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JIM PETERSON

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Apr 30, 2025, 1:37:40 PMApr 30
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Hey Zoomsters,
 
This is Jim.  Sheri is traveling this week, and I have recovered enough to host the meeting.  I have missed all of you and hope many of you will be able to make the meeting tomorrow night at 7.  You will need the link below to join the meeting this week.  The other links are all defunct as of now.  
 
See you then.
 
Jim
 
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May 7, 2025, 7:13:49 PMMay 7
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Hi Zoomsters! 
Hope your favourite NHL team is winning! I know ya'll are picking one of the northern teams!
 
Since it's playoff season, I thought it was a good time to revisit the topic of suffering. Here is a 9 minute (approx) video from Adyashanti that came through a feed. We can also play it during the meeting if anyone wants. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA3AjGsaNGQ
Inquiry question: What is suffering? Or, struggling? 

This can kick it off and then we'll see where the non-dual, dual wind takes us! 
See you tomorrow! 

With Metta, 
Sheri and Jim 💙


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JIM PETERSON

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May 14, 2025, 6:00:09 PMMay 14
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Hey Zoomsters,
 
Shall we gather once again tomorrow night at 7?  
 
At the end of our last meeting, Henry felt we hadn't quite finished with the subject at hand.  If I remember correctly, it had to do with....You know, I don't think I can articulate it clearly, so I will wait for Henry to remind us tomorrow night.  We'll start with that.
 
Also, I've been exploring the question of "overthinking."  During my weeks in the hospital and rehab, I've more than once had a nurse, doctor, or therapist tell me I was overthinking something: a medication, an exercise, a symptom.  After a while, I was irritated with this critique, until it suddenly hit me how right they were; I woke up, so to speak, right in the middle of overthinking.  It was clearly seen how the overthinking was making me unhappy in some way.  From that point on, I knew what they were talking about and began to see it more and more clearly.  This is back to the basics, I guess, but I'm always happy to go back there.  For me, this is the event horizon of waking up.  Everything unfolds from here.  And I'd like to make a distinction between "overthinking" and "thinking."  So if we have time, maybe we could go into this a little bit.
 
We look forward to seeing you all tomorrow night.
 
Jim and Sheri
 
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Hi Zoomsters! 

I've been thinking and thinking and overthinking a direction for Thursday evening. It's empty, so please bring your insights, questions, experience and let's see where it goes! 
 
Sheri and Jim

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May 28, 2025, 3:27:15 PMMay 28
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Hey Zoomsters,
 
Well, one of you said you'd send me something for this meeting, but I never received it.  And so I am devoid of content.  Maybe just this question:  Is there anything you know with absolute certainty to be true?  I'm asking myself too.  One statement of certainty to build on.  We can start there, or maybe something else will come up.  I know that Sunhee was interested in the question of "embodiment" a couple weeks ago.  We could also look into that if she's present.  I look forward to seeing you all tomorrow night.
 
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Jun 4, 2025, 6:56:00 PMJun 4
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Hey Zoomsters,  (from Jim)
 
Sheri's note for us is below.  I want to highlight the word "embodiment" in her note because Sunhee has been wanting to talk about embodiment for the last couple of weeks.  Let's make sure to get that in.  I look forward to seeing y'all tomorrow night.  Now here is Sheri:
 
Hi Zoomsters! 
At the risk of self indulgence I wanted to circle back to a topic Doug brought forth; auras. HIs question and the ensuing dialogue around energy and healing is, I think, rich for exploration. 
How do healing of the nervous system and/or the psychological/emotional/mental self and self realization/actualization entwine with one another? Do they distract from one another? Or, do they necessitate each other? As my work as a physiotherapist has evolved over the years it has paralleled and been informed by this awakening process. And, although in my own journey healing was not necessary for  insight, it HAS been an important part of the 'deepening' or 'embodiment' of insight. 
Some might argue this is then not self actualization and they might be right. If they are right, then I might argue that self actualization is perhaps not as important as self healing. 
And, if all things/beings are already self actualized, how can it be separated?
Lastly, if one feels separated, identified and this is causing disease, is (or can it be) healing isolated from any level of self actualization? 

We can of course talk about anything else if that does not stir anything! 
Feeling grateful and open to simply explore with ya'll! 

