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Jeannine

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Feb 8, 2010, 1:16:25 PM2/8/10
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So some people take drugs, feel better, or worse, and then react to
it.

Other people learn to glitch the system, see that everyone is a
zombie, then react... It's so easy -- rule number 1 leads to rule
number 2 (people don't want to believe they're fucked up, human, or
ordinary) and people are easily exploitable from there!

Others notice even deeper patterns, make choices reflecting that
knowledge and profit from those choices... based on knowledge that is
chemical, psychological, social, or evolutionary in nature.


I think if you're looking for these techniques, you'll find them.


And I think there's a choice that shows up afterwords. For me, I
notice that I could become cynical, or even numb about it all, or even
frustrated about my own complicity in the con (after all, I care about
authenticity, and I love freedom more than I love my own life).. not
that it would matter.


The mentality of a serial killer is trying to fill the void inside!


However, if I treat it like a dance.. . .


--jeannine

PS: I noticed something about dancing the other night, at one of the
coolest clubs in Atlanta. I was one of the only people there enjoying
it.. And everyone was fucked up (remember social rule number 1). The
trick is, I only know how to dance forward through time... there's
nothing to hold on to.

PPS: Anyone ever read or see "Perfume" .? .? .? imagine if after
creating his vision of pure beauty, our man had jumped back in to have
some fun, and discovered all those things he never developed in
himself... But he was too invested in filling the void inside (which
can never be done, foolish one) . . . thus he became disillusioned and
killed himself.

Oinarp Mot

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Feb 8, 2010, 1:29:28 PM2/8/10
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I just do not get how you say you cynical.

Perhaps it is now?

Perhaps it will change

But after my craziness a few days ago I have never felt do strong and
aligned.

Spirit
Mind
Emotion
Matter

I notice it when and when not now and can at least notice it more and
more...

I want to love every aspect of my life aligned.

There is power in it.

Better than the darksude Rick.

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Jeannine

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Feb 8, 2010, 1:45:53 PM2/8/10
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I said "could be" cynical, not "am."

I think everything needs to be integrated.. . . all those wants...

People try to let go of them before they even grasp them.. and
sometimes become stale, or detached from the world. Or underlie their
purity with some biological dissatisfaction. What good to the world
is a pure heart, a clear mind, a beautiful shining face, on a person
sitting in a cave in a mountain in Tibet?

I guess it does some good... but when that person comes down to our
city and shares wine and dancing and meat and lovely loverboys, maybe
we call him Socrates and he changes everything, for 23 centuries and
counting.

I am glad you are feeling more aligned, Tom.

What would the darkside be, Tom? Do you think a person could be
damned forever? Or escape their true nature forever? I think
people's trouble with living based on desire is that it becomes
exhausted and they feel the void inside again... then they devolve
into compulsion or addiction, with all the passion burned out. Or
become frenetic for something new... No one REALLY cares if anything
is the darkside or not, just that it isn't ultimately satisfying.

Hedonism forever,

Jeannine

Mark Ty-Wharton

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Feb 8, 2010, 2:41:21 PM2/8/10
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Rule 3: Cynicism has its own integral beauty

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Feb 8, 2010, 4:35:29 PM2/8/10
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Jeannine,

I love this.

" my own complicity in the con".

I don't even know where to begin, or end, or write.

Awesome!

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Oinarp Mot

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Feb 8, 2010, 6:08:42 PM2/8/10
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I caught that too and... It is a line like that that fires me up...

So we fool ourselves and we fool ourselves about fooling ourselves And
how many funhouse mirrors do we need to look through and break before
we are no longer self duplicitiius?


I believe Twenty has ways of being able to look at and through and
then show us...


I have witnessed others. I do it in golf although I am learning to
step away from the comfort zone of the driving range.


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Oinarp Mot

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Feb 8, 2010, 6:54:30 PM2/8/10
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Jeanine,

And I could be a sarcastic Jersian....

TP

PS. Enjoying not being so fucked up these days.
Bu there is always tomorrow.

Oinarp Mot

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Feb 9, 2010, 10:53:38 AM2/9/10
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Call it programming or patterns or whatever but I know I was born with
a pure heart. Or of the light.

Call it the narcistic wound?

It matters not.

The lessons I needed to learn showed up and are still showing up and
it will go on and on and in...

You would laugh at my crazy past.
Sex drugs and rock and roll baby.

Lots of dancing and reacting.

Mostly self destructive, insecure craziness. Fear of death. Life has
no reason meaning BS.

And yes it was worth it.

I do have some battle scars though.

Rather than going completely I insane I chose love.

Maybe it was not a choice?
May it was my programming but I do feel less angst these days and I
believe it is here to stay.

Truthfully I wish I could have pushed the envelope a few years ago but
no regrets for having turned out the way I have, satisfied.

As it is I am in the process of bringing the folks for a blood test.

I could have said no or had one of my bros do it.

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Jeannine

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Feb 9, 2010, 12:29:58 PM2/9/10
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I think everyone is born with a pure heart.

I think your purity can never be violated.

If I cut off your hand, would you still be you? If we chopped off
your leg, would you still be you? If you had never heard, nor
developed a taste for, your favorite music, would you still be you?
If you had a different favorite toy as a child, would you still be
you? If you hadn't fallen in love with this or that person, would you
still be you?

At which point do you say no?

I think that is where we create the illusion of anything that could be
violated.

:-)

--Jeannine

PS: It's all in not taking one's personality too personally.

