DF Camp 2011

[alec mezzetti]

There in ongoing discussion on how we are going to do DF camp this year.

Here are the issues we face:

- Many DFs are going to CoCamp and this means that it will be difficult for many to find the money/time off work/will to camp for that much of the summer.

- We are trying to really publicise DF Camp at CoCamp and for DFs who do not attend DF events may be put off by a week-long event being their first.

- The last 2 days of DF Camp clash with Leeds and Reading festival, which is a source of quite a bit of income through worker's beer. This may mean that people wont volunteer because they want to go to DF Camp.

So we need to decide how long DF Camp should be. The leading suggestion at the moment is to take 2 days of the end, making the camp shorter, cheaper, more appealing to new DFs and not clashing with Leeds/Reading.On the other hand not all DFs are attending CoCamp and they may be disappointed it is shorter, especially if it is their last camp or something.

We need to have a decision by the end of this week so please chip in any thoughts you might have.

Cheers 

xxx

[kit jones]

A bit of historical advice...

You are right to predict that if you don't do anything differently there will be far fewer people ther than normal. In the year of global village we had a DF camp as normal and only 45 people turned up, after years of having 100+. Also, quite a few of the people there had also been to GV, so I don't think there were that many people for whome DF camp was their only woodcraft experience of the summer.

I would say it is a good idea to make it shorter and to target it at new people who are just discovering woodcraft folk. Focus the programme around how they can become a woodcraft folk leader and how to get inolved in DF campaigns and educational programme.

I think part of the reason that DF camp 06 was so small was not just that people were too burned out from GV to come, but also that the organisers of the camp were prioritising what they were doing for GV (quite rightly!), meaning there wasn't much emphasis put on promoting DF camp.

Have you got a location yet? Perhaps, as it is going to be a smaller afair, you could have it at Lurgershall and do some work on the farm as part of the payment for the site, cutting the cost even further and creating a sense of contributing to Woodcraft Folk too. Lurgershall has a maximum of 100 campers.

Cheers,

Kit

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[Joe]

you also have the problem of GCSE results day which is on the 25th

if i remember rightly the venue is a provisional booking the same
venue as 08. at midland thing it was decided that DF camp should be
held in the midlands so we could have a big push for national
involvement of the midland folk.

I wouldn't mind a shorter camp as cocamp is gonna be pretty
knackering,

maybe have the camp full term but invite kindfolk to boost numbers on
the last two days?

Joe B


On Mar 23, 2:29 pm, alec mezzetti <alecmezzet...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

[Kate Angharad Hyatt]

Not to sure about this one, kit i remember that camp, and i went to it even though i was going to GV, and it made me more excited about going because i met lots of amazing people i wanted to spend time with! also i appreciate workers beer is very important, but df's isn't just 18+ if people have made the choice to go to workers beer then surely they can do both, there are lots of 16+ df's, that maybe still want the df camp full experience! and if that was my last event, i would be gutted it was cut short, even if it was a busy summer......
 
BIG LOVE!xxx

Kate Angharad Hyatt



 
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[Phineas Harper]

I agree with both of you!

I missed out on DF Camp 2006 not because i didn't have the time, not because i didn't have the money, not because i was tired from running Tillyards Coffee at GV06 but because the DF movement back then just didn't manage to reach out to new DFs like me. Advertised right DF Camp 2011 could be incredible, using the excitement and communication structures around CoCamp to attract swathes of new DFs. Around half the DFs who went to GV06 have never been to a DF Event! A huge proportion of the wider movement miss out on DF events because they see being a DF in Woodcraft as something that happen in your district with only the occasional large camp. 

- At GV there were no adverts on the news, in the newspaper or any kind of buzz about DF Camp - a few hand drawn posters popped up but you couldn't book on the spot and without spanthatworld.com or DF facebook (hard to remember those days ey) once you got home you forgot all about it.

This is basically the biggest opportunity the national DF movement will have to reach out to DFs in the wider Folk for the next 5 years! 

The suggestion to cut it down by a day or two could be shrewd - punchy, exciting (and cheap) but the key to DF Camp 2011 being the success it deserves to be lie essentially in getting active early, keeping the cost rock bottom, finding a central venue, jam-packing the pro-gramme then advertising like maniacs through a myriad of means but crucially the CoCamp communication structure as well as at CoCamp itself!

