Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

[bhagwat goel]

I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012 6:58 PM
Subject: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

What a challenge for an "aam-aadmi", majority Hindus, minorities Muslims, Sikhs, Christians 

& many others who wants to live under one constitution but hardly like to discuss about it? The

erosion in the constitution of India in the name of secularism, have left only ugly spots on the 

white (purity) fabrics of Bharat-Mata. We Hindus can keep blaming others for the erosion in our

constitution but why can't we examine at the least our behavior before pointing finger to others? 

It reminds me the early days of my child life how Hindus revered untouchability and let the weaker

section live like pig. By the time I was a youth, the society demanded drastic change and tsunami 

of social changes stunned the upper class Hindus. Even then, we Hindus refused to examine the

constitutional rights for the every citizen of the land. Now, it is all nothing but mess we are dealing.

The Vedas and other scriptures did try to guide then and still guiding for our evolution within the

rights that come from God not from a human. The silent voices of millions if not billions are trying

to remind the majority rowdy Indians to examine your behavior and bring necessary change for

your future survival but in vain. God may come to live among us today or tomorrow. But like it is

described in two major epics: The Ramayan & Geeta, it took decades before God actually could

establish meaningful change in the lives of mankind. This is the tale of all scriptures available today.

However, God given intelligence is always guiding the force of life. If we Hindus strive to establish 

the virtue, we can still give our young generation a chance to live in peace & harmony. As a matter

of fact there are many practical solutions that should be examined and if worthy, can be established.

We all know our retired officers from Indian defense team are more patriotic than political leaders of

past or present. May I suggest every patriot of India to demand, rather request those retired army, 

navy & air-force personnel to come forward and take charge to rewrite constitution of India and rule

the country based upon proven & long established principles of "Ram-Rajya"?

Respectfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wswauf1vMM&feature=relmfu

From: kuma...@hotmail.comDate: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:06:46 +0000Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr. Vijaya Rajiva 

How difficult it is for some one to understand the basics of Vedic philosophy? One does not have to read

Vedas described by Muni Vyas thoroughly, it is easily available for all of us to learn even from Wikipedia.

There is no "Hindu-Vedic Way of Life", it is simply either 'Vedic philosophy' or 'Hindu way of Life'. Before any

concept of 'God' or so called path of 'religion' among humans during evolution, there was only quest to learn 

about the creator. In todays language, they were the scientist who discovered the origin of universe and 

why it was created. There was no religion then, it was only science to connect to Almighty. In todays language,

the religion is designed to misguide the human race. There is no proof by any scientific research that "religion 

A" can lead some one to God faster than "religion B". So, please do not inject any religion or theology into

the discussion of Hindu Way of Life in India. We need a constitution for our country based on Vedic philosophy.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:31:30 +0800From: vasant_...@yahoo.co.inSubject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr. Vijaya Rajiva

I don't think one can differentiate a theocratic state from theological state on such basis. India can never be a theocratic  state or theological state under Sanatana Dharma.   V. S. Sardesai --- On Fri, 13/4/12, devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com> wrote: From: devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr. Vijaya Rajiva Date: Friday, 13 April, 2012, 3:09 PM   Dear Sir. Many people confuse a theological State with Theocratic State. I used the word theological to explain what  our friend Sh. Kumar Arun Ji has described as the "Hindu-Vedic way of life". Put simply a theological State would be  the one in which the saints and sages would take interest in the affairs of the state and where the emphasis would be  on personal piety and spiritualism.   A theocratic State on the other hand is the one which becomes God's kingdom and many Muslim and countries,  for example,  rule their people in the name of their God.   I hope this would remove the confusion.  Regards Devinder Thakur ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mukund Apte <mda...@gmail.com>  Sent: Friday, 13 April 2012, 3:12 Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr. Vijaya Rajiva          Dear Sir,      Can you pleae clarify your terminology 'a Hindu theologocal State'? What is the so 'exclusive' theology of Hindus, so that when  somebody disregards the 'exclusive principle' in it, he is punished? Any example (even from ancient times) may clarify the term to at  least some extent, I feel. I was under impression that this theological State was the haven only of 'exclusive Religions. That is the  purpose I am asking this.         With regards to all,       -------Mukund Apte ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:40 PM, <devinde...@btopenworld.com> wrote:   Whatever Barkha Dutt's background, one thing is sure that if and when India becomes a Hindu state, she  will meet the same fate as that of M F Hussain. the artist. He for denigrating the Hindu deities and she for  being against the "Vedic culture of India and its inhabitant Hindus"   As far as Tavleen Singh is concerned, she is bound to meet the same fate as Barkha and would have to seek  asylum in say Khalistan which is bound to follow as soon as India is declared a Hindu theological state.   By the way, although I watched the programme which has given rise to this discussion,and I am aware  that Tavleen Singh mumbles a lot,  could some one please state what is it that Tavleen Singh has actually said  that has caused an offence to the Hindus at large.   Needless to say that Ram  and his Mandir in Ayodhya has been used a lot in order to win elections  until Sushma Swaraj,the leader of the opposition,  one day declared that the issue of Ram and/or his Mandir  was a cheque that has long been cashed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 12:47 Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr. Vijaya Rajiva   I watch the broadcasting style of english media operating in India, especially Barkha Dutt of NDTV and I can tell you how much biased she has been against the vedic culture of India and it's habitant's Hindus. I have no knowledge of her family upbringing, hope it is not like Tavleen Singh about whom I came to know  through the Mr. S. Kumar today only. Regardless, a professional journalist or opinionator working for a national media must be impartial. As I said,  it was Barkha's responsibilities to ask followup questions after Tavleen bad mouthing about Ram or I would  say Bhagwan Ram. If some one in India do not have respect for Bhagwan Ram, he or she should not be called  a professional or a celebrities or famous, etc,. Yes, I do agree that Tavleen spoke about Bhagwan Ram Mandir  in Ayodhya with great disrespect and that was felt like a hurt for Hindus in India. As I said she could have been  exposed by follow up questions immediately abut her disrespect about Bhagwan Ram's mandir in Ayodhya? Kumar Arun ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: devinde...@btopenworld.com Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:08:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr. Vijaya Rajiva   Tavleen Singh is a professional journalist. She took on the Mullahs in Deoband for the absence of  any Fatwas against  Islamic terror and the terrorists.   I think she was quite justified in saying that some Hindu leader of party would use the name of Lord Ram  to win an election. She did not denigrate Lord Ram but showed up the politicians.Let us face it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mukesh Varma <mukes...@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 7:06 Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr. Vijaya Rajiva   We are looking at only one side of Tavleen Singh. Before this "Ram worship" controversy sprang up she has been known to be a sworn enemy of Sonia Gandhi. She has always been referring to Sonia as "that thin lady from Turin ". -- Mukesh Varma  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr. Vijaya Rajiva Date: Thursday, 12 April, 2012, 11:09 AM Tavleen SIngh's genes are mixed with the assassinated Governor Salman Taseer of Pakistan with whom she had week long fling and physical relations in 1980, that she got a son Aatish through him, who is a freelance journalist based in U.K.   How could you expect Tavleen infatuated and having had a son through a Muslim, expect to speak in favour of Hindu-s? She should have changed her name to Tasleem rather than continuing as Tavleen, a curse for Hindu-s who are tolerant to the extreme to bear such non-sense, who otherwise would hav been killed if she had spoken anything against Islam.   ......Salmaan Taseer had a son, Aatish, in 1980 with Indian journalist Tavleen Singh. Though married at the time, Taseer met Singh during a book promotion trip to India in March 1980. According to Aatish, their "affair lasted little more than a week." Aatish is a freelance journalist in the UK and has recently written a book – Stranger to History: A Son’s Journey through Islamic Lands – about his estranged relationship with his father. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmaan_Taseer...... __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ From: Mukund Apte <mda...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr. Vijaya Rajiva           Dear Sir,       Your hope that the anchor should have cooled the environment (of the discussion) is OK, But I we know Barkhajee do         you any confirmation (even in mind) that she would have done so?                 With regards to all,                  Mukund Apte ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:49 AM, Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> wrote:   Dr. Vijaya Rajiva,   I was watching this particular interview live on my computer. I tend to agree with your sentiment related to Tavleen Singh's verbal as well as body attitude during the debate on NDTV. However, I would blame Barkha Dutt, the host to let Tavleen get away with such statement. It is the job of the anchor to be impartial &fair who do not underestimate and must foresee the hurt of majority Hindu in India and abroad. Unfortunately, most of the anchors sitting on popular media, are paid agent of Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul regime. Kumar Arun __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________  From: kaly...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 04:26:01 +0530 Subject: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr. Vijaya Rajiva  10.4.12 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr. Vijaya Rajiva 10/04/2012 14:13:12  It was with great interest that the present writer watched the public program on national television, NDTV's 'Path now clear for national role for Narendra Modi ?' (April 10, 2012, with anchor Barkha Dutt). The panelists in the discussion were well known figures such as Ravi Shankar Prasad of the BJP, Lord Meghnad Desai and journalist Tavleen Singh. The question that was being discussed was whether the SIT Report clearing Shri Modi of any guilt (by association) in the Gulbarg Massacre of 2002 in Gujarat would now pave the way for Shri Modi to play a national role ? The question quickly focussed on the problem of perception, even though as anchor Barkha Dutt pointed out , the Chief Minister was clearly winning the legal battle. Would Shri Modi ever shake off the association with the Gujarat riots of 2002 in the public perception of guilt ? Needless to say, the question itself was loaded and assumed that a majority of Indians, outside the circle of the'beautiful' people had made the association. Shri Ravi Shankar Prasad made a cogent and persuasive case that the people of Gujarat had moved on precisely because in the intervening 10 years there had been no riots there (whereas under the previous Congress governments there had been frequent riots) and the state was moving on with the prosperity that Chief Minister Modi had initiated with good governance and development. He began by saying that all riots should be condemned ( and Gujarat has had a long history of riots) and that the guilty should be brought to justice. Many have already been convicted and the cases are going on in the courts. He added, with justification, that the there has been a vilification campaign against Narendra Modi, both nationally and internationally ( there is no doubt now that such a process has been going on). It is not clear why Lord Meghnad Desai was invited to speak, apart from the fact that he is good at putting out homilies. In this case his position was : let the Chief Minister make a public apology and all would be well ! This, ofcourse, is a red herring. It is a disingenuous way of getting Shri Modi to admit to something he is not guilty of, and then jump on him with the argument that he has confessed ! Journalist Tavleen Singh disagreed with this saying that the problem of perception would never go away( this appears to be wishful thinking on her part). By her judgment Narendra Modi had failed to control the mobs (not accurate, since the army was called in at the earliest, while his requests for help from neighbouring states was not even heeded). When asked by the anchor whether the SIT Report had not made a difference, she replied in the negative. This is surprising for someone who holds forth on the rule of law. The SIT (Special Investigative Team set up by the Supreme Court to specifically examine whether there was any evidence against Shri Modi that could be used for criminal prosecution) had cleared him, but this did not satisfy Ms. Singh presumably. The Indian legal system is not sufficient for her to clear Shri Modi. She will have her pound of flesh ! She proposes that nothing less than a Truth and Reconciliation Commission could clear Mr. Modi once and for all. Apart from the fact that the Gujarat riots were similar to the Partition riots of 1947 and not like the condition of the blacks of South Africa under white racist rule, she seemed oblivious of the fact that a manufactured commission would only reopen wounds which the people of Gujarat had laid to rest. This too is a red herring. It is possible that she is hoping to play some star role in such a commission. However, what was most astonishing was her airy statement about Modi's circle who would pray to the Lord for this reprieve from the SIT. " Lord Rama, or whoever they want to pray to. . . . ." were her words. There are two questions that come to mind. 1. Who would Singh herself pray to if she wanted to pray, if indeed she does pray ? 2. Does she have a problem with Lord Rama being prayed to ? The really SIGNIFICANT question is whether Tavleen Singh would have said on national television, under a different set of circumstances : Allah or Jesus Christ or whoever they want to pray to ? Surely not. Neither of these two minority communities like to have their deity's name taken in vain. The response would be swift, all too swift, as she herself knows ! Whereas, anything goes, when referring to a Hindu deity. Her reference to Lord Rama, and this said in a pejorative way, is an indication of how the 'beautiful' people are insensitive to the sentiments of the Hindus. This appears to be a general pattern, as the present writer has observed on several occasions. It is also indicative of the liberal/ elitist approach to the Hindu ethos of the Indian subcontinent. It is also a bowing down to political correctness. The minorities can never be touched, whereas Hindu sentiment is a free for all opportunity to win the approval of the 'beautiful' people. All in all, Ms Singh appeared in the program to be self righteous and a fit accompaniment was provided by a court jester present ! (The writer is a Political Philosopher who taught at a Canadian university). http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=15696

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[Rabinder Koul]

The Indian constitution borrowed from the British and Americans is founded on Protestant theological world view. As is teh notion of Secularism, that is considered soft version of protestant theology that will be palatable to common folk without raising their hackles. The fundamental question in tackiling the issues of constitution and the corresponding laws, is to answer questions like,

• What is assumed about the nature of man who is going to be governed by these laws? 
• What is his relation to Society and the nature of society in that civilizations world view?
• What is the relationship of Man to the nature and the remaining animal and plant ecosystems in that world view?
• What is the goal of Human being?
• What are the values that can be derived from these fundamental principles?

1. In the Indian context every man should have venues to pursue, Dharma, Artha, Kaama, and Moxsha.
2. All men have different proclivities but they all need to have mechanisms to satisfy the above four goals.
3. Humans are part of nature, eco-system and not its masters (that is directly against Christian view)
4. People are born to have limited free will, that they can exercise depending upon their birth circumstances, and their environment.
5. Knowledge is the very nature of Humans (as in Chit), and all should have access to it.
6. Indian society is Kartavya Pradhan with a good recognition of their Adhikaaras, but Adhikaaras can not overwhelm Kartavya (as in the Christian theology)
7. One can go on and address these issues, in fact these issues have been discussed in the Dharma Shastras.

Ravindra Koul

अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ: स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे 

शिव: करोतु निजया नम: शक्त्या ततात्मने 

On Apr 21, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Suresh Vyas wrote:

As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.

Next thing is to draft amendments.

Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.

Next is to enforce that constitution.

Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.

Other things can be done later after the above things.

There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.

jai sri krishna!
-sv

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[Trishool]

I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 

80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 

Tr.    

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To All Participants;

We must keep our thoughts alive and alert that no matter how we plan to achieve our goal to take back British created 

India towards the The Vedic Bharat, the philosophy of Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Budhism, Jainisim, and several others

will have to be adjusted in new Bharat (Hindu Rashtra). One must not assume and express that Hindu Rashtra means

exclusion of all people who believe in faith other than Sanatan Dharma. My vision is simple, all other religion will exist 

under the Hindu Rashtra and they will have freedom to practice their faith only but they should not have any reservation 

in schools, jobs & politics, etc,. The criteria for reservation will be determined based only on  economic ground. The so

called minority will have no choice but to follow the The Vedic traditions that would be embedded in the new constitution 

of Bharat. I will be very grateful if you please send your comments on this issues also.

Respectfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun

India Heritage Foundation

Michigan (USA)

PS: Please scroll down to read some of my thoughts that was expressed before which you may not have read it. Thanks.

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From: kuma...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000

Dear Fellow Patriots of India,

I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined 

for a constructive discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject,

we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to

stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you.

Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help

but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent

majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have

been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for

me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean BJP or get out to form a separate establishment.

The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince

a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from

civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate

for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below:

Respecfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun

Michigan (USA)

April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST

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From: kuma...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:43:14 +0000

Shri Suresh Vyas ji,

Thanks for your feedback, very much appreciated. With due respect I differ from you as far as priority in the politics 

of India. In my understanding, following sequence will be more applicable: 

     1.  Approach the veterans who are in good health to agree to run as an independent candidate for MP seat in their

          respective constituency. I would like to keep two more back up candidates for each constituency with all the 

          qualification and criteria.

     2.  All candidates must go through a series of seminars to educate themselves in the history of India, constitution of India,

          techniques of good governance applied in different government and different part of the world.

     4.  Once they candidates are ready, they go in the public to discuss their vision of future Bharat, ask for public feedback

          and their support.

     5.  When the time comes, register themselves as an independent candidate for MP seat. Must take the challenge from

          the community for their support with positive & winning attitude. 

     6.  Once they win, chose a leader unanimously, form government and then act on necessary amendment in the Indian

          constitution, declare Bharat a Hindu Rashtra, Hindi it's national language, rule the country based upon the truth,

          respect to their fellow citizens and ask every non-Hindus to practice their religion based on the provision in the 

          constitution as well as honoring The Vedic/Hindu way of Life.

Once we achieve this much, to bring complete change in the Education System, the government will appoint Hindu scholars

to recommend how to establish the best suitable curriculum for elementary, middle, high school education free of cost for 

all children. Rest will start following in its right place, when there is no corruption and true implementation of the law of the land.

I hope you will shed more lights upon the process described above and our discussion will move forward and in right direction.

With kind regards,

Kumar Arun

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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:00:54 -0700
From: lalh...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.

jai sri krishna!
-sv 

LESS THAN 15 % MUSLIMS, IN INDIA, SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO IMPOSE THEIR 

SHARIA LAW. WHERE IS THE VOICE AND CHOICE OF 80% HINDU COMMUNITY, AND LEADERS ?!

Tr.  

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From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.

Next thing is to draft amendments.

Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.

Next is to enforce that constitution.

Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.

Other things can be done later after the above things.

There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.

jai sri krishna!
-sv

____________________________________________________________________________________________________

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

How difficult it is for some one to understand the basics of Vedic philosophy? One does not have to read

Vedas described by Muni Vyas thoroughly, it is easily available for all of us to learn even from Wikipedia.

There is no "Hindu-Vedic Way of Life", it is simply either 'Vedic philosophy' or 'Hindu way of Life'. Before any

concept of 'God' or so called path of 'religion' among humans during evolution, there was only quest to learn 

about the creator. In todays language, they were the scientist who discovered the origin of universe and 

why it was created. There was no religion then, it was only science to connect to Almighty. In todays language,

the religion is designed to misguide the human race. There is no proof by any scientific research that "religion 

A" can lead some one to God faster than "religion B". So, please do not inject any religion or theology into

the discussion of Hindu Way of Life in India. We need a constitution for our country based on Vedic philosophy.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:31:30 +0800

From: vasant_...@yahoo.co.in

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr. Vijaya Rajiva

I don't think one can differentiate a theocratic state from theological state on such basis. India can never be a theocratic  state or theological state under Sanatana Dharma.   V. S. Sardesai

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[Trishool]

The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.

jai sri krishna!
-sv 

LESS THAN 15 MUSLIMS, IN INDIA, SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO IMPOSE THEIR SHARIA LAW. 

WHERE IS THE VOICE AND CHOICE OF 80% HINDU COMMUNITY, AND LEADERS ?!

Tr.  

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Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.

Next thing is to draft amendments.

Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.

Next is to enforce that constitution.

Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.

Other things can be done later after the above things.

There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.

jai sri krishna!
-sv

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

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Excellent post. 

Wearer knows, where shoe pinches.!

Tr.  

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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

fyi...

_______________________________________________________________________________________
From: grd_...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700
Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India

HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . . 1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free. 2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police. 3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%. 4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those      with 90% get out because of merit. 5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money      to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a      poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day. 6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that      we eat, are sold on the footpath. 7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous. 8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges      alone take several years to be completed.

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Shri Bhagwat ji,

Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest,

willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up.

I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military

back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will

be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India. 

The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired 

military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to 

receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even

crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum

necessary cost for running the campaign.

I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However,

when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night

for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them 

or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and 

many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

PS: I do not have any answer related to Media_Monitor because I have no idea who controls the distribution.

---

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800
From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Namaskar!

 

                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. 

IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF 

MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM 

THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial 

appointee, PM must drop him.

 

This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.

 

Bhagwat Goel

                            ARE 'media_monitor5'  and 'Media Monitor USA' same,  

BECAUSE NOW WHEN I TYPE 'media_monitor 5', I get mediamonitor USA?

                                       

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012 12:02 AM
Subject: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Namaskar,

I am overwhelmed with the responses I have been receiving from you and many Indians abroad. This is my humble request 

that please keep sharing your views positive or negative but please do that in such a way that mail reaches to all not only to me.

The simple way to accomplish this task, would be to click on "reply to all" on your browser and write your opinion, please.

With kindest regards,

Kumar Arun

April 24, 2012

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 

80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. 

Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 

Tr.    

From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.

Next thing is to draft amendments.

Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.

Next is to enforce that constitution.

Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.

Other things can be done later after the above things.

There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.

jai sri krishna!
-sv

____________________________________________________________________________________________________

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON 

SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND 

PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.

Bhagwat Goel

__,_._,___

[devinde...@btopenworld.com]

9. Every India is looking to become chance rich.

 

10.When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
To: Media monior(Yahoogroup) <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Stopcorruption group(worldwide) <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; satya...@googlegroups.com; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; ahven...@gmail.com; akd...@gmail.com; arish....@gmail.com; arsudh...@gmail.com; asho...@gmail.com; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; b...@live.in; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; bhano...@gmail.com; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; brl...@gmail.com; chanda...@planmanconsulting.com; cit...@rediffmail.com; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Devinder Thakur(UK) <devinde...@btopenworld.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; fhrs...@yahoogroups.com; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; hara...@gmail.com; hindu....@gmail.com; hinduam...@gmail.com; hinduex...@gmail.com; hindus...@gmail.com; hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; H.K Bhargava(ReformIndia) <hk.bh...@yahoo.com>; ia...@yahoogroups.com; jcha...@gmail.com; jesr...@yahoo.co.in; jsra...@hotmail.com; "Kalyan Raman, Dr. (Kerala)" <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; S. Kumar (ReformIndia) <kumar...@yahoo.com>; mdna...@gmail.com; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; m...@mrv.net.in; omprakasha...@gmail.com; par...@gmail.com; pratap...@yahoo.co.in; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; "Anil K Sarkar, MD (Indiana)" <sark...@frontier.com>; scka...@rediffmail.com; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; sundara...@gmail.com; swap...@gmail.com; v.b...@virgin.net; Vasant Sardesai(ReformIndia) <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; mn...@hotmail.com; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Shadi Katyal(UK) <shadi...@yahoo.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com>; Satish Dewan (Colonel) <cold...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012, 0:27
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

fyi...

_______________________________________________________________________________________
From: grd_...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700
Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India

HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . . 1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free. 2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police. 3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%. 4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those      with 90% get out because of merit. 5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money      to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a      poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day. 6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that      we eat, are sold on the footpath. 7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous. 8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges      alone take several years to be completed.

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Shri Bhagwat ji,

Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest,

willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up.

I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military

back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will

be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India. 

The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired 

military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to 

receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even

crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum

necessary cost for running the campaign.

I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However,

when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night

for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them 

or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and 

many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

PS: I do not have any answer related to Media_Monitor because I have no idea who controls the distribution.

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.inSubject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Namaskar!

 

                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. 

IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF 

MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM 

THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial 

appointee, PM must drop him.

 

This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.

 

Bhagwat Goel

                            ARE 'media_monitor5'  and 'Media Monitor USA' same,  

BECAUSE NOW WHEN I TYPE 'media_monitor 5', I get mediamonitor USA?

                                       

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012 12:02 AM
Subject: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Namaskar,

I am overwhelmed with the responses I have been receiving from you and many Indians abroad. This is my humble request 

that please keep sharing your views positive or negative but please do that in such a way that mail reaches to all not only to me.

The simple way to accomplish this task, would be to click on "reply to all" on your browser and write your opinion, please.

With kindest regards,

Kumar Arun

April 24, 2012

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 

80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. 

Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 

Tr.    

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

To All Participants;

We must keep our thoughts alive and alert that no matter how we plan to achieve our goal to take back British created 

India towards the The Vedic Bharat, the philosophy of Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Budhism, Jainisim, and several others

will have to be adjusted in new Bharat (Hindu Rashtra). One must not assume and express that Hindu Rashtra means

exclusion of all people who believe in faith other than Sanatan Dharma. My vision is simple, all other religion will exist 

under the Hindu Rashtra and they will have freedom to practice their faith only but they should not have any reservation 

in schools, jobs & politics, etc,. The criteria for reservation will be determined based only on  economic ground. The so

called minority will have no choice but to follow the The Vedic traditions that would be embedded in the new constitution 

of Bharat. I will be very grateful if you please send your comments on this issues also.

Respectfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun

India Heritage Foundation

Michigan (USA)

PS: Please scroll down to read some of my thoughts that was expressed before which you may not have read it. Thanks.

_______________________________________________________________________________________________

From: kuma...@hotmail.comSubject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000

Dear Fellow Patriots of India,

I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined 

for a constructive discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject,

we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to

stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you.

Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help

but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent

majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have

been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for

me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean BJP or get out to form a separate establishment.

The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince

a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from

civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate

for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below:

Respecfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun

Michigan (USA)

April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

From: kuma...@hotmail.comSubject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:43:14 +0000

Shri Suresh Vyas ji,

Thanks for your feedback, very much appreciated. With due respect I differ from you as far as priority in the politics 

of India. In my understanding, following sequence will be more applicable: 

     1.  Approach the veterans who are in good health to agree to run as an independent candidate for MP seat in their

          respective constituency. I would like to keep two more back up candidates for each constituency with all the 

          qualification and criteria.

     2.  All candidates must go through a series of seminars to educate themselves in the history of India, constitution of India,

          techniques of good governance applied in different government and different part of the world.

     4.  Once they candidates are ready, they go in the public to discuss their vision of future Bharat, ask for public feedback

          and their support.

     5.  When the time comes, register themselves as an independent candidate for MP seat. Must take the challenge from

          the community for their support with positive & winning attitude. 

     6.  Once they win, chose a leader unanimously, form government and then act on necessary amendment in the Indian

          constitution, declare Bharat a Hindu Rashtra, Hindi it's national language, rule the country based upon the truth,

          respect to their fellow citizens and ask every non-Hindus to practice their religion based on the provision in the 

          constitution as well as honoring The Vedic/Hindu way of Life.

Once we achieve this much, to bring complete change in the Education System, the government will appoint Hindu scholars

to recommend how to establish the best suitable curriculum for elementary, middle, high school education free of cost for 

all children. Rest will start following in its right place, when there is no corruption and true implementation of the law of the land.

I hope you will shed more lights upon the process described above and our discussion will move forward and in right direction.

With kind regards,

Kumar Arun

From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.

Next thing is to draft amendments.

Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.

Next is to enforce that constitution.

Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.

Other things can be done later after the above things.

There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.

jai sri krishna!
-sv
____________________________________________________________________________________________________

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON 

SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND 

PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.

Bhagwat Goel

__,_._,___

[Trishool]

Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 

We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 

We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.

God bless Bharat

Tr.   

---

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com; issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com; stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com; satya...@googlegroups.com; abhishek...@gmail.com; ahven...@gmail.com; akd...@gmail.com; arish....@gmail.com; arsudh...@gmail.com; asho...@gmail.com; babusu...@hotmail.com; b...@live.in; bhagav...@yahoo.ca; bhano...@gmail.com; bharatswabhi...@gmail.com; brl...@gmail.com; chanda...@planmanconsulting.com; cit...@rediffmail.com; desi...@googlegroups.com; divy...@rediffmail.com; drto...@gmail.com; fhrs...@yahoogroups.com; g...@sainiksangh.org; hara...@gmail.com; hindu....@gmail.com; hinduam...@gmail.com; hinduex...@gmail.com; hindus...@gmail.com; hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in; hita...@gmail.com; ia...@yahoogroups.com; jcha...@gmail.com; jesr...@yahoo.co.in; jsra...@hotmail.com; kaly...@gmail.com; kama...@gmail.com; kata...@aol.com; kumar...@yahoo.com; mdna...@gmail.com; mgu...@rogers.com; m...@mrv.net.in; omprakasha...@gmail.com; par...@gmail.com; pratap...@yahoo.co.in; raksha....@googlemail.com; sandh...@bol.net.in; sark...@frontier.com; scka...@rediffmail.com; smdav...@yahoo.com; sundara...@gmail.com; swap...@gmail.com; v.b...@virgin.net; vasant_...@yahoo.co.in; vhpin...@gmail.com; mn...@hotmail.com; skan...@gmail.com; shadi...@yahoo.com; grd_...@yahoo.com; crsu...@gmail.com; cold...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM

Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Shri Lal Gehi ji,

A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.

I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready

for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 years ago and that will make more sense.

Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.

Kumar Arun

---

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700
From: lalh...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

---

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM

Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India

will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us

a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in

India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'

larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion

A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 

If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 

biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At

one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!

I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely

interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.

Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.

This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.

This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 

Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

---

From: devinde...@btopenworld.com
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

             9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.

 

           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.

_______________________________________________________________________________________

From: grd_...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700
Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India

HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . . 1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free. 2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police. 3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%. 4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those      with 90% get out because of merit. 5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money      to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a      poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day. 6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that      we eat, are sold on the footpath. 7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous. 8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges      alone take several years to be completed.

_____________________________________________________________________________________

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Shri Bhagwat ji,

Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest,

willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up.

I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military

back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will

be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India. 

The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired 

military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to 

receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even

crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum

necessary cost for running the campaign.

I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However,

when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night

for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them 

or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and 

many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

_______________________________________________________________________________________

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800

From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Namaskar!

 

                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. 

IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF 

MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM 

THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial 

appointee, PM must drop him.

 

This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.

 

Bhagwat Goel

__________________________________________________________________________

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 

80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. 

Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 

Tr.    

_______________________________________________________________________________________

Respectfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun

Michigan (USA)

April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

From: kuma...@hotmail.com

Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?

Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:43:14 +0000

Shri Suresh Vyas ji,

Thanks for your feedback, very much appreciated. With due respect I differ from you as far as priority in the politics 

of India. In my understanding, following sequence will be more applicable: 

     

     1.  Approach the veterans who are in good health to agree to run as an independent candidate for MP seat in their

          respective constituency. I would like to keep two more back up candidates for each constituency with all the 

          qualification and criteria.

     2.  All candidates must go through a series of seminars to educate themselves in the history of India, constitution of India,

          techniques of good governance applied in different government and different part of the world.

     4.  Once the candidates are ready, they go in the public to discuss their vision of future Bharat, ask for public feedback

          and their support.

     5.  When the time comes, register themselves as an independent candidate for MP seat. Must take the challenge from

          the community for their support with positive & winning attitude. 

     6.  Once they win, chose a leader unanimously, form government and then act on necessary amendment in the Indian

          constitution, declare Bharat a Hindu Rashtra, Hindi it's national language, rule the country based upon the truth,

          respect to their fellow citizens and ask every non-Hindus to practice their religion based on the provision in the 

          constitution as well as honoring The Vedic/Hindu way of Life.

Once we achieve this much, to bring complete change in the Education System, the government will appoint Hindu scholars

to recommend how to establish the best suitable curriculum for elementary, middle, high school education free of cost for 

all children. Rest will start following in its right place, when there is no corruption and true implementation of the law of the land.

I hope you will shed more lights upon the process described above and our discussion will move forward and in right direction.

With kind regards,

Kumar Arun

____________________________________________________________________________________________

From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.

Next thing is to draft amendments.

Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.

Next is to enforce that constitution.

Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.

Other things can be done later after the above things.

There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.

jai sri krishna!
-sv
____________________________________________________________________________________________________

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON 

SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND 

PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.

Bhagwat Goel

_____________________________________________________________________________

__._,_.___

__,_._,___

[Rabinder Koul]

I am not sure 80% Hindus are with us?

Ravindra Koul

अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ: स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे 

शिव: करोतु निजया नम: शक्त्या ततात्मने 

[Trishool]

I agree, 

Every Indian should, read those beautiful words of Gandhi ji. 

proud to Indian. 

God bless Bharat. 

Tr.  

---

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
To: Trishool <lalh...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Stopcorruption group(worldwide) <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; H.K Bhargava(ReformIndia) <hk.bh...@yahoo.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; "Kalyan Raman, Dr. (Kerala)" <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; S. Kumar (ReformIndia) <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; "Anil K Sarkar, MD (Indiana)" <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Vasant Sardesai(ReformIndia) <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Shadi Katyal(UK) <shadi...@yahoo.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com>; Satish Dewan (Colonel) <cold...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:37 AM

Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready

for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 years ago and that will make more sense.

Kumar Arun

---

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700
From: lalh...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

---

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM

Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India

will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us

a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in

India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'

larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion

A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 

If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 

biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At

one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!

I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely

interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.

Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.

This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.

This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 

Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

---

From: devinde...@btopenworld.com
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

             9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.

 

           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.

_______________________________________________________________________________________

From: grd_...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700
Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India

HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . . 1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free. 2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police. 3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%. 4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those      with 90% get out because of merit. 5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money      to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a      poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day. 6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that      we eat, are sold on the footpath. 7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous. 8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges      alone take several years to be completed.

_____________________________________________________________________________________

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Shri Bhagwat ji,

Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest,

willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up.

I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military

back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will

be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India. 

The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired 

military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to 

receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even

crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum

necessary cost for running the campaign.

I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However,

when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night

for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them 

or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and 

many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

_______________________________________________________________________________________

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800

From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Namaskar!

 

                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. 

IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF 

MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM 

THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial 

appointee, PM must drop him.

 

This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.

 

Bhagwat Goel

__________________________________________________________________________

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 

80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. 

Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 

Tr.    

_______________________________________________________________________________________

Respectfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun

Michigan (USA)

April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

From: kuma...@hotmail.com

Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?

Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:43:14 +0000

Shri Suresh Vyas ji,

Thanks for your feedback, very much appreciated. With due respect I differ from you as far as priority in the politics 

of India. In my understanding, following sequence will be more applicable: 

     

     1.  Approach the veterans who are in good health to agree to run as an independent candidate for MP seat in their

          respective constituency. I would like to keep two more back up candidates for each constituency with all the 

          qualification and criteria.

     2.  All candidates must go through a series of seminars to educate themselves in the history of India, constitution of India,

          techniques of good governance applied in different government and different part of the world.

     4.  Once the candidates are ready, they go in the public to discuss their vision of future Bharat, ask for public feedback

          and their support.

     5.  When the time comes, register themselves as an independent candidate for MP seat. Must take the challenge from

          the community for their support with positive & winning attitude. 

     6.  Once they win, chose a leader unanimously, form government and then act on necessary amendment in the Indian

          constitution, declare Bharat a Hindu Rashtra, Hindi it's national language, rule the country based upon the truth,

          respect to their fellow citizens and ask every non-Hindus to practice their religion based on the provision in the 

          constitution as well as honoring The Vedic/Hindu way of Life.

Once we achieve this much, to bring complete change in the Education System, the government will appoint Hindu scholars

to recommend how to establish the best suitable curriculum for elementary, middle, high school education free of cost for 

all children. Rest will start following in its right place, when there is no corruption and true implementation of the law of the land.

I hope you will shed more lights upon the process described above and our discussion will move forward and in right direction.

With kind regards,

Kumar Arun

____________________________________________________________________________________________

From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.

Next thing is to draft amendments.

Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.

Next is to enforce that constitution.

Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.

Other things can be done later after the above things.

There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.

jai sri krishna!
-sv
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On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON 

SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND 

PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.

Bhagwat Goel

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[Trishool]

 by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has been in existence for the past say fifty odd years. 

Thakur Sahib, 

If you are a Hindu, you must know, that :

You are talking about social evils. 

THE SOCIAL EVILS ARE NOT HINDU TEACHINGS, NOR HINDU TRADITIONS, AND HINDU CULTURE.  

1. When Raja Dashrath dies, none of his queen performs Sati Pratha. 

2. In Mahabharata, war, many Hindu soldiers died, but there is no example of Sati Prath, there also. 

3. I am sure, ( If you are a Hindu ), you must know, that Sati pratha is legally banned in India, since British rule.  

Please stop spreading mud on Hindu traditions.

Tr.     

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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Mr Kumar Arun, Sometime last year you announced your arrival by uttering words to the effect that you have not joined this link to waste your time but  do or say something purposeful.for our motherland.and its inhabitants..   I saw some light of a shinning star on the horizon. But very soon you were talking the same language that every one else.was using i.e our past greatness, our rich history and our ancient Vedic culture.and so on.

 

 India may be an old culture and its inhabitants may be the most civilised people but it is only a young nation, born in 1947.. Since then this young nation has been  searching for an identity for itself. Should it be a modern and progressive nation, playing its useful part in the comity of nations, in the field of education, science and technology or should it be a nation looking backwards, basking in its past glory and .moving towards its cherished goal of adopting Vedic life style. Unless and Until we have solved this dilemma,we as a nation do not know whether we are coming. or going. 

 

A modern mindset is one that emerges from enlightenment.by modern knowledge.  How much  our enlightenedd mind has changed is evident from the shocking findings of a recent Unicef survey which discovered 57 per cent of adolescent boys and 53 per cent of adolescent girls in India believe husbands have the "right" to beat their wives. Many of our people or the regions which did not experience the "Enlightenment" of modernity have acquired a gloss of modern minds but stuck in feudal, superstitious past. The social, cultural or even political behaviour, we exhibit a medieval minset.with modern day trappings.A foreign ruler had to legislate against the most evil social practise that we adopted to solve the social and economic problem of a woman who had lost her bread winner , by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has been in existence for the past say fifty odd years. The people in India still illegally use ultrasonography to facilitate female foeticide. astrologers  still fix marriages through caste and planetary calculations , though often using computers . Elections are based wholly on caste , community and religion.

 

We can not simply legislate modernity in our existence when half of us are not sure whether we want to be modern or not. It would be even more difficult to do so in India where the wheels of justice often take decades to start turning. We elect politicians with dubious credentials and hope that they will become modern day saints when in power. 

 

We can only hope that our much vaunted "soft power" i.e our "bhel puri" and "gol guppa" culture together with the knoweldge based communication tools  will yank our people's minds and attitudes to the 21st cetruy thinking". Regards Devinder Thakur  

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Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012, 13:48

Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India

will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us

a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in

India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'

larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion

A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 

If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 

biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At

one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!

I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely

interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.

Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.

This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.

This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 

Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

From: devinde...@btopenworld.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?  

             9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.

 

           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.

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From: grd_...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700
Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India

HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . . 1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free. 2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police. 3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%. 4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those      with 90% get out because of merit. 5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money      to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a      poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day. 6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that      we eat, are sold on the footpath. 7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous. 8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges      alone take several years to be completed.

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Shri Bhagwat ji,

Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest,

willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up.

I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military

back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will

be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India. 

The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired 

military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to 

receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even

crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum

necessary cost for running the campaign.

I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However,

when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night

for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them 

or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and 

many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800

From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Namaskar!

 

                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. 

IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF 

MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM 

THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial 

appointee, PM must drop him.

 

This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.

 

Bhagwat Goel

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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 

80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. 

Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 

Tr.    

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Respectfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun

Michigan (USA)

April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST

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From: kuma...@hotmail.com

Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?

Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:43:14 +0000

Shri Suresh Vyas ji,

Thanks for your feedback, very much appreciated. With due respect I differ from you as far as priority in the politics 

of India. In my understanding, following sequence will be more applicable: 

     

     1.  Approach the veterans who are in good health to agree to run as an independent candidate for MP seat in their

          respective constituency. I would like to keep two more back up candidates for each constituency with all the 

          qualification and criteria.

     2.  All candidates must go through a series of seminars to educate themselves in the history of India, constitution of India,

          techniques of good governance applied in different government and different part of the world.

     4.  Once the candidates are ready, they go in the public to discuss their vision of future Bharat, ask for public feedback

          and their support.

     5.  When the time comes, register themselves as an independent candidate for MP seat. Must take the challenge from

          the community for their support with positive & winning attitude. 

     6.  Once they win, chose a leader unanimously, form government and then act on necessary amendment in the Indian

          constitution, declare Bharat a Hindu Rashtra, Hindi it's national language, rule the country based upon the truth,

          respect to their fellow citizens and ask every non-Hindus to practice their religion based on the provision in the 

          constitution as well as honoring The Vedic/Hindu way of Life.

Once we achieve this much, to bring complete change in the Education System, the government will appoint Hindu scholars

to recommend how to establish the best suitable curriculum for elementary, middle, high school education free of cost for 

all children. Rest will start following in its right place, when there is no corruption and true implementation of the law of the land.

I hope you will shed more lights upon the process described above and our discussion will move forward and in right direction.

With kind regards,

Kumar Arun

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From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.

Next thing is to draft amendments.

Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.

Next is to enforce that constitution.

Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.

Other things can be done later after the above things.

There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.

jai sri krishna!
-sv
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On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON 

SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND 

PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.

Bhagwat Goel

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[Trishool]

I am not sure 80% Hindus are with us?

Ravindra Koul

I agree, Hindus are not as united, as Muslims. That is why Hindus have suffered, and still suffering. The Hindu mindset must change. !

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

To: Trishool <lalh...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com" <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; "abhishek...@gmail.com" <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; "babusu...@hotmail.com" <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; "bhagav...@yahoo.ca" <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; "bharatswabhi...@gmail.com" <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; "divy...@rediffmail.com" <divy...@rediffmail.com>; "drto...@gmail.com" <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; "g...@sainiksangh.org" <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; "hita...@gmail.com" <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; "kaly...@gmail.com" <kaly...@gmail.com>; "kama...@gmail.com" <kama...@gmail.com>; "kata...@aol.com" <kata...@aol.com>; "kumar...@yahoo.com" <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; "mgu...@rogers.com" <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; "raksha....@googlemail.com" <raksha....@googlemail.com>; "sandh...@bol.net.in" <sandh...@bol.net.in>; "sark...@frontier.com" <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; "smdav...@yahoo.com" <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; "vasant_...@yahoo.co.in" <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; "vhpin...@gmail.com" <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; "skan...@gmail.com" <skan...@gmail.com>; "shadi...@yahoo.com" <shadi...@yahoo.com>; "grd_...@yahoo.com" <grd_...@yahoo.com>; "crsu...@gmail.com" <crsu...@gmail.com>; "cold...@gmail.com" <cold...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:49 PM

Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for

participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 

as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?

Best regards,

Kumar Arun

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 

We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 

We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 

our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.

God bless Bharat

Tr.   

---

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

[bhagwat goel]

WILL SOMEONE APPRISE AS TO WHAT MINISTERS & BUREUCRATS GET AS PERKS, HOUSING,CARS CHAUFFERS, SERVANTS free lakhs of Calls, HUGE WATER& ELECTRICITY COSUMPTION ETC.

 

What is the reality in UA,CANADA UK?

 

Bhagwat Goel

From: Trishool <lalh...@yahoo.com>
To: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com" <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; "abhishek...@gmail.com" <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; "babusu...@hotmail.com" <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; "bhagav...@yahoo.ca" <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; "bharatswabhi...@gmail.com" <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; "divy...@rediffmail.com" <divy...@rediffmail.com>; "drto...@gmail.com" <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; "g...@sainiksangh.org" <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; "hita...@gmail.com" <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; "kaly...@gmail.com" <kaly...@gmail.com>; "kama...@gmail.com" <kama...@gmail.com>; "kata...@aol.com" <kata...@aol.com>; "kumar...@yahoo.com" <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; "mgu...@rogers.com" <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; "raksha....@googlemail.com" <raksha....@googlemail.com>; "sandh...@bol.net.in" <sandh...@bol.net.in>; "sark...@frontier.com" <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; "smdav...@yahoo.com" <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; "vasant_...@yahoo.co.in" <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; "vhpin...@gmail.com" <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; "skan...@gmail.com" <skan...@gmail.com>; "shadi...@yahoo.com" <shadi...@yahoo.com>; "grd_...@yahoo.com" <grd_...@yahoo.com>; "crsu...@gmail.com" <crsu...@gmail.com>; "cold...@gmail.com" <cold...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

STOP GOVERNMENT LOOT, IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY AND SECULARISM. LEADERS OF POOR PEOPLE OF INDIA, ARE GETTING RICH, AND POOR GETTING POORER.!

God bless Bharat

Tr.    

Subject: Shameful face of a Democracy........British were far far Better

 

Socialism is when the people work for the government.   Democracy is when the Government works for the people.   Utopia is when the government actually works. GOVERNMENT SAYS TO PASS THE LOKPAL BILL THE PARLIAMENT NEEDS MINIMUM FOUR MONTHS TIME, WHEREAS TO PASS A BILL HIKING MPs SALARY THE SAME PARLIAMENT DID NOT TAKE EVEN FOUR HOURS.   NONE OF THE MPs PASSED AND ADVERSE COMMENTS ABOUT THIS.  ALL OF THEM  INCLUDING BJP,  LEFT, MAMATA BANERJEE,  A.K.ANTONY  WERE PART OF THIS LOOT OF THE NATION.  NOW, READ THE FOLLOWING :-    An Important Issue! Indian government approves 200% MPs’ salary hike , Still some MP's are unhappy.  Now , MP's take home salary is Rs 45 lakh per anum + other allowances. TOTAL expense for a MP [having no qualification] per year :  Rs.60,95,000 For 534 MPs, the expense  for 1 years:  Rs. 325,47,30,000  3254730000 X 5 years =  Rs.1627,36, 50000  ( One Thousand six hundred crores plus..) This is the present condition of our country:  1627 crores could make their lives livable!!   Think of the great democracy we have…  Do Mp's really need salary hike? Do they really wait for 30th of every month for salary  credits to there bank accounts, like we do every month ????  FORWARD  THIS MESSAGE TO ALL REAL CITIZENSOF INDIA !! ARE YOU? I know hitting the Deletebutton is easier...but....try to press the Fwd button & make people aware! PLS

 

--

Regards

Saurabh K Gupta

Research Analyst (Equity, Commodities, Forex, IRF)

+91 9211668878

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
To: Trishool <lalh...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com" <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; "abhishek...@gmail.com" <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; "babusu...@hotmail.com" <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; "bhagav...@yahoo.ca" <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; "bharatswabhi...@gmail.com" <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; "divy...@rediffmail.com" <divy...@rediffmail.com>; "drto...@gmail.com" <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; "g...@sainiksangh.org" <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; "hita...@gmail.com" <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; "kaly...@gmail.com" <kaly...@gmail.com>; "kama...@gmail.com" <kama...@gmail.com>; "kata...@aol.com" <kata...@aol.com>; "kumar...@yahoo.com" <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; "mgu...@rogers.com" <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; "raksha....@googlemail.com" <raksha....@googlemail.com>; "sandh...@bol.net.in" <sandh...@bol.net.in>; "sark...@frontier.com" <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; "smdav...@yahoo.com" <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; "vasant_...@yahoo.co.in" <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; "vhpin...@gmail.com" <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; "skan...@gmail.com" <skan...@gmail.com>; "shadi...@yahoo.com" <shadi...@yahoo.com>; "grd_...@yahoo.com" <grd_...@yahoo.com>; "crsu...@gmail.com" <crsu...@gmail.com>; "cold...@gmail.com" <cold...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:49 PM

Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for

participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 

as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?