Mr. Twenty Twenty

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Feb 9, 2010, 12:56:34 PM2/9/10
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Jeannine,

When are you going to write a book?

I think it would be fun and well worth reading.

(Include plenty of you and your candor.)

Whooo yah!

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Feb 9, 2010, 1:32:27 PM2/9/10
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I will buy it.

But you have to call it rule one.

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Oinarp Mot

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Feb 9, 2010, 4:21:55 PM2/9/10
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Jeanine,

I have just written out a paragraph or two about my beliefs, but
that is exactly what they are....beliefs.

there is no way I can prove what I claim.

It is mostly just a feeling. There is not proof in feelings nor do I
believe anyone should take them at all serious, but...

My feeling suggests there are individuals born of different
realities.

Some are good and some are evil.

Of course we can take it to another level and say...

If you just are then good and even disappear all together.

I am not sure I just am but I do know or better remember how I was
as a child. There was a great deal of innocence and love and....

Circumstance made it necessary at the time for me to become
of the mind.

Circumstance is making it necessary to open my heart.

Circumstance is making it necessary to become more grounded.

when I see there is effectiveness in two areas of my life where all
four of the planes are aligned then
I cannot help to notice the others that are not and where others are
stuck or where they mostly reside.

Nothing too earth shattering here unless you are born of spirit.

TP

Jeannine

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Feb 9, 2010, 4:43:08 PM2/9/10
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Tom,

In all my students I could see their purity.

But there was one, and I thought about her as I typed about purity.
She seemed to genuinely like to hurt other people.

I don't get her.

So who knows, maybe you're right.

Jeannine

Mark Ty-Wharton

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Feb 9, 2010, 6:45:49 PM2/9/10
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I think there is less genetic programming in humans than in animals
and as far as creatures go, we are given a unique opportunity called
language, in which occurs choice.

The purity is always there beneath the language and the choices.

Personality is by design an illusion until we become architects of our
own illusions at which point we can choose it.

No point making it personal till it is your choice.

No point choosing from anywhere other than purity.

Being at peace with yourself?

Nice TP

Cheers

Mark

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Mark Ty-Wharton

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Feb 9, 2010, 6:51:00 PM2/9/10
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I will buy it too jeaninne


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Mark Ty-Wharton

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Feb 9, 2010, 6:54:30 PM2/9/10
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Hmmmm

childhood... I was an evil little bastard -especially when my brother
was born (when I was nearly 2) so I am not sure I remember any of this
innocence and love :-)

It sort of sounds like an ideal to me?

Mark

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Mark Ty-Wharton

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Feb 9, 2010, 6:54:53 PM2/9/10
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Sorry - an ideal as opposed to a belief

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Mark Ty-Wharton

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Feb 9, 2010, 6:55:43 PM2/9/10
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Maybe she had a difficult birth ;-)

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greg

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Feb 10, 2010, 2:41:14 AM2/10/10
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I'm going to try to throw up what would probably be considered a
little jiffily-typed up religion and speculation:

Everyone is born pure, spirit-wise.

That *doesn't* mean all are born equal, spirit-wise or physical-
wise.

Just like with our bodies, our spirits are different, and likely
developed to differing degrees based on choice and perhaps more.

Then, from conception on, we get put in environments, situations,
experiences, where we learn and choose. Sometimes consciously,
sometimes unconsciously.

We get bodies we perhaps didn't choose. Some get chemicals, some get
bad births, etc. "Pollutions". "Impurities."

Some get beliefs, thoughts, words, actions, habits that are
"pollutions", "impurities", etc.

Children are not capable of nor responsible for choice. It takes
certain brain/ thinking abilities for that, and they don't have them.
They can learn, however (though how much and how long the teaching is
needed, etc. is different), and they can especially be trained.

The older we get, the more we get set, yet the more responsible we are
for the choices we make.

It seems that some get a life better than others. No problem, for
later. We will all be judged accordingly.

Purity + impurity =/= purity. White shirt + stain =/= white shirt.

Unless you can get the stain out, and ...

Thus, one reason for religion for many.

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Mark Ty-Wharton

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Feb 10, 2010, 8:16:59 PM2/10/10
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How about "purity + impurity = purity + impurity" everything else is
reasoning.

If we start with what's there and don't add anything...

Except we are not at the start (well I am not at the start, I am about
at 33% give or take a few years - based on a 150 year life span).

So I'll start with 47.

Alice has a rule 42 you know!

And I'll look at what's there.

Purity can be here for me. Doesn't do much for me in the way of
inspiration, I don't feel moved.

Sorry... Bring on the dancing girls :-)

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Mark Ty-Wharton

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Feb 10, 2010, 8:18:15 PM2/10/10
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Just thinking if I could judge myself by my own criteria and ignore
the rules of society, the only pure thing here would be the...

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greg

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Feb 10, 2010, 11:21:05 PM2/10/10
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"150?!" Yeah!!

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On Feb 11, 9:16 am, Mark Ty-Wharton <mark.tywhar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How about "purity + impurity = purity + impurity" everything else is  
> reasoning.
>
> If we start with what's there and don't add anything...
>
> Except we are not at the start (well I am not at the start, I am about  
> at 33% give or take a few years - based on a 150 year life span).
>
> So I'll start with 47.
>
> Alice has a rule 42 you know!
>
> And I'll look at what's there.
>
> Purity can be here for me. Doesn't do much for me in the way of  
> inspiration, I don't feel moved.
>
> Sorry... Bring on the dancing girls :-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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