Re: new book on consciousness

[Mark Ty-Wharton]

On 2 June 2011 17:05, roomsearching <roomse...@gmail.com> wrote:

All thoughts are just algorithms or programs if you will ..for the body-mind to achieve its desires or needs.

the apparent YIN and YANG of this or in the language of this group DUALITY can be seen as :

WHY<<<--->MEANING

I went to the shop

Towards why...

Because I wanted to buy some food

Because I was hungry

Because I had not eaten

Because I had run out of food

Towards meaning...

I have run out of food

I will get hungry

If I do not eat I will die

I feel a sensation in my stomach

I am hungry

I must go to the shop

I must buy food and eat it

I will survive

GREAT PARADIGM

Except when it is played out in generalisations instead of specifics and/or played out in specifics instead of generalisations

Then...

There is a constant chatter in the mind because of different impulses of the body creating different desires.

I think you are missing a step

Impulses of the body create figuring/meaning first

What When Where Who Why

Do any of those words need a question mark?

As a prefix WH is very powerful in language.

Wharton

Oooh Errr

:)

 

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Marcus <marcus...@tubelines.com> wrote:

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Maybe thought is not of the self,   like an energy which appears and
disappears in the many minds,of the many sentient beings.  when they
pretend to be separate.

Who & what wrote all the books ?

Thought ................


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On May 28, 7:24 pm, godszen <gods...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mark Ty-Wharton  wrote:
> > Either you are hacking my site, you are deep inside my mind, or you are my
> > mind.
>
> > With the exception of one word you have the entire premise to the letter of
> > the book I am writing.
>
> maybe we're just seeing the same thing

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[Mr. Twenty Twenty]

Hi Mark,

The belly lets us know when it needs food, one way is that it makes a sound.

The sound is a byproduct of living.

The EST folks keep saying "words create".....

At one point I might have agreed.    

From what I can tell now, words are part of the unfolding of creation.   

Changing the sound, the words CAN effect what follows, but the creative is much earlier.

Hope that was fun for you, it is for me.

My latest article:   http://mr2020.livejournal.com/12919.html

Hugs,

20

PS:  A great new recording - http://mr2020.livejournal.com/12919.html

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[Mark Ty-Wharton]

The EST folks keep saying "words create".....

That is not quite what EST is about.

While EST was about Enlightenment it was as much about Transformation and Landmark Education ran with the theme.

It goes something along the lines of.

You do not have absolute power over what happens (to you).

You have absolute power over the context in which you hold the events which unfold in your life.

Who you are being is correlated to (in a dance with) who you say you are about what is happening in your world.

So my car gets a flat.

Conversation 1 "I am a fucking loser, why does this always happen to me, my life sucks etc"

This guy uses lots of energy kicking his truck, goes to a bar, rolls in at 1am and takes it out on his wife and probably lives in a viscous circle called 'BEING a loser'

Conversation 2 "Okay, my truck got a flat for the fifth time this month, what action can I take to prevent getting more flats" 

This guy recognises that anything added to the flat is a story about it.

This guy recognises that by accepting "what's so" he can get to the heart of the matter

Maybe this guy needs to buy new tires and not beer?

This guy may even recognise "when unexpected bad things happen to me, I notice I have a conversation with myself about being a loser, is that really true?"

Okay the point is, perhaps nothing could have prevented the flat.

The first guy in his belief he is a loser, uses the opportunity to prove to himself what a loser he really is and illuminates and acts out a huge drama or story about it.

The second guy recognises he has a story about it and CREATES something in conversation to prevent it from happening again.

He might say "who I am is the possibility of maintaining my truck"

Then when he keeps his word around this and maintains his truck such that he gets less flats, it can be seen that who he is BEING is his WORD and that in BEING his WORD he creates a possibility of a truck which has less flats.

So put simply, his word creates his environment.

Either way, flats or no flats, the second conversation would be a transformed approach, has more options other than REACTION / STORY.

To be honest it is dumb, plain, simple and my problem with it is I like it complicated LOL

At one point I might have agreed.    

From what I can tell now, words are part of the unfolding of creation.   

Sure, I agree and language is just noise and people rarely hear a word you say anyway.

I listened to some of your recordings twenty times (said in context LOL) before I got what you were saying.

I type up stuff I dictate and check it back and I have typed something totally different to what I just said.

We need BIG symbolism in language.

BIG symbols, simple words.

Hey maybe there is a subculture for you right there?

BIG SYMBOL NLP?

Take some native symbols 

WOLF

MOUNTAIN

FIRE

TRIBE

FAMILY

etc

Actually I am sure you have already done that ;)

 

Changing the sound, the words CAN effect what follows, but the creative is much earlier.

Yup

I accidentally threw someone into a total blank staring trance the other day - we were talking about consciousness and I invited her to look for self in a place I have been writing about and pow - just hit the vanishing point and glazed over - I had to gently get them back - it was weird to watch because I have no real interest in doing it - I actually want people here with me in the real world listening to my ideas LOL

 

Hope that was fun for you, it is for me.

My latest article:   http://mr2020.livejournal.com/12919.html

Will check it out thanks

Mark

[Mr. Twenty Twenty]

Thanks Mark.

Great distinctions, very accurate from what I notice.

About Landmark, est, people....

And me.

Hugs mate!