Best regards,

Kumar Arun

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 

We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 

We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 

our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.

God bless Bharat

Tr.   

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Shri Lal Gehi ji,

A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.

I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready

for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 years ago and that will make more sense.

Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.

Kumar Arun

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India

will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us

a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in

India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'

larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion

A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 

If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 

biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At

one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!

I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely

interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.

Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.

This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.

This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 

Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

From: devinde...@btopenworld.comDate: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:49 PM

Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for

participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 

as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?

Best regards,

Kumar Arun

---

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 

We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 

We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 

our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.

God bless Bharat

Tr.   

---

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

[Trishool]

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com; issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com; stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com; satya...@googlegroups.com; abhishek...@gmail.com; ahven...@gmail.com; akd...@gmail.com; arish....@gmail.com; arsudh...@gmail.com; asho...@gmail.com; babusu...@hotmail.com; b...@live.in; bhagav...@yahoo.ca; bhano...@gmail.com; bharatswabhi...@gmail.com; brl...@gmail.com; chanda...@planmanconsulting.com; cit...@rediffmail.com; desi...@googlegroups.com; divy...@rediffmail.com; drto...@gmail.com; fhrs...@yahoogroups.com; g...@sainiksangh.org; hara...@gmail.com; hindu....@gmail.com; hinduam...@gmail.com; hinduex...@gmail.com; hindus...@gmail.com; hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in; hita...@gmail.com; ia...@yahoogroups.com; jcha...@gmail.com; jesr...@yahoo.co.in; jsra...@hotmail.com; kaly...@gmail.com; kama...@gmail.com; kata...@aol.com; kumar...@yahoo.com; mdna...@gmail.com; mgu...@rogers.com; m...@mrv.net.in; omprakasha...@gmail.com; par...@gmail.com; pratap...@yahoo.co.in; raksha....@googlemail.com; sandh...@bol.net.in; sark...@frontier.com; scka...@rediffmail.com; smdav...@yahoo.com; sundara...@gmail.com; swap...@gmail.com; v.b...@virgin.net; vasant_...@yahoo.co.in; vhpin...@gmail.com; mn...@hotmail.com; skan...@gmail.com; shadi...@yahoo.com; grd_...@yahoo.com; crsu...@gmail.com; cold...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM

Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Shri Lal Gehi ji,

A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.

I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready

for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 years ago and that will make more sense.

Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.

[Trishool]

Let us all appreciate, and applaud, the efforts of patriot Indians, who are trying to bring constructive change, to serve, Bharat Mata. 

" Galib " ko bura khetay hain, achha nahin kartay. !!

God bless Bharat

Tr.   

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Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,

I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position within government. 

If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my

ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, 

not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?

The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least

NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?

I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. 

Regards,

Kumar Arun

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700
From: nag...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Kumar ji:

True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from 

a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, 

with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, 

"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own 

comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow 

humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future generation.

  

So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote 

to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   

YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. 

With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   

 

Hari OM

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for

participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 

as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?

Best regards,

Kumar Arun

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 

We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 

We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 

our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.

God bless Bharat

Tr.   

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[devinde...@btopenworld.com]

Mr Kumar Arun, Sometime last year you announced your arrival by uttering words to the effect that you have not joined this link to waste your time but  do or say something purposeful.for our motherland.and its inhabitants..   I saw some light of a shinning star on the horizon. But very soon you were talking the same language that every one else.was using i.e our past greatness, our rich history and our ancient Vedic culture.and so on.

 

 India may be an old culture and its inhabitants may be the most civilised people but it is only a young nation, born in 1947.. Since then this young nation has been  searching for an identity for itself. Should it be a modern and progressive nation, playing its useful part in the comity of nations, in the field of education, science and technology or should it be a nation looking backwards, basking in its past glory and .moving towards its cherished goal of adopting Vedic life style. Unless and Until we have solved this dilemma,we as a nation do not know whether we are coming. or going. 

 

A modern mindset is one that emerges from enlightenment.by modern knowledge.  How much  our enlightenedd mind has changed is evident from the shocking findings of a recent Unicef survey which discovered 57 per cent of adolescent boys and 53 per cent of adolescent girls in India believe husbands have the "right" to beat their wives. Many of our people or the regions which did not experience the "Enlightenment" of modernity have acquired a gloss of modern minds but stuck in feudal, superstitious past. The social, cultural or even political behaviour, we exhibit a medieval minset.with modern day trappings.A foreign ruler had to legislate against the most evil social practise that we adopted to solve the social and economic problem of a woman who had lost her bread winner , by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has been in existence for the past say fifty odd years. The people in India still illegally use ultrasonography to facilitate female foeticide. astrologers  still fix marriages through caste and planetary calculations , though often using computers . Elections are based wholly on caste , community and religion.

 

We can not simply legislate modernity in our existence when half of us are not sure whether we want to be modern or not. It would be even more difficult to do so in India where the wheels of justice often take decades to start turning. We elect politicians with dubious credentials and hope that they will become modern day saints when in power. 

 

We can only hope that our much vaunted "soft power" i.e our "bhel puri" and "gol guppa" culture together with the knoweldge based communication tools  will yank our people's minds and attitudes to the 21st cetruy thinking". Regards Devinder Thakur  

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Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India

will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us

a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in

India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'

larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion

A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 

If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 

biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At

one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!

I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely

interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.

Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.

This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.

This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 

Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

From: devinde...@btopenworld.comDate: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?  

             9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.

 

           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.

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From: grd_...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700
Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India

HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . . 1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free. 2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police. 3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%. 4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those      with 90% get out because of merit. 5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money      to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a      poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day. 6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that      we eat, are sold on the footpath. 7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous. 8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges      alone take several years to be completed.

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Shri Bhagwat ji,

Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest,

willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up.

I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military

back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will

be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India. 

The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired 

military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to 

receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even

crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum

necessary cost for running the campaign.

I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However,

when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night

for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them 

or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and 

many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800

From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Namaskar!

 

                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. 

IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF 

MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM 

THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial 

appointee, PM must drop him.

 

This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.

 

Bhagwat Goel

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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 

80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. 

Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 

Tr.    

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Respectfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun

Michigan (USA)

April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST

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Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?

Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:43:14 +0000

Shri Suresh Vyas ji,

Thanks for your feedback, very much appreciated. With due respect I differ from you as far as priority in the politics 

of India. In my understanding, following sequence will be more applicable: 

     

     1.  Approach the veterans who are in good health to agree to run as an independent candidate for MP seat in their

          respective constituency. I would like to keep two more back up candidates for each constituency with all the 

          qualification and criteria.

     2.  All candidates must go through a series of seminars to educate themselves in the history of India, constitution of India,

          techniques of good governance applied in different government and different part of the world.

     4.  Once the candidates are ready, they go in the public to discuss their vision of future Bharat, ask for public feedback

          and their support.

     5.  When the time comes, register themselves as an independent candidate for MP seat. Must take the challenge from

          the community for their support with positive & winning attitude. 

     6.  Once they win, chose a leader unanimously, form government and then act on necessary amendment in the Indian

          constitution, declare Bharat a Hindu Rashtra, Hindi it's national language, rule the country based upon the truth,

          respect to their fellow citizens and ask every non-Hindus to practice their religion based on the provision in the 

          constitution as well as honoring The Vedic/Hindu way of Life.

Once we achieve this much, to bring complete change in the Education System, the government will appoint Hindu scholars

to recommend how to establish the best suitable curriculum for elementary, middle, high school education free of cost for 

all children. Rest will start following in its right place, when there is no corruption and true implementation of the law of the land.

I hope you will shed more lights upon the process described above and our discussion will move forward and in right direction.

With kind regards,

Kumar Arun

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From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.

Next thing is to draft amendments.

Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.

Next is to enforce that constitution.

Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.

Other things can be done later after the above things.

There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.

jai sri krishna!
-sv
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On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON 

SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND 

PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.

Bhagwat Goel

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Sati pratha is leagally banned, in India, since long time. If some ignorant want to commit suicide, you can not blame whole Hindu religion, or Hindu society,for his ignorance.!

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Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Why is asking questions become a mud slinging issue.It is easy to find excuses and blames but facts cannot be denied and covered under words like mud slinging or if you are Hindu???

It is true that bride burning is not our custom and culture in Hinduisms but like Sati of the past it has spread like proverbial wild fire. What is being done to end this.

Shadi

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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Lal Gehi Ji, There is no question of slinging mud on the Hindu religion and its traditions. The discussion is about modernity of a nation as against its  backwardness.  'Sati' was a social and economic problem and a quick solution to fix it. It existed in some Samajs in India but was a ghastly practise just the same.  Regards Devinder

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Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012, 17:48
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has been in existence for the past say fifty odd years. 

Thakur Sahib, 

If you are a Hindu, you must know, that :

You are talking about social evils. 

THE SOCIAL EVILS ARE NOT HINDU TEACHINGS, NOR HINDU TRADITIONS, AND HINDU CULTURE.  

1. When Raja Dashrath dies, none of his queen performs Sati Pratha. 

2. In Mahabharata, war, many Hindu soldiers died, but there is no example of Sati Prath, there also. 

3. I am sure, ( If you are a Hindu ), you must know, that Sati pratha is legally banned in India, since British rule.  

Please stop spreading mud on Hindu traditions.

Tr.     

[Rabinder Koul]

change the situation hence not of much help....

Ravindra Koul

अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ: स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे 

शिव: करोतु निजया नम: शक्त्या ततात्मने 

On Apr 27, 2012, at 1:21 AM, satbir singh wrote:

I agree with Arun and Trishool but Sikhs, Jains and Indian Buddhists would form part of Hindus.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

From: Rabinder Koul <arr...@ameritech.net>
To: Trishool <lalh...@yahoo.com>

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Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

I am not sure 80% Hindus are with us?
Ravindra Koul
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स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे
शिव: करोतु निजया नम:
शक्त्या ततात्मने

On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:30 PM, Trishool wrote:

> I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji,
>
> 80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15%
> Muslims or others. Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in
> the home of Hindus.
>
> Tr.
>

> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:00:54 -0700
> From: lalh...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>
> The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system,
> and that cannot be allowed.
> One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.
>
> jai sri krishna!
> -sv
>
> LESS THAN 15 % MUSLIMS, IN INDIA, SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO IMPOSE
> THEIR
> SHARIA LAW. WHERE IS THE VOICE AND CHOICE OF 80% HINDU COMMUNITY,
> AND LEADERS ?!
>
> Tr.
>

> From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
> As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the
> constitution that are anti-Vedic.
>
> Next thing is to draft amendments.
>
> Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments
> approved.
>
> Next is to enforce that constitution.
>
> Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
> But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the
> Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.
>
> Other things can be done later after the above things.
>
> There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
> The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system,
> and that cannot be allowed.
> One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.
>
> jai sri krishna!
> -sv
>
> __________________________________________________________

> From: devinde...@btopenworld.com
> <devinde...@btopenworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr.
> Vijaya Rajiva
> Date: Friday, 13 April, 2012, 3:09 PM
>
>
> Dear Sir. Many people confuse a theological State with Theocratic
> State. I used the word theological to explain what
> our friend Sh. Kumar Arun Ji has described as the "Hindu-Vedic way
> of life". Put simply a theological State would be
> the one in which the saints and sages would take interest in the
> affairs of the state and where the emphasis would be
> on personal piety and spiritualism.
>
> A theocratic State on the other hand is the one which becomes God's
> kingdom and many Muslim and countries,
> for example, rule their people in the name of their God.
>
> I hope this would remove the confusion. Regards Devinder Thakur
> ----------------------------------------------------------

> From: Mukund Apte <mda...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, 13 April 2012, 3:12
> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr.
> Vijaya Rajiva
>
>
> Dear Sir,
> Can you pleae clarify your terminology 'a Hindu theologocal
> State'? What is the so 'exclusive' theology of Hindus, so that when
> somebody disregards the 'exclusive principle' in it, he is punished?
> Any example (even from ancient times) may clarify the term to at
> least some extent, I feel. I was under impression that this
> theological State was the haven only of 'exclusive Religions. That
> is the
> purpose I am asking this.
>
> With regards to all,
> -------Mukund Apte
> ----------------------------------------------------------

> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:40 PM, <devinde...@btopenworld.com>
> wrote:
>
> Whatever Barkha Dutt's background, one thing is sure that if and
> when India becomes a Hindu state, she
> will meet the same fate as that of M F Hussain. the artist. He for
> denigrating the Hindu deities and she for
> being against the "Vedic culture of India and its inhabitant Hindus"
>
> As far as Tavleen Singh is concerned, she is bound to meet the same
> fate as Barkha and would have to seek
> asylum in say Khalistan which is bound to follow as soon as India is
> declared a Hindu theological state.
>
> By the way, although I watched the programme which has given rise to
> this discussion,and I am aware
> that Tavleen Singh mumbles a lot, could some one please state what
> is it that Tavleen Singh has actually said
> that has caused an offence to the Hindus at large.
>
> Needless to say that Ram and his Mandir in Ayodhya has been used a
> lot in order to win elections
> until Sushma Swaraj,the leader of the opposition, one day declared
> that the issue of Ram and/or his Mandir
> was a cheque that has long been cashed.
> ----------------------------------------------------------

> From: devinde...@btopenworld.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:08:55 +0100
> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr.
> Vijaya Rajiva
> Tavleen Singh is a professional journalist. She took on the Mullahs
> in Deoband for the absence of
> any Fatwas against
> Islamic terror and the terrorists.
>
> I think she was quite justified in saying that some Hindu leader of
> party would use the name of Lord Ram
> to win an election. She did not denigrate Lord Ram but showed up the
> politicians.Let us face it.
> ----------------------------------------------------------

> From: Mukesh Varma <mukes...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 7:06
> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr.
> Vijaya Rajiva
>
> We are looking at only one side of Tavleen Singh. Before this "Ram
> worship" controversy sprang up she has been known to be a sworn
> enemy of Sonia Gandhi. She has always been referring to Sonia as
> "that thin lady from Turin ".
>
> -- Mukesh Varma
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>

> From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr.
> Vijaya Rajiva
> Date: Thursday, 12 April, 2012, 11:09 AM
>
> Tavleen SIngh's genes are mixed with the assassinated Governor
> Salman Taseer of Pakistan with whom she had week long fling and
> physical relations in 1980, that she got a son Aatish through him,
> who is a freelance journalist based in U.K.
>
> How could you expect Tavleen infatuated and having had a son through
> a Muslim, expect to speak in favour of Hindu-s? She should have
> changed her name to Tasleem rather than continuing as Tavleen, a
> curse for Hindu-s who are tolerant to the extreme to bear such non-
> sense, who otherwise would hav been killed if she had spoken
> anything against Islam.
>
> ......Salmaan Taseer had a son, Aatish, in 1980 with Indian
> journalist Tavleen Singh. Though married at the time, Taseer met
> Singh during a book promotion trip to India in March 1980. According
> to Aatish, their "affair lasted little more than a week." Aatish is
> a freelance journalist in the UK and has recently written a book –
> Stranger to History: A Son’s Journey through Islamic Lands –
> about his estranged relationship with his father.
> __________________________________________________________

> From: Mukund Apte <mda...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr.
> Vijaya Rajiva
>
>
> Dear Sir,
> Your hope that the anchor should have cooled the environment
> (of the discussion) is OK, But I we know Barkhajee do
> you any confirmation (even in mind) that she would have done
> so?
>
> With regards to all,
>
> Mukund Apte
> __________________________________________________________

> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:49 AM, Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dr. Vijaya Rajiva,
>
> I was watching this particular interview live on my computer. I tend
> to agree with your sentiment related to
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[Trishool]

Lal Gehi Ji, There is no question of slinging mud on the Hindu religion and its traditions. The discussion is about modernity of a nation as against its  backwardness.  'Sati' was a social and economic problem and a quick solution to fix it. It existed in some Samajs in India but was a ghastly practise just the same.  Regards Devinder 

Devender ji, 

I have proved it to you, from Hindu scriptures, that Sati Pratha is NOT a Hindu culture, nor Hindu tradition. 

It existed mostly among Rajputs, where men died in wars, and fanatic, sex maniac, Muslim kings used to rape, helpless women, to save their honor and dignity, Rajput Hindu women preferred to die with their husbands. This has nothing to do with Hindu religion or Hindu community.

Regards, 

Tr.    

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Lal Gehi Ji, There is no question of slinging mud on the Hindu religion and its traditions. The discussion is about modernity of a nation as against its  backwardness.  'Sati' was a social and economic problem and a quick solution to fix it. It existed in some Samajs in India but was a ghastly practise just the same.  Regards Devinder

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 by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has been in existence for the past say fifty odd years. 

Thakur Sahib, 

If you are a Hindu, you must know, that :

You are talking about social evils. 

THE SOCIAL EVILS ARE NOT HINDU TEACHINGS, NOR HINDU TRADITIONS, AND HINDU CULTURE.  

1. When Raja Dashrath dies, none of his queen performs Sati Pratha. 

2. In Mahabharata, war, many Hindu soldiers died, but there is no example of Sati Prath, there also. 

3. I am sure, ( If you are a Hindu ), you must know, that Sati pratha is legally banned in India, since British rule.  

Please stop spreading mud on Hindu traditions.

Tr.     

[bhagwat goel]

Mr Thakur:

   

                            Limited knowledge full of biases is a dangerous thing. EVEN TODAY YOU APPEAR TO BE UNDER THE SPELL OF WHITE SKIN.

 

Bhagwat Goel

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Mr Kumar Arun, Sometime last year you announced your arrival by uttering words to the effect that you have not joined this link to waste your time but  do or say something purposeful.for our motherland.and its inhabitants..   I saw some light of a shinning star on the horizon. But very soon you were talking the same language that every one else.was using i.e our past greatness, our rich history and our ancient Vedic culture.and so on.

 

 India may be an old culture and its inhabitants may be the most civilised people but it is only a young nation, born in 1947.. Since then this young nation has been  searching for an identity for itself. Should it be a modern and progressive nation, playing its useful part in the comity of nations, in the field of education, science and technology or should it be a nation looking backwards, basking in its past glory and .moving towards its cherished goal of adopting Vedic life style. Unless and Until we have solved this dilemma,we as a nation do not know whether we are coming. or going. 

 

A modern mindset is one that emerges from enlightenment.by modern knowledge.  How much  our enlightenedd mind has changed is evident from the shocking findings of a recent Unicef survey which discovered 57 per cent of adolescent boys and 53 per cent of adolescent girls in India believe husbands have the "right" to beat their wives. Many of our people or the regions which did not experience the "Enlightenment" of modernity have acquired a gloss of modern minds but stuck in feudal, superstitious past. The social, cultural or even political behaviour, we exhibit a medieval minset.with modern day trappings.A foreign ruler had to legislate against the most evil social practise that we adopted to solve the social and economic problem of a woman who had lost her bread winner , by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has been in existence for the past say fifty odd years. The people in India still illegally use ultrasonography to facilitate female foeticide. astrologers  still fix marriages through caste and planetary calculations , though often using computers . Elections are based wholly on caste , community and religion.

 

We can not simply legislate modernity in our existence when half of us are not sure whether we want to be modern or not. It would be even more difficult to do so in India where the wheels of justice often take decades to start turning. We elect politicians with dubious credentials and hope that they will become modern day saints when in power. 

 

We can only hope that our much vaunted "soft power" i.e our "bhel puri" and "gol guppa" culture together with the knoweldge based communication tools  will yank our people's minds and attitudes to the 21st cetruy thinking". Regards Devinder Thakur  

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Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India

will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us

a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in

India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'

larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion

A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 

If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 

biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At

one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!

I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely

interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.

Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.

This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.

This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 

Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

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I meant, I agree. Butthat does not change the situation. So is not of any help...

Ravindra Koul

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Kumar Ji, Thanks for giving us the historic perspective to the women dying with or after their vanqueshed husbands death. You will agree that there is some difference between a voluntary jumping in the fire (pyre) to save the honour and virtue as against an act brought about by a collective persuasion and then declaring the dead woman a "Sati".In the modern day law, it will be regarded as culpable homicide. Regards Devinder Thankur 

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Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2012, 7:01
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Mythologically, Sathi was practised when the widows jumped on to the burning pyre due to inseparable attachment and devotion to "Pathi" or husband and these women were Pathivrata-s, who believed to be with their husbands in life and death.

 

Historically, the practice of Sati started with Muslim invasion of India when several widows had no alternative but to burn themselves to avoid being "touched" by the abhorrent Muslim invaders- abhorrent to Hindu-s they being beef eaters and treat women like animals for their pleasure.

 

Have you ever analysed why Sathi has been practised only in Rajasthan and contiguous parts in Haryana, Madhya Pradesh and northern parts of Gujarat? Why is that Sathi has never been practised in the Southern peninsula? This has never been a "Hindu custom" which otherwise would have been observed all over India!!

 

The brunt of Islamic attacks and plunders, rapes of women was born by border States like Punjab and Rajasthan and the Rajastani women esp. widowed during the wars with Muslims often resorted to "Jauhar" or burning themselves in groups tpo avoid getting caught by Muslims.

 

It is a different matter that the rulers of Rajasthan offered their women to Moghul rulers or Nawabs, more due to the force of circumstances as otherwise the horsemen with swords were ready to carry them away!!

 

To call Sathi a practice of Hinduism is absurd to to extrapolate the mythological stories to support this theory is still atrocious.

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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Why is asking questions become a mud slinging issue.It is easy to find excuses and blames but facts cannot be denied and covered under words like mud slinging or if you are Hindu???

It is true that bride burning is not our custom and culture in Hinduisms but like Sati of the past it has spread like proverbial wild fire. What is being done to end this.

Shadi

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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Lal Gehi Ji, There is no question of slinging mud on the Hindu religion and its traditions. The discussion is about modernity of a nation as against its  backwardness.  'Sati' was a social and economic problem and a quick solution to fix it. It existed in some Samajs in India but was a ghastly practise just the same.  Regards Devinder

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Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012, 17:48

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has been in existence for the past say fifty odd years. 

Thakur Sahib, 

If you are a Hindu, you must know, that :

You are talking about social evils. 

THE SOCIAL EVILS ARE NOT HINDU TEACHINGS, NOR HINDU TRADITIONS, AND HINDU CULTURE.  

1. When Raja Dashrath dies, none of his queen performs Sati Pratha. 

2. In Mahabharata, war, many Hindu soldiers died, but there is no example of Sati Prath, there also. 

3. I am sure, ( If you are a Hindu ), you must know, that Sati pratha is legally banned in India, since British rule.  

Please stop spreading mud on Hindu traditions.

Tr.     

[satbir singh]

I agree with Arun and Trishool but Sikhs, Jains and Indian Buddhists would form part of Hindus.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

I am not sure 80% Hindus are with us?
Ravindra Koul
अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ:
स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे
शिव: करोतु निजया नम:
शक्त्या ततात्मने

On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:30 PM, Trishool wrote:

> I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji,
>
> 80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15%
> Muslims or others. Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in
> the home of Hindus.
>
> Tr.
>

> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:00:54 -0700
> From: lalh...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>
> The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system,
> and that cannot be allowed.
> One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.
>
> jai sri krishna!
> -sv
>
> LESS THAN 15 % MUSLIMS, IN INDIA, SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO IMPOSE
> THEIR
> SHARIA LAW. WHERE IS THE VOICE AND CHOICE OF 80% HINDU COMMUNITY,
> AND LEADERS ?!
>
> Tr.
>

> From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
> As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the
> constitution that are anti-Vedic.
>
> Next thing is to draft amendments.
>
> Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments
> approved.
>
> Next is to enforce that constitution.
>
> Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
> But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the
> Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.
>
> Other things can be done later after the above things.
>
> There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
> The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system,
> and that cannot be allowed.
> One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.
>
> jai sri krishna!
> -sv
>
> __________________________________________________________

> From: devinde...@btopenworld.com
> <devinde...@btopenworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr.
> Vijaya Rajiva
> Date: Friday, 13 April, 2012, 3:09 PM
>
>
> Dear Sir. Many people confuse a theological State with Theocratic
> State. I used the word theological to explain what
> our friend Sh. Kumar Arun Ji has described as the "Hindu-Vedic way
> of life". Put simply a theological State would be
> the one in which the saints and sages would take interest in the
> affairs of the state and where the emphasis would be
> on personal piety and spiritualism.
>
> A theocratic State on the other hand is the one which becomes God's
> kingdom and many Muslim and countries,
> for example, rule their people in the name of their God.
>
> I hope this would remove the confusion. Regards Devinder Thakur
> ----------------------------------------------------------

> From: Mukund Apte <mda...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, 13 April 2012, 3:12
> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr.
> Vijaya Rajiva
>
>
> Dear Sir,
> Can you pleae clarify your terminology 'a Hindu theologocal
> State'? What is the so 'exclusive' theology of Hindus, so that when
> somebody disregards the 'exclusive principle' in it, he is punished?
> Any example (even from ancient times) may clarify the term to at
> least some extent, I feel. I was under impression that this
> theological State was the haven only of 'exclusive Religions. That
> is the
> purpose I am asking this.
>
> With regards to all,
> -------Mukund Apte
> ----------------------------------------------------------

> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:40 PM, <devinde...@btopenworld.com>
> wrote:
>
> Whatever Barkha Dutt's background, one thing is sure that if and
> when India becomes a Hindu state, she
> will meet the same fate as that of M F Hussain. the artist. He for
> denigrating the Hindu deities and she for
> being against the "Vedic culture of India and its inhabitant Hindus"
>
> As far as Tavleen Singh is concerned, she is bound to meet the same
> fate as Barkha and would have to seek
> asylum in say Khalistan which is bound to follow as soon as India is
> declared a Hindu theological state.
>
> By the way, although I watched the programme which has given rise to
> this discussion,and I am aware
> that Tavleen Singh mumbles a lot, could some one please state what
> is it that Tavleen Singh has actually said
> that has caused an offence to the Hindus at large.
>
> Needless to say that Ram and his Mandir in Ayodhya has been used a
> lot in order to win elections
> until Sushma Swaraj,the leader of the opposition, one day declared
> that the issue of Ram and/or his Mandir
> was a cheque that has long been cashed.
> ----------------------------------------------------------

> From: devinde...@btopenworld.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:08:55 +0100
> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr.
> Vijaya Rajiva
> Tavleen Singh is a professional journalist. She took on the Mullahs
> in Deoband for the absence of
> any Fatwas against
> Islamic terror and the terrorists.
>
> I think she was quite justified in saying that some Hindu leader of
> party would use the name of Lord Ram
> to win an election. She did not denigrate Lord Ram but showed up the
> politicians.Let us face it.
> ----------------------------------------------------------

> From: Mukesh Varma <mukes...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012, 7:06
> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr.
> Vijaya Rajiva
>
> We are looking at only one side of Tavleen Singh. Before this "Ram
> worship" controversy sprang up she has been known to be a sworn
> enemy of Sonia Gandhi. She has always been referring to Sonia as
> "that thin lady from Turin ".
>
> -- Mukesh Varma
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>

> From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr.
> Vijaya Rajiva
> Date: Thursday, 12 April, 2012, 11:09 AM
>
> Tavleen SIngh's genes are mixed with the assassinated Governor
> Salman Taseer of Pakistan with whom she had week long fling and
> physical relations in 1980, that she got a son Aatish through him,
> who is a freelance journalist based in U.K.
>
> How could you expect Tavleen infatuated and having had a son through
> a Muslim, expect to speak in favour of Hindu-s? She should have
> changed her name to Tasleem rather than continuing as Tavleen, a
> curse for Hindu-s who are tolerant to the extreme to bear such non-
> sense, who otherwise would hav been killed if she had spoken
> anything against Islam.
>
> ......Salmaan Taseer had a son, Aatish, in 1980 with Indian
> journalist Tavleen Singh. Though married at the time, Taseer met
> Singh during a book promotion trip to India in March 1980. According
> to Aatish, their "affair lasted little more than a week." Aatish is
> a freelance journalist in the UK and has recently written a book –
> Stranger to History: A Son’s Journey through Islamic Lands –
> about his estranged relationship with his father.
> __________________________________________________________

> From: Mukund Apte <mda...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] 'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama' -- Dr.
> Vijaya Rajiva
>
>
> Dear Sir,
> Your hope that the anchor should have cooled the environment
> (of the discussion) is OK, But I we know Barkhajee do
> you any confirmation (even in mind) that she would have done
> so?
>
> With regards to all,
>
> Mukund Apte
> __________________________________________________________

> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:49 AM, Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dr. Vijaya Rajiva,
>
> I was watching this particular interview live on my computer. I tend
> to agree with your sentiment related to
> Tavleen Singh's verbal as well as body attitude during the debate on
> NDTV. However, I would blame Barkha
> Dutt, the host to let Tavleen get away with such statement. It is
> the job of the anchor to be impartial &fair who
> do not underestimate and must foresee the hurt of majority Hindu in
> India and abroad. Unfortunately, most of

> the anchors sitting on popular media, are paid agent of Sonia-
> Manmohan-Rahul regime.
> Kumar Arun
> __________________________________________________________

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[devinde...@btopenworld.com]

Bhagwat Ji, I thank you for your very profound and informed comment. Regards Devinder Thakur

[devinde...@btopenworld.com]

Lal Gehi Ji, There is no question of slinging mud on the Hindu religion and its traditions. The discussion is about modernity of a nation as against its  backwardness.  'Sati' was a social and economic problem and a quick solution to fix it. It existed in some Samajs in India but was a ghastly practise just the same.  Regards Devinder

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Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has been in existence for the past say fifty odd years. 

Thakur Sahib, 

If you are a Hindu, you must know, that :

You are talking about social evils. 

THE SOCIAL EVILS ARE NOT HINDU TEACHINGS, NOR HINDU TRADITIONS, AND HINDU CULTURE.  

1. When Raja Dashrath dies, none of his queen performs Sati Pratha. 

2. In Mahabharata, war, many Hindu soldiers died, but there is no example of Sati Prath, there also. 

3. I am sure, ( If you are a Hindu ), you must know, that Sati pratha is legally banned in India, since British rule.  

Please stop spreading mud on Hindu traditions.

Tr.     

[satbir singh]

The atrocities against women are in all religions.  I am reminded of Sahir's poem "Aurat Ne Janam Diya Mardon Ko, Mardon Ne Use Bazaar Diya.  Jab Ji Chaha Masla Kuchla Jab Ji Chaha Dutkar Diya. Tulti Hai Kahin Dinaron Mein (which indicates the fate of Muslim women who are sold as slaves in the markets of Arab countries and Turk countries), Bikti hai Kahin Bazaaron Mein (This is true of India and applies to both Hindu and Muslim women), Nangi Nachwai Jaati Hai Ayyashon Ke Darbaron Mein (This was happening in both Muslim countries and under Sikh and Hindu Rulers, Maharaja of Patiala used to make women dance naked),  Even European women were not free from Slave Trade.  They were traded in the markets of Arab countries and Turk countries.  Although all religions were guilty in this regard yet it was the Muslims who mainly indulged in slave trade.  Women's life was made miserable because she was physically weak and moreover, it was she who could be raped easily while man could practically not be raped.  So, in a way, nature is responsible for women's miseries because it created them that way.  However, it was men like Ibsen and Bernard Shaw who made women fight for greater freedom.  Raja Ram Mohan Roy also fought on behalf of the women.  Then of course, there were women like Rani Laxmi Bai of Jhansi who urged the women to fight like men.  So, this Sati Business and Bride Burning business would end when women become brave enough to fight with men.  The initiative rests with women.  They must take up weapons to fight the men.  By the way, it is religion which makes the women timid.  So, the best course for women is to become atheist like me and fight for their rights with men by learning techniques like Judo, Karate, etc.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

 

 

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Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Bhagwat Ji, I thank you for your very profound and informed comment. Regards Devinder Thakur

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>Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2012, 7:08
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>
>Mr Thakur:
>   
>                            Limited knowledge full of biases is a dangerous thing. EVEN TODAY YOU APPEAR TO BE UNDER THE SPELL OF WHITE SKIN.
> 
>Bhagwat Goel
>
>
>

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<mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Shadi Katyal(UK) <shadi...@yahoo.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com>; Satish Dewan (Colonel) <cold...@gmail.com>
>Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012 9:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
> 
>
>Mr Kumar Arun, Sometime last year you announced your arrival by uttering words to the effect that you have not joined this link to waste your time but  do or say something purposeful.for our motherland.and its inhabitants..   I saw some light of a shinning star on the horizon. But very soon you were talking the same language that every one else.was using i.e our past greatness, our rich history and our ancient Vedic culture.and so on.
> 
> India may be an old culture and its inhabitants may be the most civilised people but it is only a young nation, born in 1947.. Since then this young nation has been  searching for an identity for itself. Should it be a modern and progressive nation, playing its useful part in the comity of nations, in the field of education, science and technology or should it be a nation looking backwards, basking in its past glory and .moving towards its cherished goal of adopting Vedic life style. Unless and Until we have solved this dilemma,we as a nation do not know whether we are coming. or going. 
> 
>A modern mindset is one that emerges from enlightenment.by modern knowledge.  How much  our enlightenedd mind has changed is evident from the shocking findings of a recent Unicef survey which discovered 57 per cent of adolescent boys and 53 per cent of adolescent girls in India believe husbands have the "right" to beat their wives. Many of our people or the regions which did not experience the "Enlightenment" of modernity have acquired a gloss of modern minds but stuck in feudal, superstitious past. The social, cultural or even political behaviour, we exhibit a medieval minset.with modern day trappings.A foreign ruler had to legislate against the most evil social practise that we adopted to solve the social and economic problem of a woman who had lost her bread winner , by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry
expectations although the legislation has been in existence for the past say fifty odd years. The people in India still illegally use ultrasonography to facilitate female foeticide. astrologers  still fix marriages through caste and planetary calculations , though often using computers . Elections are based wholly on caste , community and religion.
> 
>We can not simply legislate modernity in our existence when half of us are not sure whether we want to be modern or not. It would be even more difficult to do so in India where the wheels of justice often take decades to start turning. We elect politicians with dubious credentials and hope that they will become modern day saints when in power. 
> 
>We can only hope that our much vaunted "soft power" i.e our "bhel puri" and "gol guppa" culture together with the knoweldge based communication tools  will yank our people's minds and attitudes to the 21st cetruy thinking". Regards Devinder Thakur  
>
>
>
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>

>________________________________

>
>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com; Stopcorruption group(worldwide) <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>;
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> 
>>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
>>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us
>>
>>a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in
>>
>>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
>>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
>>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 
>>
>>
>>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
>>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
>>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!
>>
>>
>>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
>>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
>>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
>>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
>>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
>>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?
>>
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>Kumar Arun
>>
>>

>>________________________________

>>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?  
>>             9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.
>> 
>>           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.
>>__________________________________________________________

>>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com
>>>Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?
>>>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000
>>>
>>>Dear Fellow Patriots of India,
>>>I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined 
>>>for a constructive discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject,
>>>we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to
>>>stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you.
>>>
>>>
>>>Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help
>>>but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent
>>>majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have
>>>been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for
>>>me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean BJP or get out to form a separate establishment.
>>>The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince
>>>a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from
>>>civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate
>>>for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below:
>>>
>>>
>>>Respectfully,
>>>Dr. Kumar Arun
>>>Michigan (USA)
>>>April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST
>>>__________________________________________________________

>>>From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.
>>>
>>>Next thing is to draft amendments.
>>>
>>>Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.
>>>
>>>Next is to enforce that constitution.
>>>
>>>Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
>>>But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.
>>>
>>>Other things can be done later after the above things.
>>>
>>>There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
>>>The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
>>>One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.
>>>
>>>jai sri krishna!
>>>-sv
>>>__________________________________________________________

>>>On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON 
>>>>SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND 
>>>>PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Bhagwat Goel
>>>>__________________________________________________________

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It appears that you feel that the retired military personnels should be requested to sweep the MP's occupying Delhi. But how? In the ordinary course do you think, these rogue politicians will give up the reign easily? If it is through voting and elections same scenerio  will beseen. Unless we change the mind-set of the people it will not be possible; moreover I think Baba Ramdevji is doing the same silently in the sense he is not given proper exposure by the media for obvious reasons. If you want revolution to come peacefully without violence, we must support Baba Ramdevji.   V. S. Sardesai YES, I SUPPORT BABA RAMDEV JI,  HE IS AN HONEST SINCERE SON OF BHARAT, WHICH, CORRUPT LEADERS OF POLITICAL PARTIES, DON'T LIKE. HONEST PEOPLE LIKE KIRAN BEDI JI, AND ANNA JI, ARE ALSO SINCERE SONS / DAUGHTERS OF BHARAT.  WE NEED SINCERE LEADERS IN BHARAT. NOT BLEEDERS OF BHARAT MATA.! KICK OUT SELFISH, CORRUPT, POWER HUNGRY, BLEEDERS OF BHARAT. WE DO NOT WANT TO NURSE TRAITORS, / SNAKES,  ON THE BLESSED BREAST OF BHARAT MATA.   Har Har Mahadev Tr.

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From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>
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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:56 AM

Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

It appears that you feel that the retired military personnels should be requested to sweep the MP's occupying Delhi. But how? In the ordinary course do you think, these rogue politicians will give up the reign easily? If it is through voting and elections same scenerio  will beseen. Unless we change the mind-set of the people it will not be possible; moreover I think Baba Ramdevji is doing the same silently in the sense he is not given proper exposure by the media for obvious reasons. If you want revolution to come peacefully without violence, we must support Baba Ramdevji.   V. S. Sardesai --- On Sat, 28/4/12, Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

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From: vasant_...@yahoo.co.in Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:28:34 +0800 Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

You are right; in Mahabharata only the second wife of Pandu, Madri went Sati while his first wife lived as widow. So also in the history of Peshwas only Ramabai, the young wife of the great Madhavrao Peshwe went Sati with the dead body of her husband even though her mother-in-law was still living a widowed life. The reasons for the practice of Sati in north India may be to avoid the atrocities of Muslims as was the case of Jowhar.   V. S. Sardesai   ______________________________________________________________________________

From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Date: Saturday, 28 April, 2012, 11:31 AM

Mythologically, Sathi was practised when the widows jumped on to the burning pyre due to inseparable attachment and devotion to "Pathi" or husband and these women were Pathivrata-s, who believed to be with their husbands in life and death.   Historically, the practice of Sati started with Muslim invasion of India when several widows had no alternative but to burn themselves to avoid being "touched" by the abhorrent Muslim invaders- abhorrent to Hindu-s they being beef eaters and treat women like animals for their pleasure.   Have you ever analysed why Sathi has been practised only in Rajasthan and contiguous parts in Haryana, Madhya Pradesh and northern parts of Gujarat? Why is that Sathi has never been practised in the Southern peninsula? This has never been a "Hindu custom" which otherwise would have been observed all over India!!   The brunt of Islamic attacks and plunders, rapes of women was born by border States like Punjab and Rajasthan and the Rajastani women esp. widowed during the wars with Muslims often resorted to "Jauhar" or burning themselves in groups tpo avoid getting caught by Muslims.   It is a different matter that the rulers of Rajasthan offered their women to Moghul rulers or Nawabs, more due to the force of circumstances as otherwise the horsemen with swords were ready to carry them away!!   To call Sathi a practice of Hinduism is absurd to to extrapolate the mythological stories to support this theory is still atrocious.

From: shadi katyalsearch <shadi...@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Why is asking questions become a mud slinging issue.It is easy to find excuses and blames but facts cannot be denied and covered  under words like mud slinging or if you are Hindu??? It is true that bride burning is not our custom and culture in Hinduisms but like Sati of the past it has spread like proverbial wild fire.  What is being done to end this. Shadi

From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Lal Gehi Ji, There is no question of slinging mud on the Hindu religion and its traditions. The discussion is about modernity  of a nation as against its  backwardness.  'Sati' was a social and economic problem and a quick solution to fix it. It existed in  some Samajs in India but was a ghastly practise just the same.   Regards Devinder

From: Trishool <lalh...@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012, 17:48

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by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati"  We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has been  in existence for the past say fifty odd years.

Thakur Sahib,  If you are a Hindu, you must know, that : You are talking about social evils.  THE SOCIAL EVILS ARE NOT HINDU TEACHINGS, NOR HINDU TRADITIONS, AND HINDU CULTURE.   1. When Raja Dashrath dies, none of his queen performs Sati Pratha.  2. In Mahabharata, war, many Hindu soldiers died, but there is no example of Sati Prath, there also.  3. I am sure, ( If you are a Hindu ), you must know, that Sati pratha is legally banned in India, since  British rule.   Please stop spreading mud on Hindu traditions. Tr.

From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:04 AM

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Mr Kumar Arun, Sometime last year you announced your arrival by uttering words to the effect that you have not joined this link to waste your time but  do or say something purposeful.for our motherland.and its inhabitants..   I saw some light of a shinning star on the horizon. But very soon you were talking the same language that every one else.was using i.e our past greatness, our rich history and our ancient Vedic culture.and so on.    India may be an old culture and its inhabitants may be the most civilised people but it is only a young nation, born in 1947.. Since then this young nation has been  searching for an identity for itself. Should it be a modern and progressive nation, playing its useful part in the comity of nations, in the field of education, science and technology or should it be a nation looking backwards, basking in its past glory and .moving towards its cherished goal of adopting Vedic life style. Unless and Until we have solved this dilemma,we as a nation do not know whether we are coming. or going.    A modern mindset is one that emerges from enlightenment.by modern knowledge.  How much  our enlightenedd mind has changed is evident from the shocking findings of a recent Unicef survey which discovered 57 per cent of adolescent boys and 53 per cent of adolescent girls in India believe husbands have the "right" to beat their wives. Many of our people or the regions which did not experience the "Enlightenment" of modernity have acquired a gloss of modern minds but stuck in feudal, superstitious past. The social, cultural or even political behaviour, we exhibit a medieval minset.with modern day trappings.A foreign ruler had to legislate against the most evil social practise that we adopted to solve the social and economic problem of a woman who had lost her bread winner , by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has been in existence for the past say fifty odd years. The people in India still illegally use ultrasonography to facilitate female foeticide. astrologers  still fix marriages through caste and planetary calculations , though often using computers . Elections are based wholly on caste , community and religion.   We can not simply legislate modernity in our existence when half of us are not sure whether we want to be modern or not. It would be even more difficult to do so in India where the wheels of justice often take decades to start turning. We elect politicians with dubious credentials and hope that they will become modern day saints when in power.    We can only hope that our much vaunted "soft power" i.e our "bhel puri" and "gol guppa" culture together with the knoweldge based communication tools  will yank our people's minds and attitudes to the 21st cetruy thinking".  Regards Devinder Thakur

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>   Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012, 13:48  Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of' larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive.  If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being  biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure! I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way. Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted. This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice. This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable.  Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please? Respectfully, Kumar Arun

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From: devinde...@btopenworld.com  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100

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9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.              10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.

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From: grd_...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700 Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . . 1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free. 2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police. 3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%. 4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those      with 90% get out because of merit. 5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money      to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a      poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day. 6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that      we eat, are sold on the footpath. 7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous. 8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges      alone take several years to be completed. _____________________________________________________________________________________

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Shri Bhagwat ji, Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest, willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up. I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India.  The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired  military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to  receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum necessary cost for running the campaign. I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However, when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them  or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and  many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question. Respectfully, Kumar Arun _______________________________________________________________________________________

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800 From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in

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Namaskar!                                 I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad.  IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF  MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM  THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial  appointee, PM must drop him.   This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.   Bhagwat Goel __________________________________________________________________________

Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700 From: lalh...@yahoo.com

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I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji,  80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others.  Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus.  Tr.

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

To All Participants; We must keep our thoughts alive and alert that no matter how we plan to achieve our goal to take back British created  India towards the The Vedic Bharat, the philosophy of Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Budhism, Jainisim, and several others will have to be adjusted in new Bharat (Hindu Rashtra). One must not assume and express that Hindu Rashtra means exclusion of all people who believe in faith other than Sanatan Dharma. My vision is simple, all other religion will exist  under the Hindu Rashtra and they will have freedom to practice their faith only but they should not have any reservation  in schools, jobs & politics, etc,. The criteria for reservation will be determined based only on  economic ground. The so called minority will have no choice but to follow the The Vedic traditions that would be embedded in the new constitution  of Bharat. I will be very grateful if you please send your comments on this issues also. Respectfully, Dr. Kumar Arun India Heritage Foundation Michigan (USA) PS: Please scroll down to read some of my thoughts that was expressed before which you may not have read it. Thanks.

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From: kuma...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ? Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000 Dear Fellow Patriots of India, I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined  for a constructive discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject, we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you. Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean BJP or get out to form a separate establishment. The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below: Respectfully, Dr. Kumar Arun Michigan (USA) April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST

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From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic. Next thing is to draft amendments. Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved. Next is to enforce that constitution. Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom. But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world. Other things can be done later after the above things. There should not be two separate law systems in one country. The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed. One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics. jai sri krishna! -sv

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On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON  SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND  PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES. Bhagwat Goel

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Mr Kumar Arun, Thanks for circulating the various comments that you have received in response to your call for our honest opinion and also your expressed desire to devote the rest of your life to the service of our mother country we all love. The cyber nation of Hindus is unanimous in recognising you as their leader  who will show us the kindly light towards the betterment of our country and the welfare of atits people. You have however declined a suggestion to move to India. Then please do tell us how is it that you are going to serve Bharat for the rest of your life.from Michigan. USA 

 

I think the time has come that you issue a blue print of what is it that you wish us to do next and what is your agenda. You want to change the constitution but do not specifically say what is it that you want to change  and what is it that you want in its place. You want the present political dispensation removed because they are in your opinion "traitors" but do not say who will replace them. You did however, indicate that you would prefer some retired army personnel  to take up the positions vacated by the so called "traitors  because they are disciplined but hopefully, you do not recommend a military take over of the country.  Also please tell us how do you propose to ensure that the disciplined  army personnel will all be honest.and above board and will deliver the kind of leadership that we need. Also please tell us what role do you see for India within the international community or do you see us develop in isolation??

 

Regards

Devinder Thakur. 

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Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012, 1:17
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Dear Ladies & Gentleman,

Please stay focussed on the subject and it's related issues which is to sweep the traitors (most MPs) in Delhi.

We must find a way to defeat Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul regime. I am willing to devote rest of my life in working

on the project I have laid down before each one of you to ponder and advise. I am looking for your honest

opinion, and if you agree then your full support. In the end of the day, it is your prerogative and deep desire

that will bring any change in the present system. We all love our country, spend many hours thinking about the

corrupts who are taking our nation & it's culture to slippery down fall, we must change the course of direction.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun  

From: shadi...@yahoo.comDate: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:12:17 -0700Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?  

Kumar ji,

We are all aware that such custom was always there and one can admit or omit that it was because of Love for the man but we forget that these Maharajas had number of wives and why only one was asked/persuaded  to do so.

Vasant ji has give an example of Maharbharta and thus since we don't have any historical record, it might had been a tradition. It was mostly in Rajsthan and not in Punjab where the marauders came first.

