“A good season”?

[Roger King]

I put something up on Facebook about the game last night and how I was hoping for a series with the Jays and a number of Toronto friends chimed in, many of whom are casual baseball fans at best. A few of the comments were some version of, “sorry the Tigers didn’t win last night, but they had a good season.”

This doesn’t seem to be the consensus among Tigers fans or on the list. I think it’s generally regarded as a disappointing season for the Tigers… Mainly because of the September collapse, but also, of course, because the season ended the exact same way it did last year, with them losing Game 5 in the ALDS.

I’ve also seen some comments on Twitter from people saying the 2025 Tigers will mostly be remembered for their epic collapse (definitely these kinds of comments from Cleveland fans!).  This seems strange to me because in the end, did the collapse matter that much?  Not talking about the underlying reasons for it, but the collapse itself. How did it matter? The Tigers won a first round playoff series and came as close as you possibly can to going to the ALCS without actually going. 

In no universe is that objectively a bad season. It is in fact, as friends were saying, a good season in the end. Especially given the last battle they fought in yesterday‘s game.

Of course there’s a reality where the Tigers didn’t blow the division lead, got the first round bye and of course had a different opponent, etc.  But it seems to me, that’s the only way you could say that the collapse really mattered in terms of season results.

It was literally the same exact scenario as last season where everyone felt hopeful and thought it was a great year.

So I guess I do land in the end on the fact that it should be considered a good season… Though disappointing that they didn’t advance obviously.  And really hard to sit through most of the September games. 

But I think off-season evaluations should probably be done with that in mind on the overview - that it was a good season. Meaning that objectively, the team *is* close to being a potential World Series team. It’s obviously up to management to decide the particulars in terms of who gives them the best chance to get over the top and what holes need to be filled. 

Again, as I said this morning, I don’t think it’s as easy as other scenarios like this because of a number of factors - and a much needed deep dive of about why they played so poorly in September - which I’m sure we’ll continue to discuss from now until spring training.

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[Michael W]

There's no doubt that the late season collapse was disappointing.  For fans and for the team.  But if we take the season in net, from the perspective of the beginning of spring training, I think 87 wins is about what I expected. Four post-season wins and being one run away from the ALCS is a good outcome.  If we'd gotten one run in the 12th  last night -- maybe if Baez' bat hadn't broken and he'd singled -- we'd be going to the ALCS and I think everyone would have agreed it was a good year.  One run away from a good year is still a good year, I think.  Not fantastic, but good.

As for the offseason, regardless of whether you think it was good or bad, you build from what you have, and try to make the team better.  The work doesn't change.  We definitely weren't one of the two or three best teams.

Michael

[Paul Meloche]

IMO they overachieved last season and this year finished right about where they should have (87 wins). They aren’t as bad as they showed the last month or two of this season or as good as they were early. 

We need to hope the current core of hitters on the ML roster improve YoY and figure out how to fill a few holes on offense as well (FA? Trades? Promotion?). I think we’re all aligned that we need pitching depth; maybe some of that comes from within by guys simply getting healthy but I think we need some outside help there too. 

Paul M.

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[Peter Welch]

They made the playoffs. Anything can happen in the playoffs and we damn near advanced.  It’s always a good season if you make the playoffs.

Peter

On Oct 11, 2025, at 5:13 PM, Paul Meloche <meloc...@gmail.com> wrote:

 IMO they overachieved last season and this year finished right about where they should have (87 wins). They aren’t as bad as they showed the last month or two of this season or as good as they were early. 

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[David Panian]

Online fans are often terrible and lack perspective. Of course it was a good season. It doesn't mean it wasn't disappointing. You know who else is disappointed? Every other playoff team that loses their last series, yet they all objectively had good seasons.

David

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