advertising
xador
So i have an idea about a way to do it.
How about change location with 3 select forms
(state,city,neighbourhood)
Then a page in admin for add banner. In that page you could add a
banner 100*50, a link to a site, a location
(state,city,neighbourhood) and descripcion in 5 words. Then in profile
the option of the user to accept advertising.
In the right sidebar wee could put 3 banners randomly selected
depending on user location and a search form for descriptions.
So i can go to my neighbourhood store or restaurant and ask 10$ (10€)
for advertising that business in my pod.
José Eduardo Kimura Reis
If yes, would the companies sign for it?
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xador
so if we tell people that everything is on the server and there is no
spying script, 99% will accept the banners like an alternative to
donate. I believe that 10$ or 10€ is not to much for a store or for a
restaurant and most of the little business don't need to advertise to
the entire state.
On Dec 20, 7:30 pm, José Eduardo Kimura Reis
<joseduardo.kim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Then in profile the option of the user to accept advertising."
> I see your point, but is it optional?
> If yes, would the companies sign for it?
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> 2011/12/20 xador <xador...@yahoo.com>
Dana Priesing
On 12/20/2011 02:13 PM, xador wrote:
I believe that people don't hate banners, people hate being spayed, so if we tell people that everything is on the server and there is no spying script, 99% will accept the banners like an alternative to donate. I believe that 10$ or 10� is not to much for a store or for a restaurant and most of the little business don't need to advertise to the entire state. On Dec 20, 7:30�pm, Jos� Eduardo Kimura Reis <joseduardo.kim...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Then in profile the option of the user to accept advertising." I see your point, but is it optional? If yes, would the companies sign for it? 2011/12/20 xador <xador...@yahoo.com>
I believe we need advertising in Diaspora. So i have an idea about a way to do it. How about change location with 3 select forms (state,city,neighbourhood) Then a page in admin for add banner. In that page you could add a banner 100*50, a link to a site, �a location (state,city,neighbourhood) and descripcion in 5 words. Then in profile the option of the user to accept advertising. In the right sidebar wee could put 3 banners randomly selected depending on user location and a search form for descriptions. So i can go to my neighbourhood store or restaurant and ask 10$ (10�) for advertising that business in my pod.
Tom Scott
- Who gets that money? Does the pod owner get it or does it go to the Diaspora Foundation?
- How does it monetize? Is that $10 once, or $10/month? If so, how are you going to handle recurring billing?
- Which payment gateway are we going to use? We could either decide on one, or use ActiveMerchant to provide a choice for those who already have an account with a payment gateway.
201.455.PLUS
xador
Is 10$ or 5$ /month or whatever the pod owner believe is the right
price.
On Dec 20, 8:29 pm, Tom Scott <t...@aplusldesign.com> wrote:
> A couple of questions...
> Who gets that money? Does the pod owner get it or does it go to the Diaspora Foundation?
> How does it monetize? Is that $10 once, or $10/month? If so, how are you going to handle recurring billing?
> Which payment gateway are we going to use? We could either decide on one, or use ActiveMerchant to provide a choice for those who already have an account with a payment gateway.
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> Thanks,
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> Tom Scott
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> On Tuesday, December 20, 2011 at 1:20 PM, xador wrote:
> > I believe we need advertising in Diaspora.
> > So i have an idea about a way to do it.
> > How about change location with 3 select forms
> > (state,city,neighbourhood)
> > Then a page in admin for add banner. In that page you could add a
> > banner 100*50, a link to a site, a location
> > (state,city,neighbourhood) and descripcion in 5 words. Then in profile
> > the option of the user to accept advertising.
> > In the right sidebar wee could put 3 banners randomly selected
> > depending on user location and a search form for descriptions.
> > So i can go to my neighbourhood store or restaurant and ask 10$ (10€)
> > for advertising that business in my pod.
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xador
decide what is the best way, there are allot of companies there that
manage online payments.
On Dec 20, 8:46 pm, Tom Scott <t...@aplusldesign.com> wrote:
> Glad we got that cleared up. Any answers for the rest of those points?
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> On Tuesday, December 20, 2011 at 2:41 PM, xador wrote:
> > Who gets that money? The pod owner
> > Is 10$ or 5$ /month or whatever the pod owner believe is the right
> > price.
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xador
another user search for a restaurant in some location, can decide what
is the best option to go, or where to buy wheels cheaper or .......
elf Pavlik
if you guys code it, can you please make it easy to disable per pod?
or maybe juts make it on a fork, which those who want to have ads can choose?
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Joux
> I believe we need advertising in Diaspora.
