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Roger King

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Nov 21, 2025, 4:42:58 PMNov 21
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Well, we have our answer as to whether Vierling is fully in the plans for 2026.  The Tigers just agreed on a 1 year $3.255 million contract with him.

So that's one less roster position open for next year.

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Peter Welch

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Nov 21, 2025, 4:57:19 PMNov 21
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So are they planning for an OF of Greene, Carpenter (who also plays DH occasionally), Meadows, Vierling, W. Perez and Baez (when Baez plays CF)?   Plus McKinstry can play some outfield as well.  Or will Perez be an odd man out?

I guess they are going to bide their time in CF with some combination of Meadows, Vierling and Baez until they think Max Clark is ready for a call-up.

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Peter Welch

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Nov 21, 2025, 5:03:56 PMNov 21
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I forgot Jamai Jones as well as an OF candidate, although he's a below-average defensive OF and pretty much a platoon DH against lefties.
Jones might not even make the team out of spring training.

I don't count JH Malloy as an OF candidate.  He's strictly a DH or maybe 1B at this point.  I think Malloy would be better off in another organization.

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Roger King

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Nov 21, 2025, 5:05:14 PMNov 21
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You list 7 guys below.  I don't think there's room for all of them on the roster. You add in Dingler & another catcher, Tork, Torres and Keith and you're already up to 12 guys.  That would leave only 1 hitting spot left on the roster.

Was really hoping we'd get a little more roster changeover than that, given the prolonged hitting slump in the back half of the season.  

I am hoping they aren't locking in Meadows or Perez among the group below.  



Peter Welch

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Nov 21, 2025, 5:07:28 PMNov 21
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Right, and you throw in Jahmai Jones in the OF mix as well.   That's too many.

I don't think we're signing a free agent CF (such as a Bellinger or Bader) although you might see Harris trade for a CF.

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Paul Meloche

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Nov 21, 2025, 6:44:39 PMNov 21
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Possible Vierling is also in the mix for 3B, although I hope it's only in an emergency situation.

Cal Lord

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Nov 21, 2025, 6:58:42 PMNov 21
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Sign and trade Vierling!!!

Peter Welch

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Nov 21, 2025, 8:23:39 PMNov 21
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Right, Vierling isn’t good defensively at 3B. He is much better in the OF.

I think with Keith, McKinstry, Anderson, Lee and even Baez or McGonigle, we’ll have 3B covered.  I don’t see them signing Bregman.

Peter 



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Michael W

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Nov 21, 2025, 10:47:15 PMNov 21
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Disappointing, because it’s more evidence they don’t plan to sign or trade for a quality outfielder.  

I fear that players like Malloy, Jung and Anderson will just rot on the vine, when they have legitimate trade value right now.  They aren’t likely to make the team, and don’t need time at Toledo.  

Michael 

Roger King

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Nov 22, 2025, 9:45:42 AMNov 22
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At least they non-tendered Andy Ibanez. If they brought him back too, I think we’d just throw up our hands and assume Harris is going to rerun the exact same team from last year.

I know Tigers management really seems to like Vierling, particularly Hinch, who is obsessed with his ability to play multiple positions. I just hope they haven’t convinced themselves that he will help solve the offensive problems they had in 2025.  His one asset is a bit of power, but he doesn’t get on base that much and he strikes out a fair bit. The Tigers already have enough of those kinds of hitters.

Just worried that the Tigers fall in love with all these role players… And even appear to be turning a couple of promising young hitters in Carpenter and Keith into platoon guys… And then in the end, you don’t end up with anyone who is actually in the lineup on a regular basis and producing consistently.  

Hinch’s obsession with matchups/playing chess is not just affecting in-game decisions but also roster moves from season to season.


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Peter Welch

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Nov 22, 2025, 11:01:48 AMNov 22
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The Tigers keep developing lefty hitters but won’t let most of  them play against lefties. Greene being the exception (although sometimes I wish they would sit Greene against some tough lefties, which is why I didn’t object too much when Hinch pinch hit Jones for Greene against a lefty in the playoffs vs. Seattle).

I hope they don’t platoon McGonigle, Clark, Briceno and Rainer, who are all lefties.  Let’s give them a chance to be full-time players.

By the way, the Tigers #1 pick this year is another lefty hitter (SS Jordan Yost).

Peter


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Peter Welch

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Nov 22, 2025, 11:11:28 AMNov 22
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Vierling is a good athlete with excellent speed but has never taken advantage of his speed.  He isn’t much of a basestealer.
He doesn’t get on base enough to take advantage of his speed.

He’s a decent backup OF who can fill in at 3B or 1B if absolutely needed, but shouldn’t be a regular in the lineup.

Peter


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Peter Welch

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Nov 22, 2025, 11:16:49 AMNov 22
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Jung and Malloy’s trade value is bottoming out.  They are heading into Baddoo territory.

Malloy’s career would be better served in another organization.  If he played for the A’s or Rays, for example, he could put up good numbers.

Jung has a decent batting eye but can’t hit a major league fastball into the air.

Peter



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Michael W

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Nov 23, 2025, 12:57:58 PMNov 23
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I think Jung and Malloy’s trade value is still reasonable.  But another year at Toledo won’t help.  

Michael 

Peter Welch

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Nov 24, 2025, 10:40:31 AMNov 24
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I don't see Malloy or Jung making the Tigers' roster unless there are a bunch of injuries.

Malloy's value is pretty low because of his poor defense.  He's a DH unless you want to try him at 1B, but he hasn't hit well enough yet in the majors to show he can be a regular 1B or DH.  

Jung's only position is 3B (he can play 2B but he's not good there) and he's another Tigers' lefty hitter and he can't hit lefties.  We have enough of those.

Malloy and Jung could be throw-ins in a multi-player deal with someone, but they really don't have much value anymore.

The time to trade them would have been 2 years ago.

(By the way, I still think Malloy could turn out to be a decent hitter for someone, especially in a hitter-friendly ballpark, but he has little future with the Tigers given how Hinch constructs his roster and that Torkelson and Carpenter are in front of him).

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