Since we have no written history and only know of post Muslim era we can find the escape clause. Well it is amoot question though recently some cases in Rajstahan had been reported.

We can call it an exploitation of Hindu sanstha but truth cannot be swept under the rug.

We have now dowry burning and fetus abortions of girls and this another social black mark on our society. One does not hear such abortions or bride burning in other nation.

Yes in Islam or Muslims do have honour killings and it is not only in our continent but all over the brotherhood. We hve seen recently such killings even in Europe and USA. Maybe being stuck in 1400 years back and firm beleifs in Mullah or Imam, they are scared of a fatwa and nice way to keep them under control

Shadi

From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:01 AM
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Mythologically, Sathi was practised when the widows jumped on to the burning pyre due to inseparable attachment and devotion to "Pathi" or husband and these women were Pathivrata-s, who believed to be with their husbands in life and death.

 

Historically, the practice of Sati started with Muslim invasion of India when several widows had no alternative but to burn themselves to avoid being "touched" by the abhorrent Muslim invaders- abhorrent to Hindu-s they being beef eaters and treat women like animals for their pleasure.

 

Have you ever analysed why Sathi has been practised only in Rajasthan and contiguous parts in Haryana, Madhya Pradesh and northern parts of Gujarat? Why is that Sathi has never been practised in the Southern peninsula? This has never been a "Hindu custom" which otherwise would have been observed all over India!!

 

The brunt of Islamic attacks and plunders, rapes of women was born by border States like Punjab and Rajasthan and the Rajastani women esp. widowed during the wars with Muslims often resorted to "Jauhar" or burning themselves in groups tpo avoid getting caught by Muslims.

 

It is a different matter that the rulers of Rajasthan offered their women to Moghul rulers or Nawabs, more due to the force of circumstances as otherwise the horsemen with swords were ready to carry them away!!

 

To call Sathi a practice of Hinduism is absurd to to extrapolate the mythological stories to support this theory is still atrocious.

From: shadi katyalsearch <shadi...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:25 AM
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Why is asking questions become a mud slinging issue.It is easy to find excuses and blames but facts cannot be denied and covered 

under words like mud slinging or if you are Hindu???

It is true that bride burning is not our custom and culture in Hinduisms but like Sati of the past it has spread like proverbial wild fire. 

What is being done to end this.

Shadi

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From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com> 
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:18 PM

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Lal Gehi Ji, There is no question of slinging mud on the Hindu religion and its traditions. The discussion is about 

modernity of a nation as against its  backwardness.  'Sati' was a social and economic problem and a quick solution 

to fix it. It existed in some Samajs in India but was a ghastly practise just the same.  Regards Devinder

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From: Trishool <lalh...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012, 17:48
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

By persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" 

We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has 

been in existence for the past say fifty odd years. 

Thakur Sahib, 

If you are a Hindu, you must know, that :

You are talking about social evils. 

THE SOCIAL EVILS ARE NOT HINDU TEACHINGS, NOR HINDU TRADITIONS, AND HINDU CULTURE.  

1. When Raja Dashrath dies, none of his queen performs Sati Pratha. 

2. In Mahabharata, war, many Hindu soldiers died, but there is no example of Sati Prath, there also. 

3. I am sure, ( If you are a Hindu ), you must know, that Sati pratha is legally banned in India, since British rule.  

Please stop spreading mud on Hindu traditions.

Tr.     

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From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com>

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:04 AM
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Mr Kumar Arun, Sometime last year you announced your arrival by uttering words to the effect that you have not joined this link to waste your time but  do or say something purposeful.for our motherland.and its inhabitants..   I saw some light of a shinning star on the horizon. But very soon you were talking the same language that every one else.was using i.e our past greatness, our rich history and our ancient Vedic culture.and so on.

 

 India may be an old culture and its inhabitants may be the most civilised people but it is only a young nation, born in 1947.. Since then this young nation has been  searching for an identity for itself. Should it be a modern and progressive nation, playing its useful part in the comity of nations, in the field of education, science and technology or should it be a nation looking backwards, basking in its past glory and .moving towards its cherished goal of adopting Vedic life style. Unless and Until we have solved this dilemma,we as a nation do not know whether we are coming. or going. 

 

A modern mindset is one that emerges from enlightenment.by modern knowledge.  How much  our enlightenedd mind has changed is evident from the shocking findings of a recent Unicef survey which discovered 57 per cent of adolescent boys and 53 per cent of adolescent girls in India believe husbands have the "right" to beat their wives. Many of our people or the regions which did not experience the "Enlightenment" of modernity have acquired a gloss of modern minds but stuck in feudal, superstitious past. The social, cultural or even political behaviour, we exhibit a medieval minset.with modern day trappings.A foreign ruler had to legislate against the most evil social practise that we adopted to solve the social and economic problem of a woman who had lost her bread winner , by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has been in existence for the past say fifty odd years. The people in India still illegally use ultrasonography to facilitate female foeticide. astrologers  still fix marriages through caste and planetary calculations , though often using computers . Elections are based wholly on caste , community and religion.

 

We can not simply legislate modernity in our existence when half of us are not sure whether we want to be modern or not. It would be even more difficult to do so in India where the wheels of justice often take decades to start turning. We elect politicians with dubious credentials and hope that they will become modern day saints when in power. 

 

We can only hope that our much vaunted "soft power" i.e our "bhel puri" and "gol guppa" culture together with the knoweldge based communication tools  will yank our people's minds and attitudes to the 21st cetruy thinking". Regards Devinder Thakur

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> 

Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012, 13:48 

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Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India

will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us

a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in

India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'

larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion

A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 

If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 

biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At

one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!

I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely

interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.

Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.

This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.

This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 

Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

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Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,

 

I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.

 

Regards,

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM
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Dear Vasant ji:

How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?

 

With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   

 

Hari OM

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To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stopcorruption Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM
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You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.   V. S. Sardesai

--- On Fri, 27/4/12, Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

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Dear Shri Durgashankar ji, I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position within government.  If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received,  not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas? The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India? I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience.  Regards, Kumar Arun ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700From: nag...@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Kumar ji: True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from  a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages,  with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said,  "India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own  comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow  humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future generation.    So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote  to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".    YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks.  With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS      Hari OM The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.

From: kuma...@hotmail.comDate: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views  as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please? Best regards, Kumar Arun

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji,  We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can.  We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that  our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country. God bless Bharat Tr.

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM

Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Shri Lal Gehi ji, A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.

I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 years ago and that will make more sense. Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.

Kumar Arun Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM

Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of' larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive.  If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being  biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure! I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way. Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted. This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice. This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable.  Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please? Respectfully, Kumar Arun

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[satbir singh]

Kumar ji,

 

I agree with you but I am awaiting a reaction from Arunji.  He, I hope, would surely respond.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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Satbirji!!
No elected Govt. would agree to declare India s a Hindu State due to our democratic process and Hindu-s divided into different sects and groups from Brahmins to Valmiki-s, the Politicians interested in perpetuating and augmenting the differences so that Hindu votes would remain split.
Moreoever, among Hindu-s there are many traitors working against Hinduism for personal gains., and this has been the main reasons why India was under foreign occupation subjugating Hindu-s for Centuries.
A ray of hope is Swami Ramdev, whose movement has millions as followers and if he forms a Political Party with main intention to remove Congress and Corruption and bring back the stashed funds abroad, perhaps the support base would be substantial and Congress could be defeated as it has happened in UP. We could not blame NDA fo non-fulfilment of the BJP agenda-s as there was sti\ff opposition from other constituents on Ram Mandir and other Hindu issues and we had the traitor Brajesh Misra dictating and implementing policies supporting SOnia throughout NDA period.
Anna Hazare is dilly dallying for supporting Baba Ramdev and he does not want to lose his secular image projected earlier. Now, Ramdev has declared that he would allow Sadhvi Rithambra to share the stage and we dpo not know the Ramdev-Anna rift whether it would widen.
We should all strive to prepare a Manifesto for the Hindu Party- to force BJP to adopt as restoration of all temple properties to the temples as at the time of partition and also restoration of management of temples to the Religious trusts managed by Hindu-s with no interference by Govt. Thousands of Crores of Rs. are looted annually by every State Govt. from Hindu Temples and diverted to fund Haj Travels, travel to Bethlehem, construction of mosques and Churches..etc. all these years.
Perhaps Arunji might also agree with me that a draft Election Manifesto might be jointly prepared and discussed in this group befoe finalisation and sent to RSS for adoption in the interests of Hindu-s and Swami Ramdev too would definitely support the same.
Sonia has several dossiers on BJP leaders up her sleeves and promptly uses them through CBI as we have seen the timing of Bangaru Lakshman's conviction in a matter of hours after Bofors issue was raised in the Parliament.

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From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,
 
I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs
who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.
 
Regards,
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Vasant ji:
How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?

With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
 

Hari OMThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.

 

From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>
To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stopcorruption Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.

V. S. Sardesai

--- On Fri, 27/4/12, Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>To: "Media monior(Yahoogroup)" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>, "Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia)" <lalh...@yahoo.com>, "Stopcorruption group(worldwide)" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>, "Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup)" <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>, satya...@googlegroups.com, "Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty)" <abhishek...@gmail.com>, ahven...@gmail.com, akd...@gmail.com, arish....@gmail.com, arsudh...@gmail.com, asho...@gmail.com, "Babu Suseelan(India)" <babusu...@hotmail.com>, b...@live.in, "Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar)" <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>, bhano...@gmail.com, "Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar)" <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>, brl...@gmail.com, chanda...@planmanconsulting.com, cit...@rediffmail.com, "Desi Yatra(googlegroup)" <desi...@googlegroups.com>, "Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar)" <divy...@rediffmail.com>, "Praveen Togadia(VHP)" <drto...@gmail.com>, fhrs...@yahoogroups.com, "Major
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>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM
>
>
> 
>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,
>
>
>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position within government. 
>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my
>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, 
>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?
>
>
>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least
>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?
>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. 
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>
>
>__________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700From: nag...@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>Dear Kumar ji:
>
>
>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from 
>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, 
>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, 
>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own 
>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow 
>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future generation.
>  
>
>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote 
>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   
>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. 
>
>
>
>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
> 

>Hari OMThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.

> 
>From: kuma...@hotmail.comDate: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 
>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for
>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 
>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?
>Best regards,
>Kumar Arun
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 
>
>
>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 
>We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 
>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.
>
>
>God bless Bharat
>
>
>Tr.   
>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Shri Lal Gehi ji,
>
>
>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.
>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready
>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 years ago and that will make more sense.
>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.
>Kumar Arun
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us
>
>a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in
>
>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 
>
>
>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!
>
>
>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?
>
>
>Respectfully,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>From: devinde...@btopenworld.comDate: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 
>             9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.
> 
>           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.
>__________________________________________________________

>>From: grd_...@yahoo.com
>>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700
>>Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India
>>
>>
>>
>>HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . .
>>
>>
>>
>>1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free.
>>
>>
>>2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police.
>>
>>
>>3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%.
>>
>>
>>4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those 
>>    with 90% get out because of merit.
>>
>>5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money 
>>    to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a 
>>    poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day.
>>
>>
>>6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that 
>>    we eat, are sold on the footpath.
>>
>>
>>7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous.
>>
>>
>>8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges 
>>    alone take several years to be completed.
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM
>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>> 
>>Shri Bhagwat ji,
>>
>>
>>Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest,
>>willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up.
>>
>>
>>
>>I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military
>>
>>back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will
>>be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India. 
>>
>>
>>The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired 
>>military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to 
>>receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even
>>crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum
>>necessary cost for running the campaign.
>>
>>
>>I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However,
>>when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night
>>for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them 
>>or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and 
>>many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question.
>>
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>Kumar Arun
>>__________________________________________________________

>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800
>>From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in
>>Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>Namaskar!
>> 
>>                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. 
>>IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF 
>>MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM 
>>THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial 
>>appointee, PM must drop him.
>> 
>>This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.
>> 
>>Bhagwat Goel
>>__________________________________________________________

>>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700
>>From: lalh...@yahoo.com
>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 
>>
>>
>>80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. 
>>Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 
>>
>>
>>Tr.   
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:03 PM
>>Subject: RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>
>>To All Participants;
>>
>>
>>We must keep our thoughts alive and alert that no matter how we plan to achieve our goal to take back British created 
>>India towards the The Vedic Bharat, the philosophy of Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Budhism, Jainisim, and several others
>>will have to be adjusted in new Bharat (Hindu Rashtra). One must not assume and express that Hindu Rashtra means
>>exclusion of all people who believe in faith other than Sanatan Dharma. My vision is simple, all other religion will exist 
>>under the Hindu Rashtra and they will have freedom to practice their faith only but they should not have any reservation 
>>in schools, jobs & politics, etc,. The criteria for reservation will be determined based only on  economic ground. The so
>>called minority will have no choice but to follow the The Vedic traditions that would be embedded in the new constitution 
>>of Bharat. I will be very grateful if you please send your comments on this issues also.
>>Respectfully,
>>Dr. Kumar Arun
>>India Heritage Foundation
>>Michigan (USA)
>>PS: Please scroll down to read some of my thoughts that was expressed before which you may not have read it. Thanks.
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com
>>Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?
>>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000
>>Dear Fellow Patriots of India,
>>I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined 
>>for a constructive discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject,
>>we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to
>>stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you.
>>
>>
>>Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help
>>but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent
>>majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have
>>been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for
>>me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean BJP or get out to form a separate establishment.
>>The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince
>>a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from
>>civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate
>>for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below:
>>
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>Dr. Kumar Arun
>>Michigan (USA)
>>April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>
>>As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.
>>
>>Next thing is to draft amendments.
>>
>>Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.
>>
>>Next is to enforce that constitution.
>>
>>Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
>>But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.
>>
>>Other things can be done later after the above things.
>>
>>There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
>>The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
>>One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.
>>
>>jai sri krishna!
>>-sv
>>__________________________________________________________

>>On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>
>>
>>I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON 
>>>SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND 
>>>PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bhagwat Goel
>>>__________________________________________________________

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[Trishool]

I fully agree with you, Kumar ji, 

Very good post. 

Regards. 

Tr. 

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From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:46 PM

Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Satbirji!!

No elected Govt. would agree to declare India s a Hindu State due to our democratic process and Hindu-s divided into different sects and groups from Brahmins to Valmiki-s, the Politicians interested in perpetuating and augmenting the differences so that Hindu votes would remain split.

Moreoever, among Hindu-s there are many traitors working against Hinduism for personal gains., and this has been the main reasons why India was under foreign occupation subjugating Hindu-s for Centuries.

A ray of hope is Swami Ramdev, whose movement has millions as followers and if he forms a Political Party with main intention to remove Congress and Corruption and bring back the stashed funds abroad, perhaps the support base would be substantial and Congress could be defeated as it has happened in UP. We could not blame NDA fo non-fulfilment of the BJP agenda-s as there was sti\ff opposition from other constituents on Ram Mandir and other Hindu issues and we had the traitor Brajesh Misra dictating and implementing policies supporting SOnia throughout NDA period.

Anna Hazare is dilly dallying for supporting Baba Ramdev and he does not want to lose his secular image projected earlier. Now, Ramdev has declared that he would allow Sadhvi Rithambra to share the stage and we dpo not know the Ramdev-Anna rift whether it would widen.

We should all strive to prepare a Manifesto for the Hindu Party- to force BJP to adopt as restoration of all temple properties to the temples as at the time of partition and also restoration of management of temples to the Religious trusts managed by Hindu-s with no interference by Govt. Thousands of Crores of Rs. are looted annually by every State Govt. from Hindu Temples and diverted to fund Haj Travels, travel to Bethlehem, construction of mosques and Churches..etc. all these years.

Perhaps Arunji might also agree with me that a draft Election Manifesto might be jointly prepared and discussed in this group befoe finalisation and sent to RSS for adoption in the interests of Hindu-s and Swami Ramdev too would definitely support the same.

Sonia has several dossiers on BJP leaders up her sleeves and promptly uses them through CBI as we have seen the timing of Bangaru Lakshman's conviction in a matter of hours after Bofors issue was raised in the Parliament.

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:22 AM

Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,
 
I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs
who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.
 
Regards,
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Vasant ji:
How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?

With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
 

Hari OMThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.

 

From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>
To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stopcorruption Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.

V. S. Sardesai

--- On Fri, 27/4/12, Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
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>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM
>
>
> 
>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,
>
>
>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position within government. 
>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my
>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, 
>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?
>
>
>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least
>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?
>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. 
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>
>
>__________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700From: nag...@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>Dear Kumar ji:
>
>
>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from 
>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, 
>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, 
>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own 
>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow 
>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future generation.
>  
>
>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote 
>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   
>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. 
>
>
>
>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
> 

>Hari OMThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.

> 
>From: kuma...@hotmail.comDate: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 
>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for
>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 
>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?
>Best regards,
>Kumar Arun
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 
>
>
>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 
>We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 
>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.
>
>
>God bless Bharat
>
>
>Tr.   
>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Shri Lal Gehi ji,
>
>
>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.
>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready
>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 years ago and that will make more sense.
>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.
>Kumar Arun
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us
>
>a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in
>
>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 
>
>
>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!
>
>
>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?
>
>
>Respectfully,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>From: devinde...@btopenworld.comDate: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 
>             9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.
> 
>           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.
>__________________________________________________________

>>From: grd_...@yahoo.com
>>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700
>>Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India
>>
>>
>>
>>HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . .
>>
>>
>>
>>1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free.
>>
>>
>>2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police.
>>
>>
>>3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%.
>>
>>
>>4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those 
>>    with 90% get out because of merit.
>>
>>5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money 
>>    to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a 
>>    poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day.
>>
>>
>>6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that 
>>    we eat, are sold on the footpath.
>>
>>
>>7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous.
>>
>>
>>8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges 
>>    alone take several years to be completed.
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM
>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>> 
>>Shri Bhagwat ji,
>>
>>
>>Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest,
>>willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up.
>>
>>
>>
>>I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military
>>
>>back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will
>>be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India. 
>>
>>
>>The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired 
>>military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to 
>>receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even
>>crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum
>>necessary cost for running the campaign.
>>
>>
>>I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However,
>>when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night
>>for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them 
>>or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and 
>>many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question.
>>
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>Kumar Arun
>>__________________________________________________________

>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800
>>From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in
>>Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>Namaskar!
>> 
>>                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. 
>>IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF 
>>MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM 
>>THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial 
>>appointee, PM must drop him.
>> 
>>This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.
>> 
>>Bhagwat Goel
>>__________________________________________________________

>>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700
>>From: lalh...@yahoo.com
>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 
>>
>>
>>80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. 
>>Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 
>>
>>
>>Tr.   
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:03 PM
>>Subject: RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>
>>To All Participants;
>>
>>
>>We must keep our thoughts alive and alert that no matter how we plan to achieve our goal to take back British created 
>>India towards the The Vedic Bharat, the philosophy of Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Budhism, Jainisim, and several others
>>will have to be adjusted in new Bharat (Hindu Rashtra). One must not assume and express that Hindu Rashtra means
>>exclusion of all people who believe in faith other than Sanatan Dharma. My vision is simple, all other religion will exist 
>>under the Hindu Rashtra and they will have freedom to practice their faith only but they should not have any reservation 
>>in schools, jobs & politics, etc,. The criteria for reservation will be determined based only on  economic ground. The so
>>called minority will have no choice but to follow the The Vedic traditions that would be embedded in the new constitution 
>>of Bharat. I will be very grateful if you please send your comments on this issues also.
>>Respectfully,
>>Dr. Kumar Arun
>>India Heritage Foundation
>>Michigan (USA)
>>PS: Please scroll down to read some of my thoughts that was expressed before which you may not have read it. Thanks.
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com
>>Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?
>>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000
>>Dear Fellow Patriots of India,
>>I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined 
>>for a constructive discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject,
>>we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to
>>stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you.
>>
>>
>>Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help
>>but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent
>>majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have
>>been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for
>>me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean BJP or get out to form a separate establishment.
>>The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince
>>a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from
>>civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate
>>for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below:
>>
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>Dr. Kumar Arun
>>Michigan (USA)
>>April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>
>>As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.
>>
>>Next thing is to draft amendments.
>>
>>Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.
>>
>>Next is to enforce that constitution.
>>
>>Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
>>But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.
>>
>>Other things can be done later after the above things.
>>
>>There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
>>The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
>>One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.
>>
>>jai sri krishna!
>>-sv
>>__________________________________________________________

>>On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>
>>
>>I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON 
>>>SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND 
>>>PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bhagwat Goel
>>>__________________________________________________________

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[devinde...@btopenworld.com]

Shadi Ji, Bhagwat Goel Ji is a great patriot, breaking his neck and shouting at the top of his voice, trying to reach the highest political echelone of Bharat.but alas no one is listening. to him.

 

We are indeed lucky that this foot soldier of RSS from somewhere in Gurgaon finds time to tell us from his own experience that little knowledge is a dangerous thing. something that we learnt in early days at school. So we should gratefully thank him for, at least, waking up although late in life.   

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Bhagwat ji,

Evidently Devinder ji must have stepped on your toes that it is your own ignorance which shows this arrogance to call names. Is this because your inability to keep the debate or his asking questions and asking questions??Canj you explain why such statement???

It is true that Arun ji did write and he can speak for himself. He is talking of new Constitution but he forgets that unless India has a Uniform Code Bill, nothing can change as we have vote banks. How much he is aware of today Constitution?

Shadi

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[Dr. Madhukar Ambekar]

On 28 Apr 2012, at 08:02, devinde...@btopenworld.com wrote:

Kumar Ji, Thanks for giving us the historic perspective to the women dying with or after their vanqueshed husbands death. You will agree that there is some difference between a voluntary jumping in the fire (pyre) to save the honour and virtue as against an act brought about by a collective persuasion and then declaring the dead woman a "Sati".In the modern day law, it will be regarded as culpable homicide. How right you are in your thinking YES it is culpable Homicide BUT Does Hindu scripture advocate such an act as "Sati"? If  people or Rulers or Social Leaders arrange such an act is that the fault of Hindu Dharma. There are scrupulous people even today. Do you blame the Law for that OR the people who commit such acts? Scandalous act of the Congress worker was found to be in the Chambers of Law office BUT the Discussion on NDTV was as what Happens in one's BED ROOM is one's own concern. What are your thought on this or do you think it is my source and you have no comment. Dr. Ambekar.  Regards Devinder Thankur 

[devinde...@btopenworld.com]

Dr Ambekar Ji, It no fault of our religion.Nowhere has Hindu religion said that we should make a wife die with her husband or kill a bride who can not bring the dowry that we expect.  These are the problems created by living in an organised or not so organised a society.with medieval mindset. Such problems do not exist in enlightened societies.

 

I suspect that  you are talking about the recent video of Mr Singhvi. Strictly speaking both Mr Singhvi as well as his partner are considered as the officers of the court but their chambers are not considered the court's premises but their own private offices where they receive clients and give legal advice etc  It is arguable whether some form of sexual activity between the two consenting officers of the court could take place in their private chambers ? It is not.clear whether they would still be considered to be on duty or not when in their chambers. . I suspect the answer would be "No" because they hire the premises on rent.and give advice for a fee.

 

If one of the lawyers indulging in sexual misadbventure happens to be a public figure then there are other implications like probity in public life, and whether the state secrets etc have been compromised. The famous case of Profumo -v-Chritine Keller comes to mind.  Regards Devinder Thakur.

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[Trishool]

Yes, Baba Ramdev is not a politician, but he has every right to speak out in the betterment of Bharat, as a Bharati. 

Baba Ramdev is neither corrupt politician, nor corrupt leader of Congress. Why do we not talk about corrupt leaders of Congress, and other political parties, who are hurting our country with corrupt, practices. !

Leaders of Congress have been proved guilty, by court. Baba Ramdev is NOT. ! 

Is it a crime, in India, to speak against corruption and black money ?! 

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:33 AM
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Shadiji!!

 

When facts are told, why do you interpret as hate against an individual? She was working as a bar-maid and one cannot dispute the fact.

 

My response was to your questioning the status of Baba ramdev and his credentials to rule or head the Govt.? If a barmaid could rule then why not ramdev who is very much above her in all positive aspects?

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Kumar ji,

One cannot compare apples with oranges and we are all aware that how much personal hate against Sonia has brought back our personal hate and looking down and calling names. It doesnot suite you to call her bar maid. as it shows personal hate.

She didnot offer her services and she was asked and brought into Congress by the party.

What makes you think that 1.2 Billuion people are willing to let Baba Ram dev rule the nation who wish to take the country to cave age and isolate with kicking MNC. Did we not learn anything from in the past by kicking IBM,Lever etc.

shadi

Where did you get the idea that 1.2 muillions want to be ruled by your New Messiah?

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:06 PM
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>>Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward>>
 
If an Italian barmaid serving food and liquor in the Canteen of Cambridge University, without primary education could run the Country of 1.2 billion Indians, why should the well trained Yoga teacher with patriotism to the Country aspire to rule India?


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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:10 PM
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Arun ji,

It is very interesting that how you wish to bring the retired Army officers and form a new party based on Nazi system thus controlling the lives of citizens and govt run by army officers. Have you thought for one second that if India wanted Army rule like Pakistan or even China it would have done so decades ago. It could have done when
Indira Gandhi brought Emergency.

Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward. Did you hear what he has to say about abolition our Parliamentary system . Can you explain me if his views along with yours are to push India out of World village and go back to stone age.;

On one side you wish to clean the house which everyone wants but on other side you wish to bring New Reich in due time. I suggest first form a party and write first you platform which in a way you have given some idea in one of your letters. What about Education, Technologies  etc. Is Baba Ram Dev going to lead your party or will it be ANNA or Modi ji.
Regards
shadi

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:20 AM
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May I request all the Patriots who are pessimist about "Hindu-Rashtra" be also considerate about the
process that we will have to go through? Is it not well understood that the Nehru and his family had been

breaking the back bone of the nation piece by piece? Why does any one expect ultimate change of India
to Bharat-Varsh to Hindu-Rashtra in one election? Should we not tell nation to first be ready to accept

a set of new of leaders other than congress, BJP, SSP, SP, JD, JDU, ADMK, blagh blagh blagh? We shall 
take time in explaining the process of replacement, win their heart and their vote in the next election.

The line of action should be to find a willing, qualified, deserving, candidate for a MP from the group of retired
military personnel. If we just take first step honestly and transparently, the result will produce the second step,
the third step and so on automatically. As a matter of fact, restoring the respect of the majority of Hindus,
is more important and crucial in transforming India into Hindu-Rashtra. What majority of Hindus will decide
is an important factor than assuming today and the end result of tomorrow. We all know, Hinduism in it's 
current form is totally different than our roots in Sanatan Dharma. What Baba Ramdev ji is telling the nation, 
should have been told by united Hindu leaders during & after Nehru to unite Hindus. Nehru kept dividing and 
Hindus kept tolerating. Obviously, Baba Ramdev understood the The Vedic Philosophy much better than so called 
Sankaracharyas in four corner of India. There has been an inbuilt process of evolution in the nature. The science 
of religion must also adopt the evolution and help humanity. Almost every religion has tried to adopt the change 
except Islam and only handful of other fanatics . 

With great regards to each one of you, I would like you to focus upon the very first step that is to eliminate the 
corrupt MPs once for all from Delhi and clean the house of Bharat-Mata in coming general election.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun 

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:53:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Kumar ji,
 
I agree with you but I am awaiting a reaction from Arunji.  He, I hope, would surely respond.
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 
Satbirji!! 

No elected Govt. would agree to declare India s a Hindu State due to our democratic process and Hindu-s divided into different sects 
and groups from Brahmins to Valmiki-s, the Politicians interested in perpetuating and augmenting the differences so that Hindu votes 
would remain split.
Moreoever, among Hindu-s there are many traitors working against Hinduism for personal gains., and this has been the main reasons 
why India was under foreign occupation subjugating Hindu-s for Centuries.
A ray of hope is Swami Ramdev, whose movement has millions as followers and if he forms a Political Party with main intention to 
remove Congress and Corruption and bring back the stashed funds abroad, perhaps the support base would be substantial and Congress 
could be defeated as it has happened in UP. We could not blame NDA fo non-fulfilment of the BJP agenda-s as there was sti\ff opposition 
from other constituents on Ram Mandir and other Hindu issues and we had the traitor Brajesh Misra dictating and implementing policies 
supporting SOnia throughout NDA period.
Anna Hazare is dilly dallying for supporting Baba Ramdev and he does not want to lose his secular image projected earlier. Now, Ramdev 

has declared that he would allow Sadhvi Rithambra to share the stage and we do not know the Ramdev-Anna rift whether it would widen.

We should all strive to prepare a Manifesto for the Hindu Party- to force BJP to adopt as restoration of all temple properties to the temples 
as at the time of partition and also restoration of management of temples to the Religious trusts managed by Hindu-s with no interference 
by Govt. Thousands of Crores of Rs. are looted annually by every State Govt. from Hindu Temples and diverted to fund Haj Travels, 
travel to Bethlehem, construction of mosques and Churches..etc. all these years.
Perhaps Arunji might also agree with me that a draft Election Manifesto

might be jointly prepared and discussed in this group before

finalisation and sent to RSS for adoption in the interests of Hindu-s and Swami Ramdev too would definitely support the same.
Sonia has several dossiers on BJP leaders up her sleeves and promptly uses them through CBI as we have seen the timing of Bangaru 
Lakshman's conviction in a matter of hours after Bofors issue was raised in the Parliament.

________________________________

From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,
 
I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support
the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs
who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is
concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.
 
Regards,
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

__________________________________________________________
From: Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Vasant ji:

How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?

With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
 
Hari OMThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.
 

__________________________________________________________

From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that
we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.

V. S. Sardesai

__________________________________________________________

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM

> 
>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,
>
>
>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position
within government. 
>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my
>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, 
>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?
>
>
>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least
>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?
>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. 
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>
>
>__________________________________________________________
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700
  From: nag...@yahoo.comSubject: 

  Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Dear Kumar ji:
>
>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from 
>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, 
>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, 
>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own 
>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow 
>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future
generation.
>  
>
>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote 
>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   
>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. 

>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   

__________________________________________________________
>From: kuma...@hotmail.com
  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000
  Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for
>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 
>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?

>Best regards,

>Kumar Arun

__________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700
From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: 

Re: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 
>
>
>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 
>We all
must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 
>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.
>
>
>God bless Bharat

>Tr.   

__________________________________________________________
>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Shri Lal Gehi ji,

>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.
>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready
>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300
years ago and that will make more sense.
>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.

>Kumar Arun

__________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: 
Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us
>
>a chance to
dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in
>
>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 
>
>
>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!
>
>
>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class,
they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?
>
>
>Respectfully,
>
>
>Kumar Arun

__________________________________________________________
>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com

  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100

  Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

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Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward. Did you hear what he has to say about abolition our Parliamentary system . Can you explain me if his views along with yours are to push India out of World village and go back to stone age.;

Shadi ji,  

Mahatma Gandhi was a ONE man, not million people, who ignited the spark of independence,which awakened whole Bharat, united them, and mobilized them, for struggle of independence. 

One candle can remove the darkness of whole room. We need patriots like Baba Ramdev ji, Anna ji, and Kiran Bedi ji, to irradiate, the corruption, loot, and chori, from Bharat. 

Though patriots are not politicians, but they are powerful enough to awaken the sleeping people of Bharat. We should not underestimate the power of truth. 

THE DISGRACE OF CONGRESS, AND OTHER POLITICAL PARITIES, IN BHARAT, MUST STOP. THEY ARE HURTING OUR COUNTRY IN THE NAME OF PHONY DEMOCRACY, AND SO CALLED SECULARISM. 

Tr.      

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:40 AM

Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Arun ji,

It is very interesting that how you wish to bring the retired Army officers and form a new party based on Nazi system thus controlling the lives of citizens and govt run by army officers. Have you thought for one second that if India wanted Army rule like Pakistan or even China it would have done so decades ago. It could have done when

Indira Gandhi brought Emergency.

Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward. Did you hear what he has to say about abolition our Parliamentary system . Can you explain me if his views along with yours are to push India out of World village and go back to stone age.;

On one side you wish to clean the house which everyone wants but on other side you wish to bring New Reich in due time. I suggest first form a party and write first you platform which in a way you have given some idea in one of your letters. What about Education, Technologies  etc. Is Baba Ram Dev going to lead your party or will it be ANNA or Modi ji.

Regards

shadi

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Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Kumar ji,

 

I agree with you but I am awaiting a reaction from Arunji.  He, I hope, would surely respond.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Satbirji!! 

No elected Govt. would agree to declare India s a Hindu State due to our democratic process and Hindu-s divided into different sects 

and groups from Brahmins to Valmiki-s, the Politicians interested in perpetuating and augmenting the differences so that Hindu votes 

would remain split.
Moreoever, among Hindu-s there are many traitors working against Hinduism for personal gains., and this has been the main reasons 

why India was under foreign occupation subjugating Hindu-s for Centuries.
A ray of hope is Swami Ramdev, whose movement has millions as followers and if he forms a Political Party with main intention to 

remove Congress and Corruption and bring back the stashed funds abroad, perhaps the support base would be substantial and Congress 

could be defeated as it has happened in UP. We could not blame NDA fo non-fulfilment of the BJP agenda-s as there was sti\ff opposition 

from other constituents on Ram Mandir and other Hindu issues and we had the traitor Brajesh Misra dictating and implementing policies 

supporting SOnia throughout NDA period.
Anna Hazare is dilly dallying for supporting Baba Ramdev and he does not want to lose his secular image projected earlier. Now, Ramdev 

has declared that he would allow Sadhvi Rithambra to share the stage and we do not know the Ramdev-Anna rift whether it would widen.

We should all strive to prepare a Manifesto for the Hindu Party- to force BJP to adopt as restoration of all temple properties to the temples 

as at the time of partition and also restoration of management of temples to the Religious trusts managed by Hindu-s with no interference 

by Govt. Thousands of Crores of Rs. are looted annually by every State Govt. from Hindu Temples and diverted to fund Haj Travels, 

travel to Bethlehem, construction of mosques and Churches..etc. all these years.

Perhaps Arunji might also agree with me that a draft Election Manifesto might be jointly prepared and discussed in this group before

finalisation and sent to RSS for adoption in the interests of Hindu-s and Swami Ramdev too would definitely support the same.
Sonia has several dossiers on BJP leaders up her sleeves and promptly uses them through CBI as we have seen the timing of Bangaru 

Lakshman's conviction in a matter of hours after Bofors issue was raised in the Parliament.

________________________________

From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?


Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,
 
I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs
who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.
 
Regards,
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

__________________________________________________________________________________________

From: Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Vasant ji:

How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?

With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
 
Hari OMThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.
 

__________________________________________________________________________________________________

From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.

V. S. Sardesai

____________________________________________________________________________________________

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM

> 
>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,
>
>
>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position within government. 
>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my
>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, 
>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?
>
>
>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least
>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?
>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. 
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>
>
>__________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700

  From: nag...@yahoo.comSubject: 

  Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Dear Kumar ji:
>
>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from 
>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, 
>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, 
>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own 
>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow 
>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future generation.
>  
>
>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote 
>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   
>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. 

>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   

___________________________________________________________________________________________
>From: kuma...@hotmail.com

  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000

  Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for
>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 
>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?

>Best regards,

>Kumar Arun

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>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: 

Re: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 
>
>
>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 
>We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 
>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.
>
>
>God bless Bharat

>Tr.   

______________________________________________________________________________________________

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Shri Lal Gehi ji,

>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.
>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready
>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 years ago and that will make more sense.
>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.

>Kumar Arun

____________________________________________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: 

Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us
>
>a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in
>
>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 
>
>
>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!
>
>
>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?
>
>
>Respectfully,
>
>
>Kumar Arun

____________________________________________________________________________________

>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com

  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100

  Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 
>            

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a set of new of leaders other than congress, BJP, SSP, SP, JD, JDU, ADMK, blagh blagh blagh? We shall 

take time in explaining the process of replacement, win their heart and their vote in the next election.

All Indian political parties have created mockery of democracy, to serve their hunger for power, None is interested to serve Bharat sincerely. 

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:20 AM

Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Kumar ji,

 

I agree with you but I am awaiting a reaction from Arunji.  He, I hope, would surely respond.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Satbirji!! 

No elected Govt. would agree to declare India s a Hindu State due to our democratic process and Hindu-s divided into different sects 

and groups from Brahmins to Valmiki-s, the Politicians interested in perpetuating and augmenting the differences so that Hindu votes 

would remain split.
Moreoever, among Hindu-s there are many traitors working against Hinduism for personal gains., and this has been the main reasons 

why India was under foreign occupation subjugating Hindu-s for Centuries.
A ray of hope is Swami Ramdev, whose movement has millions as followers and if he forms a Political Party with main intention to 

remove Congress and Corruption and bring back the stashed funds abroad, perhaps the support base would be substantial and Congress 

could be defeated as it has happened in UP. We could not blame NDA fo non-fulfilment of the BJP agenda-s as there was sti\ff opposition 

from other constituents on Ram Mandir and other Hindu issues and we had the traitor Brajesh Misra dictating and implementing policies 

supporting SOnia throughout NDA period.
Anna Hazare is dilly dallying for supporting Baba Ramdev and he does not want to lose his secular image projected earlier. Now, Ramdev 

has declared that he would allow Sadhvi Rithambra to share the stage and we do not know the Ramdev-Anna rift whether it would widen.

We should all strive to prepare a Manifesto for the Hindu Party- to force BJP to adopt as restoration of all temple properties to the temples 

as at the time of partition and also restoration of management of temples to the Religious trusts managed by Hindu-s with no interference 

by Govt. Thousands of Crores of Rs. are looted annually by every State Govt. from Hindu Temples and diverted to fund Haj Travels, 

travel to Bethlehem, construction of mosques and Churches..etc. all these years.

Perhaps Arunji might also agree with me that a draft Election Manifesto might be jointly prepared and discussed in this group before

finalisation and sent to RSS for adoption in the interests of Hindu-s and Swami Ramdev too would definitely support the same.
Sonia has several dossiers on BJP leaders up her sleeves and promptly uses them through CBI as we have seen the timing of Bangaru 

Lakshman's conviction in a matter of hours after Bofors issue was raised in the Parliament.

________________________________

From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?


Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,
 
I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs
who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.
 
Regards,
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

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From: Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Vasant ji:

How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?

With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
 
Hari OMThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.
 

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From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.

V. S. Sardesai

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>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM

> 
>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,
>
>
>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position within government. 
>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my
>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, 
>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?
>
>
>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least
>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?
>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. 
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>
>
>__________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700

  From: nag...@yahoo.comSubject: 

  Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Dear Kumar ji:
>
>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from 
>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, 
>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, 
>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own 
>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow 
>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future generation.
>  
>
>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote 
>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   
>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. 

>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   

___________________________________________________________________________________________
>From: kuma...@hotmail.com

  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000

  Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for
>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 
>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?

>Best regards,

>Kumar Arun

___________________________________________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: 

Re: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 
>
>
>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 
>We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 
>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.
>
>
>God bless Bharat

>Tr.   

______________________________________________________________________________________________

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Shri Lal Gehi ji,

>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.
>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready
>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 years ago and that will make more sense.
>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.

>Kumar Arun

____________________________________________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: 

Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us
>
>a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in
>
>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 
>
>
>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!
>
>
>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?
>
>
>Respectfully,
>
>
>Kumar Arun

____________________________________________________________________________________

>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com

  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100

  Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 
>            

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On the other hand Baba Ram Dev Ji is a professional Yoga teacher and earns his living by doing yoga. Of course, he can become a professional politician if he wanted to but he has to come and face the cut and thrust of the politics and not by sitting on a stage and making all kinds of noises.Once a full time politics people will soon forget about him as a yoga teacher and start remembering him as Right Honourable Baba Ram Dev MP from Rohtak. etc and judge him as that. Devinder Thakur 

Yes, Baba Ramdev is not a politician, but he has every right to speak out in the betterment of Bharat, as a Bharati. 

Baba Ramdev is neither corrupt politician, nor corrupt leader of Congress. Why do we not talk about corrupt leaders of Congress, and other political parties, who are hurting our country with corrupt, practices. !

Leaders of Congress have been proved guilty, by court. Baba Ramdev is NOT. ! 

Is it a crime, in India, to speak against corruption and black money ?! 

Tr. 

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Kumar Ji, An Italian woman who goes to London to learn English has to do a job under Home Office rules either as an au-pair with a family or at a bar or a restaurant.but she was, not a professional barmaid. I should mention that I was for a time a part time barman myself besides doing a day job when I was saving hard to complete my studies and go to India to get married. Would you in all honesty call me a professional barman. The reality is that she married the son of the then Prime Minister of India and became the very popular daughter in law of the first family and that should be her starting point and her starting credentials. After that what happened is for all to see.

 

On the other hand Baba Ram Dev Ji is a professional Yoga teacher and earns his living by doing yoga. Of course, he can become a professional politician if he wanted to but he has to come and face the cut and thrust of the politics and not by sitting on a stage and making all kinds of noises.Once a full time politics people will soon forget about him as a yoga teacher and start remembering him as Right Honourable Baba Ram Dev MP from Rohtak. etc and judge him as that. Devinder Thakur 

From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
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>>Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward>>

 

If an Italian barmaid serving food and liquor in the Canteen of Cambridge University, without primary education could run the Country of 1.2 billion Indians, why should the well trained Yoga teacher with patriotism to the Country aspire to rule India?

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:10 PM

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Arun ji,

It is very interesting that how you wish to bring the retired Army officers and form a new party based on Nazi system thus controlling the lives of citizens and govt run by army officers. Have you thought for one second that if India wanted Army rule like Pakistan or even China it would have done so decades ago. It could have done when
Indira Gandhi brought Emergency.

Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward. Did you hear what he has to say about abolition our Parliamentary system . Can you explain me if his views along with yours are to push India out of World village and go back to stone age.;

On one side you wish to clean the house which everyone wants but on other side you wish to bring New Reich in due time. I suggest first form a party and write first you platform which in a way you have given some idea in one of your letters. What about Education, Technologies  etc. Is Baba Ram Dev going to lead your party or will it be ANNA or Modi ji.
Regards
shadi

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Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Kumar ji,
 
I agree with you but I am awaiting a reaction from Arunji.  He, I hope, would surely respond.
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 
Satbirji!! 

No elected Govt. would agree to declare India s a Hindu State due to our democratic process and Hindu-s divided into different sects 
and groups from Brahmins to Valmiki-s, the Politicians interested in perpetuating and augmenting the differences so that Hindu votes 
would remain split.
Moreoever, among Hindu-s there are many traitors working against Hinduism for personal gains., and this has been the main reasons 
why India was under foreign occupation subjugating Hindu-s for Centuries.
A ray of hope is Swami Ramdev, whose movement has millions as followers and if he forms a Political Party with main intention to 
remove Congress and Corruption and bring back the stashed funds abroad, perhaps the support base would be substantial and Congress 
could be defeated as it has happened in UP. We could not blame NDA fo non-fulfilment of the BJP agenda-s as there was sti\ff opposition 
from other constituents on Ram Mandir and other Hindu issues and we had the traitor Brajesh Misra dictating and implementing policies 
supporting SOnia throughout NDA period.
Anna Hazare is dilly dallying for supporting Baba Ramdev and he does not want to lose his secular image projected earlier. Now, Ramdev 

has declared that he would allow Sadhvi Rithambra to share the stage and we do not know the Ramdev-Anna rift whether it would widen.

We should all strive to prepare a Manifesto for the Hindu Party- to force BJP to adopt as restoration of all temple properties to the temples 
as at the time of partition and also restoration of management of temples to the Religious trusts managed by Hindu-s with no interference 
by Govt. Thousands of Crores of Rs. are looted annually by every State Govt. from Hindu Temples and diverted to fund Haj Travels, 
travel to Bethlehem, construction of mosques and Churches..etc. all these years.
Perhaps Arunji might also agree with me that a draft Election Manifesto

might be jointly prepared and discussed in this group before

finalisation and sent to RSS for adoption in the interests of Hindu-s and Swami Ramdev too would definitely support the same.
Sonia has several dossiers on BJP leaders up her sleeves and promptly uses them through CBI as we have seen the timing of Bangaru 
Lakshman's conviction in a matter of hours after Bofors issue was raised in the Parliament.

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From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,
 
I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support
the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs
who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is
concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.
 
Regards,
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM
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Dear Vasant ji:

How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?

With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
 
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From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that
we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.

V. S. Sardesai

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>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM

> 
>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,
>
>
>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position
within government. 
>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my
>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, 
>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?
>
>
>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least
>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?
>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. 
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>
>
>__________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700
  From: nag...@yahoo.comSubject: 

  Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Dear Kumar ji:
>
>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from 
>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, 
>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, 
>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own 
>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow 
>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future
generation.
>  
>
>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote 
>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   
>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. 

>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   

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>From: kuma...@hotmail.com
  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000

  Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for
>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 
>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?

>Best regards,

>Kumar Arun

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>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700
From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: 

Re: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 
>
>
>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 
>We all
must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 
>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.
>
>
>God bless Bharat

>Tr.   

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>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Shri Lal Gehi ji,

>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.
>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready
>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300
years ago and that will make more sense.
>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.

>Kumar Arun

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>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: 
Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us
>
>a chance to
dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in
>
>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 
>
>
>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!
>
>
>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class,
they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?
>
>
>Respectfully,
>
>
>Kumar Arun

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>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com
  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100

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[satbir singh]

Shadi ji,

 

I no longer want Hindu Rashtra as there are so many problems like what would happen to J&K State, what would happen to Meghalaya, Nagaland etc. where Christians are in majority and what would happen to Punjab where Sikhs are in majority.  I have posed these problems to Kumar Arun who has come up with the present proposal.  He has mentioned the term "Ram Rajya".  Let him explain.  If you have any further query in this regard, please address it to Mr. Kumar Arun who wants to create a Hindu Rashtra.  I am these days busy with some work for ensuring Hindu-Sikh unity and for propagating the Sufi way of life for ensuring the Hindu-Muslim unity and to wean Muslims away from radical Islamic elements.

 

Satbir

From: shadi katyalsearch <shadi...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:54 PM
Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Satbir ji,

It is true that majority of Hindus wish to live in peace and when majority tells you by voting that they are secular ,a
minority wishes to create problems for the nation.
The present ruling classes and scams has nothing to do with Hinduvata.What you were asking was to balkanise the nation and now
You are repeating the word Ram Rajya which Gandhi used to rpeat and thus drove the Muslims to ask for Pakistan.Can you and other writers explain what we know of such word and how we wish to transform our nation into such kingdom.l Keep in mind that history does repeat itself and we are on that path again.
Shadi

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From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>

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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:52 PM

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?


 
Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,
 
I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs
who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.
 
Regards,
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Vasant ji:
How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?
 
With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
 

Hari OMThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.

 

From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>
To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stopcorruption Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.
 