That is a vague motivation to start a new feature on. I, personally,
believe that many people are annoyed by advertising. Let's put the above
differently:
I believe, that at some point, pod owners might need a way
to get money to cover their hosting.
This is a different thing. Pod owners might use different means to get
some money from their users. Advertising might be one of those. And yes,
the D* software could help by providing a good way of integrating ads.
However, there don't seem to be a lot of pod owners who are crying for
financial support yet. So this feature would solve a theoretical problem
only.
If we wanted to tackle the theoretical monetization problem: Why don't
we start with a feature that helps the pod owners to run donation
campaigns? Or even set up a monthly fee that must be payed by the users?
There are several ways of collecting money. *If* the Diaspora Software
should start worrying about any of these, why start with the most
annoying way, ads?
Plus: In the not-so-precise media, the outcome could easily be "Diaspora
now starts advertising, too".
Sorry if this sounds like a bit of a rant, but I really think this
suggestion
a) doesn't solve an existing problem
and
b) would be one of the bad solutions to it.
Best
j
Jonne Hass
xador
"Diaspora
now starts advertising, too".
The thing is that i would like to have my pod on a managed server, and
i have that donate button from paypal from over a month there and
nothing, not even 1€. Well, i will be patient.I didn't meant to
offend, i was just talking, and i had that idea.
Joux
> The thing is that i would like to have my pod on a managed server, and
> i have that donate button from paypal from over a month there and
> nothing, not even 1�. Well, i will be patient.I didn't meant to
> offend, i was just talking, and i had that idea.
>
OK, this seems to be the real issue then, and I did not want to shut you
up on this.
Maybe it would be a good idea to collect some information on this in the
FAQ for Pod Maintainers on the wiki [1]. Both financial ideas and
technical details.
Having a good documentation about different approaches and their success
will make it easier for users and pod owners to decide on how they are
going to choose/run their pod.
[1] https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/wiki/FAQ-for-Pod-Maintainers
Hugo Connery
I side strongly with Joux.
Perhaps the question could be better addressed by:
"Is there a way for a pod hosting organisation to communicate its need for sustaining support to its community?"
I.e the 'hoster' contacts the community and asks for its support (else the pod disappears).
But, is that not what Diaspora does? Thus, the pod hoster just posts a message to Public and communicates the situation.
E.g
"Hi All, Much as this has been fun, I am in need of funds to contiue this service. X dollars per month for hosting fees,
Y hours of my time @ Z dollars per hours == total required funds of 12 x (X + Y * Z) == total funding for another year of hostig.
Here's my PayPal account, or please contact me for direct donations of cash, artifacts and/or time or other services,
You may even wish to take over the roll of hosting. Indeed, why dont we set up a group to care for our Pod?"
Or something like that.
Why advertising?
Regards, Hugo
S 'Dis' McCarthy
to cover most of a month of hosting, which was enough at the time, but
it was somewhat of a bare minimum response (and follow-up donations
have been $0.)
Personally, I'd do ads in a heartbeat (in fact, I seriously thought
about running over http so that I could plug in google ads) because
most users won't pay for a "free" service. The only way to monetize
them is either sell their data (individually or in aggregate) or their
eyes, in the form of ad impressions and such.
Look at successful "free" service providers - from google to webs to
facebook, every one of them is heavily ad-revenue-driven.
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xador
It's normal that bigger pod will have more users donating, so bigger
pod more money more security better service.
What pod should a user chose ?
So there will be 3 or 5 big pods then 50 or 100 or 1000 little pods
with 5 users each.
That will not be so decentralised social red. Please don't hate me is
just my opinion, if this is not the right place to talk about this
please tell me where should i go.
On Dec 22, 2:31 pm, "S 'Dis' McCarthy" <dc.disconn...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Terkel Sørensen
xador
Wikipedia is decentralised?
> Ok but what about Wikipedia.
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> 2011/12/22 S 'Dis' McCarthy <dc.disconn...@gmail.com>
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> > I basically did that when I was unemployed. I got enough in donations
> > to cover most of a month of hosting, which was enough at the time, but
> > it was somewhat of a bare minimum response (and follow-up donations
> > have been $0.)
>
> > Personally, I'd do ads in a heartbeat (in fact, I seriously thought
> > about running over http so that I could plug in google ads) because
> > most users won't pay for a "free" service. The only way to monetize
> > them is either sell their data (individually or in aggregate) or their
> > eyes, in the form of ad impressions and such.
>
> > Look at successful "free" service providers - from google to webs to
> > facebook, every one of them is heavily ad-revenue-driven.