With Metta, 
Sheri and Jim
 
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Hey Zoomsters,
 
Jonathan P. sent me some recent material from Joan Tollifson's Substack for us to consider entitled "I Am Not My Body?  Who Is Not My Body?  What Is The Body?".  I have added it as an attachment.  I think it's beautiful and may be exactly what we need to go into at this time.  This piece is a little long, maybe twenty minutes of reading, very much worth the time.  I hope some of you will come with comments or questions for us to explore.  Thanks to Jonathan for passing this along, and to Joan for writing it.  See you Thursday night.
 
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Jun 18, 2025, 11:46:39 PMJun 18
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Hi Zoomsters, 
Please find the link to an approximately 20 minute clip submitted from Doug from Ken Wilbur. 
https://youtu.be/c_-53YcqrXs?si=FB8ddeyBYhXrhjFW
The languaging might distract from the message. If it feels like this is happening, please try to feel into the spirit of the message. KW does not hold back with languaging when talking about this stuff. There are a few commercials in the clip. 
And, it's good to let ourselves be challenged. 

See you tomorrow. 

Sheri and Jim 
 
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Jun 25, 2025, 2:16:56 PMJun 25
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Hi Zoomsters! 

Rob L has sent in a transcripted portion of an interview between Shawn Nevins and Jan Frazier. I have copy and pasted the transcription below. 
Let's see where this takes us! 
I am looking forward to seeing ya'll tomorrow!  The transcript comes next and then the invitation and link.

With Metta, 
Sheri and Jim


(Rob L: I transcribed this because of the question Shawn asks around 52 minutes in …
{Note have tried to make it read without pauses and emotions, so listen for the emotive effects of the dynamics of Shawn and Jan’s voices}
00:52:08
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N: I was curious, I have heard you mention the words consciousness, attention and awareness almost interchangeably and I was curious if that is true, or if you would differentiate between those three terms?
00:52:28

JF: I think I use them more or less interchangeably and I know different people use one of those words in a different way, one thing I would say about it is, consciousness, what I think of as consciousness
00:52:46 … well … Can be just aware of of itself … hah … I am using aware there … hard to use language but I think attention, it’s useful to notice what goes on in terms of a person's attention, alongside thinking which is different. The way that we tend to learn about that and notice it is by seeing that we are attending something, our attention is on something in the outer world, sometimes on the interior but the more obvious way is having to deal with the immediate environment, something sensory or in motion. So, we can notice attention to something out there, so it feels like attention has an object.
00:53:40
As I experience and sometimes use the word consciousness, it could be used interchangeably, but it can also feel itself … it's like a container sensing itself that does not have to be something in it or something,  that it is on.
00:54:02
For one thing in that way of that I am using consciousness there is a diffuse quality thats lets say softly attuned to anything in the field of consciousness, it is not focussed the way attention often is so sometimes if I am in a deep conversation with someone, and I am directing my attention to a look on their face or the words they are saying  or the words I am saying, I will lose all track of the hunger in my belly or the pain in my foot.
00:54:36
Consciousness what I think of as consciousness is softer and it is not directed in a certain direction necessarily, it more soft kind of attunement or alertness. But I am making a distinction here only that I think can be useful to somebody when they are trying to notice what is, what does attention feel like, it is easier when it is on something.
00:55:04

SN: Does the idea, you mentioned being aware of consciousness, I think that's how you phrased it. Does your mind or does your experience, or did you have the experience of being
… what am I searching for here … There is a paradox here of how can consciousness be aware of itself, how can a thing know of itself?
00:55:45
I bring this up because, in meditation for years I was hung up on, ok there is this awareness and now I am aware of this awareness and now it seems like there are two awarenesses inside of me and they were always flipping back and forth from one to the other and I could never feel like, “I am that awareness” because there was always this shifting thing. Does that ring any bells with you?
00:56:20

JF: Can you say any a little bit more about what the first one, what you described as the initial consciousness? What were you conscious of?
00:56:28

SN: Okay, okay … In a typical meditation practice, a vipassana practice where you you are being aware of your breathing, let’s say, or you are noting things, a thought comes up and you literally note it, of okay, anger, happiness these different things come up and you note them and move on. At some point that quiets down and there is just an, there just like a space in which things appear and I would call that awareness, … but then there will be a moment of resting in that awareness and then suddenly there’s the sense of being aware of resting in that awareness … and that always befuddled me, is how could I … if what we are is awareness, for example as a concept … in experiencing that it always seemed there would inevitably be some other awareness of that some other observer of this process.
00:57:44