V. S. Sardesai
 
--- On Fri, 27/4/12, Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
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>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM
>
>
> 
>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,
>
>
>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position within government. 
>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my
>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, 
>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?
>
>
>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least
>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?
>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. 
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>
>
>__________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700 From: nag...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Dear Kumar ji:
>
>
>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from 
>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, 
>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, 
>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own 
>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow 
>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future generation.
>  
>
>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote 
>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   
>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. 
>
>
>
>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
> 

>Hari OMThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.

> 
>
From: kuma...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000 Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 
>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for
>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 
>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?
>Best regards,
>Kumar Arun
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700 From: lalh...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 
>
>
>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 
>We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 
>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.
>
>
>God bless Bharat
>
>
>Tr.   
>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Shri Lal Gehi ji,
>
>
>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.
>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready
>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 years ago and that will make more sense.
>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.
>Kumar Arun

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700 From: lalh...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us
>
>a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in
>
>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 
>
>
>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!
>
>
>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?
>
>
>Respectfully,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>

From: devinde...@btopenworld.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 
>             9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.
> 
>           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.
>__________________________________________________________

>>From: grd_...@yahoo.com
>>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700
>>Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India
>>
>>
>>
>>HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . .
>>
>>
>>
>>1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free.
>>
>>
>>2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police.
>>
>>
>>3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%.
>>
>>
>>4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those 
>>    with 90% get out because of merit.
>>
>>5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money 
>>    to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a 
>>    poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day.
>>
>>
>>6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that 
>>    we eat, are sold on the footpath.
>>
>>
>>7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous.
>>
>>
>>8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges 
>>    alone take several years to be completed.
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM
>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>> 
>>Shri Bhagwat ji,
>>
>>
>>Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest,
>>willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up.
>>
>>
>>
>>I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military
>>
>>back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will
>>be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India. 
>>
>>
>>The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired 
>>military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to 
>>receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even
>>crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum
>>necessary cost for running the campaign.
>>
>>
>>I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However,
>>when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night
>>for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them 
>>or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and 
>>many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question.
>>
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>Kumar Arun
>>__________________________________________________________

>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800
>>From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in
>>Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>Namaskar!
>> 
>>                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. 
>>IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF 
>>MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM 
>>THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial 
>>appointee, PM must drop him.
>> 
>>This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.
>> 
>>Bhagwat Goel
>>__________________________________________________________

>>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700
>>From: lalh...@yahoo.com
>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 
>>
>>
>>80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. 
>>Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 
>>
>>
>>Tr.   
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:03 PM
>>Subject: RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>
>>To All Participants;
>>
>>
>>We must keep our thoughts alive and alert that no matter how we plan to achieve our goal to take back British created 
>>India towards the The Vedic Bharat, the philosophy of Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Budhism, Jainisim, and several others
>>will have to be adjusted in new Bharat (Hindu Rashtra). One must not assume and express that Hindu Rashtra means
>>exclusion of all people who believe in faith other than Sanatan Dharma. My vision is simple, all other religion will exist 
>>under the Hindu Rashtra and they will have freedom to practice their faith only but they should not have any reservation 
>>in schools, jobs & politics, etc,. The criteria for reservation will be determined based only on  economic ground. The so
>>called minority will have no choice but to follow the The Vedic traditions that would be embedded in the new constitution 
>>of Bharat. I will be very grateful if you please send your comments on this issues also.
>>Respectfully,
>>Dr. Kumar Arun
>>India Heritage Foundation
>>Michigan (USA)
>>PS: Please scroll down to read some of my thoughts that was expressed before which you may not have read it. Thanks.
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com
>>Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?
>>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000
>>Dear Fellow Patriots of India,
>>I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined 
>>for a constructive discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject,
>>we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to
>>stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you.
>>
>>
>>Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help
>>but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent
>>majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have
>>been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for
>>me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean BJP or get out to form a separate establishment.
>>The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince
>>a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from
>>civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate
>>for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below:
>>
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>Dr. Kumar Arun
>>Michigan (USA)
>>April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>
>>As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.
>>
>>Next thing is to draft amendments.
>>
>>Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.
>>
>>Next is to enforce that constitution.
>>
>>Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
>>But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.
>>
>>Other things can be done later after the above things.
>>
>>There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
>>The Muslims all over the world try to enter
Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
>>One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.
>>
>>jai sri krishna!
>>-sv
>>__________________________________________________________

>>On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>
>>
>>I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON 
>>>SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND 
>>>PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bhagwat Goel
>>>__________________________________________________________

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[satbir singh]

I am sorry that I cannot agree with you.  We cannot convert 200 million Muslims.  It is an impossible task.  We cannot also send them to Pakistan as that country would never accept them. There is no other go except to live with them.  Even 20 million Christians cannot be converted to Hinduism.  It is a very difficult task.  If you can do it, please do convert all Muslims and Christians but I doubt it very much that you will be able to do so.  In my opinion, Hindutva is tolerant and it can tolerate these Muslims and Christians also.  Wishing you all the best.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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The root cause of the problem is invasion of the anti-Vedic ideologies (Islaam and Xianity) in the Vedhc desh. These ideologies need to be purges out of Bhaarat.The other problem is created by the political blunder of lettint the Muslims live in Bhaarat after partitioning BHaarat in 1947. The fix is to help the Muslims of Bhaarat to give up Islaam or leave Bhaarat.

We Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs, Parsis, and Jews, and vedics had no problem prior to invasion of these two ideologies. So, do not use the word "Ram Rajya". Instead, make Bhaarat  Vedic desh. The Vedic dharma and sanskriti are alreaty tolerant of alll the tolerant faiths. Therefore, we do not need "secularism" medicine which is for the Xian world only.See attached PDF that gives rationale why the Muslims of Bhaarat need to give up Islaam.To implement it requires mass social and political movement.jai sri krishna!
-sv
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[Rabinder Koul]

Kumar ji Secularism as per the very definition is against the tenants of Dharma. Secularism divides teh word in to Sacred and sinful The Soul is sacred and Gods laws apply to it. The Sinful is the domain of Satan and the mans laws apply to it. How can we divide the Dharma in to these two domains as these two domains do not arise in Hindu tradition. Eve in Dvaita tradition, we have no Saitan, to set a claim the domain of temporality. We have an integral system applying secularism to it, is Islamizing or Christianizing it. Basic principles of Secularism are very antithesis of Dharma world view. To say Secularism means sarva Dharma sambhava is the say Islam is a Dharma. Dharma applies both to man, other living and non-living. Then how do we divide it in to domain of Dharma and outside the domain of Dharma?

Ravindra Koul

अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ: स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे 

शिव: करोतु निजया नम: शक्त्या ततात्मने 

On Apr 29, 2012, at 11:59 AM, S kumar wrote:

Shadiji!!

 

Secularism as practised in India is anti-Hinduism and pro-minorityism. Rob Peter and pay to Paul is the policy followed by the Congress under so called secularism. Why should the Govt. take away all the income of the Hindu temples donated by devotees for the upkeep, running and expansion of temples in the name of Secularism, since 1950-s when Nehru introduced the anti-Constitutional Hindu Religious endowments bill? Are Hindu-s to pay for Haj Travels of lakhs of Muslims or as Samuel Reddy introduced, Chrsitian pilgrimages to Bethlehem? Is it Secularism? Even J&K Govt. a Muslim State takes away all income of the Amarnath and Vaishnodevi temples running to a few thousand Crores and do not provide even minimum facilities like oads and shelters for pilgrims!!

 

CM Krishna as CM of Karnataka spent over 80% of the income from temples for non-Hindu purposes as for Muslims and Christians, who in turn are flush with funds received from Saudi and Iran, and Missionaries all over the developed Countries!! So are many Congress Ruled States like Andhra or Maharashtra!! Many temples have closed down for want of funds to run the daily pooja-s.

 

The term Secularism as defined when applied first was separation of Religion from Politics and allow people to practice their faiths independently without interference from either the rulers or other faiths. This is what Hindu-s have been following since millenea, when Parsi-s exterminated or converted to Islam in Persia landed in Gujarat Coast, or the Arabs before advent of Islam or afterwards were given all facilities by various Kings of Kerala and the oldest Mosque set up in Kodungallur still exists with the appearance like a typical Kerala House, or when Thomas came to Kerala to spread Christianity, he was received and the Malankara Orthodox Christians form a substantial number from the first Century AD compared to Catholic Christianity started after 300 years.

 

Hindu-s have been practising Secularism in its real sense. But the term has been prostituted by Politicians esp. Congress to destroy Hindu Temples, Temple properties, Hindu Marriages and families and now Hindu educational institutions by denying opening of new educational institutions by Hindu Groups but allowed for so called minorities. e.g. Muslims amnd Christians control over 90% of Schools, Colleges and Professional institutions in Kerala and Hindu-s have to either pay heavy donations to get admissions or go out of the State for studies. 

 

Do you think Secularism is properly defined and practised in India? Neither the term Minority has been defined so far in spite of Supeme Court asking the Govt. to do so soince over two decades?

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Satbir ji,

It is true that majority of Hindus wish to live in peace and when majority tells you by voting that they are secular ,a

minority wishes to create problems for the nation.

The present ruling classes and scams has nothing to do with Hinduvata.What you were asking was to balkanise the nation and now

You are repeating the word Ram Rajya which Gandhi used to rpeat and thus drove the Muslims to ask for Pakistan.Can you and other writers explain what we know of such word and how we wish to transform our nation into such kingdom.l Keep in mind that history does repeat itself and we are on that path again.

Shadi

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700 From: nag...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Kumar Arun Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700 From: lalh...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of' larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive.  If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being  biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure! I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way. Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted. This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice. This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable.  Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please? Respectfully, Kumar Arun

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[satbir singh]

It is true that secularism is not being implemented in India as per its definition.  Secularism means that State would have nothing to do with religion.  However, Congress led UPA Govt. is appeasing the Muslims for getting their votes.  Moreover, Hindus should be declared a minority in J&K, Nagaland, Meghalaya, etc. as well as Punjab. Moreover, it is known to everybody that Govt. has done nothing for the Kashmiri Pandits. Moreover, during Muslim rule, many temples were converted into mosques but they cannot now be converted into temples for Hindus.  That is why I was asking for a Hindu Rashtra but now I am not so keen on creation of a Hindu Rashtra because of various problems like what would happen to J&K which is Muslim majority State, What would happen to Christian majority states like Meghalaya, Nagaland etc. and what would happen to Punjab where Sikhs are in majority.  However, Kumar ji and other people have genuine grievances about Hindu religion being not taken care of by Congress led UPA Govt.  So, let all of them vote for BJP which says that it represents Hindu interests and has a chance of winning the elections.  Ram Dev Baba is not likely to win the elections.  He would only divide Hindu votes.  So, let Kumar ji and other vote for BJP in the next elections and watch for the results.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:29 PM
Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Shadiji!!
 
Secularism as practised in India is anti-Hinduism and pro-minorityism. Rob Peter and pay to Paul is the policy followed by the Congress under so called secularism. Why should the Govt. take away all the income of the Hindu temples donated by devotees for the upkeep, running and expansion of temples in the name of Secularism, since 1950-s when Nehru introduced the anti-Constitutional Hindu Religious endowments bill? Are Hindu-s to pay for Haj Travels of lakhs of Muslims or as Samuel Reddy introduced, Chrsitian pilgrimages to Bethlehem? Is it Secularism? Even J&K Govt. a Muslim State takes away all income of the Amarnath and Vaishnodevi temples running to a few thousand Crores and do not provide even minimum facilities like oads and shelters for pilgrims!!
 
CM Krishna as CM of Karnataka spent over 80% of the income from temples for non-Hindu purposes as for Muslims and Christians, who in turn are flush with funds received from Saudi and Iran, and Missionaries all over the developed Countries!! So are many Congress Ruled States like Andhra or Maharashtra!! Many temples have closed down for want of funds to run the daily pooja-s.
 
The term Secularism as defined when applied first was separation of Religion from Politics and allow people to practice their faiths independently without interference from either the rulers or other faiths. This is what Hindu-s have been following since millenea, when Parsi-s exterminated or converted to Islam in Persia landed in Gujarat Coast, or the Arabs before advent of Islam or afterwards were given all facilities by various Kings of Kerala and the oldest Mosque set up in Kodungallur still exists with the appearance like a typical Kerala House, or when Thomas came to Kerala to spread Christianity, he was received and the Malankara Orthodox Christians form a substantial number from the first Century AD compared to Catholic Christianity started after 300 years.
 
Hindu-s have been practising Secularism in its real sense. But the term has been prostituted by Politicians esp. Congress to destroy Hindu Temples, Temple properties, Hindu Marriages and families and now Hindu educational institutions by denying opening of new educational institutions by Hindu Groups but allowed for so called minorities. e.g. Muslims amnd Christians control over 90% of Schools, Colleges and Professional institutions in Kerala and Hindu-s have to either pay heavy donations to get admissions or go out of the State for studies. 
 
Do you think Secularism is properly defined and practised in India? Neither the term Minority has been defined so far in spite of Supeme Court asking the Govt. to do so soince over two decades?

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:54 PM

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Satbir ji,

It is true that majority of Hindus wish to live in peace and when majority tells you by voting that they are secular ,a
minority wishes to create problems for the nation.
The present ruling classes and scams has nothing to do with Hinduvata.What you were asking was to balkanise the nation and now
You are repeating the word Ram Rajya which Gandhi used to rpeat and thus drove the Muslims to ask for Pakistan.Can you and other writers explain what we know of such word and how we wish to transform our nation into such kingdom.l Keep in mind that history does repeat itself and we are on that path again.
Shadi

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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:52 PM

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,
 
I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs
who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.
 
Regards,
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Vasant ji:
How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?

With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
 
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From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>
To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stopcorruption Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.

V. S. Sardesai

--- On Fri, 27/4/12, Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
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>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM
>
>
> 
>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,
>
>
>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position within government. 
>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my
>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, 
>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?
>
>
>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least
>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?
>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. 
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700 From: nag...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Dear Kumar ji:
>
>
>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from 
>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, 
>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, 
>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own 
>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow 
>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future generation.
>  
>
>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote 
>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   
>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. 
>
>
>
>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
> 
>Hari OM The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.
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From: kuma...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000 Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 
>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for
>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 
>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?
>Best regards,
>Kumar Arun
>
>

>________________________________
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700 From: lalh...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 
>
>
>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 
>We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 
>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.
>
>
>God bless Bharat
>
>
>Tr.   
>

>________________________________

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Shri Lal Gehi ji,
>
>
>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.
>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready
>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 years ago and that will make more sense.
>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.
>Kumar Arun
>

>________________________________
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700 From: lalh...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>
>________________________________

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us
>
>a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in
>
>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 
>
>
>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!
>
>
>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?
>
>
>Respectfully,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>

>________________________________

>
From: devinde...@btopenworld.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 
>             9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.
> 
>           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.
>__________________________________________________________

>>From: grd_...@yahoo.com
>>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700
>>Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India
>>
>>
>>
>>HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . .
>>
>>
>>
>>1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free.
>>
>>
>>2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police.
>>
>>
>>3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%.
>>
>>
>>4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those 
>>    with 90% get out because of merit.
>>
>>5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money 
>>    to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a 
>>    poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day.
>>
>>
>>6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that 
>>    we eat, are sold on the footpath.
>>
>>
>>7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous.
>>
>>
>>8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges 
>>    alone take several years to be completed.
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM
>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>> 
>>
>>Shri Bhagwat ji,
>>
>>
>>Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest,
>>willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up.
>>
>>
>>
>>I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military
>>
>>back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will
>>be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India. 
>>
>>
>>The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired 
>>military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to 
>>receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even
>>crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum
>>necessary cost for running the campaign.
>>
>>
>>I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However,
>>when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night
>>for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them 
>>or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and 
>>many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question.
>>
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>Kumar Arun
>>__________________________________________________________

>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800
>>From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in
>>Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>Namaskar!
>> 
>>                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. 
>>IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF 
>>MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM 
>>THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial 
>>appointee, PM must drop him.
>> 
>>This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.
>> 
>>Bhagwat Goel
>>__________________________________________________________

>>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700
>>From: lalh...@yahoo.com
>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 
>>
>>
>>80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. 
>>Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 
>>
>>
>>Tr.   
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:03 PM
>>Subject: RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>
>>To All Participants;
>>
>>
>>We must keep our thoughts alive and alert that no matter how we plan to achieve our goal to take back British created 
>>India towards the The Vedic Bharat, the philosophy of Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Budhism, Jainisim, and several others
>>will have to be adjusted in new Bharat (Hindu Rashtra). One must not assume and express that Hindu Rashtra means
>>exclusion of all people who believe in faith other than Sanatan Dharma. My vision is simple, all other religion will exist 
>>under the Hindu Rashtra and they will have freedom to practice their faith only but they should not have any reservation 
>>in schools, jobs & politics, etc,. The criteria for reservation will be determined based only on  economic ground. The so
>>called minority will have no choice but to follow the The Vedic traditions that would be embedded in the new constitution 
>>of Bharat. I will be very grateful if you please send your comments on this issues also.
>>Respectfully,
>>Dr. Kumar Arun
>>India Heritage Foundation
>>Michigan (USA)
>>PS: Please scroll down to read some of my thoughts that was expressed before which you may not have read it. Thanks.
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com
>>Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?
>>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000
>>
>>Dear Fellow Patriots of India,
>>I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined 
>>for a constructive discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject,
>>we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to
>>stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you.
>>
>>
>>Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help
>>but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent
>>majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have
>>been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for
>>me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean BJP or get out to form a separate establishment.
>>The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince
>>a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from
>>civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate
>>for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below:
>>
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>Dr. Kumar Arun
>>Michigan (USA)
>>April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST
>>__________________________________________________________

>>From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>>
>>
>>As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.
>>
>>Next thing is to draft amendments.
>>
>>Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.
>>
>>Next is to enforce that constitution.
>>
>>Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
>>But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.
>>
>>Other things can be done later after the above things.
>>
>>There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
>>The Muslims all over the world
try to enter
Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
>>One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.
>>
>>jai sri krishna!
>>-sv
>>__________________________________________________________

>>On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>
>>
>>I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON 
>>>SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND 
>>>PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Bhagwat Goel
>>>__________________________________________________________

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[Rabinder Koul]

My email was response to SKumar and not to Kumar Arun. In any case I firmly believe that India of today has rot of corruption set at he very ordinary individual level. And that has to do with our value less, contentless education. By contentless I mean it serves no larger purpose no larger focus than become a technician and earn a living. That part is important, but without larger purpose without a larger notion of nations destiny it is meaningless. Until that changes we will continue to go in the downward direction. And that is why Dharma comes in to picture. That is where  a larger destiny comes in to picture. That Dharma has to manifest at the root education level to change the common mans perspective and their actions. Until that happens it will a be loosing battle.

Ravindra Koul

अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ: स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे 

शिव: करोतु निजया नम: शक्त्या ततात्मने 

On Apr 29, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Kumar Arun wrote:

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012, 1:17
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Dear Ladies & Gentleman,

Please stay focussed on the subject and it's related issues which is to sweep the traitors (most MPs) in Delhi.

We must find a way to defeat Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul regime. I am willing to devote rest of my life in working

on the project I have laid down before each one of you to ponder and advise. I am looking for your honest

opinion, and if you agree then your full support. In the end of the day, it is your prerogative and deep desire

that will bring any change in the present system. We all love our country, spend many hours thinking about the

corrupts who are taking our nation & it's culture to slippery down fall, we must change the course of direction.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

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From: arr...@ameritech.net
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:34:05 -0400

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Kumar ji Secularism as per the very definition is against the tenants of Dharma. Secularism divides teh word in to Sacred and sinful The Soul is sacred and Gods laws apply to it. The Sinful is the domain of Satan and the mans laws apply to it. How can we divide the Dharma in to these two domains as these two domains do not arise in Hindu tradition. Eve in Dvaita tradition, we have no Saitan, to set a claim the domain of temporality. We have an integral system applying secularism to it, is Islamizing or Christianizing it. Basic principles of Secularism are very antithesis of Dharma world view. To say Secularism means sarva Dharma sambhava is the say Islam is a Dharma. Dharma applies both to man, other living and non-living. Then how do we divide it in to domain of Dharma and outside the domain of Dharma?

Ravindra Koul

अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ: स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे 

शिव: करोतु निजया नम: शक्त्या ततात्मने 

On Apr 29, 2012, at 11:59 AM, S kumar wrote:

Shadiji!!

 

Secularism as practised in India is anti-Hinduism and pro-minorityism. Rob Peter and pay to Paul is the policy followed by the Congress under so called secularism. Why should the Govt. take away all the income of the Hindu temples donated by devotees for the upkeep, running and expansion of temples in the name of Secularism, since 1950-s when Nehru introduced the anti-Constitutional Hindu Religious endowments bill? Are Hindu-s to pay for Haj Travels of lakhs of Muslims or as Samuel Reddy introduced, Chrsitian pilgrimages to Bethlehem? Is it Secularism? Even J&K Govt. a Muslim State takes away all income of the Amarnath and Vaishnodevi temples running to a few thousand Crores and do not provide even minimum facilities like oads and shelters for pilgrims!!

 

CM Krishna as CM of Karnataka spent over 80% of the income from temples for non-Hindu purposes as for Muslims and Christians, who in turn are flush with funds received from Saudi and Iran, and Missionaries all over the developed Countries!! So are many Congress Ruled States like Andhra or Maharashtra!! Many temples have closed down for want of funds to run the daily pooja-s.

 

The term Secularism as defined when applied first was separation of Religion from Politics and allow people to practice their faiths independently without interference from either the rulers or other faiths. This is what Hindu-s have been following since millenea, when Parsi-s exterminated or converted to Islam in Persia landed in Gujarat Coast, or the Arabs before advent of Islam or afterwards were given all facilities by various Kings of Kerala and the oldest Mosque set up in Kodungallur still exists with the appearance like a typical Kerala House, or when Thomas came to Kerala to spread Christianity, he was received and the Malankara Orthodox Christians form a substantial number from the first Century AD compared to Catholic Christianity started after 300 years.

 

Hindu-s have been practising Secularism in its real sense. But the term has been prostituted by Politicians esp. Congress to destroy Hindu Temples, Temple properties, Hindu Marriages and families and now Hindu educational institutions by denying opening of new educational institutions by Hindu Groups but allowed for so called minorities. e.g. Muslims amnd Christians control over 90% of Schools, Colleges and Professional institutions in Kerala and Hindu-s have to either pay heavy donations to get admissions or go out of the State for studies. 

 

Do you think Secularism is properly defined and practised in India? Neither the term Minority has been defined so far in spite of Supeme Court asking the Govt. to do so soince over two decades?

From: shadi katyalsearch <shadi...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Satbir ji,

It is true that majority of Hindus wish to live in peace and when majority tells you by voting that they are secular ,a

minority wishes to create problems for the nation.

The present ruling classes and scams has nothing to do with Hinduvata.What you were asking was to balkanise the nation and now

You are repeating the word Ram Rajya which Gandhi used to rpeat and thus drove the Muslims to ask for Pakistan.Can you and other writers explain what we know of such word and how we wish to transform our nation into such kingdom.l Keep in mind that history does repeat itself and we are on that path again.

Shadi

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[devinde...@btopenworld.com]

Kumar Ji. This is a cynical Indian non sense. I can quite categoriclly say that she was not in England as a poverty driven polish menial woman.but one of the thousands who came to learn English.. This only goes to show our own callous disregard for reality, particularly  our well known attitude towards our own daughters in law whom we do not approve and  would go to any length to belittle them as much as we can.  Regards Devinder Thakur.  

From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
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I think she is ethnic Polish and not Italian, Stefano having migrated fom Poland to Orbassano, bordering Switzerland and the children born there during the WWII and all the Nazi disturbances and poverty. famine..etc. I have seen a letter written by a close friend connected to KGB to Indira Gandhi and it mentions of her Polish origin.

 

Well, it is normal for most of the students fom India taking courses in UK, NZ, Australia or other developed Countries to supplement thei income to subsidize their studies which is the ultimate goal.

 

But in case of Edviga Albino Antoania Maino, it was poverty that drove mkost of these Polish girls to seek menial jobs in Western Europe or UK for a living and her attending a fly by night English spoken Course was only to help her interact with the customers and education was not her primary objective as you or other Indian aspirant aim to. 

From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com>
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:05 PM
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Kumar Ji, An Italian woman who goes to London to learn English has to do a job under Home Office rules either as an au-pair with a family or at a bar or a restaurant.but she was, not a professional barmaid. I should mention that I was for a time a part time barman myself besides doing a day job when I was saving hard to complete my studies and go to India to get married. Would you in all honesty call me a professional barman. The reality is that she married the son of the then Prime Minister of India and became the very popular daughter in law of the first family and that should be her starting point and her starting credentials. After that what happened is for all to see.

 

On the other hand Baba Ram Dev Ji is a professional Yoga teacher and earns his living by doing yoga. Of course, he can become a professional politician if he wanted to but he has to come and face the cut and thrust of the politics and not by sitting on a stage and making all kinds of noises.Once a full time politics people will soon forget about him as a yoga teacher and start remembering him as Right Honourable Baba Ram Dev MP from Rohtak. etc and judge him as that. Devinder Thakur 

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Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012, 17:06
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>>Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward>>

 

If an Italian barmaid serving food and liquor in the Canteen of Cambridge University, without primary education could run the Country of 1.2 billion Indians, why should the well trained Yoga teacher with patriotism to the Country aspire to rule India?

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:10 PM
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Arun ji,

It is very interesting that how you wish to bring the retired Army officers and form a new party based on Nazi system thus controlling the lives of citizens and govt run by army officers. Have you thought for one second that if India wanted Army rule like Pakistan or even China it would have done so decades ago. It could have done when
Indira Gandhi brought Emergency.

Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward. Did you hear what he has to say about abolition our Parliamentary system . Can you explain me if his views along with yours are to push India out of World village and go back to stone age.;

On one side you wish to clean the house which everyone wants but on other side you wish to bring New Reich in due time. I suggest first form a party and write first you platform which in a way you have given some idea in one of your letters. What about Education, Technologies  etc. Is Baba Ram Dev going to lead your party or will it be ANNA or Modi ji.
Regards
shadi

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:20 AM
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May I request all the Patriots who are pessimist about "Hindu-Rashtra" be also considerate about the
process that we will have to go through? Is it not well understood that the Nehru and his family had been

breaking the back bone of the nation piece by piece? Why does any one expect ultimate change of India
to Bharat-Varsh to Hindu-Rashtra in one election? Should we not tell nation to first be ready to accept

a set of new of leaders other than congress, BJP, SSP, SP, JD, JDU, ADMK, blagh blagh blagh? We shall 
take time in explaining the process of replacement, win their heart and their vote in the next election.

The line of action should be to find a willing, qualified, deserving, candidate for a MP from the group of retired
military personnel. If we just take first step honestly and transparently, the result will produce the second step,
the third step and so on automatically. As a matter of fact, restoring the respect of the majority of Hindus,
is more important and crucial in transforming India into Hindu-Rashtra. What majority of Hindus will decide
is an important factor than assuming today and the end result of tomorrow. We all know, Hinduism in it's 
current form is totally different than our roots in Sanatan Dharma. What Baba Ramdev ji is telling the nation, 
should have been told by united Hindu leaders during & after Nehru to unite Hindus. Nehru kept dividing and 
Hindus kept tolerating. Obviously, Baba Ramdev understood the The Vedic Philosophy much better than so called 
Sankaracharyas in four corner of India. There has been an inbuilt process of evolution in the nature. The science 
of religion must also adopt the evolution and help humanity. Almost every religion has tried to adopt the change 
except Islam and only handful of other fanatics . 

With great regards to each one of you, I would like you to focus upon the very first step that is to eliminate the 
corrupt MPs once for all from Delhi and clean the house of Bharat-Mata in coming general election.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun 

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From: ssbed...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:53:55 -0700

Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Kumar ji,
 
I agree with you but I am awaiting a reaction from Arunji.  He, I hope, would surely respond.
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:16 AM
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Satbirji!! 

No elected Govt. would agree to declare India s a Hindu State due to our democratic process and Hindu-s divided into different sects 
and groups from Brahmins to Valmiki-s, the Politicians interested in perpetuating and augmenting the differences so that Hindu votes 
would remain split.
Moreoever, among Hindu-s there are many traitors working against Hinduism for personal gains., and this has been the main reasons 
why India was under foreign occupation subjugating Hindu-s for Centuries.
A ray of hope is Swami Ramdev, whose movement has millions as followers and if he forms a Political Party with main intention to 
remove Congress and Corruption and bring back the stashed funds abroad, perhaps the support base would be substantial and Congress 
could be defeated as it has happened in UP. We could not blame NDA fo non-fulfilment of the BJP agenda-s as there was sti\ff opposition 
from other constituents on Ram Mandir and other Hindu issues and we had the traitor Brajesh Misra dictating and implementing policies 
supporting SOnia throughout NDA period.
Anna Hazare is dilly dallying for supporting Baba Ramdev and he does not want to lose his secular image projected earlier. Now, Ramdev 

has declared that he would allow Sadhvi Rithambra to share the stage and we do not know the Ramdev-Anna rift whether it would widen.

We should all strive to prepare a Manifesto for the Hindu Party- to force BJP to adopt as restoration of all temple properties to the temples 
as at the time of partition and also restoration of management of temples to the Religious trusts managed by Hindu-s with no interference 
by Govt. Thousands of Crores of Rs. are looted annually by every State Govt. from Hindu Temples and diverted to fund Haj Travels, 
travel to Bethlehem, construction of mosques and Churches..etc. all these years.
Perhaps Arunji might also agree with me that a draft Election Manifesto

might be jointly prepared and discussed in this group before

finalisation and sent to RSS for adoption in the interests of Hindu-s and Swami Ramdev too would definitely support the same.
Sonia has several dossiers on BJP leaders up her sleeves and promptly uses them through CBI as we have seen the timing of Bangaru 
Lakshman's conviction in a matter of hours after Bofors issue was raised in the Parliament.

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:22 AM
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Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,
 
I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support
the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs
who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is
concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.
 
Regards,
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM
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Dear Vasant ji:

How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?

With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
 
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From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM
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You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that
we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.

V. S. Sardesai

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>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM

> 
>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,
>
>
>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position
within government. 
>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my
>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, 
>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?
>
>
>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least
>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?
>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. 
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>
>
>__________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700
  From: nag...@yahoo.comSubject: 

  Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Dear Kumar ji:
>
>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from 
>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, 
>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, 
>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own 
>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow 
>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future
generation.
>  
>
>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote 
>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   
>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. 

>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   

__________________________________________________________
>From: kuma...@hotmail.com

  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000

  Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for
>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 
>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?

>Best regards,

>Kumar Arun

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>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700
From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: 

Re: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 
>
>
>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 
>We all
must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 
>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.
>
>
>God bless Bharat

>Tr.   

__________________________________________________________
>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Shri Lal Gehi ji,

>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.
>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready
>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300
years ago and that will make more sense.
>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.

>Kumar Arun

__________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: 
Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us
>
>a chance to
dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in
>
>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 
>
>
>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!
>
>
>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class,
they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?
>
>
>Respectfully,
>
>
>Kumar Arun

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>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com

  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100

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Kumar Ji, An Italian woman who goes to London to learn English has to do a job under Home Office rules either as an au-pair with a family or at a bar or a restaurant.but she was, not a professional barmaid. I should mention that I was for a time a part time barman myself besides doing a day job when I was saving hard to complete my studies and go to India to get married. Would you in all honesty call me a professional barman. The reality is that she married the son of the then Prime Minister of India and became the very popular daughter in law of the first family and that should be her starting point and her starting credentials. After that what happened is for all to see.

 

On the other hand Baba Ram Dev Ji is a professional Yoga teacher and earns his living by doing yoga. Of course, he can become a professional politician if he wanted to but he has to come and face the cut and thrust of the politics and not by sitting on a stage and making all kinds of noises.Once a full time politics people will soon forget about him as a yoga teacher and start remembering him as Right Honourable Baba Ram Dev MP from Rohtak. etc and judge him as that. Devinder Thakur 

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Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012, 17:06
Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>>Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward>>

 

If an Italian barmaid serving food and liquor in the Canteen of Cambridge University, without primary education could run the Country of 1.2 billion Indians, why should the well trained Yoga teacher with patriotism to the Country aspire to rule India?

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Arun ji,

It is very interesting that how you wish to bring the retired Army officers and form a new party based on Nazi system thus controlling the lives of citizens and govt run by army officers. Have you thought for one second that if India wanted Army rule like Pakistan or even China it would have done so decades ago. It could have done when
Indira Gandhi brought Emergency.

Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward. Did you hear what he has to say about abolition our Parliamentary system . Can you explain me if his views along with yours are to push India out of World village and go back to stone age.;

On one side you wish to clean the house which everyone wants but on other side you wish to bring New Reich in due time. I suggest first form a party and write first you platform which in a way you have given some idea in one of your letters. What about Education, Technologies  etc. Is Baba Ram Dev going to lead your party or will it be ANNA or Modi ji.
Regards
shadi

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Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Kumar ji,
 
I agree with you but I am awaiting a reaction from Arunji.  He, I hope, would surely respond.
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 
Satbirji!! 

No elected Govt. would agree to declare India s a Hindu State due to our democratic process and Hindu-s divided into different sects 
and groups from Brahmins to Valmiki-s, the Politicians interested in perpetuating and augmenting the differences so that Hindu votes 
would remain split.
Moreoever, among Hindu-s there are many traitors working against Hinduism for personal gains., and this has been the main reasons 
why India was under foreign occupation subjugating Hindu-s for Centuries.
A ray of hope is Swami Ramdev, whose movement has millions as followers and if he forms a Political Party with main intention to 
remove Congress and Corruption and bring back the stashed funds abroad, perhaps the support base would be substantial and Congress 
could be defeated as it has happened in UP. We could not blame NDA fo non-fulfilment of the BJP agenda-s as there was sti\ff opposition 
from other constituents on Ram Mandir and other Hindu issues and we had the traitor Brajesh Misra dictating and implementing policies 
supporting SOnia throughout NDA period.
Anna Hazare is dilly dallying for supporting Baba Ramdev and he does not want to lose his secular image projected earlier. Now, Ramdev 

has declared that he would allow Sadhvi Rithambra to share the stage and we do not know the Ramdev-Anna rift whether it would widen.

We should all strive to prepare a Manifesto for the Hindu Party- to force BJP to adopt as restoration of all temple properties to the temples 
as at the time of partition and also restoration of management of temples to the Religious trusts managed by Hindu-s with no interference 
by Govt. Thousands of Crores of Rs. are looted annually by every State Govt. from Hindu Temples and diverted to fund Haj Travels, 
travel to Bethlehem, construction of mosques and Churches..etc. all these years.
Perhaps Arunji might also agree with me that a draft Election Manifesto

might be jointly prepared and discussed in this group before

finalisation and sent to RSS for adoption in the interests of Hindu-s and Swami Ramdev too would definitely support the same.
Sonia has several dossiers on BJP leaders up her sleeves and promptly uses them through CBI as we have seen the timing of Bangaru 
Lakshman's conviction in a matter of hours after Bofors issue was raised in the Parliament.

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From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,
 
I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support
the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs
who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is
concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.
 
Regards,
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

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From: Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Vasant ji:

How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?

With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
 
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From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that
we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.

V. S. Sardesai

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>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM

> 
>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,
>
>
>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position
within government. 
>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my
>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, 
>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?
>
>
>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least
>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?
>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. 
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>
>
>__________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700
  From: nag...@yahoo.comSubject: 

  Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Dear Kumar ji:
>
>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from 
>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, 
>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, 
>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own 
>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow 
>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future
generation.
>  
>
>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote 
>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   
>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. 

>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   

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>From: kuma...@hotmail.com
  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000

  Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for
>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 
>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?

>Best regards,

>Kumar Arun

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>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700
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Re: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 
>
>
>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 
>We all
must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 
>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.
>
>
>God bless Bharat

>Tr.   

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>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Shri Lal Gehi ji,

>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.
>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready
>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300
years ago and that will make more sense.
>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.

>Kumar Arun

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>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: 
Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us
>
>a chance to
dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in
>
>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 
>
>
>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!
>
>
>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class,
they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?
>
>
>Respectfully,
>
>
>Kumar Arun

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>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com
  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100

  Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

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I

" Leaders of Congress have been proved guilty by court , Baba Ram Dev in NOT"

 

I think I am missing something here. Can you please name the Congress leders who have been proved guilty by the court? There is iffernce between accused and guilty.

One Banaru Laxman is the first leader who  has recently been convicted of bribery and imprisoned but he is not a Congress man.??

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On the other hand Baba Ram Dev Ji is a professional Yoga teacher and earns his living by doing yoga. Of course, he can become a professional politician if he wanted to but he has to come and face the cut and thrust of the politics and not by sitting on a stage and making all kinds of noises.Once a full time politics people will soon forget about him as a yoga teacher and start remembering him as Right Honourable Baba Ram Dev MP from Rohtak. etc and judge him as that. Devinder Thakur 

Yes, Baba Ramdev is not a politician, but he has every right to speak out in the betterment of Bharat, as a Bharati. 

Baba Ramdev is neither corrupt politician, nor corrupt leader of Congress. Why do we not talk about corrupt leaders of Congress, and other political parties, who are hurting our country with corrupt, practices. !

Leaders of Congress have been proved guilty, by court. Baba Ramdev is NOT. ! 

 

Is it a crime, in India, to speak against corruption and black money ?! 

Tr. 

[satbir singh]

Well, Mr. Narasimha Rao who was the Congress party Prime Minister of the country when he became ex-PM, was held guilty by the lower Court on charges of corruption in Hawala case but was let off by the higher court.  Then there was Sukh Ram, the Communications Minister from Congress party who was held guilty on corruption charges.  I do not know whether he too went in appeal and was released by the higher court or not.  The first case of involvement of a Congress Minister for corruption was the Mundhra Case brought to light by a Congressman, Firoze Gandhi and Mr. TT Krishnamachari, the Congress party Finance Minister had to resign.  One Deputy Minister from Congress party was held for contempt of Parliament as he had taken money from a firm in connection with answering a Parliament question.  I do not remember the name of that Deputy Minister.  However, it is a well known fact that all the parties have corrupt leaders with the Communist parties having the least number of corrupt people.  Would you like to vote for the Communist parties?  There are so many of them.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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I
" Leaders of Congress have been proved guilty by court , Baba Ram Dev in NOT"
 
I think I am missing something here. Can you please name the Congress leders who have been proved guilty by the court? There is iffernce between accused and guilty.
One Banaru Laxman is the first leader who  has recently been convicted of bribery and imprisoned but he is not a Congress man.??

>________________________________

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>
>On the other hand Baba Ram Dev Ji is a professional Yoga teacher and earns his living by doing yoga. Of course, he can become a professional politician if he wanted to but he has to come and face the cut and thrust of the politics and not by sitting on a stage and making all kinds of noises.Once a full time politics people will soon forget about him as a yoga teacher and start remembering him as Right Honourable Baba Ram Dev MP from Rohtak. etc and judge him as that. Devinder Thakur 
>
>
>Yes, Baba Ramdev is not a politician, but he has every right to speak out in the betterment of Bharat, as a Bharati. 
>
>
>Baba Ramdev is neither corrupt politician, nor corrupt leader of Congress. Why do we not talk about corrupt leaders of Congress, and other political parties, who are hurting our country with corrupt, practices. !
>
>
>Leaders of Congress have been proved guilty, by court. Baba Ramdev is NOT. ! 
>
> 
>Is it a crime, in India, to speak against corruption and black money ?! 
>
>
>Tr. 
>
>
>

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There is nothing wrong with what Baba Ram Dev is doing and there is no reason why he should join politcs.if that is not his aim but his methods and targets are questionable. This calls into question his own personal credibilty and the seriousness of the  campaign.

 

If I was Baba  Ram Dev, I would have shown more serious approach and become a full fledged pressure group.but all he is doing is making a lot of noises and no one in authority seems to be listening. Devinder  

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Yes, Baba Ramdev is not a politician, but he has every right to speak out in the betterment of Bharat, as a Bharati. 

Baba Ramdev is neither corrupt politician, nor corrupt leader of Congress. Why do we not talk about corrupt leaders of Congress, and other political parties, who are hurting our country with corrupt, practices. !

Leaders of Congress have been proved guilty, by court. Baba Ramdev is NOT. ! 

Is it a crime, in India, to speak against corruption and black money ?! 

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Kumar Ji, Let us get this straight. Personally, I have a lot of sympathy with Bngalaru Laxman that he was caught on the wrong foot. He can still appeal against the conviction or the harshness of the prison sentence.

However, The name of Mr Laxman was mentioned in the context of corruption and the difference between the accused and the convicted.There are many Congress men or the UPA allies who have been accused and some of them are even presently standing trials but until a conviction is obtained, they remain innocent until proven guilty.

 

That is the difference. Regards Devinder

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Devinderji!!

 

Why are you joining the bandwagon supporting the indictment of Bangaru Laxman?

The conversation clearly states the Tehelka man saying "this small token gift of Rs.1 lakh is for the Party fund". True the cash was accepted but for the Party and he did not commit any crime.

 

If Owaisi publicly declared in TIMESNOW programme gthat he paid Congress Party Rs.500 Crores to tide over the July 22 Vote of Confidence as he did not want BJP to come to power, was there any enquiry on this open admission? Even the so called upright Somnath Chatterjee did not appoint an impartial Commission to investigate the source of Cash tossed about in Lok Sabha? If Ahmed Patel and Amar Singh were directly involved in the night run in SUV carrying cash visiting many MP-s to buy them out as reported, was there any investigation to find the truth?

 

Jayaprada while visiting the ailing AmarSingh in hospital during the investigations, revealed that ]if Amar Singh opens his mouth, the entire Congress edifice will collapse. Did even media had the inquisitiveness to get further clarification from Amar SIngh. Pethaps Amar Singh is under threat of getting eliminated if he opened his mouth on this matter!!

 

Bangaru has not committed any crime for personal benefit or carried out any step to recommend the fictitious Co. for defence purchases, though there was oral assurance. But does the conversation prove commission of the crime?

 

UPA wanted to hit back BJP immediately after the Bofors uproar based on Chitra Subramaniam's revelations and the soft target was Bangaru as BJP leadership had deserted him 10 years back on this issue. Did anybody think of prosecuting Tehelka for offering bribe for Defence orders?

 

Congress has been receiving election funds from all business houses and such donations were also legalised later. Recently Ajit Pawar was caught carruing Rs.3 Crores for Vidarbha Elections and the matter was let off under instructions from Ahmed Patel to Maharashtra Govt.? Was it not a crime to carry funds to be used to bribe for votes?

 

Devinderji, I feel it is a shame that thetruth and justice are not supported and revealed and actual criminals are shielded and let off by UPA and sadly you too support such exonerations!!

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[Trishool]

" Leaders of Congress have been proved guilty by court , Baba Ram Dev in NOT"

 

I think I am missing something here. Can you please name the Congress leders who have been proved guilty by the court? There is iffernce between accused and guilty.

One Banaru Laxman is the first leader who  has recently been convicted of bribery and imprisoned but he is not a Congress man.??

Leaders of Congress have been proved guilty, by court. Baba Ramdev is NOT. !  

I don't want to waste my time in arguments with you. Read the news in Indian media. 

 IT IS SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BABA RAMDEV JI, DOES NOT BELONG TO ANY POLITICAL PARTY, NOR HE IS A POLITICIAN, LIKE, CORRUPT POLITICAL LEADERS IN CONGRESS.

Tr.   

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[Trishool]

Kumar ji, 

I have given two examples from our Hindu scriptures, that Sati was NOT our culture, nor Hindu traditions.  Hindu scriptures teach, SARIRASYA RAKHA, PERMO DHARMAH ( protection of thy body, is thy prime duty )

1.  When Raja Dashrath dies, none of his queens perform Sati act. 

2.  In Mahabharta, many soldiers died in war, there is no example of Sati either. 

Regards, 

Tr. 

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The note on the practice of Sati by Romila Thapar and comments on by well known historian Kalavai Venkat of Indian Civilisation group/

......Sati

The earliest evidence for Sati,[124] claims our historian (Romila Thapar), occurs in Eran[125] in AD 510, and as usual fails to provide any references. It is imperative to discuss at length how far off the mark Thapar has been on this subject matter.

This practice was found across several cultures even from the Mesolithic settlements. While discussing the Early Bronze Age cultures of Italy , Mallory tells us[126] about the Tomb of the Widow that offers evidence for the burial of the wife, when her warrior husband died. The same was noticed in the Southeastern Europe as well.[127] Now, let us turn our focus to the historical times. Strabo[128] says that the Greeks under Alexander noticed this practice being observed in Punjab . Yet, the most vivid recordings of this practice come from the Sangam Tamil literature. Evidently, a woman either joined her husband in his funeral pyre or burial urn, or led the austere life of a widow comparable to that of an ascetic. Most cases of Sati are  spoken of in the martial context. It can be argued that when the king died not only his queen[s], but also his attendants committed sati. A queen chastises the courtiers for not [apparently] performing sati and tells them that she would rather join her beloved husband in the pyre than lead the spartan life of a widow. Not for her, says she, is the life of a widow who eats one meal of rice mixed with gingili oil and
neem leaves, and who sleeps on the bare floor. May you not commit sati, the queen tells the courtiers, rather sarcastically, but for me the cold water of the lake is not different from the fire of the pyre.[129] And the very next song confirms that she did commit sati.

Another Tamil woman implores the potter to make her husband's burial urn large enough to hold the widow as well.[130] Tolkappiyam[131] says that the highest glory that a woman can aspire for is to join her husband's funeral pyre. Those ethos were emulated not only by the common women, but even Kambar, who appeared towards the end of the first millennium AD seems to have regarded sati quite highly, for he lets Mandodhari die at the battlefield once Ravana had fallen. N. Subramaniam has suggested[132] that even the great sage Tiruvalluvar alludes to the glory of a woman who performs sati. Manimekhalai has an interesting narrative[133] where the chaste Adhirai wrongly concludes that her trader husband had died and attempts to commit sati, but the fire refuses to engulf her. Then her husband returns and they live happily ever after! It is reflective of the belief of the social milieu that a chaste wife is the one who protects her husband.

A woman wasn't always allowed to commit sati. A Sangam song says[134] that after her son's father departed, the widow's head was tonsured and her bangles were removed. Then onwards, lily with rice became her staple food. So, scholars have argued[135] that those women, who had children, were rather expected to observe widowhood than commit sati. Interestingly, Manusmriti[136] doesn't prescribe sati even for those widows who have no offspring. It expects them to lead an ascetic life of honor. Its prescriptions, barring the tonsuring of a widow, are very similar to the descriptions of a widow's life that one finds in the Sangam poetry. It is evident that the wives of the deceased themselves looked down upon the plight of a widow, who had to tonsure her head, and rather thought of sati as a glorious option.[137] G. L. Hart draws[138] our attention to the prescriptions of Skanda Purana, which includes even the tonsuring of the widow; he points out that Skanda Purana's injunctions regards the vows of a widow exactly match the social mores of ancient Tamilnadu.

