RE: Digest for dfwsportsmed@googlegroups.com - 3 Messages in 1 Topic
Karin Hosenfeld BS, RD/LD
Thanks Brian and Guy (and those that responded to me privately). What a wealth of knowledge! I’ll pass this on to the athlete that asked, but also I learned something today, too. Thanks again,
Karin E. Hosenfeld MS, RD/LD
Registered, Licensed Dietitian
Team Dietitian, Allen Americans Hockey Team
Plano Family YMCA Board Member
Plano, Texas (214) 704-9179
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- Airrosti [3 Updates]
Topic: Airrosti
"Brian Mulhall" <drmu...@activespineandsport.com> Oct 12 06:23PM -0500 ^
Airrosti is a corporation that hires new chiropractors who are fresh out of school. They train them a month then places them in MD/DO practices as the soft tissue specialist. The treatments are based on FDM or Fascial Distortion Model, that was created by Steven Typaldos D.O. who passed away back in 2006, along with integrating rehabilitative exercises and Kinesio Taping.
Airrosti actually cut and pasted about half of the FDM textbook into their manual. You can get the textbook and learn more about FDM/Typaldos at http://www.orthopathy.com/index.html.
The Airrosti model is growing quickly because they don’t pay the new docs much and they can bill a lot for their services. There isn’t much if any evidence of effectiveness because I’m guessing Airrosti doesn’t feel as though they need it. Their business model is growing rapidly and that means there have to be happy patients and happy docs somewhere. It’s more of a business than a technique they want to validate. I’ve had patients that have used it before and some have had great results and some said it just didn’t do much at all.
There is a big sense of secrecy with the entire corporation and they won’t really tell you much about any of what they do or how they are structured and don’t offer classes on their techniques. I have just met some Airrosti docs recently and got some info out of them.
If you are a manual based therapist the FDM info can be helpful and works well with some cases – but just like any tool in the tool box – you want to use it with the right patient with the right condition at the right time in their recovery.
Brian Mulhall
<http://www.activespineandsport.com/> http://www.activespineandsport.com
From: dfwspo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:dfwspo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Guy Terry PT, OCS
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:17 PM
To: dfwspo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Airrosti
"The Airrosti" are a group of chiropractors that operate inside family medicine clinics managed by Medical Edge Healthcare. They state that they treat patients individually, using fascial treatment - which they say is wholly neglected by other practitioners. They are not physical therapists, and should not be identified as such.
They are a good revenue source for the family medicine practice however, as they conduct outreach that physical therapists are prohibited from doing by Texas law. For example, they can go to an event, talk to an injured athlete, tape him/her and apply some other kind of stretch, and then ask the athlete to schedule an appointment with the family practice physician to continue "therapy" in the office. PTs are prohibited by law from offering any advice, providing any treatment, or providing any assistive device to someone who is symptomatic.
As for their evidence: the last time I visited the evidence page of their website, it was a list of references that nearly all came from the Journal of Orthopedic and Sports Physical Therapy. The articles they cited (general orthopedic articles) did not seem to have any connection with their fascia-based treatment approach, however. Their approach appears to be something similar to the Fascial Distortion Model of musculoskeletal injury. I have had several patients that saw me after treatment. Although their website claims complete resolution of most problems in 2-4 visits, most of my patients have had about 10-12. They could use insurance if their plan covered chiropractic, but most paid cash.
Guy
Guy L Terry PT, OCS
Orthopaedic Physical Therapy Specialist
www.terry-rehab.com
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Physical Rehabilitation & Functional Testing
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On 10/12/2011 2:03 PM, Karin Hosenfeld BS, RD/LD wrote:
One of the athletes I work with asked me about Airrosti. Here was the comment:
Have you heard of Airrosti? [Some] have said that it has helped athletes recover from sprains and strains in a matter of days. Sounds too good to be true. Just wondering what you know about it.
Of course, I’m not a PT so I thought I would ask you all about this. THANKS!
I hope everyone is enjoying this beautiful fall weather. See you Tuesday night at Journal Club.
Karin E. Hosenfeld MS, RD/LD
Registered, Licensed Dietitian
Team Dietitian, Allen Americans Hockey Team
Plano Family YMCA Board Member
Plano, Texas (214) 704-9179
www.northdallasnutrition.com <http://www.northdallasnutrition.com/>
Follow me on Twitter:
www.twitter.com/Karin_Hosenfeld
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* PT in Southlake <> [5 Updates]
Topic: PT in Southlake <http://groups.google.com/group/dfwsportsmed/t/68e9786d1ab0e9f9>
SHANE MILLER <SHANE....@childrens.com> Jul 11 08:40PM ^ <>
Children's has recently opened a specialty care center in Southlake and I (along with Dr. Phil Wilson) will be seeing patients out there. I'm looking for recommendations for sports physical therapists in the area (as well as Keller, Grapevine, HEB or other surrounding areas) for future reference, as we will likely begin seeing more young athletes needing PT services in that area. Any suggestions are appreciated, and will be added to our referral list. Thanks in advance for your input.