JF: My sense of what goes on is that when … in the first thing that you described … you are sitting and notice a thought, or breathing, sound in the room, as soon as you ... no lets just say interior things not sound in a room … but as soon as you notice, as soon as awareness or consciousness notices something that going on in the mind … then it stops
00:58:24
… and so … usually … and so then absent anything to focus on or to give attention to the awareness then has the leisure the luxury to notice itself … that is my sense of what happens … and so it … but really it could say if we are spaciousness … the thing that is going on the whole time … even when you notice that there is a negative thought … the thing that is doing the noticing is not experiencing the negativity … alright … it’s seeing it!
00:59:13
An so there is evidence there … you know … if you have eyes to see it … there is evidence … the important thing that is going on there is not the seeing of the negativity, it is certainly not the negativity, it is the fact that there is something in my conscious awareness, that can see,  that is not subject to the thing it is seeing … and as soon as that happens the predominant reality, or the restfulness of that seer … you could say … just wants to be with itself.
00:59:55
But as soon as, if a person, if the mind turns on at all, then we retreat from that. The premise of all of it, what is it in me that is doing this … and I think what happens when consciousness is just sensing itself is that the sense of any self has disappeared, fleetingly, usually.
01:00:27
and in fact I think people sometimes have moments like that, that they do not retain, or remember later happened because their minds were so not in the picture then … but I also think, it is possible and I have seen this happen, to be … for the awareness to be aware of itself without that being a trigger for the mind and that can be retained later, that the mind can remember … I do not know how that happens but I have seen it many times.
01:01:10
So it is like something we were talking about a while ago, to me the useful thing to do when sitting in meditation or whatever, when awareness notices negativity, the useful thing to do there, is to be aware of, is to ask the question what is it that is aware of the negativity, not where is the negativity from or what can I do about it.
01:01:40
But what actual function in me is able to see? Where is it located? Some people have a sense of it actually being outside or bigger than or something ...
01:01:53
{Discuss about Sam Harris book “Waking Up: Spirituality without Religion, not transcribed all just snippet ….}

JF: Sam Harris looks at consciousness and asks just that question “How can consciousness become aware of itself?” The short answer is so far we cannot answer that question or how consciousness can recognise itself. But the book according to JF makes very compelling, ordinary, day to day non-spiritual observations about how a person can notice what is going on within themselves.
…
01:03:57

JF: I do not know it is a marvel to me. I feel very fortunate to  be a human being, that can experience consciousness, sensing itself … it’s delicious.
01:04:10

SN: Do you find that people wind up wanting to chase a state of where they feel like they are more aware more of the time and that itself becomes another goal, of trying to see what some of the blocks if you will or side routes that people in your experience go down?
01:04:45

JF: What I notice happening, is even that happens for a while, if they become sort of addicted, to that feeling of it, because it rescues then from the pain of life or something … (SN: Exactly ..) … it is a motivator for a while, what happens and is so lovely and humbling to witness … The more a person actually experiences being in the present, regardless of how unpleasant it is, it really is all that is real, the more they tend to fall out of love with accumulating experience, or making a certain type of experience predominant, or achieving something or “waking up” and I think it is because, time and anything that can happen in time, has ceased to feel tangible to them …
01:05:50
… so ironically some of the people who have been the most devoted earnest seekers, stop being seekers, not because they necessarily woke up, but because … they forget to pay attention to much of anything else besides what is happening right now and they have little by little y learned that it hurts to resist … so they have come to rest in what is happening instead of trying to change it including trying to change themselves and their own experience.
01:06:28
Sometimes they will lament to me, they will say,  I have lost interest in “waking up” … I just laugh … what more wonderful thing could happen.
01:06:40
So even if somebody is trying really hard to have that experience more often, it is probably not going to continue, anyway we cannot make those moments happen, we can’t make ourselves not be reactive, all we can do is see when we are reactive, we can see that we are in resistance, we are in our heads and we have been there for the last however long and as soon as you see that … it often softens … and yes it feels good and I encourage people to pay attention to how it feels - yes it feels lovely … and don’t let the next thing be how can I make this happen more.
01:07:30

SN: Yeah, that is a least a tendency that I see with teachings that point out, lets say, hey there is this awareness and it's here, and it’s always here and people get a sense of that say during a lecture or from reading a book, and the immediate reaction is “Oh I felt it” and now not I don’t feel it and now I want it again (JF: Oh my God … yes) … so I am going to go back to a lecture, more lectures, or sit in more satsangs, and so I can feel it more and more and more until I feel it all the time, or almost all of the time.
01:08:14

