Change and Learning

[greg]

A few questions, if anyone would like to answer, generally or
personally:


Are learning and change the same thing? If not, what's the
difference?

Does all learning involve change?

Does all change involve learning?

Does learning always involve conscious change or awareness of a
change?

What are the best ways to show that learning has occurred?

Do new experiences always cause change?

Does change always involve new experiences or realizations?

What finally gets someone who has been stewing/ contemplating change
for years, finally just... do it?

[Mr. Twenty Twenty]

H Greg,

Let me dance with you mate.

> Are learning and change the same thing?  If not, what's the
> difference?

Learning is about knowledge, maybe wisdom if one is incorporating it.

Change, that's about "you" or "your world".

> Does all learning involve change?

Never. <wink> And Always disregard words like, all, every, never.

>
> Does all change involve learning?

If awareness has that capacity. Yes.

> Does learning always involve conscious change or awareness of a
> change?

Not from what I have observed.

>
> What are the best ways to show that learning has occurred?

Demonstrate it.

> Do new experiences always cause change?

Change to me is something substantial. So to me, no.

>
> Does change always involve new experiences or realizations?

Absolutely. A new way of experiencing.

>
> What finally gets someone who has been stewing/ contemplating change
> for years, finally just... do it?

Join me in Australia and find out.

http://www.warriorsmagic.com

Whoooo yah!

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[Mark Ty-Wharton]

Are learning and change the same thing?  If not, what's the
difference?

No.

Learning is the acquisition of knowledge.

Change happens as fast as you can blink but you will never experience it that way.

What is happening for you will be a seamless linear experience.

You are however in a constant flux.

Spin a sparkler in front of your face.

Write your name.

Is it really there?

The illusion unveiled!

 

Does all learning involve change?

Yes, always. 

Does all change involve learning?

No

Does learning always involve conscious change or awareness of a
change?

Ah, no it doesn't. We are not always aware of change, particularly within viewpoints when everything looks the same at first blush and yet...

 

What are the best ways to show that learning has occurred?

Learning could be measured by results or by a test I guess. Hard to answer without knowing the context. 

Do new experiences always cause change?

No, change causes new experience. If you are viewing the world truly experientially you are not at cause in the matter at all. In fact there is no real you!

 

Does change always involve new experiences or realizations?

No

 

What finally gets someone who has been stewing/ contemplating change
for years, finally just... do it?

The problem is in the question. The identifier, the changer is the one that must be removed from the equation to solve the puzzle. This or that? Forcing up against my own mind in order to...

WHAT?

There is the doer doing A that's all.

Whatever is happening is the choice, I don't care what noise you are making about it.

When the change has happened the changer won't even know why, may not even experience it as a change. Depends who they are and their perspective.

Hope that helps.

Mark

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[Mark Ty-Wharton]

> Do new experiences always cause change?

Change to me is something substantial.   So to me, no.

 

There you go you see, two very different answers and all down to one simple contextual shift.

Change for me is incomprehensibly subtle.

I lose 600 skin cells on this keyboard every second I sit here typing.

Now if I could charge you a dollar for each of those :-)

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[Mr. Twenty Twenty]

Loving the play.

For what it's worth, I have changed.

My location on planet earth has changed.   My way of relating to people, places and things has changed.   My love of life has changed.

Boy does that involve those around me and me LEARNING TONS.

How do you relate to a man who's experience of "love, place, people" has all shifted both "small and big" chunk at the same time?

How do you relate to a man who simply loves.......

How do you relate to a man who gets on one level that everyone on the planet totally gets "what his thing is" and on another gets that almost everyone, almost all the time, attempts to hide themselves and hide themselves from the truth?

And that they are begging to be set free, and to be touched and to touch....

Anyhooo.....

Writing and reading poetry have become vital.....   because I see, feel and hear the folly of this kind of writing.

So here goes.

Rich blood moves within....

The beating heart - pulsating - with blood and with love....

Never pumping the exact same blood twice...

Always discovering a totally unique love....

In the moment - we are.

In eternity - we be.

Enjoy,

Mr2020

[dcheez]

Thanks, Mark and Twenty Twenty, for sharing here.

I had imagined there might be some differences in the answers,
especially when a lot might be what the words really mean to us. (I
was thinking about "personal" change when I wrote "change".)

Seeing as I started the game, it's only fair I play along, too, eh?

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Are learning and change the same thing? If not, what's the
difference?

No. Learn (and its opposite, to be fair): change in knowing. Change:
difference in something; could be learning.
Are forgetting and learning true opposites?

Does all learning involve change?

Yes.

Does all change involve learning?

Yes. At some point, it did. It doesn't mean that anything changed,
then. Just that there was the potential/ allowing for it. It could
be argued that "nature changes", etc. But/ So, can "nature learn"?

Does learning always involve conscious change or awareness of a
change?

No. In fact, I'd say that most learning doesn't.

What are the best ways to show that learning has occurred?

Keep a journal, take tests (before and after), observe and listen to
observers, notice. It seems easier when the results can easily be
physically tallied.

Do new experiences always cause change?

Don't know. I'd say not necessarily, though the possibility will
exist.

Does change always involve new experiences or realizations?

Yes, at least at one time it did.

What finally gets someone who has been stewing/ contemplating change
for years, finally just... do it?

Wouldn't we all love to know!
I have learned some things once, clearly, easily, never forgotten.
On the other hand, I have studied some things over and over, and ... :
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[Oinarp Mot]

Define change.

Every moment we are alive we are in a constant flux.

We are in a total chaotic state.

What appears to stay the same is ever changing.

A new liver every six to seven weeks.
A new skin every seven years.
A new...

Tp 2010 is not the same as Tp 2001.

Here's the problem with perception.

Change happens so slowly we hardly notice it.
Patience. Patients.

Here is the rub. We do not always get the change we
are aware of getting.

We do not always get the change we are after, and
as sure as I am I am going to wake up tomorrow there
will be change.

Some of us have epiphanies.
Some of us experience life's magnitude right in the
same backyard we'd grown up in.

Life, change happens regardless of whether we
are aware...

Now a better question is:
How do you change something and get results consciously?

And my answer to that is: TWENTY?

And my answer to that is: Appreciation and Gratitude and Love.

*****

Twenty,
Let's skype.

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