[Python-Dev] Tone it down on Twitter?

[Stefan Krah]

Apparently I have made it into "club of three who don't care much about
opinions of others" for the crime of a single +0.5 for PEP-572 without
participating in the discussion at all (neither did Jason).

https://twitter.com/SerhiyStorchaka/status/1014274554452209665

This is a new high for Twitter gossip. Well done. Perhaps in the next vote
the politbureau can indicate the intended outcome beforehand so we know how
to vote.



Thanks,

Stefan Krah



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[Antoine Pitrou]

I was going to answer that I agree the language there is unwarranted,
but then it came to me that the best way to keep things civil is perhaps
not to discuss Twitter-emitted opinions back on python-dev.

Regards

Antoine.

[Mark Lawrence]

On 04/07/18 16:48, Stefan Krah wrote:
>
> Apparently I have made it into "club of three who don't care much about
> opinions of others" for the crime of a single +0.5 for PEP-572 without
> participating in the discussion at all (neither did Jason).
>
> https://twitter.com/SerhiyStorchaka/status/1014274554452209665
>
> This is a new high for Twitter gossip. Well done. Perhaps in the next vote
> the politbureau can indicate the intended outcome beforehand so we know how
> to vote.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stefan Krah
>
>
>

Quite frankly I don't give a hoot what gets said on twitter, as it
appears to be reserved for morons like the current president of the USA.

--
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

[Ivan Levkivskyi]

Just to clarify, the club of three in _my_ twit are the three authors of the PEP.

Also, how about you not telling me what to say?

--

Ivan

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[Brett Cannon]

While I agree with Antoine that the wording by Serhiy on Twitter was unnecessary, the tone in responses here are also unnecessary. As has been discussed both here on this mailing list and at the PyCon US language summit, reacting to actual or perceived rudeness with more rudeness is not reasonable behaviour. If something upsets you and you want to discuss it then that's fine, but wait until you can do so with a cool head (I avoided personal email for 2 days because of this email thread in order to not react harshly to it myself).

IOW believing you have been disrespected does suddenly give you permission to be disrespectful as well. That simply leads to everyone not caring about your complaint and this whole environment ends up feeling hostile.

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[Brett Cannon]

On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 at 11:54 Mark Lawrence <bream...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 04/07/18 16:48, Stefan Krah wrote:
>
> Apparently I have made it into "club of three who don't care much about
> opinions of others" for the crime of a single +0.5 for PEP-572 without
> participating in the discussion at all (neither did Jason).
>
> https://twitter.com/SerhiyStorchaka/status/1014274554452209665
>
> This is a new high for Twitter gossip.  Well done.  Perhaps in the next vote
> the politbureau can indicate the intended outcome beforehand so we know how
> to vote.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stefan Krah
>
>
>

Quite frankly I don't give a hoot what gets said on twitter, as it
appears to be reserved for morons like the current president of the USA.

I happen to be on Twitter so you just called me a moron, Mark (as well as many other core developers).

While I think Stefan's response was uncalled for, he at least felt like the injured party and thus his response could potentially be attributed an impassioned response that should not have occurred. IOW while I understand why the reaction occurred, that doesn't excuse it while warranting a warning of that fact and that it shouldn't be considered acceptable behaviour overall.

Your response, though, definitely crossed a line as you were insulting as well as not directly involved in the issue at hand, which means you had no direct motivation to be upset other than to prove a point and be rude entirely on purpose. IOW you were just piling on the rudeness for no good reason.

For that reason, consider this a warning from me that this kind of behaviour is simply not acceptable. If it happens again I will request at least a 2 month ban for you from the mailing list.

[Ethan Furman]

On 07/06/2018 12:30 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:

> IOW believing you have been disrespected does

not

> suddenly give you permission to be disrespectful as well.

Thanks, Brett, for the reminder. I know we all have rough days, and it's easy to forget to take a break before responding.

--
~Ethan~

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