JF: Yeah, it does not work. If instead, such a person could make note of the wish to make it happen more and explore what it is in me that wants that it is the same machinery that suffers and it does not want to suffer, it wants to feel good. But we don’t put our attention in the right place. The tendency is to follow that desire and think how can I get it, I should go back to that teacher whatever (SN: Absolutely!). Instead if I were such a person and had that driving desire, if I could just pause for a second, “what am I really?” which is what the whole thing is about, “What am I really?” What is it in me that wants that? Until something leads us to look at that … we are still going to stay on the same loop.
01:09:10
And we might have peaceful moments of great insight but we did not cause them when they happened, we just didn’t … or if we did, it was in spite of our ... maybe if we can look back and say that it was something I did that brought that about, that’s what terrible suffering sometimes brings about in people, you can look back and say, wow, if my house did not had not burnt down my whole sense of myself might not have changed. We can see it in retrospect but, and there are obviously a lot of famous waking up stories, apparently precipitated by some devastation.
01:09:53

SN: Along that line perhaps there are a number of teachers who talk about the importance of earnestness and devoting attention, applying energy and determination and these sorts of very … perhaps masculine qualities of really going after something. Do you see a place for that or do you feel perhaps that those qualities tend to get in the way of what’s there?
[rlo: Alan Watts: “In my own way” - literally my own obstacle!]
01:10:28

JF: Oh, I think that it depends on how that thing expresses itself in a person’s experience and sense of themselves, if it feels like being a task master that’s one thing, it’s not something we can cause in ourselves, to be devoted, or to be earnest, it is something we either we naturally, we can’t help but, move towards something. But to encourage somebody to cultivate that kind of quality or trait if it isn’t naturally there probably isn’t going to get them anywhere but it can be fruitful to see if there is resistance and avoidance.
01:11:13
It looks to me like, in order to for us to benefit from life experience as it bangs into us all the time our willingness and Richard Rose talked about this , our willingness to as it were to sacrifice or to suffer anything without condition, if there is such a willingness, the chances are greater that our life experience will bear fruit.
01:11:45
If there isn’t a willingness, if there are conditions, I remember very clearly having some of my own  conditions, that will surely interfere with the ability of life to teach us, so to me the useful thing is to look and see is, do I have a devotion, do I have an energy, a willingness to sacrifice everything or do we have a list of things that I am not willing to sacrifice.
01:12:15
To observe that these things are functioning can bear fruit, but to say I am going to get rid of the list - that is not how it happens. But as soon as we become aware that there are conditions or tendencies we have that can keep us from absolutely surrendering to life that can be fruitful. But that is really different from saying I am going to be vigilant and I am going to try really, really hard to not have negative thoughts, oh that is so exhausting it is so bad for people that do that and they do not get anywhere and they are tired from it and so discouraged. It is just because it does not work, it is the mind. So some people are naturally given to what you would describe as being devoted. { 01:13:25 ... gap about business …}

JF: Need to trust ourselves deeply, to deeply trust the longing for something and respond. Recipe for feeling more alive.
01:14:30

JF: It seems to me that the deeper we can see into ourselves, into what is fundamentally motivating us, the underlying desire or fear or whatever, it is, that’s when light begin to come on, but as long as we are operating even behaviourally over like what to do for a living, who do I spend time with, if we are operating at any kind of a distance from that deep deep motivation nothing really important is going to happen spiritually or otherwise, we are just going to keep feeling like we are really not living.
01:15:11 - Discussion about stuckness … films …. Feeling still in the natural world … cats …
01:24:00
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01:25:45

JF: If a person senses that there is more to themselves than their minds and their suffering I really encourage them to trust that deep knowing … and just to sit with that knowing … without necessarily saying now what do I do about it … they are tuning into something real and actual and precious, so precious.
01:26:16

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I received a few recommendations for our meeting this week.  Remember, as host, I'm not necessarily posting material that I am in alignment with or material that I feel confident you are in alignment with.  Sometimes it seems good to consider material that may be a little dissonant, a little different.  Doug K sent me this youtube video link of a non-duality teacher that I had not encountered before: Jeff Foster.  Some of you may be familiar with him.  Anyway, I thought the title of the video was interesting: Why I Quit Non-duality.  The video is about fifteen minutes, give or take a minute.  When you get to it on YouTube, you will likely be in Foster's "neighborhood" of videos.  Some of these are interesting to look at as followup on the current video.  I hope this is at least of interest to you, as it is to me.  I suspect it may take us into some discussion.  That's the plan, anyway.  I look forward to seeing y'all tomorrow night.
 