I'm jealous - CoCamp's alright but DF Camp's where the real magic happens :P

awesome skies

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[Joe]

I'm starting to like the idea of a smaller camp more

your right that DF's is not just 18+ but this is also a problem for
16year olds as well. anyone who is enrolling on an a-level or B-tec
course has to do it on the 25th of aug

I'm thinking if we make it accessible to everyone by making it a
shorter camp, have the programme ready at cocamp, so we can advertise
how awesome its going to be. then we should have a good turnout

Joe b

On Mar 24, 8:56 pm, Phineas Harper <phin.har...@woodcraft.org.uk>
wrote:

[alec mezzetti]

It's not only people doing workers beer who may want to go to Reading/Leeds though.

And about the booking, we have booked the site for the full week but we will most likely be able to change this if we need to

If anyone has a view on this but hasn't replied, do so before sunday! we will make the decision then 

alec x

[Liam Hardy]

I feel like the options presented here are artificially restricted. As of yet, there is no reason why we cannot have a full DF Camp but 2 days earlier than originally planned (unless Alec, you have checked with the site and it's not available for us to start 2 days early?)

If we cannot simply bring it forward by two days then I would be in favour of a shorter camp. It would make Workers Beer at Reading and Leeds easier to organise, but more importantly it should be slightly less challenging to organise, and therefore (I would hope) easier to have everything prepared before CoCamp. This would add to the fact that a slightly shorter DF Camp would be more appealing to any first-timers we may want to recruit at CoCamp.

If I were allowed to attend DF Camp, it would be my last ever event, but I would appreciate the reasoning for making it shorter, and as such I would be all for running a shorter, cheaper, more inviting DF Camp, for one year only...

Blue Skies
Liam

[Kate Angharad Hyatt]

i agree!x

Kate Angharad Hyatt



 

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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:31:07 +0000
Subject: Re: [DF Discussions] Re: DF Camp 2011
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[David Neibig]

We should definitely try to have a full length camp but 2 days earlier.
Failing that I'm not fully sure of which way to go. Having a full length camp is great but for the people who have to leave early that is a bit harsh. Trust me having to leave a camp early (or missing a few days in the middle) is a pretty shit feeling and I would be keen to avoid that.

David

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Subject: RE: [DF Discussions] Re: DF Camp 2011
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:23:25 +0000

[jack horley]

the problem with having a full length camp is the cost, co camp is
costing enough, quite a lot of people might not be able to afford both
co camp and DF camp. A camp for 4 or 5 days would be enough for most
people anyway.

Jack

On Mar 26, 8:40 pm, David Neibig <david_nei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> We should definitely try to have a full length camp but 2 days earlier.
> Failing that I'm not fully sure of which way to go. Having a full length camp is great but for the people who have to leave early that is a bit harsh. Trust me having to leave a camp early (or missing a few days in the middle) is a pretty shit feeling and I would be keen to avoid that.
>
> David
>

> From: krazykookyka...@hotmail.com
> To: dfs-d...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [DF Discussions] Re: DF Camp 2011
> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:23:25 +0000
>
> i agree!x
>
> Kate Angharad Hyatt
>

> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:31:07 +0000
> Subject: Re: [DF Discussions] Re: DF Camp 2011

> From: liamkha...@googlemail.com

> To: dfs-d...@googlegroups.com
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> I feel like the options presented here are artificially restricted. As of yet, there is no reason why we cannot have a full DF Camp but 2 days earlier than originally planned (unless Alec, you have checked with the site and it's not available for us to start 2 days early?)
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> If we cannot simply bring it forward by two days then I would be in favour of a shorter camp. It would make Workers Beer at Reading and Leeds easier to organise, but more importantly it should be slightly less challenging to organise, and therefore (I would hope) easier to have everything prepared before CoCamp. This would add to the fact that a slightly shorter DF Camp would be more appealing to any first-timers we may want to recruit at CoCamp.
>
> If I were allowed to attend DF Camp, it would be my last ever event, but I would appreciate the reasoning for making it shorter, and as such I would be all for running a shorter, cheaper, more inviting DF Camp, for one year only...
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> Blue Skies
> Liam
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