Why then, does Thapar falsely claim that sati is evidenced only in AD 510? Ignorance? None would doubt that. Is it also because this augments the usual Marxist rhetoric that the Gupta era supposedly led to the ascendancy of the Hindu orthodoxy, and hence the marginalizing of the woman, an ideal recipe that "could have" resulted in sati? In the same page, Thapar claims that with sati in place, the emerging debate over widow remarriage "could've been" nipped! Elsewhere,[139] she claims that cattle raids were very common in Peninsular India , and alleges that the commemorative stones depicting sati were meant to cultivate a heroic ethos in defense of the settlements not protected by the royal army! She provides no evidence. In the Marxist scheme of things, any Indian war has to be a "cattle raid" and practices like sati have to be reduced to utter banality. If she were right, then what does one do with all those instances of the women of royal households committing sati? Tonsuring of the widows continued even till a few decades ago among the Brahmins of Tamilnadu. The Brahmins are not known to have participated in the battlefield, until mid medieval times. Was this tonsuring of the Brahmin widows too a practice aimed at cultivating heroic ethos for defense against "cattle raids"?

Even during the Sangam times, sati was more an ideal than common practice. In every instance where it occurred, the widow performed sati willingly. The internal references in the poems regards the spartan living of the widows is abundant proof that most widows took to ascetic living. For all practical purposes, it was only the royalty that took to sati. This was practiced on a large scale only during the times of Islamic invasions. The Rajput women embraced the funeral pyre of their husbands, to avoid being raped and ending up in the harem of the Islamic aggressors.

The Leftist historians, to whitewash the Islamic culpability, have often tried to project sati as a retrograde Hindu religious practice, which it wasn't. In fact, Manusmrti,[140] even prescribes the duties of a widow, but has no word on sati. No other Hindu law book either. Barring inevitable exceptions, it is evident that the women, who performed sati, did so joyfully. Friar Jordanus,[141] the Christian missionary, observes succinctly sometime in the early 1300s AD: "In this India, on the death of a noble, or of any people of substance, their bodies are burned; and eke their wives follow them alive to the fire, and, for the sake of worldly glory, and for the love of their husbands, and for eternal life, burn along with them, with as much joy as if they were going to be wedded; and those who do this have the higher repute for virtue and perfection among the rest. Wonderful! I have sometimes seen, for one dead man who was burnt, five living women take their places on the fire with him, and die with their dead." Despite his contempt for the Hindus and his missionary zeal, he was honest in his observation that sati wasn't forced....

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Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

What is this if not another example of perversity of mind in misinterpreting or distorting what Dr. Ambekar has written? Has Dr Ambekar in anyway justified the custom of Sati or tried to sweep it under the rug?   V. S. Sardesai --- On Mon, 30/4/12, shadi katyalsearch <shadi...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: shadi katyalsearch <shadi...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 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Dave(ReformIndia)" <smdav...@yahoo.com>, "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>, "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>, "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>, "Vasant Sardesai(ReformIndia)" <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>, "Sri Gautamji (VHP)" <vhpin...@gmail.com>, "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>, "Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia)" <skan...@gmail.com>, "Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA)" <grd_...@yahoo.com>, "Col R Sundar(India)" <crsu...@gmail.com>, "Satish Dewan (Colonel)" <cold...@gmail.com> Date: Monday, 30 April, 2012, 2:27 AM It is a shame that instead of facing the truth about sati or present bride burning and abortions of girl fetus should be acknoleged as basic drawbacks in our customs and thinking but just by a single stroke of such writing one tries to sweep under the rug and start writing and condemning free thinkers.;Unless we face our drawback and try to reform ourselves and face the truth, we cannot escape. Was it not the British and free Hindu thinkers who raised the voice against Sati. shadi From: Madhukar Ambekar <madhukar...@me.com> To: devinde...@btopenworld.com Cc: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; shadi katyalsearch <shadik...@yahoo.com>; Trishool <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stopcorruption group(worldwide) <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; H.K Bhargava(ReformIndia) <hk.bh...@yahoo.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; "Kalyan Raman, Dr. (Kerala)" <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; "Anil K Sarkar, MD (Indiana)" <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Vasant Sardesai(ReformIndia) <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com>; Satish Dewan (Colonel) <cold...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:04 PM Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?   Devinder Ji Problem with the adversaries of Hindu Dharma always link every think like "Sati" and other "Rituals" to Hindu Scriptures and not to the followers of "selfish" adventures under the dictates  of Hindu scriptures. It is pity that Intellectuals in this forum still abuse such system on to the followers of Hindu Dharma. Dr. Ambekar.

On 28 Apr 2012, at 16:50, devinde...@btopenworld.com wrote:

Dr Ambekar Ji, It no fault of our religion.Nowhere has Hindu religion said that we should make a wife die with her husband or kill a bride who can not bring the dowry that we expect.  These are the problems created by living in an organised or not so organised a society.with medieval mindset. Such problems do not exist in enlightened societies.   I suspect that  you are talking about the recent video of Mr Singhvi. Strictly speaking both Mr Singhvi as well as his partner are considered as the officers of the court but their chambers are not considered the court's premises but their own private offices where they receive clients and give legal advice etc  It is arguable whether some form of sexual activity between the two consenting officers of the court could take place in their private chambers ? It is not.clear whether they would still be considered to be on duty or not when in their chambers. . I suspect the answer would be "No" because they hire the premises on rent.and give advice for a fee.   If one of the lawyers indulging in sexual misadbventure happens to be a public figure then there are other implications like probity in public life, and whether the state secrets etc have been compromised. The famous case of Profumo -v-Chritine Keller comes to mind.  Regards Devinder Thakur.

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On 28 Apr 2012, at 08:02, devinde...@btopenworld.com wrote:

Kumar Ji, Thanks for giving us the historic perspective to the women dying with or after their vanqueshed husbands death. You will agree that there is some difference between a voluntary jumping in the fire (pyre) to save the honour and virtue as against an act brought about by a collective persuasion and then declaring the dead woman a "Sati".In the modern day law, it will be regarded as culpable homicide. How right you are in your thinking YES it is culpable Homicide BUT Does Hindu scripture advocate such an act as "Sati"? If  people or Rulers or Social Leaders arrange such an act is that the fault of Hindu Dharma. There are scrupulous people even today. Do you blame the Law for that OR the people who commit such acts? Scandalous act of the Congress worker was found to be in the Chambers of Law office BUT the Discussion on NDTV was as what Happens in one's BED ROOM is one's own concern. What are your thought on this or do you think it is my source and you have no comment. Dr. Ambekar.  Regards Devinder Thankur

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Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Mythologically, Sathi was practised when the widows jumped on to the burning pyre due to inseparable attachment and devotion to "Pathi" or husband and these women were Pathivrata-s, who believed to be with their husbands in life and death.   Historically, the practice of Sati started with Muslim invasion of India when several widows had no alternative but to burn themselves to avoid being "touched" by the abhorrent Muslim invaders- abhorrent to Hindu-s they being beef eaters and treat women like animals for their pleasure.   Have you ever analysed why Sathi has been practised only in Rajasthan and contiguous parts in Haryana, Madhya Pradesh and northern parts of Gujarat? Why is that Sathi has never been practised in the Southern peninsula? This has never been a "Hindu custom" which otherwise would have been observed all over India!!   The brunt of Islamic attacks and plunders, rapes of women was born by border States like Punjab and Rajasthan and the Rajastani women esp. widowed during the wars with Muslims often resorted to "Jauhar" or burning themselves in groups tpo avoid getting caught by Muslims.   It is a different matter that the rulers of Rajasthan offered their women to Moghul rulers or Nawabs, more due to the force of circumstances as otherwise the horsemen with swords were ready to carry them away!!   To call Sathi a practice of Hinduism is absurd to to extrapolate the mythological stories to support this theory is still atrocious.

From: shadi katyalsearch <shadi...@yahoo.com>

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Why is asking questions become a mud slinging issue.It is easy to find excuses and blames but facts cannot be denied and covered under words like mud slinging or if you are Hindu??? It is true that bride burning is not our custom and culture in Hinduisms but like Sati of the past it has spread like proverbial wild fire. What is being done to end this. Shadi

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Lal Gehi Ji, There is no question of slinging mud on the Hindu religion and its traditions. The discussion is about modernity of a nation as against its  backwardness.  'Sati' was a social and economic problem and a quick solution to fix it. It existed in some Samajs in India but was a ghastly practise just the same.  Regards Devinder

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by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has been in existence for the past say fifty odd years.  Thakur Sahib,  If you are a Hindu, you must know, that : You are talking about social evils.  THE SOCIAL EVILS ARE NOT HINDU TEACHINGS, NOR HINDU TRADITIONS, AND HINDU CULTURE.   1. When Raja Dashrath dies, none of his queen performs Sati Pratha.  2. In Mahabharata, war, many Hindu soldiers died, but there is no example of Sati Prath, there also.  3. I am sure, ( If you are a Hindu ), you must know, that Sati pratha is legally banned in India, since British rule.   Please stop spreading mud on Hindu traditions.

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Mr Kumar Arun, Sometime last year you announced your arrival by uttering words to the effect that you have not joined this link to waste your time but  do or say something purposeful.for our motherland.and its inhabitants..   I saw some light of a shinning star on the horizon. But very soon you were talking the same language that every one else.was using i.e our past greatness, our rich history and our ancient Vedic culture.and so on.    India may be an old culture and its inhabitants may be the most civilised people but it is only a young nation, born in 1947.. Since then this young nation has been  searching for an identity for itself. Should it be a modern and progressive nation, playing its useful part in the comity of nations, in the field of education, science and technology or should it be a nation looking backwards, basking in its past glory and .moving towards its cherished goal of adopting Vedic life style. Unless and Until we have solved this dilemma,we as a nation do not know whether we are coming. or going.    A modern mindset is one that emerges from enlightenment.by modern knowledge.  How much  our enlightenedd mind has changed is evident from the shocking findings of a recent Unicef survey which discovered 57 per cent of adolescent boys and 53 per cent of adolescent girls in India believe husbands have the "right" to beat their wives. Many of our people or the regions which did not experience the "Enlightenment" of modernity have acquired a gloss of modern minds but stuck in feudal, superstitious past. The social, cultural or even political behaviour, we exhibit a medieval minset.with modern day trappings.A foreign ruler had to legislate against the most evil social practise that we adopted to solve the social and economic problem of a woman who had lost her bread winner , by persuading her to jump on the burning pyre of her dead husband.and gave her the exalted status of a "Sati" We still burn whenever we can, a bride who falls short of our dowry expectations although the legislation has been in existence for the past say fifty odd years. The people in India still illegally use ultrasonography to facilitate female foeticide. astrologers  still fix marriages through caste and planetary calculations , though often using computers . Elections are based wholly on caste , community and religion.   We can not simply legislate modernity in our existence when half of us are not sure whether we want to be modern or not. It would be even more difficult to do so in India where the wheels of justice often take decades to start turning. We elect politicians with dubious credentials and hope that they will become modern day saints when in power.    We can only hope that our much vaunted "soft power" i.e our "bhel puri" and "gol guppa" culture together with the knoweldge based communication tools  will yank our people's minds and attitudes to the 21st cetruy thinking". Regards Devinder Thakur

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Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of' larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive.  If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being  biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure! I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way. Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted. This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice. This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable.  Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please? Respectfully, Kumar Arun

From: devinde...@btopenworld.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.              10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.

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From: grd_...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700 Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . . 1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free. 2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police. 3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%. 4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those      with 90% get out because of merit. 5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money      to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a      poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day. 6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that      we eat, are sold on the footpath. 7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous. 8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges      alone take several years to be completed.

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Shri Bhagwat ji, Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest, willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up. I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India.  The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired  military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to  receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum necessary cost for running the campaign. I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However, when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them  or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and  many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question. Respectfully, Kumar Arun

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800 From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in

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Namaskar!                                 I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad.  IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF  MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM  THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial  appointee, PM must drop him.   This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.   Bhagwat Goel

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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700 From: lalh...@yahoo.com

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I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji,  80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others.  Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus.  Tr.

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

To All Participants; We must keep our thoughts alive and alert that no matter how we plan to achieve our goal to take back British created  India towards the The Vedic Bharat, the philosophy of Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Budhism, Jainisim, and several others will have to be adjusted in new Bharat (Hindu Rashtra). One must not assume and express that Hindu Rashtra means exclusion of all people who believe in faith other than Sanatan Dharma. My vision is simple, all other religion will exist  under the Hindu Rashtra and they will have freedom to practice their faith only but they should not have any reservation  in schools, jobs & politics, etc,. The criteria for reservation will be determined based only on  economic ground. The so called minority will have no choice but to follow the The Vedic traditions that would be embedded in the new constitution  of Bharat. I will be very grateful if you please send your comments on this issues also. Respectfully, Dr. Kumar Arun India Heritage Foundation Michigan (USA) PS: Please scroll down to read some of my thoughts that was expressed before which you may not have read it. Thanks.

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From: kuma...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ? Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000 Dear Fellow Patriots of India, I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined  for a constructive discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject, we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you. Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean BJP or get out to form a separate establishment. The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below: Respectfully, Dr. Kumar Arun Michigan (USA) April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST

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From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic. Next thing is to draft amendments. Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved. Next is to enforce that constitution. Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom. But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world. Other things can be done later after the above things. There should not be two separate law systems in one country. The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed. One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics. jai sri krishna! -sv

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On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON  SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND  PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES. Bhagwat Goel

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DEAR SIR, I AM NOT INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT IS NOT RIGHT. IN CASE YOU HAVE BEEN  INSTRUMENTAL IN CORRECTING AT LEAST ONE WRONG PRACTICE, PLEASE INFORM ME HOW YOU HAVE MADE THE CHANGE. REGARDS, AMARJIT SINGH --- On Sat, 28/4/12, devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com> wrote:

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I have given some thought to your request and although my own brother in law (popularly known as the hero of Kargil) has retired recently as the Deputy Chief of Army Staff, unfortunately, he is not inclined  to join politics. I therefore suggest that you contact the outgoing General V K Singh who is already being wooed by the BJP and is also personally known to Baba Ram Dev and formally invite him by placing your proposal of India of your dreams and through him many other equally honest and deserving serving or retired army personnel 

 

I think you need to hurry up as he is going to vacate by the end of next month. You can contact him through the Army Headquarters, New Delhi  Regards Devinder Thakur

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Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012, 16:59
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

For whatever reason, not understood by me, this group mail comes to me in different set and form. I am sure

you have missed my reply in which I have expressed clearly to relocate myself in India to work as 

a grass root worker to start the revolutionary reform together with retired military personnel. 

That is why I am in the process of collective diversified views on this very subject passionately. Please do help 

me to connect to any and all retired military personnel you know.

Once I have support of at least few dozens such people, I will be ready to pack by baggage and fly to India with 

great enthusiasm indeed. In other words, I am in preparation of the very basic foundation of the long struggle 

through the internet from here. I need every one's honest feedback if they believe in the plan and thinks it is 

worth trying together. Although I know you are in opposition, but even your feedback is equally important. 

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

From: devinde...@btopenworld.com
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:13:29 +0100
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Mr Kumar Arun, Thanks for circulating the various comments that you have received in response to your call for our honest opinion and also your expressed desire to devote the rest of your life to the service of our mother country we all love. The cyber nation of Hindus is unanimous in recognising you as their leader  who will show us the kindly light towards the betterment of our country and the welfare of atits people. You have however declined a suggestion to move to India. Then please do tell us how is it that you are going to serve Bharat for the rest of your life.from Michigan. USA 

 

I think the time has come that you issue a blue print of what is it that you wish us to do next and what is your agenda. You want to change the constitution but do not specifically say what is it that you want to change  and what is it that you want in its place. You want the present political dispensation removed because they are in your opinion "traitors" but do not say who will replace them. You did however, indicate that you would prefer some retired army personnel  to take up the positions vacated by the so called "traitors  because they are disciplined but hopefully, you do not recommend a military take over of the country.  Also please tell us how do you propose to ensure that the disciplined  army personnel will all be honest.and above board and will deliver the kind of leadership that we need. Also please tell us what role do you see for India within the international community or do you see us develop in isolation??

 

Regards

Devinder Thakur.

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Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012, 1:17
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Dear Ladies & Gentleman,

Please stay focussed on the subject and it's related issues which is to sweep the traitors (most MPs) in Delhi.

We must find a way to defeat Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul regime. I am willing to devote rest of my life in working

on the project I have laid down before each one of you to ponder and advise. I am looking for your honest

opinion, and if you agree then your full support. In the end of the day, it is your prerogative and deep desire

that will bring any change in the present system. We all love our country, spend many hours thinking about the

corrupts who are taking our nation & it's culture to slippery down fall, we must change the course of direction.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun  

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Satbir Ji:

                            HOW CAN A HINDU BE AN ATHIEST BECAUSE HINDUISM/SANATAN DHARMA IS NOT A RELIGION AS WE KNOW WITH ONE PROPHET,ONE BOOK WHO EXCLUDE REST OF HUMANITY. WE ARE NATURE LOWERS AND ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW 'dharma'.

 

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Sent: Monday, 30 April 2012 2:27 PM
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Sanjeev ji,

 

My creed which is atheism is expanding even faster than Islam.  According to statistics, nearly 1500 million people all over the world are now saying that they do not believe in any religion.  46% of French people say so. This figure also includes 360 million Buddhists who are atheists.  You do not worry.  I would not become a Muslim.  Actually many Muslims have become atheists but they fear to disclose this.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi 

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Satbir ji,  
 
Big figures will always frighten you.  But there is no choice.  It is not in your hand.
You may be a tolerant person but the other creed is not tolerant and wont leave you
alone till you follow his ideals.  So the only choice before you is to become muslim
or ensure that this option ceases to exist. It is as simple as that.
 
Sanjeev

--- On Sun, 29/4/12, satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us

a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in

India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 

If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!

I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

From: devinde...@btopenworld.comDate: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

             9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.
 
           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.

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From: grd_...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700
Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India

HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . .

1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free.

2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police.

3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%.

4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those 
    with 90% get out because of merit.

5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money 
    to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a 
    poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day.

6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that 
    we eat, are sold on the footpath.

7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous.

8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges 
    alone take several years to be completed.

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Shri Bhagwat ji,

Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest,
willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up.

I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military

back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will
be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India. 

The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired 
military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to 
receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even
crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum
necessary cost for running the campaign.

I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However,
when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night
for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them 
or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and 
many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800
From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Namaskar!
 
                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. 
IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF 
MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM 
THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial 
appointee, PM must drop him.
 
This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.
 
Bhagwat Goel
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700
From: lalh...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 

80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. 
Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 

Tr.    

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

To All Participants;

We must keep our thoughts alive and alert that no matter how we plan to achieve our goal to take back British created 
India towards the The Vedic Bharat, the philosophy of Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Budhism, Jainisim, and several others
will have to be adjusted in new Bharat (Hindu Rashtra). One must not assume and express that Hindu Rashtra means
exclusion of all people who believe in faith other than Sanatan Dharma. My vision is simple, all other religion will exist 
under the Hindu Rashtra and they will have freedom to practice their faith only but they should not have any reservation 
in schools, jobs & politics, etc,. The criteria for reservation will be determined based only on  economic ground. The so
called minority will have no choice but to follow the The Vedic traditions that would be embedded in the new constitution 
of Bharat. I will be very grateful if you please send your comments on this issues also.

Respectfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun
India Heritage Foundation
Michigan (USA)

PS: Please scroll down to read some of my thoughts that was expressed before which you may not have read it. Thanks.
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From: kuma...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000

Dear Fellow Patriots of India,

I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined 
for a constructive discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject,
we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to
stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you.

Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help
but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent
majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have
been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for
me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean BJP or get out to form a separate establishment.
The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince
a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from
civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate
for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below:

Respectfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun
Michigan (USA)
April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST
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From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.

Next thing is to draft amendments.

Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.

Next is to enforce that constitution.

Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.

Other things can be done later after the above things.

There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.

jai sri krishna!
-sv
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On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON 
SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND 
PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.

Bhagwat Goel
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Suresh Vyas

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Sanjeev ji,

 

Do not worry.  Soon the rationalist would get rid of the fanatics as the new dawn of enlightenment approaches.  They would become fearless also as their number increases.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 2:41 PM
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Satbir ji,
 
I am also atheist but they are not well organised.  Just a handful of fanatics can
hold ransom the whole silent majority (as can be seen in Pakistan).  That is my
concern.  Even in bollywood movies you must have seen handful of villains terrorising
the whole crowd and nobody comes forward to save the innocent person which has to
be done by a hero !  Joke apart, it reflect the reality.
 
Sanjeev

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Sanjeev ji,

 

My creed which is atheism is expanding even faster than Islam.  According to statistics, nearly 1500 million people all over the world are now saying that they do not believe in any religion.  46% of French people say so. This figure also includes 360 million Buddhists who are atheists.  You do not worry.  I would not become a Muslim.  Actually many Muslims have become atheists but they fear to disclose this.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi 

From: sanjeev kulkarni <jeevku...@yahoo.com
To: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>; media_m...@yahoogroups.com

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Satbir ji,  
 
Big figures will always frighten you.  But there is no choice.  It is not in your hand.
You may be a tolerant person but the other creed is not tolerant and wont leave you
alone till you follow his ideals.  So the only choice before you is to become muslim
or ensure that this option ceases to exist. It is as simple as that.
 
Sanjeev

--- On Sun, 29/4/12, satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

To: "Suresh Vyas" <skan...@gmail.com>
Cc: "Durgashanker Nagda" <nag...@yahoo.com>, "vasant sardesai" <Date: Sunday, 29 April, 2012, 10:48 PM

 

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us

a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in

India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 

If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!

I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

From: devinde...@btopenworld.comDate: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 

             9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.
 
           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.

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From: grd_...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700
Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India

HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . .

1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free.

2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police.

3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%.

4. Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those 
    with 90% get out because of merit.

5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money 
    to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a 
    poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day.

6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that 
    we eat, are sold on the footpath.

7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous.

8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges 
    alone take several years to be completed.

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Shri Bhagwat ji,

Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest,
willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up.

I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military

back ground. I understand that dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will
be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India. 

The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired 
military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to 
receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even
crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum
necessary cost for running the campaign.

I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However,
when they win, they will decide to chose a leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night
for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them 
or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and 
many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question.

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800
From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Namaskar!
 
                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. 
IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF 
MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM 
THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial 
appointee, PM must drop him.
 
This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.
 
Bhagwat Goel
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700
From: lalh...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 

80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. 
Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 

Tr.    

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

To All Participants;

We must keep our thoughts alive and alert that no matter how we plan to achieve our goal to take back British created 
India towards the The Vedic Bharat, the philosophy of Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Budhism, Jainisim, and several others
will have to be adjusted in new Bharat (Hindu Rashtra). One must not assume and express that Hindu Rashtra means
exclusion of all people who believe in faith other than Sanatan Dharma. My vision is simple, all other religion will exist 
under the Hindu Rashtra and they will have freedom to practice their faith only but they should not have any reservation 
in schools, jobs & politics, etc,. The criteria for reservation will be determined based only on  economic ground. The so
called minority will have no choice but to follow the The Vedic traditions that would be embedded in the new constitution 
of Bharat. I will be very grateful if you please send your comments on this issues also.

Respectfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun
India Heritage Foundation
Michigan (USA)

PS: Please scroll down to read some of my thoughts that was expressed before which you may not have read it. Thanks.
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From: kuma...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000

Dear Fellow Patriots of India,

I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined 
for a constructive discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject,
we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to
stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you.

Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help
but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent
majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have
been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for
me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean BJP or get out to form a separate establishment.
The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince
a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from
civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate
for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below:

Respectfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun
Michigan (USA)
April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST
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From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.

Next thing is to draft amendments.

Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.

Next is to enforce that constitution.

Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.
But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh world.

Other things can be done later after the above things.

There should not be two separate law systems in one country.
The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.
One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.

jai sri krishna!
-sv
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On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON 
SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND 
PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR VOTES.

Bhagwat Goel
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Suresh Vyas

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Dr Ambekar Ji, No religion, certainly not Hindu religion will teach a wife that she must die with her deceased husband. These are the evil practises followed by the medieval society with emphasis on wrong values i.e.  on family honour, sexual morality and other meaningless social virtues but not on human life. There is also an economic element to this practise. A woman who has lost her husband is at once seen as a financial burden on the rest of the family and so on. Regard Devinder 

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Devinder Ji

Problem with the adversaries of Hindu Dharma always link every think like "Sati" and other "Rituals" to Hindu Scriptures and not to the followers of "selfish" adventures under the dictates  of Hindu scriptures. It is pity that Intellectuals in this forum still abuse such system on to the followers of Hindu Dharma. Dr. Ambekar.

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Shadi Ji, You are dead right. In India we are obsessed with one thing only. i.e. the rich versus the poor and who was born with a silver spoon in the mouth and so on. The reason being our own poor economic background and our awe with wealth. .. In Europe and Americas, the concept is of a "nice man" People accept you for what you are and the emphasis is on your good behaviour, good manners and descent demeanour. I think Mrs  Sonia Gandhi fulfils the latter criteria very well.

 

In spite of her white skin and foreign origin, the real bugbear is that she is a formidable political opponent and has more credibility than any of the Hindu leaders. and they can not wait to see her out of the way.That is why they are always trying to run her down. Regards Devinder

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Devinder ji

I for one has been baffled by such remarks as Bar maid etc. as it has been said before. Is this what our Manu Samirit has taught us that we should look down at anyone we donot like . Is this not the cause of our discrimination of other human beings whom we now call Dalit /untouchable etc. After all these years and educaion has changed nothing. We are the most closed mind nation and try to put people down.
Yes I know there are people like that and we had one who wrote the nastiest letter to some engineer who was laid off and was working at McDonald and was addressed by him Hai Bhangi did you clean the toilets while working there.This is how we respect others. We al;l have worked at various jobs while going to universities here and yet except in India we have never been looked down.
Here is a good example as I came during the worst foreogm exchange conditions of India , there was limited amount you could get if you needed and to avoid all I worked various jobs in summer as we were not paid in that period. Yes I worked at farms, gas station and even an orderly at the hospital. Nurses and Drs respect us more because we were not professionals but graduate students. This close mind of our educated class shows that class system in our society can never end.. Yes I am proud of working and learning on such jobs. The very first summer i worked at 3 jobs which paid my boarding and food plus gave me a financial security as I came with $400 with me.

My simple question is that what a Yogi teacher can do which all these intellectuals have failed except writing negative letters or is that they wish to hide between the truth of their inability to take any action and let some one else do it. It is matter of confidence and both Baba Ram Dev and Anna has shown it.

I wonder if calling names and looking down on Sonia past makes people feel good or is is a cover up .
Regards
shadi

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[satbir singh]

Shadi ji,

 

BJP is also prevented from doing many things for Hindus because of its coalition partners like JD(U).  However, Congress led UPA Govt. is continuously appeasing the Muslims for vote bank purposes. It is another matter that Muslims did not vote for them but voted for SP.  So, some of the grievances of Kumar ji are right.  Let there be no appeasement and everybody including the Muslims treated with equality.  Hindus should be given minority status in those States where they are not in majority like J&K, Punjab, Nagaland, Meghalaya, etc.

 

I was only telling Kumarji that Baba Ramdev is not going to win elections and he would only divide Hindu votes.  So, it is better to vote for BJP which is likely to win elections this time because of the mismanagement created by the Congress led UPA Govt.  Of course, I admit that BJP too suffers from the diseases from which Congress suffer but let us choose the lesser evil.  At least, let us change the horses and try BJP once again.

 

I have written umpteenth time to the govt. and fellow members that we should amend our Constitution on the pattern of USA but nobody is listening.  I think that our Constitution makers should have adopted USA's system of governance rather than UK's system of governance.  Of course, it is upto the people to act.  Of course, I believe in the dictum, for the form of Govt. let fools contest, whatever is best administrated is best. For that, we have to change our national character.  It is not that easy.  Somebody more powerful than me has to come forward and build our national character. British people ruled over us simply for the reason that they were having a national character and were not guided by personal interests.

Robert Clive and Warren Hastings did indulge in corruption but they were tried and they had to commit suicides despite the fact that both of them had done so much for building British empire.  Such things happen in England but not here in India.  Here, the corrupt people go scot free.

 

Satbir 

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Satbir ji,

Every one haws his/her own definition of secularism. Similarly Govt is using its own and thus the confusion.

We are well aware that vote banks all over the nartion by all parties were established long time back and thus every ruling party continued to play the same game.

Did NDA/BJP stopped Haj subsidy during its rule? If not why?

Did NDA/BJP done anything for the Pandits of Kashmir if not why?

This continuous barrage of Hindu temples decimated and masjids built on same places or on top with same materials. You need proof go to Qutab Minar and look at the stone of that Minar. Would you like to destroy that and if you look down there is a temple. Look at the noses and defacing of Apsras. All this happened when they rules us ,converted us and even married into Hindu families. There is a whole history of such atrocities but how do you wish to change. Did we not learnt anything from Babri Episode or 1994 Bombay killings.

It is evident that some of people think to burn India as it is today and create same situation as we had at time of partition. I continuously read nothing but such hopeless crying letters while forgetting that one cannot go home again or call childhood back. Time to be pragmatic and work for the betterment of Motherland .

Your own petition for Hindu India has shown you that Hindus living in India did not support you. It is same at election and unless system of election is not changed, the nation will move on same old rickety way.

Changes in election system like the USA will have people power and not party power and I dont see anyone working for such changes except same old cry. Work with grass roots and let people know what it means to be

have your own PERSONAL elected MLA>MP etc.

Shadi

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I was only telling Kumarji that Baba Ramdev is not going to win elections and he would only divide Hindu votes.  So, it is better to vote for BJP which is likely to win elections this time because of the mismanagement created by the Congress led UPA Govt.  Of course, I admit that BJP too suffers from the diseases from which Congress suffer but let us choose the lesser evil.  At least, let us change the horses and try BJP once again. 

I partly agree with Satbir ji, 

Baba Ramdev is not interested in party politics. He has said clearly, that any party, which works to solve the issues, he has mentioned, he will welcome their efforts, that includes congress and BJP. 

It seems no major party is interested in solving the black money and corruption issue. They are all interested in mud slinging on each other, for grab of power, but none is sincerely interested in the issues which need immediate attention.

Trishool      

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THE TRUTH IS ETERNAL. 

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A Hindu can be an atheist or theist depending upon whether he believes in God or not. Dharma is different from the religion.   V. S. Sardesai --- On Mon, 30/4/12, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

[satbir singh]

My dear Dr. Arun Kumar and other Hindu brothers,

 

I had acted in haste in demanding a Hindu Rashtra.  So, please avoid being rash like me and think about the following points before you press for a Hindu Rashtra:

 

1. What would happen to J&K State which is a Muslim majority state?  How you would fit it into a Hindu Rashtra?

2. What would happen to Punjab where according to official estimates, there is a Sikh majority and there are 60% Sikhs there?  You may like me say that Sikhs are part of Hindus but many Sikhs who form the majority of Sikhs consider themselves as belonging to a separate religion.  How would you fit them into a Hindu Rashtra?

3.  There are some States like Nagaland, Meghalaya, Mizoram etc. which have Christian majority?  How would they be treated in a Hindu Rashtra.

4.  There are States like Kerala and Goa which have substantial Christian population.  Kerala also has a considerable Muslim population with one or two of its districts being Muslim majority districts.  How would you adjust them?

5.  Lastly, as my wife belongs to UP, so I know that there are some districts like Moradabad, etc. which have Muslim majority and I understand that Murshidabad in West Bengal is also a Muslim majority district.  How you would treat such districts?

 

I wish you all the success in your endeavour but please consider the above points before arriving at a decision.

 

Thanks and Regards,

 

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Satbir ji,

I just replied to you what I felt and you are well aware that my views are very different and open. I donot fall under the pressure of anyone being a free thinker and humanity comes first than any thing. It is unfortunate that world has changed completely since we were in schools or even after partition. we failed to pass Uniform Code Bill and Rajiv with his intefearnce in  Shah Bano case made the things more sticky.
similarly we let the congress Govt in power pass Hindu code bill which I feel should be scraped as it binds only the Hindus where as other communities can play with their own religious bill. Many Hindus have converted to have 2nd wives whereas in our shastras we read every Raja had few wives.So in a way we had been our own worst enemy and now with fundamentlist on both sides I see the fabric or our nation being torn apart.
Lackof education and enlightenment withmindset doesnot help.
Dr. Arun Kumar has his own agenda and all my suggestions had been thwarted as I could not bend or bow to his dictates and thus he refuses to even reply my letters. More power to him. He has good intentions but as they say the way to hell is paved with good intentions. I have nop idea what his background is except he is another fundamentalist and feel that new Messiah Baba Ram Dev will leaad him to his goal.He I understand is doctor of medicine. I did write about Gandhi/s mantra of Ram Rajya and how Muslims hated the very word and yet  he likes Gandhi which I think of India's curse I wish him luck.

It is unfortunate that instead of progress in India we are sliding back as spending more and moree time on religious issues . You might have seen my letter about Sindhy Hindus living in Jaipur and want citizenship. Iwrote that let us not make as a Hindu issue in genral and have ready been quetioned. If we keep running after every issue with religious tint we will have many Gujrats soon.Even today many thouand familia re still living in tents. We have to
either get ready for the biggest Blood bath or try to keep our emotions under control.

Regards
shadi

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You have not replied to my question as to why she did not become the Prime Minister of the country when the mandate was given to her and not repeat not to Manmohan Singh.  You are only giving a standard reply that she is the President of the Congress Party while Manmohan Singh is the Prime Minister but all the people in the country know in their hearts of heart that Manmohan Singh is merely her puppet and it is she who is the de facto Prime Minister.  Then why she is not becoming the Prime Minister and facing the responsibilities.  You have simply stated that we are genetically corrupt people and population and poverty will remain.  Then why have a Govt. at all if people are to remain as they are?  A Govt. is one who sees to it that people are reformed and ruled and made to work honestly. Otherwise what for are the CBI and police and other such agencies.  You say that we are genetically corrupt.  Then you admit that you and I are also corrupt and in fact all the people in this group are corrupt.  If all the people are corrupt then this group may be wound up and we need not discuss corruption.  I find your answer very unsatisfactory.  Do you know something about the age of Ashoka the Great and also know that in his rule nobody could indulge in theft  Then how we became genetically corrupt?And why cannot we control our population?We can do it but there should be a will.  Where there is a will, there is a way.  And why are you giving unnecessary importance to Manmohan Singh. All the people except you know that he is a dummy Prime Minister and people have given him no mandate to rule the country.  Why are you silent about Sonia's abdication of her responsibility by not taking over as the Prime Minister of the country?  People have voted for her and her son to lead the country.  Everybody knows it except you.

 

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The brief answer to your question is that we hold her responsible and also accountable for all those areas of activity which are not proper to the President of the Congress party Central Headquarters and not is she personally responsible for ny of them.. The division of responsibilities is that she manages the affairs of the party, the filling of the posts and winning of elections while the Manmohan Singh administration is responsible for the day to day running of the administration including the bringing of Kala Dhan, and many other welfare schemes.The reason why many things have not moved fast is because of  what Vajpayee Ji said was the coalition Dharma .
 
The corruption in the country is a disease which is eating into the fabric of the society and we are all responsible as we are all "Genetically" corrupt.people. It will take a long time to eradicate with education but more importantly changing the home culture of the people. The same goes for the increase in population, poverty alleviation  and so on..  Reg Devinder

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>I have already stated that she must have been very clever and intelligent to have got married to the son of a Prime Minister.  Otherwise also, there is no harm in marrying a barmaid if she fits one's standards of quality of being a wife.  However, while I am not against her being a barmaid and all that, I do not agree with her policies of appeasing the Muslims and her policy of starting so many welfare schemes when her own husband is on record to have stated that 85 paise out of every rupee earmarked for welfare schemes go into the pocket of politicians and bureaucrats.  She has failed to act on economic reforms and these welfare schemes have given rise to so much of corruption.  She has not fully eliminated the quota, license, permit raj and this is the drawback of her policy.  Moreover, she had done nothing to get black money back from Swiss banks which makes her a suspect in the public eye.  She has also failed to punish those congressmen who
>were guilty of massacre of Sikhs.  She has also allowed criminalisation of politics by giving tickets to those persons against whom criminal cases are pending.  It is true that other parties have also not done anything to stop criminalisation of politics but then she is in power and much more is expected of her.  She has failed to instruct the President of India who is from Congress party to clear the Mercy petitions quickly thereby allowing terrorists a lease of life.  Most importantly, she has done nothing to control the ever growing population of the country which is the need of the hour.  She seems to be more interested in winning elections than solving the problems of the nation.  I am saying all this because we at present cannot blame opposition parties as they are not in power but it is she who is in power.  Then she had created diarchy in the sense that she is the de facto Prime Minister of the country while Manmohan Singh is the de jure
>Prime Minister of the country so that there is confusion as to who actually governs the nation.  And most important point is why she is not becoming the Prime Minister of the country thereby abdicating her responsiblity or else why she is not asking her son, Rahul Gandhi to become the Prime Minister.  People have not voted for Manmohan Singh.  He could not even win his own Lok Sabha election.  So, she should stop this drama and either assume office of the Prime Minister herself or ask her son to take over as Prime Minister of the country.  If her foreign origin is raised let her fight the battle in the supreme court but why have a person who does not a b c of the politics to become Prime Minister of the country.

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>Satbir Ji, Nobody was bothered about her marrying the Pilot son of the then PM of India. Her misfortune started when the Congress which was in a bad shape and had no possibility of winning anything under Sita Ram Kesri. approached her and invited her to take over the reins of the Congress Party. I am sure that the Congress did not approach her as a professional  barmaid but some one who was capable of doing something  better for the party. After that what happened is for every one to see.
> 
>The present position is that she has proved a formidable political adversary and a thorn on the side of the opposition parties. . A woman who can beat Sushma Swaraj by a huge majority can not be without the kind of credibility.that she enjoys. I can dare say that she has more credibility than any one in the opposition. It has therefore become incumbent that she be discredited in whatever way is possible. If, however,  tomorrow she declares that she had had enough and wanted to retire, I have no doubt that she would be left alone in  no time.  Regards Devinder. ,

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>>Barmaid is actually the essence of every poetry.  Omar Khayyam says, "Come fill the cup and in the fire of spring, let the winter garment of repentance fling.  The bird of time has a little while to fly and Lo! the bird is on the wings."  Of course, she must have been a very clever and intelligent woman to get married to the Prime Minister of the country.  As for me, I would not have minded marrying a bar-maid if she was beautiful.  At least I could get drinks free.
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>>Satbir Singh Bedi

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I have already stated that she must have been very clever and intelligent to have got married to the son of a Prime Minister.  Otherwise also, there is no harm in marrying a barmaid if she fits one's standards of quality of being a wife.  However, while I am not against her being a barmaid and all that, I do not agree with her policies of appeasing the Muslims and her policy of starting so many welfare schemes when her own husband is on record to have stated that 85 paise out of every rupee earmarked for welfare schemes go into the pocket of politicians and bureaucrats.  She has failed to act on economic reforms and these welfare schemes have given rise to so much of corruption.  She has not fully eliminated the quota, license, permit raj and this is the drawback of her policy.  Moreover, she had done nothing to get black money back from Swiss banks which makes her a suspect in the public eye.  She has also failed to punish those congressmen who were guilty of massacre of Sikhs.  She has also allowed criminalisation of politics by giving tickets to those persons against whom criminal cases are pending.  It is true that other parties have also not done anything to stop criminalisation of politics but then she is in power and much more is expected of her.  She has failed to instruct the President of India who is from Congress party to clear the Mercy petitions quickly thereby allowing terrorists a lease of life.  Most importantly, she has done nothing to control the ever growing population of the country which is the need of the hour.  She seems to be more interested in winning elections than solving the problems of the nation.  I am saying all this because we at present cannot blame opposition parties as they are not in power but it is she who is in power.  Then she had created diarchy in the sense that she is the de facto Prime Minister of the country while Manmohan Singh is the de jure Prime Minister of the country so that there is confusion as to who actually governs the nation.  And most important point is why she is not becoming the Prime Minister of the country thereby abdicating her responsiblity or else why she is not asking her son, Rahul Gandhi to become the Prime Minister.  People have not voted for Manmohan Singh.  He could not even win his own Lok Sabha election.  So, she should stop this drama and either assume office of the Prime Minister herself or ask her son to take over as Prime Minister of the country.  If her foreign origin is raised let her fight the battle in the supreme court but why have a person who does not a b c of the politics to become Prime Minister of the country.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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Satbir Ji, Nobody was bothered about her marrying the Pilot son of the then PM of India. Her misfortune started when the Congress which was in a bad shape and had no possibility of winning anything under Sita Ram Kesri. approached her and invited her to take over the reins of the Congress Party. I am sure that the Congress did not approach her as a professional  barmaid but some one who was capable of doing something  better for the party. After that what happened is for every one to see.
 
The present position is that she has proved a formidable political adversary and a thorn on the side of the opposition parties. . A woman who can beat Sushma Swaraj by a huge majority can not be without the kind of credibility.that she enjoys. I can dare say that she has more credibility than any one in the opposition. It has therefore become incumbent that she be discredited in whatever way is possible. If, however,  tomorrow she declares that she had had enough and wanted to retire, I have no doubt that she would be left alone in  no time.  Regards Devinder. ,

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>Barmaid is actually the essence of every poetry.  Omar Khayyam says, "Come fill the cup and in the fire of spring, let the winter garment of repentance fling.  The bird of time has a little while to fly and Lo! the bird is on the wings."  Of course, she must have been a very clever and intelligent woman to get married to the Prime Minister of the country.  As for me, I would not have minded marrying a bar-maid if she was beautiful.  At least I could get drinks free.
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>Satbir Singh Bedi
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[satbir singh]

Sanjeev Kulkarni in our group is also an atheist Hindu.  Karunanidhi is also an atheist Hindu.  There are so many atheist Hindus.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

[satbir singh]

Barmaid is actually the essence of every poetry.  Omar Khayyam says, "Come fill the cup and in the fire of spring, let the winter garment of repentance fling.  The bird of time has a little while to fly and Lo! the bird is on the wings."  Of course, she must have been a very clever and intelligent woman to get married to the Prime Minister of the country.  As for me, I would not have minded marrying a bar-maid if she was beautiful.  At least I could get drinks free.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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[devinde...@btopenworld.com]

The brief answer to your question is that we hold her responsible and also accountable for all those areas of activity which are not proper to the President of the Congress party Central Headquarters and not is she personally responsible for ny of them.. The division of responsibilities is that she manages the affairs of the party, the filling of the posts and winning of elections while the Manmohan Singh administration is responsible for the day to day running of the administration including the bringing of Kala Dhan, and many other welfare schemes.The reason why many things have not moved fast is because of  what Vajpayee Ji said was the coalition Dharma .

 

The corruption in the country is a disease which is eating into the fabric of the society and we are all responsible as we are all "Genetically" corrupt.people. It will take a long time to eradicate with education but more importantly changing the home culture of the people. The same goes for the increase in population, poverty alleviation  and so on..  Reg Devinder

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India is NOT a Islamic republic either, Congress, and political parties, must stop promoting and pampering Muslims, in the name of secularism, and democracy. ! 

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

It is true that secularism is not being implemented in India as per its definition.  Secularism means that State would have nothing to do with religion.  However, Congress led UPA Govt. is appeasing the Muslims for getting their votes.  Moreover, Hindus should be declared a minority in J&K, Nagaland, Meghalaya, etc. as well as Punjab. Moreover, it is known to everybody that Govt. has done nothing for the Kashmiri Pandits. Moreover, during Muslim rule, many temples were converted into mosques but they cannot now be converted into temples for Hindus.  That is why I was asking for a Hindu Rashtra but now I am not so keen on creation of a Hindu Rashtra because of various problems like what would happen to J&K which is Muslim majority State, What would happen to Christian majority states like Meghalaya, Nagaland etc. and what would happen to Punjab where Sikhs are in majority.  However, Kumar ji and other people have genuine grievances about Hindu religion being not taken care of by Congress led UPA Govt.  So, let all of them vote for BJP which says that it represents Hindu interests and has a chance of winning the elections.  Ram Dev Baba is not likely to win the elections.  He would only divide Hindu votes.  So, let Kumar ji and other vote for BJP in the next elections and watch for the results.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:29 PM
Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Shadiji!!
 
Secularism as practised in India is anti-Hinduism and pro-minorityism. Rob Peter and pay to Paul is the policy followed by the Congress under so called secularism. Why should the Govt. take away all the income of the Hindu temples donated by devotees for the upkeep, running and expansion of temples in the name of Secularism, since 1950-s when Nehru introduced the anti-Constitutional Hindu Religious endowments bill? Are Hindu-s to pay for Haj Travels of lakhs of Muslims or as Samuel Reddy introduced, Chrsitian pilgrimages to Bethlehem? Is it Secularism? Even J&K Govt. a Muslim State takes away all income of the Amarnath and Vaishnodevi temples running to a few thousand Crores and do not provide even minimum facilities like oads and shelters for pilgrims!!
 
CM Krishna as CM of Karnataka spent over 80% of the income from temples for non-Hindu purposes as for Muslims and Christians, who in turn are flush with funds received from Saudi and Iran, and Missionaries all over the developed Countries!! So are many Congress Ruled States like Andhra or Maharashtra!! Many temples have closed down for want of funds to run the daily pooja-s.
 
The term Secularism as defined when applied first was separation of Religion from Politics and allow people to practice their faiths independently without interference from either the rulers or other faiths. This is what Hindu-s have been following since millenea, when Parsi-s exterminated or converted to Islam in Persia landed in Gujarat Coast, or the Arabs before advent of Islam or afterwards were given all facilities by various Kings of Kerala and the oldest Mosque set up in Kodungallur still exists with the appearance like a typical Kerala House, or when Thomas came to Kerala to spread Christianity, he was received and the Malankara Orthodox Christians form a substantial number from the first Century AD compared to Catholic Christianity started after 300 years.
 
Hindu-s have been practising Secularism in its real sense. But the term has been prostituted by Politicians esp. Congress to destroy Hindu Temples, Temple properties, Hindu Marriages and families and now Hindu educational institutions by denying opening of new educational institutions by Hindu Groups but allowed for so called minorities. e.g. Muslims amnd Christians control over 90% of Schools, Colleges and Professional institutions in Kerala and Hindu-s have to either pay heavy donations to get admissions or go out of the State for studies. 
 
Do you think Secularism is properly defined and practised in India? Neither the term Minority has been defined so far in spite of Supeme Court asking the Govt. to do so soince over two decades?