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### why I quit non-duality ###

One could only quit a philosophy or a belief.  A person who would quit non-duality had never experienced it as fact. 


I can't help but thinking that a serious truth seeker should never have taken up any such philosophical labels to begin with, however mysterious and fashionable they are.    Surely, a serious person understands the difference between word and fact. 

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Well said Rui. It’s been the imposter all along. 
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Rui made an interesting point. I haven't looked at the video yet. I'll look at it before the meeting tonight. It should be interesting. Hope to see some of you there.

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I sometimes find it helpful to read the transcript 

This is a Co-Pilot Summary

Why I quit "non-duality" (and fell in love with our vulnerable humanity) - Jeff Foster

Introduction

00:00:00 - 00:00:08 It was the spiritual teacher Thich Nhat Hanh who said the real miracle is not to walk on water; the real miracle is to walk on the earth. I love that because, to me, it speaks to the heart of what true spirituality really is.

Spiritual Teachings and Human Experience

00:00:08 - 00:01:05 When we get into all these spiritual teachings and become spiritual seekers, like I was for many years, it's so easy to get mesmerized by teachings about pure, unadulterated perfection, the end of suffering, and transcending the world. It's easy to forget that we are also human beings with animal bodies, walking on the earth, wonderfully fallible, imperfect, vulnerable, and sensitive human beings, as much as we are pure, perfect, divine, and pure awareness.

The Shadow Side of Spirituality

00:01:05 - 00:02:22 There is a shadow side to spirituality, particularly in my experience with non-duality teachings. For many years, I was considered a non-duality teacher. I had to quit a few years ago because the word "non-duality" was confusing many people and becoming cult-like. Non-duality is a beautiful truth, but it can become dogmatic, leading people to identify solely as pure awareness and suppress their human feelings, doubts, and vulnerabilities.

The Core Truth of Non-Duality

00:02:22 - 00:03:08 On the deepest level, we are this awareness, this vast ocean of pure awareness, unchanging, undying, timeless, ageless, pure spirit, pure divinity. Beneath our life stories, we are the same awareness, the same presence, the same consciousness, the same ocean appearing as separate waves.

The Danger of Non-Duality Teachings

00:03:08 - 00:05:00 The danger of non-duality is that people can become so identified with being pure awareness that it becomes their new identity. They deny their human feelings, doubts, fears, and traumas, suppressing them because their new identity is pure awareness. It starts as a beautiful living truth but can become dogmatic and a new resting place, leading to a sense of superiority and separation from others.

Disillusionment with Spiritual Teachers

00:05:00 - 00:07:00 I met many renowned spiritual teachers and was mostly disappointed. Behind the scenes, they all had doubts, fears, and personal struggles. This realization shattered my expectations and projections, making me understand that we are all just human beings doing our best.

Embracing Imperfection in Daily Life

00:07:00 - 00:09:00 Living spirituality means accepting imperfections, doubts, and vulnerabilities rather than striving for unattainable perfection or enlightenment. It's about embracing our deep humanity and living these teachings in our daily lives.

Non-Duality and Duality Coexist

00:09:00 - 00:11:00 True non-duality is not opposed to the appearance of duality but embraces it fully, like an ocean loving its waves without rejecting them. Non-duality is not separate from the appearance of duality; it's all one movement.

Leaving the Non-Duality Teacher Role

00:11:00 - 00:13:00 I resigned from being a non-duality teacher due to the confusion and dogmatic tendencies surrounding the term and teaching. These days, I am deeply in love with our wonderful, fleshy, earthy, muddy, sensual, imperfect, vulnerable humanity.

Spirituality in All Aspects of Life

00:13:00 - 00:14:35 Divinity and spirituality infuse all parts of life and existence, from the mundane to the profound. True freedom comes from surrendering to the present moment as it is, allowing ourselves to be imperfect.

🙏💙🙏

Rob L-O

I watched the video, read the transcript with time stamps, cleaned it up with Co-Pilot* in word, read the cleaned transcript and these phrases stick with me

~ Thich Nhat Hanh who said the real miracle is not to walk on water; the real miracle is to walk on the earth.

~ It's easy to forget that we are also human beings with animal bodies  ...

~ These days, I am deeply in love with our wonderful, fleshy, earthy, muddy, sensual, imperfect, vulnerable humanity.

~ xxxx freedom comes from surrendering to the present moment as it is, allowing ourselves to be xxxxxxxxx

🙏💙🙏

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Thank you for sending this Rob.  It was helpful to me.  
 
