landing for me.


Jeff Angelson


Rob MacDonald

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Hi Everyone,

Keeping it very simple...

So, given all of the above.... does anything really 'matter'?

-Rob M.

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Jeffrey Angelson

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Rob,


Seeing this… the need for answers drops.

The desire for things to be different fades.


And yet—everything matters.

Everything affects everything.


We’re the only species that can consciously create our reality.


Just this—one field, moving as it does…

and we’re part of that, co-creating our lives.


There’s a natural trust in that…

and an excitement for what comes next.


What’s left is a love for the beauty of This.


Jeff



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Paul Rezendes

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Mar 31, 2026, 1:16:35 PM (13 days ago) Mar 31
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Rob,

It seems to me everything matters. Everything we do affects everything else. I think Jeff was also pointing to this.

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Dan Kilpatrick

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Mar 31, 2026, 2:44:12 PM (13 days ago) Mar 31
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Rob M,

Just sharing an impression of what you wrote, which may not really have any meaning. I'll take the chance, fine either way (and maybe this has to do with this impression). 

In initially reading your email I noticed the word matter had apostrophes around in it, suggesting taking the word 'matter' in a certain way. One way might be that what is happening carries no psychological baggage along with it. Nothing is being made out of what is happening, in a psychological way, as there is no such framework operating to do so. None of it is being turned into a personal problem, even if it feels like one.....

That doesn't mean that nothing matters, like the fact that people are killing each other, and that we are all part of this same movement and human consciousness. Never separate from it, always being affected by it in ways that may be unfathomable. It doesn't matter if all this doesn't matter to us, we are still being affected unavoidably, whether we realize this or not. In this sense, what is happening matters even if it doesn't matter to us, we may just be blind to it. Yet our blindness also seems to matter....

What comes up,  -Dan

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Jeffrey Angelson

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Paul Dan Rob. All

There’s a post on Substack this morning by Joan Tolifson. It inspired me to write this 

Just This—- The Hum of Life

There is a hum

beneath everything—


life,

always moving,

before it can be known.


Something is always unfinished,

a slight ache,

a restlessness in the air.


Yes…

the wound.


But listen closely—


the hum is not wounded.


It moves through everything,

through pain,

through ease,

through what feels broken

and what feels whole.


We try to fix the ache,

or surrender to it—


but the hum

was never asking for either.


Nothing stays long enough

to be healed or unhealed.


It’s already changing,

already gone.


And in that—


something softens.


Not because the world is fixed,

not because the wound disappears,


but because there is no longer

a hand trying to hold it still.


Just this—

the hum of life,


ungraspable,

unresolved,

and strangely… at peace.



Jeff Angelson


Paul Rezendes

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Apr 1, 2026, 1:01:00 PM (12 days ago) Apr 1
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Jeff,

Thanks, I really enjoyed what you wrote here. Thanks for your input.

Paul


Jeffrey Angelson

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😊🙏

Jeff Angelson


Rani Madhavapeddi

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Jeff,
Your poetic instincts are surfacing through your ‘experiences’ 
Love peace and joy 
Rani Madhavapeddi Patel

Jeffrey Angelson

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Thanks Rani
I appreciate your reflections 

Jeff Angelson


Jeffrey Angelson

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Paul Everyone

Just This… and Creation


We say there’s no separate doer.

Fine.

But something is clearly happening—

choices, responses, actions.

So what is that?

Are we just passive?

Or is there an active role in creation?

We’re not separate creators…

but creation is not separate from us.

It doesn’t feel true to say I, as a separate self, am creating reality.

But it also doesn’t feel true to say nothing is happening.

Attention shifts.

Responses arise.

Behavior changes.

Something is moving.

So maybe it’s not:

“I am the creator”

and not:

“nothing is happening”

but something simpler—

Creation is happening… through us.

Not owned.

Not controlled.

But expressed here.

If everything affects everything in real time…

then this—right here—is part of that movement.

