Tigers are like the mafia

[Roger King]

Just when I thought I was out… They pulled me back in!

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[Jeffrey Withey]

The 2025 season may end exactly like the 2024 season- game 5 of the ALDS, on the road, with Skubal starting. Let’s hope he doesn’t give up another grand slam. Will the offense go back to sleep or was yesterday enough to awaken them for a while? The Seattle starter is still listed as TBA- who will it be?

 

-Jeff

 

 

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[Roger King]

I’d be surprised if the Mariners don’t start Castillo given he pitched well against the Tigers in Game 2.  

As much as we’ve understandably complained about the Tigers, it is a pretty dead even series.  First 2 Games were split by identical scores and the following two were split with each team having one dominant offensive performance.

For what it’s worth, the Tigers have actually outscored Seattle in the series, 18-16.  

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[Peter Welch]

Seattle will probably start Castillo instead of Kirby.  I think they won't want Kirby facing Carpenter.

The Tigers' hitters will probably go to sleep again so Skubal will need to be nearly perfect with no margin for error.  

We need to get into the Mariners bullpen early because we seem to hit them better than the starters (except for Munoz).

Peter

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[Paul Meloche]

I assumed it would be Kirby but Castillo makes sense.

I think we had our offensive explosion for the series yesterday. My guess is it'll be another close, low scoring game tomorrow. I hesitate to pick a winner, but if Skubal faces the Mariners four times in a season he has to be the winning pitcher once, right??

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[christopher tower]

JUST WALK JORGE POLANCO!

Not seriously...

but maybe?

That was last year, and this is this year. Hoping Skubal dominates like he did with Cleveland.

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[Peter Welch]

Skubal will be locked in with his concentration on every pitch. I’m pretty confident he won’t be making any loose 0-2 or 1-2 pitches to Polanco again, or like he did with Lane Thomas last year in game 5 vs. Cleveland.  We should see the ultra-focused version of Skubal like we saw last week vs. Cleveland.  Can we please just score some runs for him?  Pretty please?

Peter

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[Mike Coveyou]

Or, we can hope for something more like 2006 (wild card to World Series for the Tigers), although a WS Championship on top of that would be nice.

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[Jeffrey Withey]

I think if we can score 4 runs tomorrow we win. But that’s a huge if. 

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[Roger King]

The Tigers have scored 4 or more runs in 3 of their 7 postseason games this year.  So they’re due to even it out and make it 4 of 8 :-)

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[Roger King]

Kirby is starting for Seattle after all.  

[Peter Welch]

Let's hope Carp continues his domination of Kirby.

Peter

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[Peter Welch]

They might tag-team Kirby and Castillo.  At least they're righties so Greene, Carp and Keith won't be neutralized so much and Meadows will get a look at righties as well (Meadows isn't hitting much but he does better against righties).  I'm guessing we'll see both Seattle lefties (Ferguson and Speier) today at some point.  Jones will probably get another pinch-hitting opportunity against one of those lefties.

Peter

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[Peter Welch]

The key stat in Wednesday's win for the offense was they only struck out 3 times.  Even when the Tigers weren't doing anything early in the game against Miller and fell down 3-0 they had some good swings (I thought both Tork and Dingler hit the ball well in a couple of early at-bats on flyouts, and Greene scorched a foul ball down the RF line, plus McKinstry and Torres hit the ball hard) and were making better contact even if they weren't stringing any hits.

All of a sudden it was like the BABIP gods finally decided to favor the Tigers in the middle of Wednesday's game and their hard-hit balls started finding the holes or going over the fence.

Fingers-crossed this will carry over tonight.

Peter

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[Roger King]

You may remember the Tigers had the lead in Game 4 against Cleveland last year. And they were up 2-1 in the series. It was in the 7th inning, with 2 outs, when Cleveland took the lead back. So the Tigers still held the lead with 7 outs to go.  

Last night, the Mariners scored the tying run in the 7th inning as well. With two outs… So exact same scenario of the Tigers being 7 outs away from advancing.

Only difference being Game 4 last year vs Game 5 this year. 

Deja vu indeed. 

[Peter Welch]

That was when Hinch was using overused relievers like Brieske and Holton.  He left Foley off the roster for the ALDS.  Mistake.

Peter

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[Jeffrey Withey]

The most egregious mistake was using Jobe in that game. He was not even close to ready for that and it backfired badly. 

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[Roger King]

Yes, though I just went back and looked at the game log and it was actually Brieske who blew the lead.  He gave up a 2-run homer to David Fry which turned a 3-2 Tigers lead to 4-3 Cleveland.  

Jobe came on in the 8th and though he gave up a double with 2 outs, he did get the final out. Hinch then left him in for the 9th where he got the first out but then gave up back to back singles. He left the game and then Vest came on and Cleveland did a suicide squeeze to make it 5-3.  

Jobe’s appearance wasn’t as bad as I remember it as I thought that he gave up the lead but it was just the insurance run…after having pitched a scoreless 8th. We probably wouldn’t remember it at all if Hinch hadn’t kept him in for the 9th. 

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[Jeffrey Withey]

In other words, he gave up 3 hits and only got one out. Pretty crappy for a late inning relief appearance. But he never should have been put in that position. 

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[Paul Meloche]

I think Jobe had an arguably worse outing in the Astros series last year. Maybe we’re conflating those two appearances?

Regardless, we all agree he wasn’t ready for that kind of pressure. I said the same thing about Melton when he had the bad inning against Cleveland last week but he was really good against the Mariners. 

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[Roger King]

No, he got 4 outs. Sorry if it wasn’t clear but he pitched the entire 8th inning. He got the first two outs no problem, then gave up a double but left the runner stranded by getting the 3rd out.  

He did also get the first out of the 9th before running into trouble. 

So that’s why I say if Hinch brought in someone else for the 9th, we might not even remember that he pitched. 

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[Jeffrey Withey]

I didn't recall the details until you brought them up but I was at that game and as I recall the 8th was dicey. The whole stadium was wondering why Jobe was even in the game with under 10 innings of MLB experience. It was a wonder he got out of it unscathed. That made bringing him in the next inning even more stupid. Looking at the box score now, he threw 27 pitches in 1.1 innings and of course left 2 on base for Vest in the 9th. That's a lot to get 4 outs. I had also seen him pitch in person both for Toledo and Detroit before the playoffs. He was not dominant in either of those outings. It is a mystery to me what AJ was thinking when Jobe was not even great against AAA hitters. He gave up 6 earned runs in his whopping 9 innings in AAA before he was called up. 

Jeff 

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[Peter Welch]

Foley got benched for the raw rookie Jobe.

Peter

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[Peter Welch]

I think Melton's situation was a bit different than Jobe's.  Melton at least had several weeks of major league experience (and pitched pretty well) before pitching in high-leverage situations down the stretch and in the playoffs.  Jobe had 2 AAA appearances before he was called up at the very end of the season to pitch in high-leverage situations.

Hinch really thought Jobe's stuff was better than say, Foley's, despite Jobe have almost no experience.

Peter

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[Peter Welch]

Brieske was gassed in that game.  You could feel he was going to blow the lead.  He had pitched 2 innings the previous day and had been used a lot down the stretch and in the playoffs by the Tigers.

Remember, Brieske was throwing 100-mph fastballs in September last year and looked like a legit high-leverage, high-strikeout reliever.  He was surprisingly effective.  It seems Brieske never recovered from all that effort he gave last year.  He was never right in spring training this year and ended up injured.

Peter

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