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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:54 PM

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Satbir ji,

It is true that majority of Hindus wish to live in peace and when majority tells you by voting that they are secular ,a
minority wishes to create problems for the nation.
The present ruling classes and scams has nothing to do with Hinduvata.What you were asking was to balkanise the nation and now
You are repeating the word Ram Rajya which Gandhi used to rpeat and thus drove the Muslims to ask for Pakistan.Can you and other writers explain what we know of such word and how we wish to transform our nation into such kingdom.l Keep in mind that history does repeat itself and we are on that path again.
Shadi

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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:52 PM

Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,
 
I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs
who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.
 
Regards,
 
Satbir Singh Bedi


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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Vasant ji:
How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?

With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
 

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From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>
To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stopcorruption Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.

V. S. Sardesai

--- On Fri, 27/4/12, Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

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>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM
>
>
> 
>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,
>
>
>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position within government. 
>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my
>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, 
>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?
>
>
>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least
>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?
>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. 
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>
>
>__________________________________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700 From: nag...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Dear Kumar ji:
>
>
>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from 
>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, 
>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, 
>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own 
>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow 
>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future generation.
>  
>
>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote 
>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   
>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. 
>
>
>
>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
> 

>Hari OM The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.
> 
>
>
>________________________________

>
From: kuma...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000 Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? 
>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for
>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 
>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?
>Best regards,
>Kumar Arun
>
>
>________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700 From: lalh...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 
>
>
>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 
>We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 
>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.
>
>
>God bless Bharat
>
>
>Tr.   
>

>________________________________
>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Shri Lal Gehi ji,
>
>
>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.
>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready
>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 years ago and that will make more sense.
>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.
>Kumar Arun
>
>________________________________

>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700 From: lalh...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?

>
>
>________________________________
>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us
>
>a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in
>
>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 
>
>
>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!
>
>
>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?
>
>
>Respectfully,
>
>
>Kumar Arun
>
>________________________________
>

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Satbir Ji, Nobody was bothered about her marrying the Pilot son of the then PM of India. Her misfortune started when the Congress which was in a bad shape and had no possibility of winning anything under Sita Ram Kesri. approached her and invited her to take over the reins of the Congress Party. I am sure that the Congress did not approach her as a professional  barmaid but some one who was capable of doing something  better for the party. After that what happened is for every one to see.

 

The present position is that she has proved a formidable political adversary and a thorn on the side of the opposition parties. . A woman who can beat Sushma Swaraj by a huge majority can not be without the kind of credibility.that she enjoys. I can dare say that she has more credibility than any one in the opposition. It has therefore become incumbent that she be discredited in whatever way is possible. If, however,  tomorrow she declares that she had had enough and wanted to retire, I have no doubt that she would be left alone in  no time.  Regards Devinder. ,

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She did not become the PM as it would have been an unprecedented move and she would have met with such fierce opposition from all sides that it would have been impossible for her to function.even for a day.  She read the writing on the wall.

 

Moreover, she did what a good mother does for her children. She kept the space vacant for her son. Whether he will make or not is another debate.

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Kumar Ji, Where have I said that she did not want to be a PM. What she, however, did say to the press was that her party had  the required 272 seats in the Parliament.

 

What I have said is that she did not become the PM as she saw some obvious dangers in it. Her party men were begging her but she was the one who hid behind her inner voice. The inner voice was the writing on the wall.and she would have met her "Cheer Haran" much sooner than was expected. Life would have become impossible for her. She would have seen tonsured heads all over the Parliament and many Congressmen leaving the party an forming another. As it is, life is not easy for her. The CIA agent, Bofor scandel, the 40 Billion milking of Bharat, barmaid by profession, loose in moral conduct, poor family background and what else have you.

 

Dr Swamy as usual went off the tangent and raised the issue of the absence of double citizenship agreement with Italy. which was not relevant at all.  

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Devinderji!!,

 

As usual you are adept to twitsing the events in an attempt to exonerate Sonia of her attempts to become the CM.

 

When she announced earlier that she is meeting the President(Kalam) to form the Govt. and REPLIED TO THE MEDIA SHE WOULD BE LEADING THE TEAM(AS PM), Kalam gave her the time to meet him with the team proposed the next day.

 

In the meantime, Dr.Swamy wrote to Klam and spoke to him that if she is to b the PM of the Country, he would approach the Supreme Court to nullify the order. the reason was the reciprocity of the rights oif citizens of the two Countries and an Indian born citizen of Italy would not be eligible to become even a local body member and so Sonia cannot hold the post of PM as there is no parallel rule in Italy.

 

Kalam told Sonia to postpone the meeting, had a talk with Dr.Swamy and when Sonia came with the team of MP-s, told her that her appointment as PM is likely to be challenged in Court due to absence of prallel Italian eligibility for born Indian citizens there. She had to relent and then called Manmohan SIngh and got him accepted as the PM.

 

There was no sacroifice as was published widely in the media and she was forced to abandon her attempt to be PM of India.

 

She did what a good mother would do for a son- a rapist of the innocent girl Sukanya asking for some help and refusing to meet her and her mother when they waited for an interview at her house. A potential PM in waiting a rapist and  smuggler of millions of US$ currency into US and arrested by FBI at Logan Airport!!

 

I know you will ask for proof again. Can you explain ahy Rahul Gandhi could not visit U.S. after the 2004 incident at Logan airport so far, except accompanying his mother under diplomatic cover? FBI case against him is still not closed and he might be arrested any time he lands at any US airport by FBI.

 

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She did not become the PM as it would have been an unprecedented move and she would have met with such fierce opposition from all sides that it would have been impossible for her to function.even for a day.  She read the writing on the wall.
 
Moreover, she did what a good mother does for her children. She kept the space vacant for her son. Whether he will make or not is another debate.

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[satbir singh]

I fully agree with you, Mr. Suresh Vyas.  If I want to serve the country, I would not be asking everyone but would be acting on my own.  It is not through such groups that you can approach the people.  Dr. Kumar Arun had to go before the people most of whom do not know English and explain his stand and seek their votes if he wants to do Desh Seva.  He had to approach them speaking in Hindi or any other language that they understand.  I am not doing it because I do not have the capacity to do so.  So, if Dr. Arun really wants to do Desh Seva, he should not depend on any retired military officer but come forward and explain his stand before the people of the country by organising meetings, etc.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: FW: How do we align our constitution ?

Dharma sevaa or raashtra seva or maanav seva is open to all; any any one needs to actively jump in it. No need for an agent in between. When one begins doing seva single-handedly, support comes and supporters also join; enemies also will come to frustrate. So, one has to be steadfast. Any retired military person can do it too. No voting required.

jai sri krishna!
-sv

On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

                   ( Please stay close to the subject, do not digress from the ongoing discussion)

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Fellow Patriots,

I have explained the process of reform in my previous mails, please scroll down and read them. Shri Bhagwat ji 

one line explanation differentiating Hindu Rashtra with Hindu State gives a short & sweet answer to Satbirji question.

I am regretfully stating that my proposal to "retired military personnel" didn't receive any support. I personally

approached many of such individuals but none of them even replied to my request to participate in the discussion.

Hence, my dream that Indian Retired Personnel might be interested in joining the politics proved to be wrong.

Regretfully,

Kumar Arun

PS: Some of you have have expressed that giving power to "retired military personnel" will make India a military state.

       Would you please watch the video clip below and let me know if you would like to compare these men with any of 

       your favourite politician?

        

                        WE PRANAAM__/|\__ WHO CHOSE TO BRAVE "JAI BHARAT"

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On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:52 PM, satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,
 
I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs
who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.
 
Regards,
 
Satbir Singh Bedi

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From: Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM

Subject: Re: How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Vasant ji:
How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?
 
With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
 

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From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM

Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?

You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.
 
V. S. Sardesai
 

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>

Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?

Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM

Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,

I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position within government. 
If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my
ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, 
not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?

The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least
NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?
I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. 

Regards,

Kumar Arun

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700

From: nag...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: How do we align our constitution ?

Dear Kumar ji:

True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from 
a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, 
with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, 
"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own 
comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow 
humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future generation.
  

So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote 
to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   
YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. 

With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   
 

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From: kuma...@hotmail.com

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000

Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ? 

Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for
participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views 
as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?

Best regards,

Kumar Arun

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700

From: lalh...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: How do we align our constitution ?

Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, 

We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. 
We all must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that 
our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.

God bless Bharat

Tr.   

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM

Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?

Shri Lal Gehi ji,

A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.

I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready
for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 years ago and that will make more sense.

Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.

Kumar Arun

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM
Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?

Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India
will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us

a chance to dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in

India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'
larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion
A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. 

If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being 
biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At
one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!

I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely
interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.
Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.
This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.
This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. 
Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?

Respectfully,

Kumar Arun

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From: devinde...@btopenworld.com

Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100

Subject: Re: How do we align our constitution ? 

Subject: Re: How do we align our constitution ?

Namaskar!
 
                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. 
IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF 
MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM 
THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial 
appointee, PM must drop him.
 
This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.
 
Bhagwat Goel
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700
From: lalh...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: How do we align our constitution ?

I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, 

80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. 
Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. 

Tr.    

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From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:03 PM

Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?

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[satbir singh]

Shadi ji,

 

You have not read the full contents of my letter.  Therefore, I reproduce the portion of my earlier posting on which I am expecting you to comments. These are, "I am saying all this because we at present cannot blame opposition parties as they are not in power but it is she who is in power.  Then she had created diarchy in the sense that she is the de facto Prime Minister of the country while Manmohan Singh is the de jure
Prime Minister of the country so that there is confusion as to who actually governs the nation.  And most important point is why she is not becoming the Prime Minister of the country thereby abdicating her responsiblity or else why she is not asking her son, Rahul Gandhi to become the Prime Minister.  People have not voted for Manmohan Singh.  He could not even win his own Lok Sabha election.  So, she should stop this drama and either assume office of the Prime Minister herself or ask her son to take over as Prime Minister of the country.  If her foreign origin is raised let her fight the battle in the supreme court but why have a person who does not a b c of the politics as the Prime Minister."  You have stated that she is not the PM and such questions should be asked of PM.  Have you read the various newspapers of India.  Time and again they say that Manmohan Singh is not the de facto Prime Minister of the country.  He is a dummy Prime Minister and it is Sonia Gandhi who has been given the mandate to rule and is the de facto Prime Minister of the country.  She is like Arjuna who took the cover of Shikhandi to kill Bhisham pitmah.  Well, I do not like such tactics. When one has been invested with a power, with a mandate then she must rule and should not create confusion by having a diarchy. Everybody knows that it was she who was given the mandate.  Manmohan Singh was never given the mandate to rule over the country.  Why she is not taking steps to control the population of the country because she is afraid that she may not lose power?  People in the Western countries are better than us.  We are carried away by emotions but people in the West think and vote.  Although Churchil won a war for England, the British people voted him out.  They brought in Attlee so that they could be rid of the problem of poverty and rising prices which have been created by war.  And Attlee did act on people's mandate.  First of all,  he gave us independence so that he could save the manpower required to run the British rule in India which was proving so costly for him.  We are either anti-Sonia or Pro-Sonia but we should be Pro-India.  The major need of India is the control of population, rising prices and poverty.  If Sonia is a Statesman and not a politician then she should control the population of India, control the rising prices and do something for poverty removal even if it means taking unpopular steps and losing the power.  I hope you would reply to all of my points.  When BJP comes to power, I would surely ask the same questions from them but at present, she is in power and she must reply why she gave the tickets to congressmen with criminal background? 

 

Satbir

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Satbir ji,

You must have missed the story that she was planted by POPE so that India could be converted . There was a good fiction about her uncle being in Vatican intelligence but the writer could not find his name or any record of him. He must be very deeply buried under various names. So this is the fictitious part of her being able to catch Rajiv.

She has been called Bar maid, poverty stricken poor family from Poland who migrated to Italy and looked down in typical Indian way as we do with untouchables.

The politics policies and personal lives are very different but we human being enjoy in such stories. She is not the one who makes any policies whether pro mulsim or not. She inherited vote banks congress and has not able to change as the nation politics is concerned.She can be blamed for everything as you imply but facts are that as we have discussed before our own Constitution is the reason of such criminal MP. She is not PM and one should ask these quesions to the ruling cabinet and PM .

Could any reader give us breakdown of such 30-35% criminal MP by breakdown of each party.
Shadi

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Well your answer is hardly convincing. Why do you call it an unprecedented move?  In my opinion, she abdicated her duties.  A mandate was given to her to rule the country.  She did not do that.  Her son also wasted his time. You have also not replied to my question as to when we were not corrupt during King Ashoka's rule, how we could have become genetically corrupt and why a Govt. is there if it cannot solve the problems of poverty and hunger and over-population. What for a Govt. is voted to power?  Is it not to mitigate the sufferings of the people?  Why cannot the Govt. enforce the two child norm on all people because it is afraid to lose power?  That means staying in power is more important than the welfare of the people.  You are trying to defend the indefensible.  It is the Congress party under Sonia Gandhi which is in power and it is upto it to resolve the sufferings of the people namely poverty and hunger by controlling the population?

 

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She did not become the PM as it would have been an unprecedented move and she would have met with such fierce opposition from all sides that it would have been impossible for her to function.even for a day.  She read the writing on the wall.
 
Moreover, she did what a good mother does for her children. She kept the space vacant for her son. Whether he will make or not is another debate.

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Dr Ambekar Ji, No religion, certainly not Hindu religion will teach a wife that she must die with her deceased husband.  

YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD SEVERAL TIMES, THAT THIS IS A SOCIAL EVIL, NOT A HINDU TRADITION. 

LOOK AT HYPOCRISY OF YOUR MOHAMMAD, WHO IS ROLE MODEL, OF MUSLIMS. 

HE HIMSELF, MARRIED  KHADIJHA, WHO WAS TWICE MARRIED BEFORE MOHAMMAD, 

BUT MOHAMMAD FORBID ALL HIS WOMEN TO RE MARRY, AFTER HIS DEATH. 

HIS YOUNGEST WIFE AYESHA, WAS 17 YEARS OLD, WHEN MOHAMMAD DIED. !  

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The mandate was given to her by those who returned her to Parliamnet. It was for the Party to dcide who would led the Party as the PM. She was asked to become the PM but she listened to her inner voice.

 

I think it is naive for you to keep asking why she refused. When Sharad Power along with Sagma walked out of party. Sushma Swaraj threatened to tonshure her head and sleep on the floor of the house, until the wrong was put right. Do you blame her for listening to her inner voice  Moreover, she meets with a Darupdhi's Cheer Haran daily on the pretext of corruption and taking funds out of India to the tune of US$ 40 billion only as a Congress President. What do you think would have been her position, if she was the PM?? Do come back with an answer.

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Kumar Ji, The reciprocity clause is a fig leaf. It has no real value. The basic issue was whether a foreign born naturalised citizen should be become the PM. She did see the President to declare that her party had the requisite majority. The question was whether she would head the government??. She came out in the lawn of her house where the her faithfuls had gathered when she declared about her inner voice. The diplomatic way of saying "Thanks but no thanks" 

We can add whatever slant we want to the story. I still think that life would have been become pretty miserable for her if she had become the PM..

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Devinderji!!

 

Why do you twist the matters to honour Sonia as if she had sacrificed th position offered to her as PM?

 

Are you aware that prior to meeting the President she said, she would be leading the Govt. meaning as PM.

 

When Kalam pointed out this could be challenged in Court as reciprocity clause with Italy does not permit an India born Italian Citizen to hold even a position in local bodies at Italy. She had to swallow her pride and withdraw and the Congressmen proudly declared that she sacrificed the offer of PM and made MM SIngh the PM!!

 

Tonsuring threat by Sushma and others are just non-issues here

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Dr Kalam did express his opinion that her appointment might raise some constitutional(?) questions as she was a naturalised citizen but the real reaction came fom Pawar & Co and Mrs Sushma Swaraj and her threat to tonsure her head and sleep on the floor and so on. As it is there is a tirade of accusation against her being the President of her party. All hell would have been let loose if she had become the PM. 

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On 6 May 2012, at 17:59, devinde...@btopenworld.com wrote:

She did not become the PM as it would have been an unprecedented move and she would have met with such fierce opposition from all sides that it would have been impossible for her to function.even for a day.  She read the writing on the wall. If I am not wrong the writing on the wall was shown to her to read by Dr. A.P.J. Kalam and his advisors who so ever those may be. You may have different opinion for what ever reasons?

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Dr Kalam did express his opinion that her appointment might raise some constitutional(?) questions as she was a naturalised citizen but the real reaction came fom Pawar & Co and Mrs Sushma Swaraj and her threat to tonsure her head and sleep on the floor and so on. As it is there is a tirade of accusation against her being the President of her party. All hell would have been let loose if she had become the PM. 

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On 6 May 2012, at 17:59, devinde...@btopenworld.com wrote:

She did not become the PM as it would have been an unprecedented move and she would have met with such fierce opposition from all sides that it would have been impossible for her to function.even for a day.  She read the writing on the wall. If I am not wrong the writing on the wall was shown to her to read by Dr. A.P.J. Kalam and his advisors who so ever those may be. You may have different opinion for what ever reasons?

 

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Real leaders have to lead miserable lives.  In fact, they have to face many challenges but they are not afraid of them.  Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose had passed ICS exam and could have easily led a comfortable life but he chose the hard way and we respect him for that.  Bhagat Singh was the son of a very wealthy landlord and could have led a life of ease and comfort but he chose to lay down his life for the country.  Today, he is called "Shaheed-e-Aazam".  Living a life of comfort is for us the ordinary mortals but those who want to become leaders have to sacrifise.  Gandhi ji and Patel could easily have led a comfortable life as practising lawyers but they chose the hard way.  I do not know why you are defending the indefensible act of Sonia Gandhi.  I tell you that if I were in her place, I would have become PM even if Sushma Swaraj shaved all the hair on her body.  This is mere cowardice.  If her inner voice told her not to accept becoming the PM, then this inner voice is really very weak.  Great people do not have such inner voices.  They fight to the last.  And she should have taken the fight to the Supreme Court and if the Apex Court had struck down her appointment, only then she should have resigned.  Anyway, she is still the de facto Prime Minister of the country and Manmohan Singh is only the de jure Prime Minister of the country.  I hope that you understand the meaning between "de facto" and "de jure".  While some Wodeyar was the de jure King of Mysore, it was Nawab Haider Ali who was the de facto King of Mysore and he never shirked from that responsibility and in fact was the only Indian Prince to have defeated the English.  Of course, he died before he could throw the British away.  His son was not like him and tortured his Hindu and Christian subjects but he also never hesitated to act as de facto ruler of the State.  In fact, rather than surrendering to the British, he chose to die in the battle with a sword in his hand.  He fought to the last man.  It is quite another matter that his policies were wrong.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi 

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Kumar Ji, The reciprocity clause is a fig leaf. It has no real value. The basic issue was whether a foreign born naturalised citizen should be become the PM. She did see the President to declare that her party had the requisite majority. The question was whether she would head the government??. She came out in the lawn of her house where the her faithfuls had gathered when she declared about her inner voice. The diplomatic way of saying "Thanks but no thanks" 

We can add whatever slant we want to the story. I still think that life would have been become pretty miserable for her if she had become the PM..

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>Devinderji!!
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>Why do you twist the matters to honour Sonia as if she had sacrificed th position offered to her as PM?
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>Are you aware that prior to meeting the President she said, she would be leading the Govt. meaning as PM.
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>When Kalam pointed out this could be challenged in Court as reciprocity clause with Italy does not permit an India born Italian Citizen to hold even a position in local bodies at Italy. She had to swallow her pride and withdraw and the Congressmen proudly declared that she sacrificed the offer of PM and made MM SIngh the PM!!
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>Tonsuring threat by Sushma and others are just non-issues here
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>Dr Kalam did express his opinion that her appointment might raise some constitutional(?) questions as she was a naturalised citizen but the real reaction came fom Pawar & Co and Mrs Sushma Swaraj and her threat to tonsure her head and sleep on the floor and so on. As it is there is a tirade of accusation against her being the President of her party. All hell would have been let loose if she had become the PM. 
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>>She did not become the PM as it would have been an unprecedented move and she would have met with such fierce opposition from all sides that it would have been impossible for her to function.even for a day.  She read the writing on the wall. If I am not wrong the writing on the wall was shown to her to read by Dr. A.P.J. Kalam and his advisors who so ever those may be. You may have different opinion for what ever reasons?
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>>>Moreover, she did what a good mother does for her children. She kept the space vacant for her son. Whether he will make or not is another debate.
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They say that uneasy lies the head that wears the crown.  So she made our frind MM Singh to wear the crown and herself had her finger on the button. So it can't be a bad move.?? whether the nation has benefited or not is anybody's guess.

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Both you and Shadi ji are trying to evade my questions.  Should I being the President of a party which has been voted to power be afriad of the opposition.  If so, then I really have no guts and should in fact resign from the party.  In her place, I would have taken the battle to the Supreme Court.  She is the de facto Prime Minister of the country.  You and Shadi ji are both avoiding confessing this because it exposes you.  "Patta Patta Boota Boota Haal Hamara Jaane Hai,  Jaane Na Jaane Gul Hi Na Jaane Bagh To Saara Jaane Hai".  (Everybody knows the reality except you two people, You and Shadi ji).  You are trying to avoid my straightforward questions.  When once you stand for the elections and you win the elections, then you are duty bound to lead the nation.  You do not entrust the task to a dummy who does not know the abc of the politics.  It is you who are responsible for the policies of the Govt. Why she is not controlling the population and removing poverty?  Why she is not checking corruption?  Why she is giving tickets to criminals in the party including those responsible for massacres of Sikhs in 1984?  What for the Govt. is there? If everything is to remain as it is, then why we need a ruler?  I would ask similar question of BJP also if they come to power but at present Sonia Gandhi is in power.  Please do not go on saying like a parrot that Manmohan Singh is in power.  It does not behove an intelligent person like you.  Sonia is in power and she must reply to the people who have voted her to power.

 

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The mandate was given to her by those who returned her to Parliamnet. It was for the Party to dcide who would led the Party as the PM. She was asked to become the PM but she listened to her inner voice.
 
I think it is naive for you to keep asking why she refused. When Sharad Power along with Sagma walked out of party. Sushma Swaraj threatened to tonshure her head and sleep on the floor of the house, until the wrong was put right. Do you blame her for listening to her inner voice  Moreover, she meets with a Darupdhi's Cheer Haran daily on the pretext of corruption and taking funds out of India to the tune of US$ 40 billion only as a Congress President. What do you think would have been her position, if she was the PM?? Do come back with an answer.

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>You have not replied to my question as to why she did not become the Prime Minister of the country when the mandate was given to her and not repeat not to Manmohan Singh.  You are only giving a standard reply that she is the President of the Congress Party while Manmohan Singh is the Prime Minister but all the people in the country know in their hearts of heart that Manmohan Singh is merely her puppet and it is she who is the de facto Prime Minister.  Then why she is not becoming the Prime Minister and facing the responsibilities.  You have simply stated that we are genetically corrupt people and population and poverty will remain.  Then why have a Govt. at all if people are to remain as they are?  A Govt. is one who sees to it that people are reformed and ruled and made to work honestly. Otherwise what for are the CBI and police and other such agencies.  You say that we are genetically corrupt.  Then you admit that you and I are also corrupt
and in fact all the people in this group are corrupt.  If all the people are corrupt then this group may be wound up and we need not discuss corruption.  I find your answer very unsatisfactory.  Do you know something about the age of Ashoka the Great and also know that in his rule nobody could indulge in theft  Then how we became genetically corrupt?And why cannot we control our population?We can do it but there should be a will.  Where there is a will, there is a way.  And why are you giving unnecessary importance to Manmohan Singh. All the people except you know that he is a dummy Prime Minister and people have given him no mandate to rule the country.  Why are you silent about Sonia's abdication of her responsibility by not taking over as the Prime Minister of the country?  People have voted for her and her son to lead the country.  Everybody knows it except you.
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This shows that you have no answer in the matter.  If Sheikh Hasina could function, Chandrika Kumartunga could function, she too could function.  She is just a fearful woman afraid of taking over responsibility.

 

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No matter how great a leader one might be. If one is not allowed to function what would the greatness do in the matter??. If you can answer this question , much of your problem would be solved.

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>No, I am not satisfied with your answer.  If she was such a great leader then why was she afraid of facing "hell".  Is it not abdicating one's responsibilities because facing responsibilities seems like "hell".  Actually it is the common man who is facing "hell" and not these great leaders.  They have so many bodyguards to gaurd.  Actually what exactly she was afraid of.  What would have made her life "hell".  Sheikh Hasina of Bangladesh even after being injured in a bomb attack, became the Prime Minister of that country because she  was a courageous woman.  Chandrika Kumartunga even after losing her eye in a bomb attack, again became the President of the country.  She was not afraid then why is our great leader Sonia Gandhi is afraid.

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>Satbir Ji, There is no question of evading your question Frankly, we do not know what went through her mind. We are only stating what came into the public domain. even then much of it is speculation.
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>If you are asking our personal view. It is that for all practical purposes she was an Indian citizen and was also an elected MP with a huge mandate.  So if she wanted to become the PM, then there was nothing to stop this happening, especially when her own party wanted her to become the PM.  Please remember that until that time the Congress did not use to declare a PM candidate like the BJP. Please also remember that she went to see the President not as a PM candidate but as the President of the victorious Congress Party as she had taken over from Sita Ram Kesri as the President of the Party' Also she did not fight the election necessarily as the PM candidate. So there was a big question mark in every
body's mind as to who will lead the party. naturally she appeared to be the only choice until her inner self started to make contrary noises.
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>It is in the light of what has been going on since then which re-inforces our view that life would have been made simply "hell" for her. I hope this clarifies it for you but come back if anything is still not clear.    

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>>Both you and Shadi ji are trying to evade my questions.  Should I being the President of a party which has been voted to power be afriad of the opposition.  If so, then I really have no guts and should in fact resign from the party.  In her place, I would have taken the battle to the Supreme Court.  She is the de facto Prime Minister of the country.  You and Shadi ji are both avoiding confessing this because it exposes you.  "Patta Patta Boota Boota Haal Hamara Jaane Hai,  Jaane Na Jaane Gul Hi Na Jaane Bagh To Saara Jaane Hai".  (Everybody knows the reality except you two people, You and Shadi ji).  You are trying to avoid my straightforward questions.  When once you stand for the elections and you win the elections, then you are duty bound to lead the nation.  You do not entrust the task to a dummy who does not know the abc of the politics. 
It is you who are responsible for the policies of the Govt. Why she is not controlling the
>population and removing poverty?  Why she is not checking corruption?  Why she is giving tickets to criminals in the party including those responsible for massacres of Sikhs in 1984?  What for the Govt. is there? If everything is to remain as it is, then why we need a ruler?  I would ask similar question of BJP also if they come to power but at present Sonia Gandhi is in power.  Please do not go on saying like a parrot that Manmohan Singh is in power.  It does not behove an intelligent person like you.  Sonia is in power and she must reply to the people who have voted her to power.
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[satbir singh]

Shadi ji,

 

Frankly speaking I am hardly satisfied with your reply.  There is nothing in the Constitution of India that debar a naturalised foreign born citizen of India from holding the office of the Prime Minister.  If you know any clause of the Constitution of India, please quote it.  President is nobody to inform her that she cannot become Prime Minister of the country when she holds the required number of MPs with her.  It is a legal point and at the most, she should have gone to the Supreme Court to seek the clarification.  I also challenge your statement that she is just an MP.  She is the de facto Prime Minister of the country while Manmohan is the de jure Prime Minister of the country.  I hope that you understand what is "de facto" and what is "de jure".  If you read the Indian papers, all of them say this.  Another term used in this regard is that Manmohan Singh is merely a "regent".  If you read the Indian papers, you would become aware of these terms.  For example during the British period, "Wodeyar" was the de jure king of Mysore but the de facto ruler was Nawab Haider Ali and it is to the credit of the latter that he never refused to accept the responsibility of being the de facto ruler and was the only Indian Prince to have defeated the British.  However, he soon died and could not throw away Britishers out of India.  Then his son became the de facto ruler and discharged the full responsibilities of his post.  However, he was a fanatic who tortured his Hindu and Christian subjects and was unpopular.  So, he was defeated by the British but it may be said to his advantage that he died while fighting the British and did not surrender to them.  Sonia Gandhi is also head of the National Advisory Council and it is this Council which is taking all the decisions.  Hence my questions that why she could not control the population of the county, why she could not remove poverty, etc.  Now, I would give you another example from history. Mir Jafar was the de jure ruler of Bengal but it was Lord Clive who was the de facto ruler of the state of Bengal.  Shah Alam II was the de jure Emperor of India but it was Lord Warren Hastings who was the de facto ruler of the country. Both these terms are frequently used by journalists as well as lawyers and historians to stress that one who is the de facto ruler of a country rules the country while the de jure ruler merely acts on the instructions of the de facto ruler if he is ever to asked to act.  Churchil during the World War II headed a coalition Govt. but he took all the decisions because he was never afraid of losing power.  If some of his decisions was challenged, he would have immediately resigned.  The fact is that Mrs. Sonia Gandhi is not acting even like a European.  European have ruled the whole world because they were never afraid of taking the decisions.  But here in India, the politicians want to stick to power even if they have to give up their principles.  Indira Gandhi was not afraid to take a decision although she had to lose her life.  We no longer have those types of leaders.  I had a joint secretary who was at one time my Section Officer, the moment the Home Minister asked him to change his note, he took a paper from the Home Minister's desk and gave notice of his voluntary retirement.  My Uncle's Nephew who was a Member of the Central Board of Customs and Excise when asked to change  his note by the then Finance Minister, Mr. V.P. Singh, refused to do so and instead immediately sought voluntary retirement.  However, our Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh want to stick to power even if they have to sacrifise all their principles.

 

Satbir

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Satbir ji,

What are we hiding from you or avoiding your questions.I think we both have tried to show you the ground reality but you continue to repeat as it doesnot meet your requirments. My advise to you is simple look into Indian Constitution and see what it says whether she being of foreign born can become PM before we proceed further. That should end your anguish.

As a head of party winning the elections she has the duty to report to President and tell him that her party has majority and will form the government. It does not mean that she will be PM. She must have consulted her ad visors and even seek advise frm the President about this tricky matter.When she found that it was not advisable, she decided to stay away .Will this answer your questions?
regarding other difficulties in case of fighting poverty,education,health and population control she can advise or consult the party but has no power as she is just another MP as well as head of the party. It is for the coalition who runs the govt to think. Why do we forget the fact that Congress is not the sole party as in the past running the nation. There are other parties involved and you saw recent case of Railways .

I hope this gives you the necessary information.
Shadi

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SHE AND HER GANG HAS NOW UNDERSTOOD THEIR TIME IS OVER AND IT IS PAY TIME FOR THEIR CRIMES & LOOT ETC.  SO THEY ARE BUYING TIME TO COVER UP.

They are there thanks to secularists,advani, sushma etc/

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She is a fearful woman.  She will never take over as PM as she is afraid of shouldering the responsibility.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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You are right the proof of pudding lies in its eating. She is still there. you can elect her as the next PM and see which way the wind blows.

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No, I am not satisfied with your answer.  If she was such a great leader then why was she afraid of facing "hell".  Is it not abdicating one's responsibilities because facing responsibilities seems like "hell".  Actually it is the common man who is facing "hell" and not these great leaders.  They have so many bodyguards to gaurd.  Actually what exactly she was afraid of.  What would have made her life "hell".  Sheikh Hasina of Bangladesh even after being injured in a bomb attack, became the Prime Minister of that country because she  was a courageous woman.  Chandrika Kumartunga even after losing her eye in a bomb attack, again became the President of the country.  She was not afraid then why is our great leader Sonia Gandhi is afraid.

 

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Satbir Ji, There is no question of evading your question Frankly, we do not know what went through her mind. We are only stating what came into the public domain. even then much of it is speculation.
 
If you are asking our personal view. It is that for all practical purposes she was an Indian citizen and was also an elected MP with a huge mandate.  So if she wanted to become the PM, then there was nothing to stop this happening, especially when her own party wanted her to become the PM.  Please remember that until that time the Congress did not use to declare a PM candidate like the BJP. Please also remember that she went to see the President not as a PM candidate but as the President of the victorious Congress Party as she had taken over from Sita Ram Kesri as the President of the Party' Also she did not fight the election necessarily as the PM candidate. So there was a big question mark in every body's mind as to who will lead the party. naturally she appeared to be the only choice until her inner self started to make contrary noises.
 
It is in the light of what has been going on since then which re-inforces our view that life would have been made simply "hell" for her. I hope this clarifies it for you but come back if anything is still not clear.    

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>Both you and Shadi ji are trying to evade my questions.  Should I being the President of a party which has been voted to power be afriad of the opposition.  If so, then I really have no guts and should in fact resign from the party.  In her place, I would have taken the battle to the Supreme Court.  She is the de facto Prime Minister of the country.  You and Shadi ji are both avoiding confessing this because it exposes you.  "Patta Patta Boota Boota Haal Hamara Jaane Hai,  Jaane Na Jaane Gul Hi Na Jaane Bagh To Saara Jaane Hai".  (Everybody knows the reality except you two people, You and Shadi ji).  You are trying to avoid my straightforward questions.  When once you stand for the elections and you win the elections, then you are duty bound to lead the nation.  You do not entrust the task to a dummy who does not know the abc of the politics.  It is you who are responsible for the policies of the Govt. Why she is not controlling the
population and removing poverty?  Why she is not checking corruption?  Why she is giving tickets to criminals in the party including those responsible for massacres of Sikhs in 1984?  What for the Govt. is there? If everything is to remain as it is, then why we need a ruler?  I would ask similar question of BJP also if they come to power but at present Sonia Gandhi is in power.  Please do not go on saying like a parrot that Manmohan Singh is in power.  It does not behove an intelligent person like you.  Sonia is in power and she must reply to the people who have voted her to power.
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No matter how great a leader one might be. If one is not allowed to function what would the greatness do in the matter??. If you can answer this question , much of your problem would be solved.

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She is a fearful woman.  She will never take over as PM as she is afraid of shouldering the responsibility.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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You are right the proof of pudding lies in its eating. She is still there. you can elect her as the next PM and see which way the wind blows.

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[Dr. Madhukar Ambekar]

On 8 May 2012, at 07:37, devinde...@btopenworld.com wrote:

Dr Kalam did express his opinion that her appointment might raise some constitutional(?) questions as she was a naturalised citizen but the real reaction came fom Pawar & Co and Mrs Sushma Swaraj and her threat to tonsure her head and sleep on the floor and so on. What an excuse!!!!. As if Sonia would have cared for Powar or Sushma. It was some constitutional implications that if some one is owner of ancestral property in Italy can not be the PM in India. I thought you are expert on Constitutional matters. I hope I am right in my assertion from an Constitutional luminary from India. As it is there is a tirade of accusation against her being the President of her party. All hell would have been let loose if she had become the PM. That is your assertion not of Dr. A.P.J. Kalam and legal experts in india.

[satbir singh]

Shadi ji,

 

I need not consult anybody. Having worked in Central Secretariat for 36 years, I know for sure that there is no clause in Our Constitution which prevents a foreign born naturalised Indian citizen from holding the office of the Prime Minister.  As late Jyoti Basu put it that he could not help if she was afraid.  Of course, I am not a mind reader and do not know what she is afraid of.  I write many letters to her, the President of India and the Prime Minister of India etc.  All my letters to her are returned to me with the remarks that they could not be delivered as she does not like the receipient.  Of course, the Prime Minister has now started acknowleding my letters with the remarks that "Thank you for contacting Prime Minister's Office".  President Obama has replied to me when I wrote to him once.  He or his wife, the First Lady of USA or his vice-President, Joe Biden or his Press Adviser continue to write to me.  They see nothing wrong in writing to me.  I do not know why she does not like my letters.  Of course, I am not a mind reader.  I have, of course, never seen her and she has never seen me.  As for me, I like those people like Bhagat Singh who are fearless.  I am for economic reforms but she has reversed the process by introducing too many welfare schemes to gain popularity.  Of course, popular measures do bring votes but they do not improve the lot of the country but lead to more and more corruption.  These welfare schemes, that is money earmarked for them, mostly go into the pocket of corrupt babus and politicians.  Manmohan Singh has also given up his economic reforms and is now implementing the welfare schemes the benefit of which schemes seldom reach the poor.  I for one, am sure that unless population of India is checked, nothing could can be done for the people as every measure taken to improve their lot would be offset by the increasing population.  I have some other measures to suggest also but I have already written about them and everybody knows about it.  As for corruption charges against her, I wish that those who make such charges should approach the Supreme Court with a PIL and submit all the evidence there so that everything could become clear.  If anybody has any doubt whether a foreign born naturalised Indian citizen can become the Prime Minister of the country, let them go to the Supreme Court for a clarification.  Everything would become clear.  Similarly for rape charges, an FIR may be filed.  If police refuse to take any action, there is always the Apex Court to force the police to take action.  Meanwhile, I may say that a lot of scams have come to light and these should be inquired into quickly.

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 4:45 AM
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Satbir ji,

I am sorry that you are not satisfied with our answers. It has been eons since I read our and other constitutions for my B.A exams. I hae suggested in another letter that maybe Sexena ji being your good friend and attorney might have some knowledge about this issue.

The President can advise her if such question is asked and I have no idea if this issue ws raised I just gve you my opinion.

She could become PM as you feel that there is nothing in our Constitution but if it is there than why go to Supreme court and maybe she felt that it will take time as you seen in Sikh massacre of 1984 or who knows what was in her mind. Maybe she didn't wish to expose herself and her family to such hard task. Only she can tell. Why dont you write and open letter to her and ask her.

You my dear friend can challenge what ever you wish but ipso facto she is just and MP and does hold the post of Supremo of Congress. PM is member of that party and being head of ruling party, he will be consulting her as it may effect the party.

Has anyone even tried to remove poverty but even Montek tried to show improvement by changing goal posts of lower requirements for poor.Poverty can be lowered if one give any space to sit down and think of industry and development but we are all consumed with religious issue. Tell me how well the parliament has worked in last three secessions. Where is the co-operation of all the parties.

We also have to get rid of these unproductive socialistic ideas that we cannot establish industry here or there. Look at how many road blocks are being put under the name of

environments. Posco case is a good example or how the local population is incited against any mining or industry. NANO was a good example.

Politics has no principles and they revolve with the times. Your examples of past history donot hold any water in today's climate. You live in India and find out why the parties involved wish to do with the nation. She might be very smart and figure out that this lot has as many goals as people and let the natives work out. She might have observed her mother in law and learnt some thing.

As Devindeer ji has written you have to figure it out being on the ground there.

shadi

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[satbir singh]

Kumar ji,

 

Please quote the clause of the Constitution of India which says that.  What is its article No.?

 

Satbir Singh Bedi 

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Satbirji!!,
 
Perhaps you have missed the reciprocity clause regarding foreign born Indian Citizen's Act which specifies that if a foreign born individual, accepts Indian citizenship, he or she would be eligible to hold any position or facilities which an Indian born taking citizenship of the Country concerned would be eligible there.
 
e.g. An Indian born individual when he takes Italian citizenship, he cannot hold any political position even of local bodies, leave alone Minisership of that Country. So in parallel, an Italian born taking Indian citizenship would not be eligible to hold any positions in Govt. of India.
 
This is what Dr.Swamy pointed out to President Kalam and Kalam warned Sonia of possible disqualification if she claims to be the PM. Hence she had to propose MM SIngh as PM and constituted an unconstitutional NAC for herself serving as a Super Cabinet, passing on her policies down to Cabinet to be adopted!!

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According to the normal practise, her party wanted to elect her as the PM but her inner voice came in the way. The next best alternative was  an unelected Dr Manmohan Singh and he is still with us.

From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>
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Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012, 6:42
Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Why should we guess out what had happened? What is the practice that is generally followed in appointing the PM? Was there any deviation from the normal practice followed and if so why?   V.S. Sardesai   --- On Tue, 8/5/12, devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com> wrote:

