"Tigers unlikely to trade Fulmer"
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Roger King
This concept has been kicking around since the White Sox traded Quintana. I get it, but I just can't see the Tigers making a trade like that, mostly because I don't know that there are any other desperate teams, like the Cubs, that have that assortment of good prospects to trade.David
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Paul Meloche <meloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
Fulmer is as close to an untouchable as we have; I would be curious what someone might offer for him but I doubt it'd be worth it.
Paul M.
That is the headline of a story on MLB.com. Um... does anyone on this list think for a second that the Tigers would or should be offering Fulmer in a trade? In what universe does any team trade away a 24 year-old who is already an ace in only his second season? It would have never occurred to me even for a second that the Tigers would be shopping him.I see some writer for the Free Press named Shawn Windsor has proposed just this in a column. Ridiculous.----
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Peter Welch
Depends on what's offered. If they can get a couple of top position player prospects (preferably an OF and a 3B or middle IF or catcher) and a top pitching prospect or two for Fulmer then they should seriously consider it. Fulmer is the Tigers best starter but is he really going to be an "ace" type starter along the lines of a Kershaw, Scherzer, Sale, prim Verlander, prime King Felix, etc? Trading Fulmer now could be "selling high".
I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I think Fulmer is a bit overrated and has been a bit lucky with BABIP this year. His strikeout rate is 6.3 K/9 this year (down from 7.5 K/9 last year). Most top-line starters not named Greg Maddux have a higher
K/9 than 6.3 (most "aces" have at least 8 K/9). Fulmer does a great job getting hitters to make weak contact, limiting walks, and he keeps the ball in the park (only 7 homers allowed in 123.2 IP this year) and he does well pitching out of jams, but his modest
K rate is a bit concerning.
Fulmer claims he is trying to "pitch to contact" more this year and not going for a lot of strikeouts in order to lower his pitch counts so he can last longer into games. Perhaps that explains the lower K rate. It seems to be working. It is kind of weird that Fulmer has a modest K/9 rate despite having a fastball in the 95-98 mph range. Perhaps his K/9 will shoot up in the future.
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"There is speculation that we have him (Michael Fulmer) out there (on the market), and we don't. But you can't stop a team from calling and inquiring. We're not going to be so naive to where we say we're not even going to listen. I've learned many, many years ago: If you can get two Michael Fulmer's for one, it's a pretty good trade. But the probability of that kind of trade happening is probably zero."
-- Tigers GM Al Avila on the "High Heat" show on the MLB Network on Monday
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JOHN BLACK
Based on an article from Yardbarker a couple of days ago, the "number of teams inquiring about Fulmer exceeded the number inquiring about anybody else (e.g. J D Martinez)". There was no elaboration, however, on whether any or all of these included specific proposals. I can certainly see where teams (viewing the Tigers as big sellers) might be curious about Fulmer, but as others have pointed out, it is more than slightly self-defeating to 'rebuild' by unloading the very quality of talent you are seeking.
JtE
JOHN BLACK
This is a very tough situation to make come out 'right' in the modern system. I agree that the trade for 'prospects' is a near-total crapshoot and it is alarming how many times the recipients end up (a few years down the road) with *nothing* useful. I believe the best solution (in the JD case) would be to sign him to a contract extension before the end of the season (at a level that gives him a 'reasonable' raise (in a frame of reference that management can live with). He, however, (and *certainly* his agent) is going to want to 'test' the FA market. The Tigers could certainly bid into that, but rest assured that numbers are all going to be higher - and likely considerably so. If the team 'loses' that way, they wind up with but a single 4th round (I believe) draft choice (whoop-di-do - and speaking of 'crapshoots'). So the 'best' solution is the one least likely to work. I obviously have no idea whether (as Ron notes) management has made any "serious effort" to try and sign him, but you just know that his agent would be a huge obstacle in that path. The flip-side of all this is the *fact* that if you want to draw *in* good (at least hopefully) prospects, you have to offer something with discernible value *and* a lack of tertiary impediments: like huge existing contracts, age, injury histories, etc. It may be 'sad to say', but we have very little to offer that escapes one or more of the various minuses on that chart.
JtE
On July 18, 2017 at 12:46 PM ronald kellestine <ronkel...@outlook.com> wrote:I think the same comment applies to dumping JD Martinez (unloading the very quality of talent you are seeking). I understand about free agency and all, but has any serious attempt been made to sign him? The money which will be lost from declining attendance, and the dollars to come back into the pot after next season could well make up the money it could take to keep JD. Conventional thinking is to dump before they choose to leave, but reality is that for every two "great prospects" there could well be zero returns or at best, one good to very good player. Sometimes being unconventional is the best way to go.
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 11:37 AM, JOHN BLACK <bla...@comcast.net> wrote:
Based on an article from Yardbarker a couple of days ago, the "number of teams inquiring about Fulmer exceeded the number inquiring about anybody else (e.g. J D Martinez)". There was no elaboration, however, on whether any or all of these included specific proposals. I can certainly see where teams (viewing the Tigers as big sellers) might be curious about Fulmer, but as others have pointed out, it is more than slightly self-defeating to 'rebuild' by unloading the very quality of talent you are seeking.
JtE
On July 17, 2017 at 10:46 PM Paul Meloche <meloc...@gmail.com> wrote:Fulmer is as close to an untouchable as we have; I would be curious what someone might offer for him but I doubt it'd be worth it.
Paul M.
That is the headline of a story on MLB.com. Um... does anyone on this list think for a second that the Tigers would or should be offering Fulmer in a trade? In what universe does any team trade away a 24 year-old who is already an ace in only his second season? It would have never occurred to me even for a second that the Tigers would be shopping him.I see some writer for the Free Press named Shawn Windsor has proposed just this in a column. Ridiculous.--
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