Shane Miller
Shane Miller, MD
Assistant Professor of Orthopaedics and Pediatrics
Children's Medical Center of Dallas
UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas
shane....@childrens.com <mailto:shane....@childrens.com%3cmailto:shane....@childrens.com> <mailto:shane....@childrens.com>
www.childrens.com/sportsmedicine<http://www.childrens.com/sportsmedicine>
469-303-3000
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"Dr. Walter" <JWa...@txorthopaedic.com> Jul 11 08:45PM -0500 ^ <>
Ben Hogan PT in Keller does a great job with my patients.
James C Walter, II MD
Texas Orthopaedic Associates
6020 West Parker Road #240
Plano, TX 75093
4401 Long Prairie Road #500
Flower Mound, TX 75028
972-378-1438
www.txorthopaedic.com
<kdu...@tx.rr.com> Jul 11 09:53PM -0400 ^ <>
Ben Hogan. Great name.
;) -K
--
Dr. Dubrow's Golf Fitness & Physical Therapy, On Your Team To Improve Your Swing
Steve Meyers <sjmey...@gmail.com> Jul 12 08:27AM -0500 ^ <>
In Keller, in addition to Ben Hogan, Bentz PT does a great job. Also, Reata
PT in HEB. Reata also owns Colleyville PT.
sjm
Steven J. Meyers, M.D.
Sports Medicine Physician
THC Bone and Joint Clinic
1651 W. Rosedale #200
Fort Worth, TX 76104
817-335-4316
www.THCBoneAndJoint.com
ryan modlinski <ryanmo...@gmail.com> Jul 12 10:17AM -0500 ^ <>
In addition to already mentioned, Bob Marwood at Pinnacle in Grapevine is
very good with athletes.
Ryan Modlinski
Joe Goodwin <jgoodwi...@att.net> Oct 12 08:30PM -0700 ^
I had heard of an organization doing this, but didn't know their name. Karin,
best advice to tell your athlete is what Brian already mentioned: if you come to
the party wielding a hammer, funny how EVERYTHING looks like a nail. In other
words if you have only 1 solution to all problems presented, it's amazing how
they all fit so neatly into that treatment paradigm. Sometimes that works great,
and sometimes they are seen for 8 visits for an ankle sprain and are no
better(really, just soft tissue work, not even a rudimentary balance program??).
I would have them look for someone who can utilize this technique if that is
something they are interested in pursuing, but who can also utilize other manual
techniques and exercise for a more complete package.
Joe Goodwin PT, OCS, CFMT,CSCS
Owner/Clinical Director-Richardson Spine and Sports Therapy
375 Municipal Drive, Suite 108
Richardson, Texas 75080
214.575.4040
Fax 214.575.4041
www.rsstpt.com
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From: "Karin Hosenfeld BS, RD/LD" <khose...@sbcglobal.net>
To: dfwspo...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 12, 2011 2:03:24 PM
Subject: Airrosti
One of the athletes I work with asked me about Airrosti. Here was the comment:
Have you heard of Airrosti? [Some] have said that it has helped athletes
recover from sprains and strains in a matter of days. Sounds too good to be
true. Just wondering what you know about it.
Of course, I’m not a PT so I thought I would ask you all about this. THANKS!
I hope everyone is enjoying this beautiful fall weather. See you Tuesday night
at Journal Club.
Karin E. Hosenfeld MS, RD/LD
Registered, Licensed Dietitian
Team Dietitian, Allen Americans Hockey Team
Plano Family YMCA Board Member
Plano, Texas (214) 704-9179
www.northdallasnutrition.com
Follow me on Twitter:
www.twitter.com/Karin_Hosenfeld
Read my Blog:
http://northdallasnutrition.blogspot.com/
Follow me on Facebook:
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* PT in Southlake [5 Updates]
Topic: PT in Southlake
SHANE MILLER <SHANE....@childrens.com> Jul 11 08:40PM ^
Children's has recently opened a specialty care center in Southlake and I (along
with Dr. Phil Wilson) will be seeing patients out there. I'm looking for
recommendations for sports physical therapists in the area (as well as Keller,
Grapevine, HEB or other surrounding areas) for future reference, as we will
likely begin seeing more young athletes needing PT services in that area. Any
suggestions are appreciated, and will be added to our referral list. Thanks in
advance for your input.