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Sorry to be a little late communicating with you this week.  I didn't receive anything, unless I spaced it, from you to consider for our discussion.  I think maybe we need a rest from outside material anyway.  If something is on your mind relative to our range of subjects, I hope you'll come with comments or a question.  We may have some things that will carry over from out recent conversations.  In any case, I look forward to seeing you tonight at 7 eastern time.  
 
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Hi Zoomsters! 

My husband and I just returned from a stunning trip along the Oregon/Washington coast. We walked/hiked along many beaches and shorelines where the pacific waves crashed ferociously and relentlessly onto the coast. It was cold and deafening and edgy! This was sharply contrasted by the stillness of the Hoh Rainforest (and other forest walks) and lounging by calm lake waters in the warmth of the sun.

Dichotomies seemed to be on bold display! 

Then I read the thread from Paul entitled 'Peace' (a follow up from a Friday zoom group) where he speaks of the ultimate dichotomy; peace and suffering.
 
My daughter is currently on a volunteer trip in Tanzania. From the majority of her stories she recounts the persistent contradictions ..... 
And I wondered, how do these contrasting energies play out experientially for you, me.....us? Where is separation happening? Because peace feels more pleasant, do we falsely lose the sense of self more readily in an act of surrender or does the 'I' sense simply become more subtle? Imperceptible? Is there still a non verbal 'I' enjoying the stillness? Or does it fall away completely? Alternately, do suffering and the separate 'I' codependently arise? 

It was good to be away and good to be home! I look forward to seeing you all again tomorrow! 

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Let's convene as usual tomorrow night at 7 EDT.  Jeffrey A. has sent us some interesting questions to consider.  I've attached them as a Word doc.  I look forward to seeing you all tomorrow night and to digging into these questions and maybe others as well.  
 
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Happy August 14th! 

Our meeting became quite interesting for a number of people last week and there was a request or two to pick up where we left off - with Oneness. 
I hope Bob will be able to join us again to share his wisdom. 
I've included a 7 minute video from Angelo Dilullo entitled 'Do You Really Want to Be ONe with Everything?'
Let's see where things go? 

https://youtu.be/_dQI2WRcEDc?si=768d4TMgp_60ztNl
 
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I received a couple of good recommendations for us this week, but they seemed redundant with recent subjects to me, so I'm flying solo. I will hold the things sent to me and likely use them at a later time.  Problem is, I don't know what would be a good place for us to start our discussions this week.  I ran across a brief video (eight minutes) about Julian of Norwich's notion that "God is the substance of all being."  That premise leads her into some further insights.  We haven't looked at non-duality through the Christian lens in a while, so I thought we might at least start there this time.  Some questions come to me:
 
Does her use of Christian terms such as "God" and "the Divine" create a barrier to her teaching for you?
 
She uses the word "tender" to refer to God's love.  I wonder if that perspective is an issue for you (for us).  
 
What about her use of the word "substance"?  What does she mean by it?  
 
If I think of other questions, I'll send them along.  By the way, I don't claim that this is an esthetically pleasing video.  I was just interested in her ideas.  I look forward to seeing you tomorrow night.  The link to her video is below.  And the meeting link is after that.
 
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This week we have some material from Jeffrey A that explores our engagement with "death" in our lives.  At the very least, let's use this as our starting point tomorrow night.  There are some potent questions here that may lead us to some insights into our own relationship with whatever death may or may not be.  I look forward to seeing you all tomorrow night.  Jeffrey's material comes first, then the invitation and link
 
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Statement on Death (Non-Dual Perspective):
 
In non-duality, death is not the end of a self, because the self as we imagine it never truly existed apart from the whole
 
 
Group Exploration:
  1. When you hear the word “death,” what part of you resists it—and what part feels peace?
     
  2. How does the non-dual perspective—that awareness itself is untouched by birth and death—shift your relationship to mortality?
     
  3. Can you recall a moment when something in you “died” (an identity, a role, an attachment) and notice what remained unchanged?
     
  4. If “life and death” are both appearances in awareness, what does that suggest about how we live now?
     
  5. How does contemplating death as an illusion of separateness affect your sense of connection to others?
     
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Jim and I have not received any material yet so we're sending out an open invitation for queries, ideas and/or musings for Thursday. 
In short, we plan to be spontaneous! 
It's never too late however so if you are sitting on an interesting  piece, feel free to send it in. 

We look forward to seeing everyone on Thursday! 

With Metta, 
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