>
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Webudvikling fra A til Z
Ricardo Wurmus
sense if you want to get financial support for running the pod. The
closer your relationship to the users the more they trust you as the
podmin (which is important as you have total control over their data)
and the more likely they will chip in on the minimal server costs (you
don't need extremely powerful hardware for <100 users).
David Kettler
donations => better uptime completely ignores that bigger pod => more
traffic => worse uptime.
Right now the web is the way it is because we offload all hosting
costs onto the big players who then monetize our data to cover said
costs. The whole goal of diaspora is to shift that balance away from
letting big corps host data in exchange for the rights to sell said
data towards users actually owning your own data. Owning your own
data, or at least keeping it more local, inherently means that the
costs of hosting your data are now no longer offload-able-- you must
cover them yourself. This is best managed by small communities sharing
costs because they have a vested interest in their community's data
being available. The larger the pod, the less connection you have to
its members, the less interest you have in paying to serve their data.
If we encourage pods to monetize through ads, we're headed right back
towards big corps selling user data. Sure, they may do so more
ethically because they're small businesses instead of megacorps, but
the goal is to go even smaller. Diaspora should be a revolution in
this regard, not incremental steps.
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David Kettler
www.DavidKettler.com
Stanford University | Class of 2011
xador
We can't change the world in one day
We can't compete with facebook or google
Facebook is doing bad things, is selling my info, who cares? i Care,
you care but 90% of users in facebook doesn't care.
To change something diaspora first should try to have at least half of
users that facebook has.
Haw will you do that? Making people pay for a service that is there
free?
I believe we should adapt to the way that things are right now,
and give people the option to make their own pod, then step by step
there will be more and more pods supported by little communities.
Wee can't change the world in one day.
There are people there that would like that none of us use a car, that
wee should all go to work in bike, i like that idea but i work at 25Km
from home so,,,
but if tomorrow there will be an electric car that i can afford i will
buy it.
Wee can't change the world in one day, we should do it step by step.
We can have adv without selling users info, that a good start, that
is a step forward, wee can convert the adv in a service, if i have to
go to San Francisco i would search in a list of restaurants in that
location before.
On Dec 22, 11:26 pm, David Kettler <21ech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree completely, Ricardo-- the notion that bigger pod => more
> donations => better uptime completely ignores that bigger pod => more
> traffic => worse uptime.
>
> Right now the web is the way it is because we offload all hosting
> costs onto the big players who then monetize our data to cover said
> costs. The whole goal of diaspora is to shift that balance away from
> letting big corps host data in exchange for the rights to sell said
> data towards users actually owning your own data. Owning your own
> data, or at least keeping it more local, inherently means that the
> costs of hosting your data are now no longer offload-able-- you must
> cover them yourself. This is best managed by small communities sharing
> costs because they have a vested interest in their community's data
> being available. The larger the pod, the less connection you have to
> its members, the less interest you have in paying to serve their data.
>
> If we encourage pods to monetize through ads, we're headed right back
> towards big corps selling user data. Sure, they may do so more
> ethically because they're small businesses instead of megacorps, but
> the goal is to go even smaller. Diaspora should be a revolution in
> this regard, not incremental steps.
>
> --Sent from my phone--
> David Kettlerwww.DavidKettler.com
> Stanford University | Class of 2011
>
Ricardo Wurmus
> We can't change the world in one day
Diaspora is not the world. You can be faithful to an idea nonetheless.
> We can't compete with facebook or google
We don't. They are centralized, Diaspora is not. This is a very
different situation.
> Facebook is doing bad things, is selling my info, who cares? i Care,
> you care but 90% of users in facebook doesn't care.
> To change something diaspora first should try to have at least half of
> users that facebook has.
No. As podmins don't make money off their users, the number of users
is irrelevant, really. I'm very happy to only have about a dozen users
on my pod, all of which I've met in real life.
> I believe we should adapt to the way that things are right now,
> and give people the option to make their own pod, then step by step
> there will be more and more pods supported by little communities.
That's already possible, since day one I think. There are many more
pods other than jd, you know.
> We can have adv without selling users info, that a good start, that
> is a step forward, wee can convert the adv in a service, if i have to
> go to San Francisco i would search in a list of restaurants in that
> location before.
Podmins are free to do what they want with their own pod as long as
they comply with the license (i.e. keep the code free as in freedom).
If the admin of your pod wants to run ads, she certainly can do so.
Sarah Mei
ads. That said, I don't think we'll be building it in to the main code
base in the near term. If someone wants to give it a try in their
fork, it would be interesting to see how it works.