You have not replied to my question as to why she did not become the Prime Minister of the country when the mandate was given to her and not repeat not to Manmohan Singh.  You are only giving a standard reply that she is the President of the Congress Party while Manmohan Singh is the Prime Minister but all the people in the country know in their hearts of heart that Manmohan Singh is merely her puppet and it is she who is the de facto Prime Minister.  Then why she is not becoming the Prime Minister and facing the responsibilities.  You have simply stated that we are genetically corrupt people and population and poverty will remain.  Then why have a Govt. at all if people are to remain as they are?  A Govt. is one who sees to it that people are reformed and ruled and made to work honestly. Otherwise what for are the CBI and police and other such agencies.  You say that we are genetically corrupt.  Then you admit that you and I are also corruptand in fact all the people in this group are corrupt.  If all the people are corrupt then this group may be wound up and we need not discuss corruption.  I find your answer very unsatisfactory.  Do you know something about the age of Ashoka the Great and also know that in his rule nobody could indulge in theft  Then how we became genetically corrupt?And why cannot we control our population?We can do it but there should be a will.  Where there is a will, there is a way.  And why are you giving unnecessary importance to Manmohan Singh. All the people except you know that he is a dummy Prime Minister and people have given him no mandate to rule the country.  Why are you silent about Sonia's abdication of her responsibility by not taking over as the Prime Minister of the country?  People have voted for her and her son to lead the country.  Everybody knows it except you. Satbir Singh BediFrom: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com>To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>;"bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in"<jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com"<mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:27 PMSubject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?  The brief answer to your question is that we hold her responsible and also accountable for all those areas of activity which are not proper to the President of the Congress party Central Headquarters and not is she personally responsible for ny of them.. The division of responsibilities is that she manages the affairs of the party, the filling of the posts and winning of elections while the Manmohan Singh administration is responsible for the day to day running of the administration including the bringing of Kala Dhan, and many other welfare schemes.The reason why many things have not moved fast is because of  what Vajpayee Ji said was the coalition Dharma . The corruption in the country is a disease which is eating into the fabric of the society and we are all responsible as we are all "Genetically" corrupt.people. It will take a long time to eradicate with education but more importantly changing the home culture of the people. The same goes for the increase in population, poverty alleviation  and so on..  Reg Devinder>________________________________> From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>>To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>;"bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in"<jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com"<mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012, 16:36>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?> >>  > >I have already stated that she must have been very clever and intelligent to have got married to the son of a Prime Minister.  Otherwise also, there is no harm in marrying a barmaid if she fits one's standards of quality of being a wife.  However, while I am not against her being a barmaid and all that, I do not agree with her policies of appeasing the Muslims and her policy of starting so many welfare schemes when her own husband is on record to have stated that 85 paise out of every rupee earmarked for welfare schemes go into the pocket of politicians and bureaucrats.  She has failed to act on economic reforms and these welfare schemes have given rise to so much of corruption.  She has not fully eliminated the quota, license, permit raj and this is the drawback of her policy.  Moreover, she had done nothing to get black money back from Swiss banks which makes her a suspect in the public eye.  She has also failed to punish those congressmen who>were guilty of massacre of Sikhs.  She has also allowed criminalisation of politics by giving tickets to those persons against whom criminal cases are pending.  It is true that other parties have also not done anything to stop criminalisation of politics but then she is in power and much more is expected of her.  She has failed to instruct the President of India who is from Congress party to clear the Mercy petitions quickly thereby allowing terrorists a lease of life.  Most importantly, she has done nothing to control the ever growing population of the country which is the need of the hour.  She seems to be more interested in winning elections than solving the problems of the nation.  I am saying all this because we at present cannot blame opposition parties as they are not in power but it is she who is in power.  Then she had created diarchy in the sense that she is the de facto Prime Minister of the country while Manmohan Singh is the de jure>Prime Minister of the country so that there is confusion as to who actually governs the nation.  And most important point is why she is not becoming the Prime Minister of the country thereby abdicating her responsiblity or else why she is not asking her son, Rahul Gandhi to become the Prime Minister.  People have not voted for Manmohan Singh.  He could not even win his own Lok Sabha election.  So, she should stop this drama and either assume office of the Prime Minister herself or ask her son to take over as Prime Minister of the country.  If her foreign origin is raised let her fight the battle in the supreme court but why have a person who does not a b c of the politics to become Prime Minister of the country.> >Satbir Singh Bedi>>From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com>>To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; 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"omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com"><mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 8:21 PM>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>  >Satbir Ji, Nobody was bothered about her marrying the Pilot son of the then PM of India. Her misfortune started when the Congress which was in a bad shape and had no possibility of winning anything under Sita Ram Kesri. approached her and invited her to take over the reins of the Congress Party. I am sure that the Congress did not approach her as a professional  barmaid but some one who was capable of doing something  better for the party. After that what happened is for every one to see. > >The present position is that she has proved a formidable political adversary and a thorn on the side of the opposition parties. . A woman who can beat Sushma Swaraj by a huge majority can not be without the kind of credibility.that she enjoys. I can dare say that she has more credibility than any one in the opposition. It has therefore become incumbent that she be discredited in whatever way is possible. If, however,  tomorrow she declares that she had had enough and wanted to retire, I have no doubt that she would be left alone in  no time.  Regards Devinder. , >>>________________________________>> From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>>>To: "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>;>"bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in"><jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com"><mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >>Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012, 14:20>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?>> >>>>  >> >>Barmaid is actually the essence of every poetry.  Omar Khayyam says, "Come fill the cup and in the fire of spring, let the winter garment of repentance fling.  The bird of time has a little while to fly and Lo! the bird is on the wings."  Of course, she must have been a very clever and intelligent woman to get married to the Prime Minister of the country.  As for me, I would not have minded marrying a bar-maid if she was beautiful.  At least I could get drinks free.>> >>Satbir Singh Bedi>>>>From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com>>>To: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office>>(Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in">><jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com">><mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:05 PM>>Subject: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>Kumar Ji, An Italian woman who goes to London to learn English has to do a job under Home Office rules either as an au-pair with a family or at a bar or a restaurant.but she was, not a professional barmaid. I should mention that I was for a time a part time barman myself besides doing a day job when I was saving hard to complete my studies and go to India to get married. Would you in all honesty call me a professional barman. The reality is that she married the son of the then Prime Minister of India and became the very popular daughter in law of the first family and that should be her starting point and her starting credentials. After that what happened is for all to see.>> >>On the other hand Baba Ram Dev Ji is a professional Yoga teacher and earns his living by doing yoga. Of course, he can become a professional politician if he wanted to but he has to come and face the cut and thrust of the politics and not by sitting on a stage and making all kinds of noises.Once a full time politics people will soon forget about him as a yoga teacher and start remembering him as Right Honourable Baba Ram Dev MP from Rohtak. etc and judge him as that. Devinder Thakur  >>From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>>>To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar)>><bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>;>>"jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh>>Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com>; Devinder Thakur <devinde...@btopenworld.com> >>Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012, 17:06>>Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>>>>>>Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward>>>>> >>>If an Italian barmaid serving food and liquor in the Canteen of Cambridge University, without primary education could run the Country of 1.2 billion Indians, why should the well trained Yoga teacher with patriotism to the Country aspire to rule India?>>>>>>>>>From: shadi katyalsearch <shadi...@yahoo.com>>>>To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar)>><bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>;>>"jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh>>Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com>; Devinder Thakur <devinde...@btopenworld.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:10 PM>>>Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>>>>>  >>>Arun ji,>>>>>>It is very interesting that how you wish to bring the retired Army officers and form a new party based on Nazi system thus controlling the lives of citizens and govt run by army officers. Have you thought for one second that if India wanted Army rule like Pakistan or even China it would have done so decades ago. It could have done when>>>Indira Gandhi brought Emergency.>>>>>>Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward. Did you hear what he has to say about abolition our Parliamentary system . Can you explain me if his views along with yours are to push India out of World village and go back to stone age.;>>>>>>On one side you wish to clean the house which everyone wants but on other side you wish to bring New Reich in due time. I suggest first form a party and write first you platform which in a way you have given some idea in one of your letters. What about Education, Technologies  etc. Is Baba Ram Dev going to lead your party or will it be ANNA or Modi ji.>>>Regards>>>shadi>>>>>>________________________________>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>>>>To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>;>"brl...@gmail.com">>><brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr.>>>(Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Shadi>>>Katyal(UK) <shadi...@yahoo.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:20 AM>>>Subject: RE: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>>>>>  >>>May I request all the Patriots who are pessimist about "Hindu-Rashtra" be also considerate about the>>>process that we will have to go through? Is it not well understood that the Nehru and his family had been>>>>>>breaking the back bone of the nation piece by piece? Why does any one expect ultimate change of India>>>to Bharat-Varsh to Hindu-Rashtra in one election? Should we not tell nation to first be ready to accept>>>>>>a set of new of leaders other than congress, BJP, SSP, SP, JD, JDU, ADMK, blagh blagh blagh? We shall >>>take time in explaining the process of replacement, win their heart and their vote in the next election.>>>>>>The line of action should be to find a willing, qualified, deserving, candidate for a MP from the group of retired>>>military personnel. If we just take first step honestly and transparently, the result will produce the second step,>>>the third step and so on automatically. As a matter of fact, restoring the respect of the majority of Hindus,>>>is more important and crucial in transforming India into Hindu-Rashtra. What majority of Hindus will decide>>>is an important factor than assuming today and the end result of tomorrow. We all know, Hinduism in it's >>>current form is totally different than our roots in Sanatan Dharma. What Baba Ramdev ji is telling the nation, >>>should have been told by united Hindu leaders during & after Nehru to unite Hindus. Nehru kept dividing and >>>Hindus kept tolerating. Obviously, Baba Ramdev understood the The Vedic Philosophy much better than so called >>>Sankaracharyas in four corner of India. There has been an inbuilt process of evolution in the nature. The science >>>of religion must also adopt the evolution and help humanity. Almost every religion has tried to adopt the change >>>except Islam and only handful of other fanatics . >>>>>>With great regards to each one of you, I would like you to focus upon the very first step that is to eliminate the >>>corrupt MPs once for all from Delhi and clean the house of Bharat-Mata in coming general election.>>>>>>Respectfully,>>>>>>Kumar Arun >>>>>>________________________________>>>>>>From: ssbed...@yahoo.com>>>Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:53:55 -0700>>>Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>>  >>>>>>Kumar ji,>>> >>>I agree with you but I am awaiting a reaction from Arunji.  He, I hope, would surely respond.>>> >>>Satbir Singh Bedi>>>>>>From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>>>>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:16 AM>>>Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>>  >>>Satbirji!! >>>>>>No elected Govt. would agree to declare India s a Hindu State due to our democratic process and Hindu-s divided into different sects >>>and groups from Brahmins to Valmiki-s, the Politicians interested in perpetuating and augmenting the differences so that Hindu votes >>>would remain split. >>>Moreoever, among Hindu-s there are many traitors working against Hinduism for personal gains., and this has been the main reasons >>>why India was under foreign occupation subjugating Hindu-s for Centuries. >>>A ray of hope is Swami Ramdev, whose movement has millions as followers and if he forms a Political Party with main intention to >>>remove Congress and Corruption and bring back the stashed funds abroad, perhaps the support base would be substantial and Congress >>>could be defeated as it has happened in UP. We could not blame NDA fo non-fulfilment of the BJP agenda-s as there was sti\ff opposition >>>from other constituents on Ram Mandir and other Hindu issues and we had the traitor Brajesh Misra dictating and implementing policies >>>supporting SOnia throughout NDA period. >>>Anna Hazare is dilly dallying for supporting Baba Ramdev and he does not want to lose his secular image projected earlier. Now, Ramdev >>>has declared that he would allow Sadhvi Rithambra to share the stage and we do not know the Ramdev-Anna rift whether it would widen. >>>We should all strive to prepare a Manifesto for the Hindu Party- to force BJP to adopt as restoration of all temple properties to the temples >>>as at the time of partition and also restoration of management of temples to the Religious trusts managed by Hindu-s with no interference >>>by Govt. Thousands of Crores of Rs. are looted annually by every State Govt. from Hindu Temples and diverted to fund Haj Travels, >>>travel to Bethlehem, construction of mosques and Churches..etc. all these years. >>>Perhaps Arunji might also agree with me that a draft Election Manifesto>>>might be jointly prepared and discussed in this group before>>>finalisation and sent to RSS for adoption in the interests of Hindu-s and Swami Ramdev too would definitely support the same. >>>Sonia has several dossiers on BJP leaders up her sleeves and promptly uses them through CBI as we have seen the timing of Bangaru >>>Lakshman's conviction in a matter of hours after Bofors issue was raised in the Parliament.>>>>>>________________________________>>>>>>From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>>>>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:22 AM>>>Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>>Dear Mr. Kumar Arun,>>> >>>I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support>>>the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs>>>who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is>>>concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority.>>> >>>Regards,>>> >>>Satbir Singh Bedi>>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>From: Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>>>>Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM>>>Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>>Dear Vasant ji:>>>>>>How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building?>>>>>>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   >>> >>>Hari OMThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. >>> >>>__________________________________________________________>>>>>>From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>>>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM>>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>>You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that>>>we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building.>>>>>>V. S. Sardesai>>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>>>>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM>>>>>>>  >>>>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji,>>>>>>>>>>>>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position>>>within government. >>>>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my>>>>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received, >>>>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas?>>>>>>>>>>>>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least>>>>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India?>>>>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,>>>>>>>>>>>>Kumar Arun>>>>>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700>>>  From: nag...@yahoo.comSubject: >>>  Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>>>>Dear Kumar ji:>>>>>>>>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from >>>>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages, >>>>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said, >>>>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own >>>>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow >>>>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future>>>generation.>>>>  >>>>>>>>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote >>>>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".   >>>>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks. >>>>>>>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS   >>>__________________________________________________________>>>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com>>>  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000>>>  Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?  >>>>>>>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for >>>>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views >>>>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please?>>>>>>>Best regards,>>>>>>>Kumar Arun>>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700>>>From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: >>>Re: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>>>>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can. >>>>We all>>>must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that >>>>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country.>>>>>>>>>>>>God bless Bharat>>>>>>>Tr.   >>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>>>>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM>>>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>>>>Shri Lal Gehi ji, >>>>>>>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture.>>>>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready >>>>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300>>>years ago and that will make more sense.>>>>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us.>>>>>>>Kumar Arun >>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700>>>From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject: >>>Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>>>>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM>>>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>>>>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India >>>>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us>>>>>>>>a chance to>>>dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in>>>>>>>>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of'>>>>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion>>>>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive. >>>>>>>>>>>>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being >>>>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At>>>>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure!>>>>>>>>>>>>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely>>>>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class,>>>they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way.>>>>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted.>>>>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice.>>>>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable. >>>>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please?>>>>>>>>>>>>Respectfully,>>>>>>>>>>>>Kumar Arun>>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com>>>  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100>>>  Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ?  >>>>            >>>               9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich.>>>> >>>>           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures.>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>>>>>From: grd_...@yahoo.com>>>>>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700>>>>>Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India>>>>>>>>>>>>>HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . .>>>>>>>>1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4.>>>Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those >>>>>    with 90% get out because of merit.>>>>>>>>>>5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money >>>>>    to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a >>>>>    poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that >>>>>    we eat, are sold on the footpath.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges >>>>>    alone take several years to be completed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM>>>>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>Shri Bhagwat ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest,>>>>>willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military>>>>>>>>>>back ground. I understand that>>>dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will>>>>>be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired >>>>>military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to >>>>>receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even>>>>>crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum>>>>>necessary cost for running the campaign.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However,>>>>>when they win, they will decide to chose a>>>leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night>>>>>for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them >>>>>or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and >>>>>many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Respectfully,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kumar Arun>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800>>>>>From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>>>>>Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Namaskar!>>>>> >>>>>                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad. >>>>>IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF >>>>>MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM >>>>>THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial >>>>>appointee, PM must drop him.>>>>> >>>>>This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems.>>>>> >>>>>Bhagwat Goel>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>>Date: Mon,>>>23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700>>>>>From: lalh...@yahoo.com>>>>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others. >>>>>Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tr.   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>>>>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:03 PM>>>>>Subject: RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution>>>?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To All Participants;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We must keep our thoughts alive and alert that no matter how we plan to achieve our goal to take back British created >>>>>India towards the The Vedic Bharat, the philosophy of Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Budhism, Jainisim, and several others>>>>>will have to be adjusted in new Bharat (Hindu Rashtra). One must not assume and express that Hindu Rashtra means>>>>>exclusion of all people who believe in faith other than Sanatan Dharma. My vision is simple, all other religion will exist >>>>>under the Hindu Rashtra and they will have freedom to practice their faith only but they should not have any reservation >>>>>in schools, jobs & politics, etc,. The criteria for reservation will be determined based only on  economic ground. The so>>>>>called minority will have no choice but to follow>>>the The Vedic traditions that would be embedded in the new constitution >>>>>of Bharat. I will be very grateful if you please send your comments on this issues also.>>>>>Respectfully,>>>>>Dr. Kumar Arun>>>>>India Heritage Foundation>>>>>Michigan (USA)>>>>>PS: Please scroll down to read some of my thoughts that was expressed before which you may not have read it. Thanks.>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com>>>>>Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000 >>>>>Dear Fellow Patriots of India,>>>>>I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined >>>>>for a constructive>>>discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject,>>>>>we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to>>>>>stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help>>>>>but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent>>>>>majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have>>>>>been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for>>>>>me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean>>>BJP or get out to form a separate establishment.>>>>>The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince>>>>>a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from>>>>>civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate>>>>>for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Respectfully,>>>>>Dr. Kumar Arun>>>>>Michigan (USA)>>>>>April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com>>>>>Subject: RE: How do we>>>align our constitution ?>>>>>Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:43:14 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shri Suresh Vyas ji, >>>>>Thanks for your feedback, very much appreciated. With due respect I differ from you as far as priority in the politics >>>>>of India. In my understanding, following sequence will be more applicable: >>>>>     >>>>>     1.  Approach the veterans who are in good health to agree to run as an independent candidate for MP seat in their>>>>>          respective constituency. I would like to keep two more back up candidates for each constituency with all the >>>>>          qualification and criteria.>>>>>     2.  All candidates must go through a series of seminars to educate themselves in the history of India, constitution of India,>>>>> >>>        techniques of good governance applied in different government and different part of the world.>>>>>     4.  Once the candidates are ready, they go in the public to discuss their vision of future Bharat, ask for public feedback>>>>>          and their support.>>>>>     5.  When the time comes, register themselves as an independent candidate for MP seat. Must take the challenge from>>>>>          the community for their support with positive & winning attitude. >>>>>     6.  Once they win, chose a leader unanimously, form government and then act on necessary amendment in the Indian>>>>>          constitution, declare Bharat a Hindu Rashtra, Hindi it's national language, rule the country based upon the truth,>>>>>     >>>    respect to their fellow citizens and ask every non-Hindus to practice their religion based on the provision in the >>>>>          constitution as well as honoring The Vedic/Hindu way of Life.>>>>>>>>Once we achieve this much, to bring complete change in the Education System, the government will appoint Hindu scholars>>>>>to recommend how to establish the best suitable curriculum for elementary, middle, high school education free of cost for >>>>>all children. Rest will start following in its right place, when there is no corruption and true implementation of the law of the land.>>>>>I hope you will shed more lights upon the process described above and our discussion will move forward and in right direction.>>>>>>>>With kind regards,>>>>>>>>Kumar Arun>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>>>>>From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM>>>>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>>>>As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic.>>>>>>>>>>Next thing is to draft amendments.>>>>>>>>>>Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved.>>>>>>>>>>Next is to enforce that constitution.>>>>>>>>>>Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom.>>>>>But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh>>>world.>>>>>>>>>>Other things can be done later after the above things.>>>>>>>>>>There should not be two separate law systems in one country.>>>>>The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed.>>>>>One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics.>>>>>>>>>>jai sri krishna!>>>>>-sv>>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON >>>>>>SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND >>>>>>PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR>>>VOTES.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bhagwat Goel>>>>>>__________________________________________________________>>>>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012 6:58 PM>>>>>>Subject: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What a challenge for an "aam-aadmi", majority Hindus, minorities Muslims, Sikhs, Christians >>>>>>& many others who wants to live under one constitution but hardly like to discuss about it? The>>>>>>erosion in the constitution of India in the name of secularism, have left only ugly spots on the >>>>>>white (purity) fabrics of Bharat-Mata. We Hindus can keep blaming others for the erosion in>>>our>>>>>>constitution but why can't we examine at the least our behavior before pointing finger to others? >>>>>>It reminds me the early days of my child life how Hindus revered untouchability and let the weaker>>>>>>section live like pig. By the time I was a youth, the society demanded drastic change and tsunami >>>>>>of social changes stunned the upper class Hindus. Even then, we Hindus refused to examine the>>>>>>constitutional rights for the every citizen of the land. Now, it is all nothing but mess we are dealing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Vedas and other scriptures did try to guide then and still guiding for our evolution within the>>>>>>rights that come from God not from a human. The silent voices of millions if not billions are trying>>>>>>to remind the majority rowdy Indians to examine your behavior and bring necessary change>>>for>>>>>>your future survival but in vain. God may come to live among us today or tomorrow. But like it is>>>>>>described in two major epics: The Ramayan & Geeta, it took decades before God actually could>>>>>>establish meaningful change in the lives of mankind. This is the tale of all scriptures available today.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>However, God given intelligence is always guiding the force of life. If we Hindus strive to establish >>>>>>the virtue, we can still give our young generation a chance to live in peace & harmony. As a matter>>>>>>of fact there are many practical solutions that should be examined and if worthy, can be established.>>>>>>We all know our retired officers from Indian defense team are more patriotic than political leaders of>>>>>>past or present. May I suggest every patriot of India to demand, rather request those retired>>>army, >>>>>>navy & air-force personnel to come forward and take charge to rewrite constitution of India and rule>>>>>>the country based upon proven & long established principles of "Ram-Rajya"?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Respectfully,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dr. Kumar Arun>>>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>> >> >>>> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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I do not know what is it that you find so confusing.

 

She went to see the President as the President of a victorious party. She did not go there as a PM candidate as it was not decided at that stage, but the speculation was already ripe in the corridors of power that she be made the PM. It was after her meeting with the President,  that the party faithfuls met at her place to tell her that they were expecting her to become the PM. It was then that she said that thanks but no thanks. 

 

There was nothing to stop her saying that she wanted to become the PM but there would be an (imaginary) constitutional hitch. There was none.

 

Separately, Dr Swamy went to see Dr Kalam to tell him that there was no reciprocity arrangement which is completely irrelevant to this situation as I have explained elsewhere on this link..

 

 

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Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

 

Please don't confuse the matter. Find out when she heard her 'inner voice'. Was it before rushing to the Rashtrapati Bhawan claiming to form government or after meeting the Rashtrapati? And what was the necessity for her to meet the president if MMS was to become the PM? Moreover my question is different; what is the proceedure generally followed for selecting the PM? And whether was it followed in this case?

You have not replied to my question as to why she did not become the Prime Minister of the country when the mandate was given to her and not repeat not to Manmohan Singh.  You are only giving a standard reply that she is the President of the Congress Party while Manmohan Singh is the Prime Minister but all the people in the country know in their hearts of heart that Manmohan Singh is merely her puppet and it is she who is the de facto Prime Minister.  Then why she is not becoming the Prime Minister and facing the responsibilities.  You have simply stated that we are genetically corrupt people and population and poverty will remain.  Then why have a Govt. at all if people are to remain as they are?  A Govt. is one who sees to it that people are reformed and ruled and made to work honestly. Otherwise what for are the CBI and police and other such agencies.  You say that we are genetically corrupt.  Then you admit that you and I are also corrupt and in fact all the people in this group are corrupt.  If all the people are corrupt then this group may be wound up and we need not discuss corruption.  I find your answer very unsatisfactory.  Do you know something about the age of Ashoka the Great and also know that in his rule nobody could indulge in theft  Then how we became genetically corrupt?And why cannot we control our population?We can do it but there should be a will.  Where there is a will, there is a way.  And why are you giving unnecessary importance to Manmohan Singh. All the people except you know that he is a dummy Prime Minister and people have given him no mandate to rule the country.  Why are you silent about Sonia's abdication of her responsibility by not taking over as the Prime Minister of the country?  People have voted for her and her son to lead the country.  Everybody knows it except you.  Satbir Singh Bedi From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com> To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:27 PM Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?   The brief answer to your question is that we hold her responsible and also accountable for all those areas of activity which are not proper to the President of the Congress party Central Headquarters and not is she personally responsible for ny of them.. The division of responsibilities is that she manages the affairs of the party, the filling of the posts and winning of elections while the Manmohan Singh administration is responsible for the day to day running of the administration including the bringing of Kala Dhan, and many other welfare schemes.The reason why many things have not moved fast is because of  what Vajpayee Ji said was the coalition Dharma .   The corruption in the country is a disease which is eating into the fabric of the society and we are all responsible as we are all "Genetically" corrupt.people. It will take a long time to eradicate with education but more importantly changing the home culture of the people. The same goes for the increase in population, poverty alleviation  and so on..  Reg Devinder >________________________________ > From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com> >To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012, 16:36 >Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? > > >  > >I have already stated that she must have been very clever and intelligent to have got married to the son of a Prime Minister.  Otherwise also, there is no harm in marrying a barmaid if she fits one's standards of quality of being a wife.  However, while I am not against her being a barmaid and all that, I do not agree with her policies of appeasing the Muslims and her policy of starting so many welfare schemes when her own husband is on record to have stated that 85 paise out of every rupee earmarked for welfare schemes go into the pocket of politicians and bureaucrats.  She has failed to act on economic reforms and these welfare schemes have given rise to so much of corruption.  She has not fully eliminated the quota, license, permit raj and this is the drawback of her policy.  Moreover, she had done nothing to get black money back from Swiss banks which makes her a suspect in the public eye.  She has also failed to punish those congressmen who >were guilty of massacre of Sikhs.  She has also allowed criminalisation of politics by giving tickets to those persons against whom criminal cases are pending.  It is true that other parties have also not done anything to stop criminalisation of politics but then she is in power and much more is expected of her.  She has failed to instruct the President of India who is from Congress party to clear the Mercy petitions quickly thereby allowing terrorists a lease of life.  Most importantly, she has done nothing to control the ever growing population of the country which is the need of the hour.  She seems to be more interested in winning elections than solving the problems of the nation.  I am saying all this because we at present cannot blame opposition parties as they are not in power but it is she who is in power.  Then she had created diarchy in the sense that she is the de facto Prime Minister of the country while Manmohan Singh is the de jure >Prime Minister of the country so that there is confusion as to who actually governs the nation.  And most important point is why she is not becoming the Prime Minister of the country thereby abdicating her responsiblity or else why she is not asking her son, Rahul Gandhi to become the Prime Minister.  People have not voted for Manmohan Singh.  He could not even win his own Lok Sabha election.  So, she should stop this drama and either assume office of the Prime Minister herself or ask her son to take over as Prime Minister of the country.  If her foreign origin is raised let her fight the battle in the supreme court but why have a person who does not a b c of the politics to become Prime Minister of the country. >  >Satbir Singh Bedi > >From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com> >To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; >"bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; 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"omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" ><mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 8:21 PM >Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? > >  >Satbir Ji, Nobody was bothered about her marrying the Pilot son of the then PM of India. Her misfortune started when the Congress which was in a bad shape and had no possibility of winning anything under Sita Ram Kesri. approached her and invited her to take over the reins of the Congress Party. I am sure that the Congress did not approach her as a professional  barmaid but some one who was capable of doing something  better for the party. After that what happened is for every one to see. >  >The present position is that she has proved a formidable political adversary and a thorn on the side of the opposition parties. . A woman who can beat Sushma Swaraj by a huge majority can not be without the kind of credibility.that she enjoys. I can dare say that she has more credibility than any one in the opposition. It has therefore become incumbent that she be discredited in whatever way is possible. If, however,  tomorrow she declares that she had had enough and wanted to retire, I have no doubt that she would be left alone in  no time.  Regards Devinder. , > >>________________________________ >> From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com> >>To: "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; >"bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" ><jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" ><mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >>Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012, 14:20 >>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >> >> >>  >> >>Barmaid is actually the essence of every poetry.  Omar Khayyam says, "Come fill the cup and in the fire of spring, let the winter garment of repentance fling.  The bird of time has a little while to fly and Lo! the bird is on the wings."  Of course, she must have been a very clever and intelligent woman to get married to the Prime Minister of the country.  As for me, I would not have minded marrying a bar-maid if she was beautiful.  At least I could get drinks free. >>  >>Satbir Singh Bedi >> >>From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com> >>To: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office >>(Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" >><jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" >><mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:05 PM >>Subject: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >> >>Kumar Ji, An Italian woman who goes to London to learn English has to do a job under Home Office rules either as an au-pair with a family or at a bar or a restaurant.but she was, not a professional barmaid. I should mention that I was for a time a part time barman myself besides doing a day job when I was saving hard to complete my studies and go to India to get married. Would you in all honesty call me a professional barman. The reality is that she married the son of the then Prime Minister of India and became the very popular daughter in law of the first family and that should be her starting point and her starting credentials. After that what happened is for all to see. >>  >>On the other hand Baba Ram Dev Ji is a professional Yoga teacher and earns his living by doing yoga. Of course, he can become a professional politician if he wanted to but he has to come and face the cut and thrust of the politics and not by sitting on a stage and making all kinds of noises.Once a full time politics people will soon forget about him as a yoga teacher and start remembering him as Right Honourable Baba Ram Dev MP from Rohtak. etc and judge him as that. Devinder Thakur  >>From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com> >>To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) >><bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; >>"jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh >>Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com>; Devinder Thakur <devinde...@btopenworld.com> >>Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012, 17:06 >>Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >> >>> >>>>>Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward>> >>>  >>>If an Italian barmaid serving food and liquor in the Canteen of Cambridge University, without primary education could run the Country of 1.2 billion Indians, why should the well trained Yoga teacher with patriotism to the Country aspire to rule India? >>> >>> >>>From: shadi katyalsearch <shadi...@yahoo.com> >>>To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) >><bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; >>"jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh >>Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com>; Devinder Thakur <devinde...@btopenworld.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:10 PM >>>Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>> >>>  >>>Arun ji, >>> >>>It is very interesting that how you wish to bring the retired Army officers and form a new party based on Nazi system thus controlling the lives of citizens and govt run by army officers. Have you thought for one second that if India wanted Army rule like Pakistan or even China it would have done so decades ago. It could have done when >>>Indira Gandhi brought Emergency. >>> >>>Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward. Did you hear what he has to say about abolition our Parliamentary system . Can you explain me if his views along with yours are to push India out of World village and go back to stone age.; >>> >>>On one side you wish to clean the house which everyone wants but on other side you wish to bring New Reich in due time. I suggest first form a party and write first you platform which in a way you have given some idea in one of your letters. What about Education, Technologies  etc. Is Baba Ram Dev going to lead your party or will it be ANNA or Modi ji. >>>Regards >>>shadi >>> >>>________________________________ >>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; >"brl...@gmail.com" >>><brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. >>>(Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Shadi >>>Katyal(UK) <shadi...@yahoo.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:20 AM >>>Subject: RE: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>> >>>  >>>May I request all the Patriots who are pessimist about "Hindu-Rashtra" be also considerate about the >>>process that we will have to go through? Is it not well understood that the Nehru and his family had been >>> >>>breaking the back bone of the nation piece by piece? Why does any one expect ultimate change of India >>>to Bharat-Varsh to Hindu-Rashtra in one election? Should we not tell nation to first be ready to accept >>> >>>a set of new of leaders other than congress, BJP, SSP, SP, JD, JDU, ADMK, blagh blagh blagh? We shall  >>>take time in explaining the process of replacement, win their heart and their vote in the next election. >>> >>>The line of action should be to find a willing, qualified, deserving, candidate for a MP from the group of retired >>>military personnel. If we just take first step honestly and transparently, the result will produce the second step, >>>the third step and so on automatically. As a matter of fact, restoring the respect of the majority of Hindus, >>>is more important and crucial in transforming India into Hindu-Rashtra. What majority of Hindus will decide >>>is an important factor than assuming today and the end result of tomorrow. We all know, Hinduism in it's  >>>current form is totally different than our roots in Sanatan Dharma. What Baba Ramdev ji is telling the nation,  >>>should have been told by united Hindu leaders during & after Nehru to unite Hindus. Nehru kept dividing and  >>>Hindus kept tolerating. Obviously, Baba Ramdev understood the The Vedic Philosophy much better than so called  >>>Sankaracharyas in four corner of India. There has been an inbuilt process of evolution in the nature. The science  >>>of religion must also adopt the evolution and help humanity. Almost every religion has tried to adopt the change  >>>except Islam and only handful of other fanatics .  >>> >>>With great regards to each one of you, I would like you to focus upon the very first step that is to eliminate the  >>>corrupt MPs once for all from Delhi and clean the house of Bharat-Mata in coming general election. >>> >>>Respectfully, >>> >>>Kumar Arun  >>> >>>________________________________ >>> >>>From: ssbed...@yahoo.com >>>Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:53:55 -0700 >>>Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>  >>> >>>Kumar ji, >>>  >>>I agree with you but I am awaiting a reaction from Arunji.  He, I hope, would surely respond. >>>  >>>Satbir Singh Bedi >>> >>>From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:16 AM >>>Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>  >>>Satbirji!!  >>> >>>No elected Govt. would agree to declare India s a Hindu State due to our democratic process and Hindu-s divided into different sects  >>>and groups from Brahmins to Valmiki-s, the Politicians interested in perpetuating and augmenting the differences so that Hindu votes  >>>would remain split. >>>Moreoever, among Hindu-s there are many traitors working against Hinduism for personal gains., and this has been the main reasons  >>>why India was under foreign occupation subjugating Hindu-s for Centuries. >>>A ray of hope is Swami Ramdev, whose movement has millions as followers and if he forms a Political Party with main intention to  >>>remove Congress and Corruption and bring back the stashed funds abroad, perhaps the support base would be substantial and Congress  >>>could be defeated as it has happened in UP. We could not blame NDA fo non-fulfilment of the BJP agenda-s as there was sti\ff opposition  >>>from other constituents on Ram Mandir and other Hindu issues and we had the traitor Brajesh Misra dictating and implementing policies  >>>supporting SOnia throughout NDA period. >>>Anna Hazare is dilly dallying for supporting Baba Ramdev and he does not want to lose his secular image projected earlier. Now, Ramdev  >>>has declared that he would allow Sadhvi Rithambra to share the stage and we do not know the Ramdev-Anna rift whether it would widen. >>>We should all strive to prepare a Manifesto for the Hindu Party- to force BJP to adopt as restoration of all temple properties to the temples  >>>as at the time of partition and also restoration of management of temples to the Religious trusts managed by Hindu-s with no interference  >>>by Govt. Thousands of Crores of Rs. are looted annually by every State Govt. from Hindu Temples and diverted to fund Haj Travels,  >>>travel to Bethlehem, construction of mosques and Churches..etc. all these years. >>>Perhaps Arunji might also agree with me that a draft Election Manifesto >>>might be jointly prepared and discussed in this group before >>>finalisation and sent to RSS for adoption in the interests of Hindu-s and Swami Ramdev too would definitely support the same. >>>Sonia has several dossiers on BJP leaders up her sleeves and promptly uses them through CBI as we have seen the timing of Bangaru  >>>Lakshman's conviction in a matter of hours after Bofors issue was raised in the Parliament. >>> >>>________________________________ >>> >>>From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:22 AM >>>Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>Dear Mr. Kumar Arun, >>>  >>>I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support >>>the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs >>>who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is >>>concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority. >>>  >>>Regards, >>>  >>>Satbir Singh Bedi >>> >>>__________________________________________________________ >>>From: Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com> >>>Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM >>>Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>Dear Vasant ji: >>> >>>How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building? >>> >>>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS    >>>  >>>Hari OMThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. >>>  >>>__________________________________________________________ >>> >>>From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in> >>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM >>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that >>>we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building. >>> >>>V. S. Sardesai >>> >>>__________________________________________________________ >>> >>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM >>> >>>>  >>>>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji, >>>> >>>> >>>>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position >>>within government.  >>>>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my >>>>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received,  >>>>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas? >>>> >>>> >>>>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least >>>>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India? >>>>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience.  >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>Kumar Arun >>>> >>>> >>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700 >>>  From: nag...@yahoo.comSubject:  >>>  Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>>Dear Kumar ji: >>>> >>>>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from  >>>>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages,  >>>>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said,  >>>>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own  >>>>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow  >>>>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future >>>generation. >>>>   >>>> >>>>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote  >>>>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".    >>>>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks.  >>> >>>>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS    >>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com >>>  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000 >>>  Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?  >>> >>>>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for >>>>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views  >>>>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please? >>> >>>>Best regards, >>> >>>>Kumar Arun >>> >>>__________________________________________________________ >>> >>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700 >>>From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject:  >>>Re: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji,  >>>> >>>> >>>>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can.  >>>>We all >>>must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that  >>>>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country. >>>> >>>> >>>>God bless Bharat >>> >>>>Tr.    >>> >>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM >>>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>> >>>>Shri Lal Gehi ji, >>> >>>>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture. >>>>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready >>>>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 >>>years ago and that will make more sense. >>>>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us. >>> >>>>Kumar Arun >>> >>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700 >>>From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject:  >>>Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?  >>> >>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM >>>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>> >>>>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India >>>>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us >>>> >>>>a chance to >>>dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in >>>> >>>>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of' >>>>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion >>>>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive.  >>>> >>>> >>>>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being  >>>>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At >>>>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure! >>>> >>>> >>>>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely >>>>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, >>>they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way. >>>>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted. >>>>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice. >>>>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable.  >>>>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please? >>>> >>>> >>>>Respectfully, >>>> >>>> >>>>Kumar Arun >>> >>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com >>>  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100 >>>  Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ?  >>>>             >>>               9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich. >>>>  >>>>           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures. >>>>__________________________________________________________ >>> >>>>>From: grd_...@yahoo.com >>>>>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700 >>>>>Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India >>> >>>>> >>>>>HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . . >>> >>>>>1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>4. >>>Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those  >>>>>    with 90% get out because of merit. >>>>> >>>>>5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money  >>>>>    to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a  >>>>>    poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that  >>>>>    we eat, are sold on the footpath. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges  >>>>>    alone take several years to be completed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM >>>>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>> >>>>>  >>>>>Shri Bhagwat ji, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest, >>>>>willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military >>>>> >>>>>back ground. I understand that >>>dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will >>>>>be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India.  >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired  >>>>>military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to  >>>>>receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even >>>>>crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum >>>>>necessary cost for running the campaign. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However, >>>>>when they win, they will decide to chose a >>>leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night >>>>>for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them  >>>>>or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and  >>>>>many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Respectfully, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Kumar Arun >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800 >>>>>From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in >>>>>Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Namaskar! >>>>>  >>>>>                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad.  >>>>>IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF  >>>>>MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM  >>>>>THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial  >>>>>appointee, PM must drop him. >>>>>  >>>>>This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems. >>>>>  >>>>>Bhagwat Goel >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>Date: Mon, >>>23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700 >>>>>From: lalh...@yahoo.com >>>>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji,  >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others.  >>>>>Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus.  >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Tr.    >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:03 PM >>>>>Subject: RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution >>>? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>To All Participants; >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>We must keep our thoughts alive and alert that no matter how we plan to achieve our goal to take back British created  >>>>>India towards the The Vedic Bharat, the philosophy of Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Budhism, Jainisim, and several others >>>>>will have to be adjusted in new Bharat (Hindu Rashtra). One must not assume and express that Hindu Rashtra means >>>>>exclusion of all people who believe in faith other than Sanatan Dharma. My vision is simple, all other religion will exist  >>>>>under the Hindu Rashtra and they will have freedom to practice their faith only but they should not have any reservation  >>>>>in schools, jobs & politics, etc,. The criteria for reservation will be determined based only on  economic ground. The so >>>>>called minority will have no choice but to follow >>>the The Vedic traditions that would be embedded in the new constitution  >>>>>of Bharat. I will be very grateful if you please send your comments on this issues also. >>>>>Respectfully, >>>>>Dr. Kumar Arun >>>>>India Heritage Foundation >>>>>Michigan (USA) >>>>>PS: Please scroll down to read some of my thoughts that was expressed before which you may not have read it. Thanks. >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com >>>>>Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ? >>>>>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000 >>>>>Dear Fellow Patriots of India, >>>>>I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined  >>>>>for a constructive >>>discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject, >>>>>we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to >>>>>stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help >>>>>but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent >>>>>majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have >>>>>been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for >>>>>me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean >>>BJP or get out to form a separate establishment. >>>>>The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince >>>>>a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from >>>>>civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate >>>>>for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Respectfully, >>>>>Dr. Kumar Arun >>>>>Michigan (USA) >>>>>April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com >>>>>Subject: RE: How do we >>>align our constitution ? >>>>>Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:43:14 +0000 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Shri Suresh Vyas ji, >>>>>Thanks for your feedback, very much appreciated. With due respect I differ from you as far as priority in the politics  >>>>>of India. In my understanding, following sequence will be more applicable:  >>>>>      >>>>>     1.  Approach the veterans who are in good health to agree to run as an independent candidate for MP seat in their >>>>>          respective constituency. I would like to keep two more back up candidates for each constituency with all the  >>>>>          qualification and criteria. >>>>>     2.  All candidates must go through a series of seminars to educate themselves in the history of India, constitution of India, >>>>>  >>>        techniques of good governance applied in different government and different part of the world. >>>>>     4.  Once the candidates are ready, they go in the public to discuss their vision of future Bharat, ask for public feedback >>>>>          and their support. >>>>>     5.  When the time comes, register themselves as an independent candidate for MP seat. Must take the challenge from >>>>>          the community for their support with positive & winning attitude.  >>>>>     6.  Once they win, chose a leader unanimously, form government and then act on necessary amendment in the Indian >>>>>          constitution, declare Bharat a Hindu Rashtra, Hindi it's national language, rule the country based upon the truth, >>>>>      >>>    respect to their fellow citizens and ask every non-Hindus to practice their religion based on the provision in the  >>>>>          constitution as well as honoring The Vedic/Hindu way of Life. >>> >>>>>Once we achieve this much, to bring complete change in the Education System, the government will appoint Hindu scholars >>>>>to recommend how to establish the best suitable curriculum for elementary, middle, high school education free of cost for  >>>>>all children. Rest will start following in its right place, when there is no corruption and true implementation of the law of the land. >>>>>I hope you will shed more lights upon the process described above and our discussion will move forward and in right direction. >>> >>>>>With kind regards, >>> >>>>>Kumar Arun >>> >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>> >>>>>From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com> >>>>>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>>>As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic. >>>>> >>>>>Next thing is to draft amendments. >>>>> >>>>>Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved. >>>>> >>>>>Next is to enforce that constitution. >>>>> >>>>>Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom. >>>>>But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh >>>world. >>>>> >>>>>Other things can be done later after the above things. >>>>> >>>>>There should not be two separate law systems in one country. >>>>>The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed. >>>>>One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics. >>>>> >>>>>jai sri krishna! >>>>>-sv >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON  >>>>>>SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND  >>>>>>PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR >>>VOTES. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Bhagwat Goel >>>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012 6:58 PM >>>>>>Subject: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>What a challenge for an "aam-aadmi", majority Hindus, minorities Muslims, Sikhs, Christians  >>>>>>& many others who wants to live under one constitution but hardly like to discuss about it? The >>>>>>erosion in the constitution of India in the name of secularism, have left only ugly spots on the  >>>>>>white (purity) fabrics of Bharat-Mata. We Hindus can keep blaming others for the erosion in >>>our >>>>>>constitution but why can't we examine at the least our behavior before pointing finger to others?  >>>>>>It reminds me the early days of my child life how Hindus revered untouchability and let the weaker >>>>>>section live like pig. By the time I was a youth, the society demanded drastic change and tsunami  >>>>>>of social changes stunned the upper class Hindus. Even then, we Hindus refused to examine the >>>>>>constitutional rights for the every citizen of the land. Now, it is all nothing but mess we are dealing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The Vedas and other scriptures did try to guide then and still guiding for our evolution within the >>>>>>rights that come from God not from a human. The silent voices of millions if not billions are trying >>>>>>to remind the majority rowdy Indians to examine your behavior and bring necessary change >>>for >>>>>>your future survival but in vain. God may come to live among us today or tomorrow. But like it is >>>>>>described in two major epics: The Ramayan & Geeta, it took decades before God actually could >>>>>>establish meaningful change in the lives of mankind. This is the tale of all scriptures available today. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>However, God given intelligence is always guiding the force of life. If we Hindus strive to establish  >>>>>>the virtue, we can still give our young generation a chance to live in peace & harmony. As a matter >>>>>>of fact there are many practical solutions that should be examined and if worthy, can be established. >>>>>>We all know our retired officers from Indian defense team are more patriotic than political leaders of >>>>>>past or present. May I suggest every patriot of India to demand, rather request those retired >>>army,  >>>>>>navy & air-force personnel to come forward and take charge to rewrite constitution of India and rule >>>>>>the country based upon proven & long established principles of "Ram-Rajya"? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Respectfully, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Dr. Kumar Arun >>> >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Please don't confuse the matter. Find out when she heard her 'inner voice'. Was it before rushing to the Rashtrapati Bhawan claiming to form government or after meeting the Rashtrapati? And what was the necessity for her to meet the president if MMS was to become the PM? Moreover my question is different; what is the proceedure generally followed for selecting the PM? And whether was it followed in this case?

V. S.Sardesai--- On Wed, 9/5/12, devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com> wrote:

From: devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com> Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

