ABS used last night

[Roger King]

Last night in the All-Star game, they used the automated balls and strikes system that they also used in spring training. The umpire still makes the calls but the pitcher or catcher or batter can dispute a call and then they go right to the automated system. 

Here is Skubal…or Raleigh the catcher… requesting it for a disputed strike 3. Skubal is mic’d up on this as their challenge is successful. “You take ‘em anyway you can get ‘em boys.”

No brainer that they institute this for all MLB games starting next year, in my opinion.

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[Paul Meloche]

I think Skubal had been quoted before as not wanting ABS. Maybe his opinion changed. 

Paul M.

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[Jeffrey Withey]

That was a pretty blatant missed call. The ball was fully in the strike zone. I think this system will be a big improvement. 

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[Shawn Parker]

I like the system. I think it can eliminate some really egregious umpire calls and it doesn't seem to do slow down the game too much.

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[Michael W]

I saw this at a couple of AAA games this year.  It did slow the game down a bit.  The players (batter and catcher) had a pretty good idea when the calls were wrong, and they appealed frequently.  Each time took about 10-15 seconds, so it was a like an old-school batter's time out, probably about once per half inning.  At some point it made me wonder why the umps were calling balls and strikes at all.

The worst part was they sometimes appealed high-leverage calls, just because "why not?"  So you'd get these big calls like an inning-ending strike three with men on base, but then you have to wait 10 seconds for confirmation.  It took the excitement out of that play for sure.  Instead of cheering for the pitcher's great ptich, you are cheering for the robo-ump confirming the call.  

If any of you are college basketball fans, we've got this awful situation now where every exciting play in the last 2 minutes has to be reviewed.  It kills the vibe.  I wonder if, for TV viewers, they could tape-delay around all this stuff.  Just cut the reviews out and have the commentator catch us up as the action starts again.

Michael

[Paul Meloche]

College basketball, and even NBA, is almost unwatchable to me now because of having to look at every single play in the last two minutes.

I like the ABS technology, but like a lot of folks have suggested if it isn't going to be 100% robo-strike/ball calls then it should be a limited number of challenges per game.

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[Roger King]

My understanding is it's like the video replay challenge.  You have to be right or you lose your challenge.

I wonder if they could split the difference and only use it on strikeouts or walks.  That is, if the pitch in question means the batter either walks or K's, you're allowed to challenge.  I'm pretty sure one of the challenges last night was on, like a 1-0 count or something.  That seems tedious to me. 

Should note though that every challenge I saw last night - by pitcher, catcher or batter - was successful.  Man these players really know the strike zone!  

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[David Panian]

The NCAA has made some changes to those late-game reviews, including limiting the reviews of out-of-bounds calls to coaches' challenges:

Panel approves changes to enhance the flow of the game in men’s basketball - NCAA.org

Those out-of-bounds calls seem to take forever as they try to tell if the ball brushed against a player before it went out of bounds. Limiting those to coaches' challenges — and limiting how many challenges coaches have — should help.

Back to our regularly scheduled baseball talk.

David

 

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