Though I don’t personally agree with the stance being suggested, I sense a groundswell towards revising this text and as Editor must try to find a consensus solution. Bob, as the instigator of this thread, would you please propose a revision, and be kind enough to follow the process for doing so per my mail of yesterday evening.
Thanks,
R
Richard G. WILSHER
CEO, Zygma LLC
O: +1 714 965 99 42
M: +1 714 797 99 42
From: dg-nstic...@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-nstic...@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Frazier-McElveen, Myisha
Sent: 14 July 2011 17:14
To: dg-n...@kantarainitiative.org
Subject: Re: [DG-NSTIC] Mature draft KI NDG Response - v0.1.0
+1
Sincerely,
Myisha
Myisha Frazier-McElveen
Identity Management Practice Manager
Truestone
13873 Park Center Road
Herndon, VA 20171
(O) 703-766-6203
(M) 240-751-7780
From: dg-nstic...@kantarainitiative.org on behalf of Mark Lizar
Sent: Thu 7/14/2011 4:38 AM
To: Bob Pinheiro
Cc: dg-n...@kantarainitiative.org
Subject: Re: [DG-NSTIC] Mature draft KI NDG Response - v0.1.0
+1
I made this comment on a call and also think that funding foriegin travel should be removed.
On 14 Jul 2011, at 05:38, Bob Pinheiro wrote:
I also made the comment (Q4.5) that the Kantara NOI response should not propose that the government fund foreign travel by Steering Group members. My comment was not accepted, with the explanation that "if the government wants international participation, it has to be prepared to fund whatever actions are required."
OK, so in advance of Bob's edit, and thinking that cutting the references to funding leaves KI's response to 4.5 pretty bare, can I suggest we give NSTIC another alternative (one I have already hinted at hiding behind the term 'political conundrums' in a previouos post).
If NSTIC wants particular input from overseas organisations (and I can't speak for private sector here, but take for example a government agency), … to have a better than 50/50 chance of getting that input, they would be well advised to approach it through diplomatic channels. So if the request flows .. NSTIC - Dept of Commerce - foreign embassy in DC or a US embassy in target nation..... then the resultant yes/no decision comes out of the machinations of diplomatic quid pro quos/Heads of State Offices etc and arrives at the agency bosses desk as 'you are inputting to NSTIC - make it so', as opposed to the agency or agency personnel being approached direct and the boss weighing up the costs and benefits of engagement. The latter approach often gets put into the 'too hard' basket and quietly dropped..)
--Brett
On Jul 14, 2011, at 11:36 PM, Colin Wallis wrote:
OK, so in advance of Bob's edit, and thinking that cutting the references to funding leaves KI's response to 4.5 pretty bare, can I suggest we give NSTIC another alternative (one I have already hinted at hiding behind the term 'political conundrums' in a previouos post).
If NSTIC wants particular input from overseas organisations (and I can't speak for private sector here, but take for example a government agency), … to have a better than 50/50 chance of getting that input, they would be well advised to approach it through diplomatic channels. So if the request flows .. NSTIC - Dept of Commerce - foreign embassy in DC or a US embassy in target nation..... then the resultant yes/no decision comes out of the machinations of diplomatic quid pro quos/Heads of State Offices etc and arrives at the agency bosses desk as 'you are inputting to NSTIC - make it so', as opposed to the agency or agency personnel being approached direct and the boss weighing up the costs and benefits of engagement. The latter approach often gets put into the 'too hard' basket and quietly dropped..)
So it would read something like this then (attached)
Cheers
Colin
________________________________
From: R...@Zygma.biz<mailto:R...@Zygma.biz>
To: dg-n...@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:dg-n...@kantarainitiative.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:34:29 +0000
Subject: Re: [DG-NSTIC] Mature draft KI NDG Response - v0.1.0 - Funding aliens
Though I don’t personally agree with the stance being suggested, I sense a groundswell towards revising this text and as Editor must try to find a consensus solution. Bob, as the instigator of this thread, would you please propose a revision, and be kind enough to follow the process for doing so per my mail of yesterday evening.
Thanks,
R
Richard G. WILSHER
CEO, Zygma LLC
O: +1 714 965 99 42
M: +1 714 797 99 42
www.Zygma.biz<http://www.zygma.biz/>
From: dg-nstic...@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:dg-nstic...@kantarainitiative.org> [mailto:dg-nstic...@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Frazier-McElveen, Myisha
Sent: 14 July 2011 17:14
To: dg-n...@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:dg-n...@kantarainitiative.org>
Subject: Re: [DG-NSTIC] Mature draft KI NDG Response - v0.1.0
+1
Sincerely,
Myisha
Myisha Frazier-McElveen
Identity Management Practice Manager
Truestone
13873 Park Center Road
Herndon, VA 20171
(O) 703-766-6203
(M) 240-751-7780
________________________________
From: dg-nstic...@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:dg-nstic...@kantarainitiative.org> on behalf of Mark Lizar
Sent: Thu 7/14/2011 4:38 AM
To: Bob Pinheiro
Cc: dg-n...@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:dg-n...@kantarainitiative.org>
Subject: Re: [DG-NSTIC] Mature draft KI NDG Response - v0.1.0
+1
I made this comment on a call and also think that funding foriegin travel should be removed.
On 14 Jul 2011, at 05:38, Bob Pinheiro wrote:
I also made the comment (Q4.5) that the Kantara NOI response should not propose that the government fund foreign travel by Steering Group members. My comment was not accepted, with the explanation that "if the government wants international participation, it has to be prepared to fund whatever actions are required."
_______________________________________________ DG-NSTIC mailing list DG-N...@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:DG-N...@kantarainitiative.org> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-nstic
<NSTIC Governance NOI - KI comment form v0 1 0 NZ.docx>_______________________________________________
DG-NSTIC mailing list
DG-N...@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:DG-N...@kantarainitiative.org>
http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-nstic
Bob
OK, so DLW chimed in as I was about to hit 'Send' - I like that too David.
Done,
R
Richard G. WILSHER
CEO, Zygma LLC
O: +1 714 965 99 42
M: +1 714 797 99 42
www.Zygma.biz
Bob
>>> government agency), . to have a better than 50/50 chance of getting