So the question isn’t:

“Am I the creator?”

but:

How is creation moving through this?



Jeff Angelson


Dan Kilpatrick

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Jeff, All,

Just a brief impression coming from what you shared here. When there is the sense of being passive or being active, of doing or not doing, of "something" is happening as opposed to "nothing" is happening, etc etc, is this all part of a movement that is trying to define itself, its own activity? Does it reflect a center, for example, that is reflecting on itself and from which everything is being viewed or defined? A sense of agency, of existing as if on an isolated island.....

Maybe the whole thing simply collapses into itself, as it doesn't hold the meaning it was thought to have. I get the sense this may be what your words are pointing to.

Yet, this very moving in this way is alive and meaningful, being loved for what it is. Its meaningless is just as meaningful, since it doesn't need to be other than what it is......  -Dan

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Dan, All,

Just this?

A sense of being active or passive, doing or not doing—

even the feeling of a center observing it all—

is part of the same movement.

It’s defining itself through us.

The “one who reflects” isn’t separate from what’s happening—it is the happening.

Nothing to resolve.

Nothing outside of this.

Just this—

alive, unfolding, complete.



Jeff Angelson


Dan Kilpatrick

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Jeff, All,

Thanks Jeff. I guess the question is 'how else'? Even the moving sense of nothing being alive or of incompleteness, of measuring, is itself neither complete nor incomplete, immeasurable (wordless....).  -Dan

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Rani Madhavapeddi

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Jeff, et al,
When we see that all this is through a collective consciousness happening,  is there a right and a wrong? Good or bad? This way or that way? Can there be judgement of any sort? Can there be anything other than Love? 
My 2 cents
Love peace and joy! 



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Jeffrey Angelson

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Rani All

After all that…

maybe the Beatles said it best.


All you need is love ❤️ 



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Rani Madhavapeddi

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And money can’t buy me love to be remembered in this age 🤣💃🏿
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Rani All

Lately what’s been happening for me feels much simpler than how I used to talk about this.


There’s been a shift from trying to understand it… to just noticing how it actually shows up in real time.


What’s becoming clear is that this is ungraspable and not something I can control.


At first that felt a little depressing—like something was being lost.


But staying with it, it’s actually become very liberating.


Because if this can’t be controlled or held onto, then there’s nothing I have to manage or get right.


At the same time, it’s become much less personal.


Things are still happening—thoughts, reactions, life unfolding—but they’re not landing in the same way as “mine.”


There’s less sense of needing to control or manage what’s happening.


And with that, there’s less thought in the way.


It’s like some of the veils drop…

and reality starts revealing itself more directly.


And yet life still moves.

Responses happen, decisions happen.


It just doesn’t feel like a separate “me” doing it in the old way.


It’s more like everything is unfolding through this… shaped by conditioning, but not owned.


So it doesn’t feel passive.

There’s participation… but not from a separate self.


Creation is happening through us.


And where that’s been most obvious for me is just sitting in the park, or even at home—


everything feels held in a kind of stillness…

sounds, thoughts, sensations—nothing excluded.


And I’m not outside of that.


So lately it just feels like:


Just this…

perfectly imperfect…

unfolding as it does.



Jeff Angelson


Jeffrey Angelson

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Apr 4, 2026, 7:33:33 AM (9 days ago) Apr 4
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Everyone

Just This


“Once you see it, you can’t unsee it.”

What is “it”?

If it can be seen, it can be lost.

Or is “it” just this—
before thought calls it anything?

I sense the mind appears in it…
not the other way around.

Thought doesn’t create this.
It arises within it.

Even memory is not required.
We don’t remember our earliest years…
yet something was aware.

So this isn’t something the mind reaches.

It’s what the mind appears in.

Some traditions called this gnosis—
direct knowing—
but even that is already a step away.

How could that be gained…
or lost?


Jeff Angelson


Paul Rezendes

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Apr 5, 2026, 10:25:45 AM (8 days ago) Apr 5
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🙏🏽🕊️❤️

Paul

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