Shane Miller
Shane Miller, MD
Assistant Professor of Orthopaedics and Pediatrics
Children's Medical Center of Dallas
UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas
shane....@childrens.com<mailto:shane....@childrens.com>
www.childrens.com/sportsmedicine<http://www.childrens.com/sportsmedicine>
469-303-3000
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"Dr. Walter" <JWa...@txorthopaedic.com> Jul 11 08:45PM -0500 ^
Ben Hogan PT in Keller does a great job with my patients.
James C Walter, II MD
Texas Orthopaedic Associates
6020 West Parker Road #240
Plano, TX 75093
4401 Long Prairie Road #500
Flower Mound, TX 75028
972-378-1438
www.txorthopaedic.com
<kdu...@tx.rr.com> Jul 11 09:53PM -0400 ^
Ben Hogan. Great name.
;) -K
--
Dr. Dubrow's Golf Fitness & Physical Therapy, On Your Team To Improve Your Swing
Steve Meyers <sjmey...@gmail.com> Jul 12 08:27AM -0500 ^
In Keller, in addition to Ben Hogan, Bentz PT does a great job. Also, Reata
PT in HEB. Reata also owns Colleyville PT.
sjm
Steven J. Meyers, M.D.
Sports Medicine Physician
THC Bone and Joint Clinic
1651 W. Rosedale #200
Fort Worth, TX 76104
817-335-4316
www.THCBoneAndJoint.com
ryan modlinski <ryanmo...@gmail.com> Jul 12 10:17AM -0500 ^
In addition to already mentioned, Bob Marwood at Pinnacle in Grapevine is
very good with athletes.
Ryan Modlinski
Robert Dimeff <Robert...@UTSouthwestern.edu> Oct 13 04:23AM ^
Excellent comments Brian. There is much truth to the healing effects of the laying of the hands and power of touch.
Remember the placebo effect is 30-50% of our treatment; and the more invasive, painful, expensive, etc, the treatment, the better the results.
Rjd
Sorry for brevity, sent from my Blackberry Tour
Robert J. Dimeff, MD
Medical Director of Sports Medicine
Professor Orthopaedics, Pediatrics, and Family Medicine
UT Southwestern Medical Center
1801 Inwood Road
Dallas, Texas 75390-8883
214-645-8740
From: Brian Mulhall [mailto:drmu...@activespineandsport.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 06:23 PM
To: dfwspo...@googlegroups.com <dfwspo...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Airrosti
Airrosti is a corporation that hires new chiropractors who are fresh out of school. They train them a month then places them in MD/DO practices as the soft tissue specialist. The treatments are based on FDM or Fascial Distortion Model, that was created by Steven Typaldos D.O. who passed away back in 2006, along with integrating rehabilitative exercises and Kinesio Taping.
Airrosti actually cut and pasted about half of the FDM textbook into their manual. You can get the textbook and learn more about FDM/Typaldos at http://www.orthopathy.com/index.html.
The Airrosti model is growing quickly because they don’t pay the new docs much and they can bill a lot for their services. There isn’t much if any evidence of effectiveness because I’m guessing Airrosti doesn’t feel as though they need it. Their business model is growing rapidly and that means there have to be happy patients and happy docs somewhere. It’s more of a business than a technique they want to validate. I’ve had patients that have used it before and some have had great results and some said it just didn’t do much at all.
There is a big sense of secrecy with the entire corporation and they won’t really tell you much about any of what they do or how they are structured and don’t offer classes on their techniques. I have just met some Airrosti docs recently and got some info out of them.
If you are a manual based therapist the FDM info can be helpful and works well with some cases – but just like any tool in the tool box – you want to use it with the right patient with the right condition at the right time in their recovery.
Brian Mulhall
http://www.activespineandsport.com<http://www.activespineandsport.com/>
From: dfwspo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:dfwspo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Guy Terry PT, OCS
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:17 PM
To: dfwspo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Airrosti
"The Airrosti" are a group of chiropractors that operate inside family medicine clinics managed by Medical Edge Healthcare. They state that they treat patients individually, using fascial treatment - which they say is wholly neglected by other practitioners. They are not physical therapists, and should not be identified as such.
They are a good revenue source for the family medicine practice however, as they conduct outreach that physical therapists are prohibited from doing by Texas law. For example, they can go to an event, talk to an injured athlete, tape him/her and apply some other kind of stretch, and then ask the athlete to schedule an appointment with the family practice physician to continue "therapy" in the office. PTs are prohibited by law from offering any advice, providing any treatment, or providing any assistive device to someone who is symptomatic.
As for their evidence: the last time I visited the evidence page of their website, it was a list of references that nearly all came from the Journal of Orthopedic and Sports Physical Therapy. The articles they cited (general orthopedic articles) did not seem to have any connection with their fascia-based treatment approach, however. Their approach appears to be something similar to the Fascial Distortion Model of musculoskeletal injury. I have had several patients that saw me after treatment. Although their website claims complete resolution of most problems in 2-4 visits, most of my patients have had about 10-12. They could use insurance if their plan covered chiropractic, but most paid cash.
Guy
Guy L Terry PT, OCS
Orthopaedic Physical Therapy Specialist
www.terry-rehab.com
________________________________
Terry Rehabilitation & Testing
Physical Rehabilitation & Functional Testing
________________________________
Visit our new website and KnowledgeBase
On 10/12/2011 2:03 PM, Karin Hosenfeld BS, RD/LD wrote:
One of the athletes I work with asked me about Airrosti. Here was the comment:
Have you heard of Airrosti? [Some] have said that it has helped athletes recover from sprains and strains in a matter of days. Sounds too good to be true. Just wondering what you know about it.
Of course, I’m not a PT so I thought I would ask you all about this. THANKS!
I hope everyone is enjoying this beautiful fall weather. See you Tuesday night at Journal Club.
Karin E. Hosenfeld MS, RD/LD
Registered, Licensed Dietitian
Team Dietitian, Allen Americans Hockey Team
Plano Family YMCA Board Member
Plano, Texas (214) 704-9179
www.northdallasnutrition.com<http://www.northdallasnutrition.com/>
Follow me on Twitter:
www.twitter.com/Karin_Hosenfeld<http://www.twitter.com/Karin_Hosenfeld>
Read my Blog:
http://northdallasnutrition.blogspot.com<http://northdallasnutrition.blogspot.com/>
Follow me on Facebook:
www.facebook.com/NorthDallasNutrition<http://www.facebook.com/NorthDallasNutrition>
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* PT in Southlake [5 Updates]
Topic: PT in Southlake<http://groups.google.com/group/dfwsportsmed/t/68e9786d1ab0e9f9>
SHANE MILLER <SHANE....@childrens.com<mailto:SHANE....@childrens.com>> Jul 11 08:40PM ^
Children's has recently opened a specialty care center in Southlake and I (along with Dr. Phil Wilson) will be seeing patients out there. I'm looking for recommendations for sports physical therapists in the area (as well as Keller, Grapevine, HEB or other surrounding areas) for future reference, as we will likely begin seeing more young athletes needing PT services in that area. Any suggestions are appreciated, and will be added to our referral list. Thanks in advance for your input.
Shane Miller
Shane Miller, MD
Assistant Professor of Orthopaedics and Pediatrics
Children's Medical Center of Dallas
UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas
shane....@childrens.com<mailto:shane....@childrens.com<mailto:shane....@childrens.com%3cmailto:shane....@childrens.com>>
www.childrens.com/sportsmedicine<http://www.childrens.com/sportsmedicine><http://www.childrens.com/sportsmedicine>
469-303-3000
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"Dr. Walter" <JWa...@txorthopaedic.com<mailto:JWa...@txorthopaedic.com>> Jul 11 08:45PM -0500 ^
Ben Hogan PT in Keller does a great job with my patients.
James C Walter, II MD
Texas Orthopaedic Associates
6020 West Parker Road #240
Plano, TX 75093
4401 Long Prairie Road #500
Flower Mound, TX 75028
972-378-1438
www.txorthopaedic.com<http://www.txorthopaedic.com>
<kdu...@tx.rr.com<mailto:kdu...@tx.rr.com>> Jul 11 09:53PM -0400 ^
Ben Hogan. Great name.
;) -K
--
Dr. Dubrow's Golf Fitness & Physical Therapy, On Your Team To Improve Your Swing
Steve Meyers <sjmey...@gmail.com<mailto:sjmey...@gmail.com>> Jul 12 08:27AM -0500 ^
In Keller, in addition to Ben Hogan, Bentz PT does a great job. Also, Reata
PT in HEB. Reata also owns Colleyville PT.
sjm
Steven J. Meyers, M.D.
Sports Medicine Physician
THC Bone and Joint Clinic
1651 W. Rosedale #200
Fort Worth, TX 76104
817-335-4316
www.THCBoneAndJoint.com<http://www.THCBoneAndJoint.com>
ryan modlinski <ryanmo...@gmail.com<mailto:ryanmo...@gmail.com>> Jul 12 10:17AM -0500 ^
In addition to already mentioned, Bob Marwood at Pinnacle in Grapevine is
very good with athletes.
Ryan Modlinski
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