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You have not replied to my question as to why she did not become the Prime Minister of the country when the mandate was given to her and not repeat not to Manmohan Singh.  You are only giving a standard reply that she is the President of the Congress Party while Manmohan Singh is the Prime Minister but all the people in the country know in their hearts of heart that Manmohan Singh is merely her puppet and it is she who is the de facto Prime Minister.  Then why she is not becoming the Prime Minister and facing the responsibilities.  You have simply stated that we are genetically corrupt people and population and poverty will remain.  Then why have a Govt. at all if people are to remain as they are?  A Govt. is one who sees to it that people are reformed and ruled and made to work honestly. Otherwise what for are the CBI and police and other such agencies.  You say that we are genetically corrupt.  Then you admit that you and I are also corrupt and in fact all the people in this group are corrupt.  If all the people are corrupt then this group may be wound up and we need not discuss corruption.  I find your answer very unsatisfactory.  Do you know something about the age of Ashoka the Great and also know that in his rule nobody could indulge in theft  Then how we became genetically corrupt?And why cannot we control our population?We can do it but there should be a will.  Where there is a will, there is a way.  And why are you giving unnecessary importance to Manmohan Singh. All the people except you know that he is a dummy Prime Minister and people have given him no mandate to rule the country.  Why are you silent about Sonia's abdication of her responsibility by not taking over as the Prime Minister of the country?  People have voted for her and her son to lead the country.  Everybody knows it except you.  Satbir Singh Bedi From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com> To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:27 PM Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?   The brief answer to your question is that we hold her responsible and also accountable for all those areas of activity which are not proper to the President of the Congress party Central Headquarters and not is she personally responsible for ny of them.. The division of responsibilities is that she manages the affairs of the party, the filling of the posts and winning of elections while the Manmohan Singh administration is responsible for the day to day running of the administration including the bringing of Kala Dhan, and many other welfare schemes.The reason why many things have not moved fast is because of  what Vajpayee Ji said was the coalition Dharma .   The corruption in the country is a disease which is eating into the fabric of the society and we are all responsible as we are all "Genetically" corrupt.people. It will take a long time to eradicate with education but more importantly changing the home culture of the people. The same goes for the increase in population, poverty alleviation  and so on..  Reg Devinder >________________________________ > From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com> >To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012, 16:36 >Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? > > >  > >I have already stated that she must have been very clever and intelligent to have got married to the son of a Prime Minister.  Otherwise also, there is no harm in marrying a barmaid if she fits one's standards of quality of being a wife.  However, while I am not against her being a barmaid and all that, I do not agree with her policies of appeasing the Muslims and her policy of starting so many welfare schemes when her own husband is on record to have stated that 85 paise out of every rupee earmarked for welfare schemes go into the pocket of politicians and bureaucrats.  She has failed to act on economic reforms and these welfare schemes have given rise to so much of corruption.  She has not fully eliminated the quota, license, permit raj and this is the drawback of her policy.  Moreover, she had done nothing to get black money back from Swiss banks which makes her a suspect in the public eye.  She has also failed to punish those congressmen who >were guilty of massacre of Sikhs.  She has also allowed criminalisation of politics by giving tickets to those persons against whom criminal cases are pending.  It is true that other parties have also not done anything to stop criminalisation of politics but then she is in power and much more is expected of her.  She has failed to instruct the President of India who is from Congress party to clear the Mercy petitions quickly thereby allowing terrorists a lease of life.  Most importantly, she has done nothing to control the ever growing population of the country which is the need of the hour.  She seems to be more interested in winning elections than solving the problems of the nation.  I am saying all this because we at present cannot blame opposition parties as they are not in power but it is she who is in power.  Then she had created diarchy in the sense that she is the de facto Prime Minister of the country while Manmohan Singh is the de jure >Prime Minister of the country so that there is confusion as to who actually governs the nation.  And most important point is why she is not becoming the Prime Minister of the country thereby abdicating her responsiblity or else why she is not asking her son, Rahul Gandhi to become the Prime Minister.  People have not voted for Manmohan Singh.  He could not even win his own Lok Sabha election.  So, she should stop this drama and either assume office of the Prime Minister herself or ask her son to take over as Prime Minister of the country.  If her foreign origin is raised let her fight the battle in the supreme court but why have a person who does not a b c of the politics to become Prime Minister of the country. >  >Satbir Singh Bedi > >From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com> >To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; 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"omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" ><mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 8:21 PM >Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? > >  >Satbir Ji, Nobody was bothered about her marrying the Pilot son of the then PM of India. Her misfortune started when the Congress which was in a bad shape and had no possibility of winning anything under Sita Ram Kesri. approached her and invited her to take over the reins of the Congress Party. I am sure that the Congress did not approach her as a professional  barmaid but some one who was capable of doing something  better for the party. After that what happened is for every one to see. >  >The present position is that she has proved a formidable political adversary and a thorn on the side of the opposition parties. . A woman who can beat Sushma Swaraj by a huge majority can not be without the kind of credibility.that she enjoys. I can dare say that she has more credibility than any one in the opposition. It has therefore become incumbent that she be discredited in whatever way is possible. If, however,  tomorrow she declares that she had had enough and wanted to retire, I have no doubt that she would be left alone in  no time.  Regards Devinder. , > >>________________________________ >> From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com> >>To: "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; >"bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" ><jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" ><mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >>Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012, 14:20 >>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >> >> >>  >> >>Barmaid is actually the essence of every poetry.  Omar Khayyam says, "Come fill the cup and in the fire of spring, let the winter garment of repentance fling.  The bird of time has a little while to fly and Lo! the bird is on the wings."  Of course, she must have been a very clever and intelligent woman to get married to the Prime Minister of the country.  As for me, I would not have minded marrying a bar-maid if she was beautiful.  At least I could get drinks free. >>  >>Satbir Singh Bedi >> >>From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com> >>To: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office >>(Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" >><jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" >><mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:05 PM >>Subject: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >> >>Kumar Ji, An Italian woman who goes to London to learn English has to do a job under Home Office rules either as an au-pair with a family or at a bar or a restaurant.but she was, not a professional barmaid. I should mention that I was for a time a part time barman myself besides doing a day job when I was saving hard to complete my studies and go to India to get married. Would you in all honesty call me a professional barman. The reality is that she married the son of the then Prime Minister of India and became the very popular daughter in law of the first family and that should be her starting point and her starting credentials. After that what happened is for all to see. >>  >>On the other hand Baba Ram Dev Ji is a professional Yoga teacher and earns his living by doing yoga. Of course, he can become a professional politician if he wanted to but he has to come and face the cut and thrust of the politics and not by sitting on a stage and making all kinds of noises.Once a full time politics people will soon forget about him as a yoga teacher and start remembering him as Right Honourable Baba Ram Dev MP from Rohtak. etc and judge him as that. Devinder Thakur  >>From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com> >>To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) >><bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; >>"jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh >>Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com>; Devinder Thakur <devinde...@btopenworld.com> >>Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012, 17:06 >>Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >> >>> >>>>>Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward>> >>>  >>>If an Italian barmaid serving food and liquor in the Canteen of Cambridge University, without primary education could run the Country of 1.2 billion Indians, why should the well trained Yoga teacher with patriotism to the Country aspire to rule India? >>> >>> >>>From: shadi katyalsearch <shadi...@yahoo.com> >>>To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) >><bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; >>"jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh >>Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com>; Devinder Thakur <devinde...@btopenworld.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:10 PM >>>Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>> >>>  >>>Arun ji, >>> >>>It is very interesting that how you wish to bring the retired Army officers and form a new party based on Nazi system thus controlling the lives of citizens and govt run by army officers. Have you thought for one second that if India wanted Army rule like Pakistan or even China it would have done so decades ago. It could have done when >>>Indira Gandhi brought Emergency. >>> >>>Your next choice is a Messiah named Baba Ram Dev leading the nation. Can you explain how you chose him as he is nothing but a Yoga Teacher and did you see his recent tirade against MNC and how he wish to push the nation backward. Did you hear what he has to say about abolition our Parliamentary system . Can you explain me if his views along with yours are to push India out of World village and go back to stone age.; >>> >>>On one side you wish to clean the house which everyone wants but on other side you wish to bring New Reich in due time. I suggest first form a party and write first you platform which in a way you have given some idea in one of your letters. What about Education, Technologies  etc. Is Baba Ram Dev going to lead your party or will it be ANNA or Modi ji. >>>Regards >>>shadi >>> >>>________________________________ >>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com; "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; >"brl...@gmail.com" >>><brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com" <chanda...@planmanconsulting.com>; "cit...@rediffmail.com" <cit...@rediffmail.com>; Desi Yatra(googlegroup) <desi...@googlegroups.com>; Patanjali Yogpeeth(Haridwar) <divy...@rediffmail.com>; Praveen Togadia(VHP) <drto...@gmail.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. >>>(Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>; "par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Shadi >>>Katyal(UK) <shadi...@yahoo.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:20 AM >>>Subject: RE: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>> >>>  >>>May I request all the Patriots who are pessimist about "Hindu-Rashtra" be also considerate about the >>>process that we will have to go through? Is it not well understood that the Nehru and his family had been >>> >>>breaking the back bone of the nation piece by piece? Why does any one expect ultimate change of India >>>to Bharat-Varsh to Hindu-Rashtra in one election? Should we not tell nation to first be ready to accept >>> >>>a set of new of leaders other than congress, BJP, SSP, SP, JD, JDU, ADMK, blagh blagh blagh? We shall  >>>take time in explaining the process of replacement, win their heart and their vote in the next election. >>> >>>The line of action should be to find a willing, qualified, deserving, candidate for a MP from the group of retired >>>military personnel. If we just take first step honestly and transparently, the result will produce the second step, >>>the third step and so on automatically. As a matter of fact, restoring the respect of the majority of Hindus, >>>is more important and crucial in transforming India into Hindu-Rashtra. What majority of Hindus will decide >>>is an important factor than assuming today and the end result of tomorrow. We all know, Hinduism in it's  >>>current form is totally different than our roots in Sanatan Dharma. What Baba Ramdev ji is telling the nation,  >>>should have been told by united Hindu leaders during & after Nehru to unite Hindus. Nehru kept dividing and  >>>Hindus kept tolerating. Obviously, Baba Ramdev understood the The Vedic Philosophy much better than so called  >>>Sankaracharyas in four corner of India. There has been an inbuilt process of evolution in the nature. The science  >>>of religion must also adopt the evolution and help humanity. Almost every religion has tried to adopt the change  >>>except Islam and only handful of other fanatics .  >>> >>>With great regards to each one of you, I would like you to focus upon the very first step that is to eliminate the  >>>corrupt MPs once for all from Delhi and clean the house of Bharat-Mata in coming general election. >>> >>>Respectfully, >>> >>>Kumar Arun  >>> >>>________________________________ >>> >>>From: ssbed...@yahoo.com >>>Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:53:55 -0700 >>>Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>  >>> >>>Kumar ji, >>>  >>>I agree with you but I am awaiting a reaction from Arunji.  He, I hope, would surely respond. >>>  >>>Satbir Singh Bedi >>> >>>From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:16 AM >>>Subject: Re: [issuesonline_worldwide] Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>  >>>Satbirji!!  >>> >>>No elected Govt. would agree to declare India s a Hindu State due to our democratic process and Hindu-s divided into different sects  >>>and groups from Brahmins to Valmiki-s, the Politicians interested in perpetuating and augmenting the differences so that Hindu votes  >>>would remain split. >>>Moreoever, among Hindu-s there are many traitors working against Hinduism for personal gains., and this has been the main reasons  >>>why India was under foreign occupation subjugating Hindu-s for Centuries. >>>A ray of hope is Swami Ramdev, whose movement has millions as followers and if he forms a Political Party with main intention to  >>>remove Congress and Corruption and bring back the stashed funds abroad, perhaps the support base would be substantial and Congress  >>>could be defeated as it has happened in UP. We could not blame NDA fo non-fulfilment of the BJP agenda-s as there was sti\ff opposition  >>>from other constituents on Ram Mandir and other Hindu issues and we had the traitor Brajesh Misra dictating and implementing policies  >>>supporting SOnia throughout NDA period. >>>Anna Hazare is dilly dallying for supporting Baba Ramdev and he does not want to lose his secular image projected earlier. Now, Ramdev  >>>has declared that he would allow Sadhvi Rithambra to share the stage and we do not know the Ramdev-Anna rift whether it would widen. >>>We should all strive to prepare a Manifesto for the Hindu Party- to force BJP to adopt as restoration of all temple properties to the temples  >>>as at the time of partition and also restoration of management of temples to the Religious trusts managed by Hindu-s with no interference  >>>by Govt. Thousands of Crores of Rs. are looted annually by every State Govt. from Hindu Temples and diverted to fund Haj Travels,  >>>travel to Bethlehem, construction of mosques and Churches..etc. all these years. >>>Perhaps Arunji might also agree with me that a draft Election Manifesto >>>might be jointly prepared and discussed in this group before >>>finalisation and sent to RSS for adoption in the interests of Hindu-s and Swami Ramdev too would definitely support the same. >>>Sonia has several dossiers on BJP leaders up her sleeves and promptly uses them through CBI as we have seen the timing of Bangaru  >>>Lakshman's conviction in a matter of hours after Bofors issue was raised in the Parliament. >>> >>>________________________________ >>> >>>From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:22 AM >>>Subject: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>Dear Mr. Kumar Arun, >>>  >>>I tried to put a petition for creation of a Hindu Rashtra to the Prime Minister of India but nobody, practically nobody supported me. There are some fundamental problems that people do not want to support >>>the creation of a Hindu Rashtra based on "Ram Rajya". First of all, there are 200 million Muslims in India who would never support Ram Rajya.  Hindu votes get divided and all the parties have to depend on Muslim votes.  There are many districts in India which have a Muslim majority population.  You cannot send these 200 million Muslims to Pakistan.  That is an impossible task.  Moreover, what would happen to J&K which has a Muslim majority.  Then there are a few States like Meghalaya, Nagaland, etc. where Christians are in majority. They would never agree to Ram Rajya.  Punjab is a Sikh majority state.  Sikhs are divided on the issue of creation of a Hindu Rashtra.  While Urban Sikhs are in favour of creation of a Hindu Rashtra, Rural Sikhs >>>who form a majority of the Sikhs are not in favour of a Hindu Rashtra.  So, what will happen to Punjab.  As far as Character Building is >>>concerned, RSS is doing its best to build the character of Hindus but there are certain people in RSS also who are corrupt.  Madhu Koda who was an RSS worker, is now in jail facing corruption charges. It is true that 15% of the population cannot dictate terms to 85% of the population but the demography of the country is such that national minorities like Muslims, Christians and Sikhs are in majority in some of the States.  So, how would you convince this section of the population?  My efforts at sending a petition to the Prime Minister of India for creating a Hindu Rashtra failed on this account because even Hindus are not clear what will they do to States where national minorities are in majority. >>>  >>>Regards, >>>  >>>Satbir Singh Bedi >>> >>>__________________________________________________________ >>>From: Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com> >>>Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:39 PM >>>Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>Dear Vasant ji: >>> >>>How do you plan, what do you propose, and what action or contribution you are ready to take to change the educational system to bring back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc. and above all character building? >>> >>>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS    >>>  >>>Hari OMThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. >>>  >>>__________________________________________________________ >>> >>>From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in> >>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:54 PM >>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>You are speaking of reforming India. But you can refrom [provided people are ready. Here all Indians especially the Hindus have been made slaves of the West by McCauleyan educational policy which India followed even after independence; they have forgotten their Dharma, their religion has been distorted, their ideals changed. Unless they regain their Hindu soul, there is no hope for India to improve and for that >>>we must change our educational policy bringing back the moral and ethical values, self respect etc and above all charecter building. >>> >>>V. S. Sardesai >>> >>>__________________________________________________________ >>> >>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>Date: Friday, 27 April, 2012, 7:35 AM >>> >>>>  >>>>Dear Shri Durgashankar ji, >>>> >>>> >>>>I do not need citizenship to work in India. I am not at all interested in any position >>>within government.  >>>>If I can not find one dozen strong voice in my support here on this platform, why should I believe my >>>>ideas will be appreciated in India? If you read my attached mail and all the relevant reply I have received,  >>>>not enough to understand whether people appreciate & approve my ideas? >>>> >>>> >>>>The time is not in favor of Indians settled abroad, we are considered rich and self centered which is at least >>>>NOT true in my case. Regardless, I am constantly thinking how my life can be beneficial in reforming India? >>>>I am hoping many participants of this group will either endorse my ideas or tweak it based on their experience.  >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>Kumar Arun >>>> >>>> >>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:58:45 -0700 >>>  From: nag...@yahoo.comSubject:  >>>  Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>>Dear Kumar ji: >>>> >>>>True -a picture is worth thousand words and a field visit is worth thousand pictures.  So please visit India from  >>>>a neutral, impartial, 'Moha-rahit", selfless service view and see the present conditions in India -especially in villages,  >>>>with service alone.  The same Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ji -the father of the nation "Raashtra Pitaa", also said,  >>>>"India lives in villages". I am convinced that if all such Indians living in the comfort of foreign lands sacrifice their own  >>>>comfort and move back to India to serve, love and dedicate themselves to their own Maatrabhumee and their fellow  >>>>humans they will make a better view of India for their children and future >>>generation. >>>>   >>>> >>>>So please don't be silent and limit yourself to emails and internet but ACT firsthand, take Indian citizenship and vote  >>>>to bring honest morally strong people to serve their motherland because "Yathaa Raajaa Tathaa Prajaa".    >>>>YOU are king maker, and king -the biggest servant of his nation and nationals. Thanks.  >>> >>>>With best wishes, and regards, Sincerely, DS    >>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com >>>  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:49:46 +0000 >>>  Subject: RE: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?  >>> >>>>Thanks to Shri Lal Gehi ji, Shri Vasant Desai ji, Shri Bhagwat ji, Shri Gaurang Desai ji, Col. Sundar ji and many others for >>>>participating in this important discussion. you have expressed your general comment but not much of your specific views  >>>>as how to complete the task from start to finish. May I request you to express your ideas about the process please? >>> >>>>Best regards, >>> >>>>Kumar Arun >>> >>>__________________________________________________________ >>> >>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:24 -0700 >>>From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject:  >>>Re: [media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>>Thank you, Dr. Kumar Arun ji,  >>>> >>>> >>>>We all sincere sons of Bharat Mata, MUST serve our country, in any way we can.  >>>>We all >>>must build Bharat on the foundation of sincerity, and selfless work, so that  >>>>our future generation can proudly say, that our fathers built this beautiful country. >>>> >>>> >>>>God bless Bharat >>> >>>>Tr.    >>> >>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:49 AM >>>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>> >>>>Shri Lal Gehi ji, >>> >>>>A picture speaks thousand words. Once popular, father of nation, is looking down & depressed even in this picture. >>>>I guess this is the biggest drawback of democracy. Since India have chosen to be a secular democracy much before it was ready >>>>for it, this generations have to deal with it. One can learn the creation of USA only 300 >>>years ago and that will make more sense. >>>>Thanks for sharing this beautiful portrait of Mahatma Gandhi with all of us. >>> >>>>Kumar Arun >>> >>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:39:25 -0700 >>>From: lalh...@yahoo.comSubject:  >>>Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ?  >>> >>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:48 AM >>>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>> >>>>Being biased against whom you personally dislike, is quite understandable but how can a patriot of India >>>>will be biased against the meaningful reform of his/her country? The question is very simple but gives us >>>> >>>>a chance to >>>dive deeper to search the answer. Who among you can truly convince that political parties in >>>> >>>>India are truly devoting their time and effort to uplift the poor? This poor may come from any section of' >>>>larger diversified communities. This poor may be associated with any religion or converted from religion >>>>A to B in search of food which is the most basic need in order to survive.  >>>> >>>> >>>>If you truly want to help this poor hindu, muslim, christian, sikh, parsee or even an atheist without being  >>>>biased, how would you help? You may think your generous donation will be helpful but for how long? At >>>>one point you, I, and us may reach to the same sate. Every one thinks not me, but no one knows for sure! >>>> >>>> >>>>I have tried to reach you for your honest feedback for an epidemic in our Indian politics. No party is sincerely >>>>interested in uplifting the lives of poor class, >>>they depend on their votes which they manage to rig it any way. >>>>Once the politician join the club, they receive the course in deception, divide and rule the very people voted. >>>>This trend has polluted the civilians character to an extent where only few percentage are spared by choice. >>>>This is why I have brought a proposal which is fresh, bold, simple, appreciable to majority and workable.  >>>>Please do help each other in exploring the depth (ocean) and find the best answer (pearl), would you please? >>>> >>>> >>>>Respectfully, >>>> >>>> >>>>Kumar Arun >>> >>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com >>>  Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:27:40 +0100 >>>  Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] [scw] How do we align our constitution ?  >>>>             >>>               9.  Every India is looking to become chance rich. >>>>  >>>>           10.  When ill, they do not seek medical assistance but look for miracle cures. >>>>__________________________________________________________ >>> >>>>>From: grd_...@yahoo.com >>>>>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:50:20 -0700 >>>>>Subject: [media_monitor5] Incredible India >>> >>>>> >>>>>HOW DO U FEEL AFTER READING THIS MAIL ABOUT INCREDIBLE INDIA. . . >>> >>>>>1. We live in a nation where Rice is Rs.40/- per kg and Sim Card is free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>2. Pizza reaches home faster than Ambulance and Police. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>3. Car loan @ 5% but education loan @ 12%. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>4. >>>Students with 35% get in elite institutions thru quota system and those  >>>>>    with 90% get out because of merit. >>>>> >>>>>5. Where a millionaire can buy a cricket team instead of donating the money  >>>>>    to any charity. 2 IPL teams are auctioned at 3300 crores and we are still a  >>>>>    poor country where people starve for 2 square meals per day. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>6. Where the footwear, we wear, are sold in AC showrooms, but vegetables, that  >>>>>    we eat, are sold on the footpath. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>7. Where everybody wants to be famous but nobody wants to follow the path to be famous. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>8. Assembly complex buildings are getting ready within one year while public transport bridges  >>>>>    alone take several years to be completed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:42 PM >>>>>Subject: RE: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>> >>>>>  >>>>>Shri Bhagwat ji, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Namaskar. The ratification of Indian constitution is not main issue at this point but to find a way to bring honest, >>>>>willing and capable to Delhi as a MP, is the main issue. Please read the contents of the mail from bottom to up. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I do believe, the citizen of India will give serious considerations to a MP candidate if that person come from military >>>>> >>>>>back ground. I understand that >>>dishonest people are every where but patriotism of a retired military personnel will >>>>>be unparalleled to a civilian leaders of modern India.  >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The most important question that has been brought to my attention that why a MP candidate from a group of retired  >>>>>military personnel only? Two main reason: majority of them are patriot and they will be able to impress voters to  >>>>>receive their full support. It is obvious, if "aam-aadmi" will support, the candidate does not need many lakhs and even >>>>>crores to fight the election. We will be behind such candidate. We will be able to collect public fund to meet the minimum >>>>>necessary cost for running the campaign. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I am not proposing to start a new party, all our candidates will fight election as an independent candidate. However, >>>>>when they win, they will decide to chose a >>>leader, will consult with all of us who have been working day & night >>>>>for their win. They will get their feet in the parliament to fight with the Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul machine to stop them  >>>>>or remove them from their power chair. Then, and only then the ratification of Indian constitution, education, and  >>>>>many other factors, will come into discussion. I hope this clarifies your concern & question. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Respectfully, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Kumar Arun >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 04:01:25 +0800 >>>>>From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in >>>>>Subject: Re: [media_monitor5] RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Namaskar! >>>>>  >>>>>                              I am sorry I have not been able to apply my mind in detail.  Our Constitution is not bad.  >>>>>IT IS THOSE WHO APPLY IT. BASIC IDEA IS TO PREVENT PRESSURES ON THE PM & COUNCIL OF  >>>>>MINISTERS. In my humble opinion.. ONCE THE MAJORITY PARTY DECIDES ITS CANDIDATE FOR PM  >>>>>THEN 1/2 of OPPOSITION MP's MUST RATIFY. Similiarly if 1/2 of opposition MP's  reject any ministerial  >>>>>appointee, PM must drop him. >>>>>  >>>>>This is  how we can have best of Parliamentary & Presidential systems. >>>>>  >>>>>Bhagwat Goel >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>Date: Mon, >>>23 Apr 2012 19:30:33 -0700 >>>>>From: lalh...@yahoo.com >>>>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I agree with views of Dr. Arun Kumar ji,  >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>80% Hindus of Bharat can not be held hostage, by less than 15% Muslims or others.  >>>>>Heritage of Hindu culture must be maintained in the home of Hindus.  >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Tr.    >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:03 PM >>>>>Subject: RE: [scw] How do we align our constitution >>>? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>To All Participants; >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>We must keep our thoughts alive and alert that no matter how we plan to achieve our goal to take back British created  >>>>>India towards the The Vedic Bharat, the philosophy of Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Budhism, Jainisim, and several others >>>>>will have to be adjusted in new Bharat (Hindu Rashtra). One must not assume and express that Hindu Rashtra means >>>>>exclusion of all people who believe in faith other than Sanatan Dharma. My vision is simple, all other religion will exist  >>>>>under the Hindu Rashtra and they will have freedom to practice their faith only but they should not have any reservation  >>>>>in schools, jobs & politics, etc,. The criteria for reservation will be determined based only on  economic ground. The so >>>>>called minority will have no choice but to follow >>>the The Vedic traditions that would be embedded in the new constitution  >>>>>of Bharat. I will be very grateful if you please send your comments on this issues also. >>>>>Respectfully, >>>>>Dr. Kumar Arun >>>>>India Heritage Foundation >>>>>Michigan (USA) >>>>>PS: Please scroll down to read some of my thoughts that was expressed before which you may not have read it. Thanks. >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com >>>>>Subject: RE: How do we align our constitution ? >>>>>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:15:16 +0000 >>>>>Dear Fellow Patriots of India, >>>>>I do understand every one's apprehension, concern and uncertainty. I am glad to see that several of you have joined  >>>>>for a constructive >>>discussion. As  Shri Bhagwa ji has written, we need to debate/exchange our views on this subject, >>>>>we are doing it. May I request you to please scroll the page down and read one more time from the bottom up to >>>>>stay together. I have included some of the conversation and have tried to compile in one place for you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Col. Sundar, may I request you think about the public perception about BJP at this point? You have joined BJP to help >>>>>but the top leaders in BJP probably are not serous to help the party which has always be seen as party to represent >>>>>majority Hindu interest. RSS and VHP being the back bone of the BJP, are also very confused why leaders in BJP have >>>>>been acting the way they are acting. In my understanding, BJP leaders are subdued by Sonia factor but this is hard for >>>>>me to prove. However, I would like you to start thinking to either clean >>>BJP or get out to form a separate establishment. >>>>>The military in India has been always considered a Patriot compare to white cloth politicians. At this point, I can convince >>>>>a panchayat, younger or urban population to trust a MP candidate who is retired from military than an individual coming from >>>>>civilian sector. We need to bring only honest, uncorrupt and willing individual from "retired military group" to chose a candidate >>>>>for MP in the next general election. Please find the chronology of steps described below: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Respectfully, >>>>>Dr. Kumar Arun >>>>>Michigan (USA) >>>>>April 23, 2012 @ 8 AM EST >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>From: kuma...@hotmail.com >>>>>Subject: RE: How do we >>>align our constitution ? >>>>>Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:43:14 +0000 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Shri Suresh Vyas ji, >>>>>Thanks for your feedback, very much appreciated. With due respect I differ from you as far as priority in the politics  >>>>>of India. In my understanding, following sequence will be more applicable:  >>>>>      >>>>>     1.  Approach the veterans who are in good health to agree to run as an independent candidate for MP seat in their >>>>>          respective constituency. I would like to keep two more back up candidates for each constituency with all the  >>>>>          qualification and criteria. >>>>>     2.  All candidates must go through a series of seminars to educate themselves in the history of India, constitution of India, >>>>>  >>>        techniques of good governance applied in different government and different part of the world. >>>>>     4.  Once the candidates are ready, they go in the public to discuss their vision of future Bharat, ask for public feedback >>>>>          and their support. >>>>>     5.  When the time comes, register themselves as an independent candidate for MP seat. Must take the challenge from >>>>>          the community for their support with positive & winning attitude.  >>>>>     6.  Once they win, chose a leader unanimously, form government and then act on necessary amendment in the Indian >>>>>          constitution, declare Bharat a Hindu Rashtra, Hindi it's national language, rule the country based upon the truth, >>>>>      >>>    respect to their fellow citizens and ask every non-Hindus to practice their religion based on the provision in the  >>>>>          constitution as well as honoring The Vedic/Hindu way of Life. >>> >>>>>Once we achieve this much, to bring complete change in the Education System, the government will appoint Hindu scholars >>>>>to recommend how to establish the best suitable curriculum for elementary, middle, high school education free of cost for  >>>>>all children. Rest will start following in its right place, when there is no corruption and true implementation of the law of the land. >>>>>I hope you will shed more lights upon the process described above and our discussion will move forward and in right direction. >>> >>>>>With kind regards, >>> >>>>>Kumar Arun >>> >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>> >>>>>From: Suresh Vyas <skan...@gmail.com> >>>>>Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:46 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>> >>>>>As I indicated before, first thing is to identify paragraphs of the constitution that are anti-Vedic. >>>>> >>>>>Next thing is to draft amendments. >>>>> >>>>>Next is to use united political process to get those ammendments approved. >>>>> >>>>>Next is to enforce that constitution. >>>>> >>>>>Dharma do not force anyone. it gives maximum freedom. >>>>>But it cannot allow an ideology that has its goal to wipe out the Vedic dharma from Bhaarat and teh >>>world. >>>>> >>>>>Other things can be done later after the above things. >>>>> >>>>>There should not be two separate law systems in one country. >>>>>The Muslims all over the world try to enter Sharia is law system, and that cannot be allowed. >>>>>One law for all Vedics and pro-Vedics. >>>>> >>>>>jai sri krishna! >>>>>-sv >>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I totally agree with Arun Ji;  LET US ALL HAVE A DEBATE/EXCHANGE OF OUR VIEWS ON  >>>>>>SUBVERSION OF CONSTITUTION IN THE NAME OF SECULAR,HUMAN RIGHTS AND  >>>>>>PAMPERING OF INTERESTS OF COMMUNITIES FOR >>>VOTES. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Bhagwat Goel >>>>>>__________________________________________________________ >>>>>>From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012 6:58 PM >>>>>>Subject: [scw] How do we align our constitution ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>What a challenge for an "aam-aadmi", majority Hindus, minorities Muslims, Sikhs, Christians  >>>>>>& many others who wants to live under one constitution but hardly like to discuss about it? The >>>>>>erosion in the constitution of India in the name of secularism, have left only ugly spots on the  >>>>>>white (purity) fabrics of Bharat-Mata. We Hindus can keep blaming others for the erosion in >>>our >>>>>>constitution but why can't we examine at the least our behavior before pointing finger to others?  >>>>>>It reminds me the early days of my child life how Hindus revered untouchability and let the weaker >>>>>>section live like pig. By the time I was a youth, the society demanded drastic change and tsunami  >>>>>>of social changes stunned the upper class Hindus. Even then, we Hindus refused to examine the >>>>>>constitutional rights for the every citizen of the land. Now, it is all nothing but mess we are dealing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The Vedas and other scriptures did try to guide then and still guiding for our evolution within the >>>>>>rights that come from God not from a human. The silent voices of millions if not billions are trying >>>>>>to remind the majority rowdy Indians to examine your behavior and bring necessary change >>>for >>>>>>your future survival but in vain. God may come to live among us today or tomorrow. But like it is >>>>>>described in two major epics: The Ramayan & Geeta, it took decades before God actually could >>>>>>establish meaningful change in the lives of mankind. This is the tale of all scriptures available today. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>However, God given intelligence is always guiding the force of life. If we Hindus strive to establish  >>>>>>the virtue, we can still give our young generation a chance to live in peace & harmony. As a matter >>>>>>of fact there are many practical solutions that should be examined and if worthy, can be established. >>>>>>We all know our retired officers from Indian defense team are more patriotic than political leaders of >>>>>>past or present. May I suggest every patriot of India to demand, rather request those retired >>>army,  >>>>>>navy & air-force personnel to come forward and take charge to rewrite constitution of India and rule >>>>>>the country based upon proven & long established principles of "Ram-Rajya"? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Respectfully, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Dr. Kumar Arun >>> >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Friends,   I was reading an old SciFi prediction courtsey HG Wells written in the early 1900's, where he draws pictures of 21st century cities. All hovercrafts, skywalks, glass & metal; no trees, no grass, no water.   But as we see, 21'st century cities are more like a snapshot of the inhabitants past refuge of antiquity - they recreate Jeruzalem, York, Masada, El Dorade and the Atlantis. The street names are still the same. every new city in US still has a broad street, main street, elm street, broadway. Every home has a grass lawn, and for those who can afford, water.   If we project to a future 1000 years from now, I can still see grass and water. even though we don't eat grass, the preference is hardwired in the human gene. We will do the same things we did 1000 years back, have the same preferences, organize similarly and history will repeat itself as long as we don't tamper with our genes.   The Vedic religion is like the "grass and water" of human endeavour. Its the only one that connects our evolutionary path with modern aspiration. people may mean different thinks by "glory" etc but what we need to look for is a path that reflects our evolved predispositions. There is only one that survived, its in India. --- On Tue, 5/8/12, devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com> wrote: Shadi Ji, A brief answer to your question is that we are narrow minded because we are a close society, very inward looking, very backward thinking, do not easily lean or adopt new and innovative ideas ,thoughts or philosophies. We are comfortable with the tried and tested and shrink from anything that we are no familier with. Our economic insecurity is an added factor which prevents us from being an enterprising nation..   We need to change our thinking, remove our suspicion and fear of foreigners as the world has moved on and historic blunders are not going to be repeated because India of the twenty first century is a different country than what it was in the middle ages.  We must overcome our innate tendency to try and drag India back to its imaginary past glory which I do not think ever existed. We have a great future ahead of us but only if we are prepared to take the challenges of a growing nation in our stride and move ahead with confidence and speed. Regards Devinder

From: shadi katyalsearch <shadi...@yahoo.com> To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Devinder Thakur <devinde...@btopenworld.com> Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012, 22:39 Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

Devinder ji, One must ask the question why are we so narrow minded and why are we afaird to bring new blood and pool of genes to the nation. Why do we feel so negative?: We have been so brain washed for so many years with East India Syndrome that we even question any white person with better than ours own ability. One cannot state that we are not capbale and many fields we are better but this syndrome has made us xenophobic and that in my language is nothing but defeatist attitude . World is now a village and it should be open to all the best we can have from anywhere for our people but unfortunately we have closed our minds and thus developments. One can see Indians of all caliber working all over the world and doing much better than they would have done in India. We have to change our present climate of negative thinking and throw the miles of red tape and remove all road blocks for progress. Look around and see how 2 Indian firms have almost monopoly of steel production in the world and yet we have a very small part of it. Mittals grew out of India as he could not have a mall smelter even and thus went to Indonesia and started his journey from there. JRD TATA tried his best to increase his production and a new plant but was refused and look now how the youngsters have taken over the world industry. This all came after we shed some of our Nehruvian economy. We still need more liberalism to move ahead or I fear that bad days of 90's before liberalizations are coming back to haunt the nation. I can tell you the story of Ambassador as my late cousin was the Chief Production engineer. The Nehru Govt has limited its total product-on of  cars and thus there was no way one could innovate anything.It had as my son used to say a Lawn Mover engine and gas guzzler. we still have very closed economy and unless like the Chines and Vietnamese we become pragmatic and leave all the baggage of the past and move with the times we will suffer and poverty will increase. Industry will bring jobs,lhealthcare and education as well as middle class the back none of any nation. All these quotas on religious basis will disappear automatically. Thin of Future Regards shadi

From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com> To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:02 PM Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

This is a one off enterprise after the heart of Rajiv Gandhi. I do not think any other Indian would dare marry a white woman and bring her to India and expct us to accept her.     More seriously, there are many white Hindus who would probably make good ministers of not PMs. Since we are on this topic, I personally think (please don't lynch me) that we should shed our phony war with the East India Company and hire administrative talent in every walk of life, and from any part of the world, if we want to move ahead in the world. Alone we are only capable of a Permit Raj and a converted that eyesore Austin A-40 1952 model and proudly call it "Hindustan Ambassador". Between us we can not even produce enough gunny bags to store our handsome crop of wheat. What more can we do.   This morning Hillary Clinton has offered state of the art technology for the storage of our fresh produce from wilting and the farmer to get a good return on his products. Shed the emotibve slogans like "Keep the Wal Mart out. throw the MNC's out and we all should buy indigenous potions made by the YogPeeth Ltd, at Haridwar and we will happily live ever after.

From: MediaM <mw_...@yahoo.com> To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012, 13:23 Subject: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

There is a reason the Indian cricket team hires foreign coaches. Its not just shopping for the best trainer/leader out there, it also helps get over regional lobbies. From that POV there shouldn't be any ancestry bar on the PM's office provided that person has distinguished himself/herself over locally available talent significantly, and has established his/her allegance to the nation. Koenraad Elst or Vamdev Shastri would make very good PM.

[devinde...@btopenworld.com]

No body is try to confuse the issue. The problem is that you people do not want to believe anything that contradicts your own make believe stories.(canards)

 Of course her foreign origin was the major reason for her not accepting the position even if it was avaialable to her. I would have given Dr Kalam all the credit for it if the Congress party had put forth her name and  Dr Kalam had put his foot down and said "No" That would have been truly the constitutional crisis. or alternatively,

 

I would have given Dr Swamy all the credit if she was rejected purely on the ground that there was no reciprocity arrangement with Italy.  

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Vasantji!!

 

As usual Devinderji is attempting to confuse the issue to prove the "sacrifice theory" put forth by COngress to eulogize her character. But the facts are otherwise and that is why Dr.Kalam was not given a second term of Presidency as a vendetta and Praathibha Patil, the successful cook of Indira Gandhi was placed in the exalted position. Now also she is looking for someone totally subservient to her at Raisinia Hill.

 

Satbirji!!, This also clarifies your doubt.

 

Dr.Swamy

....In other democratic countries, including in Italy, such an issue [of foreign-born aspiring to be head of government]would not even arise at all because the issue has already been settled by incorporating into law that a person cannot hold the highest public office unless he or she is native born.

 

In India there is no such law but the President, according my knowledge, has correctly acted on a proviso to Section 5 of the Indian Citizenship Act[1955] which requires the Union Home Ministry to lay down conditions to Indian citizenship acquired by foreigners by registration, condition based on the principle of reciprocity [see annexure 1 & 2]. In Ms Gandhi’s case, such of those conditions that apply to Indians on becoming citizens of Italy , would apply to her.

 

The President reportedly had communicated to Ms. Gandhi on the afternoon of May 17, 2004, that if she insisted on being invited to form the government, he would want first to clarify, on a reference to the Supreme Court, whether in view of this proviso her appointment as PM could be successfully challenged in the court.

 

It is fair to assume that this report of the President’s decision is correct, since the President had before him my petition dated May 15, 2004 [see Annexure-3] making just that point--- that Ms. Gandhi’s citizenship is conditional, and in particular she cannot be the PM legally.

 

The President had also given me an appointment at 12.45 PM on May 17, 2004 to explain my submissions in person, which I did. I also told him that I would challenge such a unconstitutional appointment in the Supreme Court just as I had in 2001 when Ms Jayalalitha was illegally sworn in as Chief Minister by the Tamil Nadu Governor.

 

In that case, the Supreme Court had after hearing me and many other constitutional luminaries, upheld my contention that mere majority in the House is insufficient for being sworn in to a constitutional office, and that the constitutional appointing authority must ensure that there are no disqualifications as well. Ms. Jayalalitha had therefore to step down because she had been disqualified by her conviction in a trial court in the TANSI corruption case [filed by me as a private complaint]. She was subsequently acquitted by the Madras High Court, and hence became eligible the following year.

 

I also cited to the President a 1962 Allahabad High Court case which held that this proviso in the Citizenship Act was binding and lawful.

 

The nation by the stalling of Sonia becoming Prime Minister of India, has thus got an unexpected but temporary reprieve, a reprieve received not only because her citizenship of India by registration is not equal to one by birth even by Indian law, but a reprieve more because of the national security risk that was averted.

 

To comprehend that risk, we must however first understand who Sonia Gandhi really is and what kind of danger she, her family and her friends in Italy , hold for India ’s national security. Very little is known about the Mainos’ murky past, and the little that we are told about Sonia are lies. In other words, Indians do not know who Sonia really is or what she represents [see Annexure-4].

 

Even for an Indian born citizen, we find it difficult to know a person’s true background, but for a foreign-born it is extremely hard because of the remoteness of the place and the language barrier for most people, in this case---Italian.

 

This note is thus an aide d’memoir of certain verifiable facts that taken together constitute the danger that Sonia Gandhi represents for the nation. And that is the real Sonia and what she represents.

 

 

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Chori, loot, deception, poverty, continues in India, while Congress, bleeders of Bharat, continue to enjoy the power of KURSI, rule and fool, 1.2 billion hardworking, intelligent, people of Bharat. !!

God bless Bharat. 

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I do not agree.  It is the Constitution which is supreme and not some act of the Parliament.  This act could have been challenged in the Supreme Court.  No act can be such that it violates the Constitutional provisions.  I think that she did not become PM because she was afraid of something which, of course, I do not know.  However, Late Mr. Jyoti Basu had also hinted that nothing can be done as she is fearful. 

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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No body is try to confuse the issue. The problem is that you people do not want to believe anything that contradicts your own make believe stories.(canards)

 Of course her foreign origin was the major reason for her not accepting the position even if it was avaialable to her. I would have given Dr Kalam all the credit for it if the Congress party had put forth her name and  Dr Kalam had put his foot down and said "No" That would have been truly the constitutional crisis. or alternatively,
 
I would have given Dr Swamy all the credit if she was rejected purely on the ground that there was no reciprocity arrangement with Italy.  

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> From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com>
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>Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 9:06 PM
>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>
> 
>I do not know what is it that you find so confusing.
> 
>She went to see the President as the President of a victorious party. She did not go there as a PM candidate as it was not decided at that stage, but the speculation was already ripe in the corridors of power that she be made the PM. It was after her meeting with the President,  that the party faithfuls met at her place to tell her that they were expecting her to become the PM. It was then that she said that thanks but no thanks. 
> 
>There was nothing to stop her saying that she wanted to become the PM but there would be an (imaginary) constitutional hitch. There was none.
> 
>Separately, Dr Swamy went to see Dr Kalam to tell him that there was no reciprocity arrangement which is completely irrelevant to this situation as I have explained elsewhere on this link..
> 
> 
>
>
>

>>________________________________

>> From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>
>>To: media_m...@yahoogroups.com; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>
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>>Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012, 15:55
>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>
>> 
>>Please don't confuse the matter. Find out when she heard her 'inner voice'. Was it before rushing to the Rashtrapati Bhawan claiming to form government or after meeting the Rashtrapati? And what was the necessity for her to meet the president if MMS was to become the PM? Moreover my question is different; what is the proceedure generally followed for selecting the PM? And whether was it followed in this case?
>>
>>V. S.Sardesai --- On Wed, 9/5/12, devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com>
>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>To: "vasant sardesai" <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>, "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>, "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>
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>>>Date: Wednesday, 9 May, 2012, 11:24 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>According to the normal practise, her party wanted to elect her as the PM but her inner voice came in the way. The next best alternative was  an unelected Dr Manmohan Singh and he is still with us.
>>>

>>>>________________________________

>>>>From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>
>>>>To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; devinde...@btopenworld.com
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>>>>Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012, 6:42
>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>
>>>>Why should we guess out what had happened? What is the practice that is generally followed in appointing the PM? Was there any deviation from the normal practice followed and if so why?
>>>>
>>>>V.S. Sardesai
>>>>
>>>>--- On Tue, 8/5/12, devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com>
>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>>To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>, "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>
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<grd_...@yahoo.com>, "Col R Sundar(India)" <crsu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>Date: Tuesday, 8 May, 2012, 12:51 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Kumar Ji, The reciprocity clause is a fig leaf. It has no real value. The basic issue was whether a foreign born naturalised citizen should be become the PM. She did see the President to declare that her party had the requisite majority. The question was whether she would head the government??. She came out in the lawn of her house where the her faithfuls had gathered when she declared about her inner voice. The diplomatic way of saying "Thanks but no thanks" 
>>>>>
>>>>>We can add whatever slant we want to the story. I still think that life would have been become pretty miserable for her if she had become the PM..
>>>>>

>>>>>>________________________________

>>>>>>From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
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>>>>>>Cc: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>;
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>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012, 7:57
>>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>Devinderji!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>Why do you twist the matters to honour Sonia as if she had sacrificed th position offered to her as PM?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>Are you aware that prior to meeting the President she said, she would be leading the Govt. meaning as PM.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>When Kalam pointed out this could be challenged in Court as reciprocity clause with Italy does not permit an India born Italian Citizen to hold even a position in local bodies at Italy. She had to swallow her pride and withdraw and the Congressmen proudly declared that she sacrificed the offer of PM and made MM SIngh the PM!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>Tonsuring threat by Sushma and others are just non-issues here
>>>>>>

>>>>>>________________________________

>>>>>>From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com>
>>>>>>To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>
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>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:07 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>Dr Kalam did express his opinion that her appointment might raise some constitutional(?) questions as she was a naturalised citizen but the real reaction came fom Pawar & Co and Mrs Sushma Swaraj and her threat to tonsure her head and sleep on the floor and so on. As it is there is a tirade of accusation against her being the President of her party. All hell would have been let loose if she had become the PM. 
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>________________________________

>>>>>>>From: Madhukar Ambekar <madhukar...@me.com>
>>>>>>>To: desi...@googlegroups.com
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>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, 7 May 2012, 22:22
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>On 6 May 2012, at 17:59, devinde...@btopenworld.com wrote:
>>>>>>>She did not become the PM as it would have been an unprecedented move and she would have met with such fierce opposition from all sides that it would have been impossible for her to function.even for a day.  She read the writing on the wall. If I am not wrong the writing on the wall was shown to her to read by Dr. A.P.J. Kalam and his advisors who so ever those may be. You may have different opinion for what ever reasons?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>Moreover, she did what a good mother does for her children. She kept the space vacant for her son. Whether he will make or not is another debate.
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>;
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<mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012, 17:26
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>You have not replied to my question as to why she did not become the Prime Minister of the country when the mandate was given to her and not repeat not to Manmohan Singh.  You are only giving a standard reply that she is the President of the Congress Party while Manmohan Singh is the Prime Minister but all the people in the country know in their hearts of heart that Manmohan Singh is merely her puppet and it is she who is the de facto Prime Minister.  Then why she is not becoming the Prime Minister and facing the responsibilities.  You have simply stated that we are genetically corrupt people and population and poverty will remain.  Then why have a Govt. at all if people are to remain as they are?  A Govt. is one who sees to it that people are reformed and ruled and made to work honestly. Otherwise what for are the CBI and police and other such agencies.  You say that we are genetically corrupt.  Then you admit that you and I are also
corrupt and in fact all the people in this group are corrupt.  If all the people are corrupt then this group may be wound up and we need not discuss corruption.  I find your answer very unsatisfactory.  Do you know something about the age of Ashoka the Great and also know that in his rule nobody could indulge in theft  Then how we became genetically corrupt?And why cannot we control our population?We can do it but there should be a will.  Where there is a will, there is a way.  And why are you giving unnecessary importance to Manmohan Singh. All the people except you know that he is a dummy Prime Minister and people have given him no mandate to rule the country.  Why are you silent about Sonia's abdication of her responsibility by not taking over as the Prime Minister of the country?  People have voted for her and her son to lead the country.  Everybody knows it except you.  Satbir Singh Bedi From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com"
<devinde...@btopenworld.com> To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar)
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<vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:27 PM Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?   The brief answer to your question is that we hold her responsible and also accountable for all those areas of activity which are not proper to the President of the Congress party Central Headquarters and not is she personally responsible for ny of them.. The division of responsibilities is that she manages the affairs of the party, the filling of the posts and winning of elections while the Manmohan Singh administration is responsible for the day to day running of the administration including the bringing of Kala Dhan, and many other welfare schemes.The reason why many things have not moved fast is
because of  what Vajpayee Ji said was the coalition Dharma .   The corruption in the country is a disease which is eating into the fabric of the society and we are all responsible as we are all "Genetically" corrupt.people. It will take a long time to eradicate with education but more importantly changing the home culture of the people. The same goes for the increase in population, poverty alleviation  and so on..  Reg Devinder >________________________________ > From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com> >To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup)
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married to the son of a Prime Minister.  Otherwise also, there is no harm in marrying a barmaid if she fits one's standards of quality of being a wife.  However, while I am not against her being a barmaid and all that, I do not agree with her policies of appeasing the Muslims and her policy of starting so many welfare schemes when her own husband is on record to have stated that 85 paise out of every rupee earmarked for welfare schemes go into the pocket of politicians and bureaucrats.  She has failed to act on economic reforms and these welfare schemes have given rise to so much of corruption.  She has not fully eliminated the quota, license, permit raj and this is the drawback of her policy.  Moreover, she had done nothing to get black money back from Swiss banks which makes her a suspect in the public eye.  She has also failed to punish those congressmen who >were guilty of massacre of Sikhs.  She has also allowed criminalisation of politics
by giving tickets to those persons against whom criminal cases are pending.  It is true that other parties have also not done anything to stop criminalisation of politics but then she is in power and much more is expected of her.  She has failed to instruct the President of India who is from Congress party to clear the Mercy petitions quickly thereby allowing terrorists a lease of life.  Most importantly, she has done nothing to control the ever growing population of the country which is the need of the hour.  She seems to be more interested in winning elections than solving the problems of the nation.  I am saying all this because we at present cannot blame opposition parties as they are not in power but it is she who is in power.  Then she had created diarchy in the sense that she is the de facto Prime Minister of the country while Manmohan Singh is the de jure >Prime Minister of the country so that there is confusion as to who actually governs
the nation.  And most important point is why she is not becoming the Prime Minister of the country thereby abdicating her responsiblity or else why she is not asking her son, Rahul Gandhi to become the Prime Minister.  People have not voted for Manmohan Singh.  He could not even win his own Lok Sabha election.  So, she should stop this drama and either assume office of the Prime Minister herself or ask her son to take over as Prime Minister of the country.  If her foreign origin is raised let her fight the battle in the supreme court but why have a person who does not a b c of the politics to become Prime Minister of the country. >  >Satbir Singh Bedi > >From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com> >To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com"
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[satbir singh]

I do not agree.  It is the Constitution which is supreme and not some act of the Parliament.  This act could have been challenged in the Supreme Court.  No act can be such that it violates the Constitutional provisions.  I think that she did not become PM because she was afraid of something which, of course, I do not know.  However, Late Mr. Jyoti Basu had also hinted that nothing can be done as she is fearful. 

 

Satbir Singh Bedi

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Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?

No body is try to confuse the issue. The problem is that you people do not want to believe anything that contradicts your own make believe stories.(canards)

 Of course her foreign origin was the major reason for her not accepting the position even if it was avaialable to her. I would have given Dr Kalam all the credit for it if the Congress party had put forth her name and  Dr Kalam had put his foot down and said "No" That would have been truly the constitutional crisis. or alternatively,
 
I would have given Dr Swamy all the credit if she was rejected purely on the ground that there was no reciprocity arrangement with Italy.  

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>I do not know what is it that you find so confusing.
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>She went to see the President as the President of a victorious party. She did not go there as a PM candidate as it was not decided at that stage, but the speculation was already ripe in the corridors of power that she be made the PM. It was after her meeting with the President,  that the party faithfuls met at her place to tell her that they were expecting her to become the PM. It was then that she said that thanks but no thanks. 
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>There was nothing to stop her saying that she wanted to become the PM but there would be an (imaginary) constitutional hitch. There was none.
> 
>Separately, Dr Swamy went to see Dr Kalam to tell him that there was no reciprocity arrangement which is completely irrelevant to this situation as I have explained elsewhere on this link..
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>>Please don't confuse the matter. Find out when she heard her 'inner voice'. Was it before rushing to the Rashtrapati Bhawan claiming to form government or after meeting the Rashtrapati? And what was the necessity for her to meet the president if MMS was to become the PM? Moreover my question is different; what is the proceedure generally followed for selecting the PM? And whether was it followed in this case?
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>>V. S.Sardesai --- On Wed, 9/5/12, devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
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>>>Date: Wednesday, 9 May, 2012, 11:24 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>According to the normal practise, her party wanted to elect her as the PM but her inner voice came in the way. The next best alternative was  an unelected Dr Manmohan Singh and he is still with us.
>>>

>>>>________________________________

>>>>From: vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>
>>>>To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; devinde...@btopenworld.com
>>>>Cc: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>; "chanda...@planmanconsulting.com"
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>>>>Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012, 6:42
>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>
>>>>Why should we guess out what had happened? What is the practice that is generally followed in appointing the PM? Was there any deviation from the normal practice followed and if so why?
>>>>
>>>>V.S. Sardesai
>>>>
>>>>--- On Tue, 8/5/12, devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com>
>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>>To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>, "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>Cc: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>, "Durgashanker Nagda" <nag...@yahoo.com>, "vasant sardesai" <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>, "Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia)" <lalh...@yahoo.com>, "Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup)" <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>, "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>, "Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty)" <abhishek...@gmail.com>, "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>, "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>, "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>, "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>, "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>, "Babu Suseelan(India)" <babusu...@hotmail.com>, "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>, "Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar)" <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>, "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>, "Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar)" <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>, "brl...@gmail.com"
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<grd_...@yahoo.com>, "Col R Sundar(India)" <crsu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>Date: Tuesday, 8 May, 2012, 12:51 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Kumar Ji, The reciprocity clause is a fig leaf. It has no real value. The basic issue was whether a foreign born naturalised citizen should be become the PM. She did see the President to declare that her party had the requisite majority. The question was whether she would head the government??. She came out in the lawn of her house where the her faithfuls had gathered when she declared about her inner voice. The diplomatic way of saying "Thanks but no thanks" 
>>>>>
>>>>>We can add whatever slant we want to the story. I still think that life would have been become pretty miserable for her if she had become the PM..
>>>>>

>>>>>>________________________________

>>>>>>From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>Cc: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>; "brl...@gmail.com" <brl...@gmail.com>;
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>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012, 7:57
>>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>Devinderji!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>Why do you twist the matters to honour Sonia as if she had sacrificed th position offered to her as PM?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>Are you aware that prior to meeting the President she said, she would be leading the Govt. meaning as PM.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>When Kalam pointed out this could be challenged in Court as reciprocity clause with Italy does not permit an India born Italian Citizen to hold even a position in local bodies at Italy. She had to swallow her pride and withdraw and the Congressmen proudly declared that she sacrificed the offer of PM and made MM SIngh the PM!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>Tonsuring threat by Sushma and others are just non-issues here
>>>>>>

>>>>>>________________________________

>>>>>>From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com>
>>>>>>To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>Cc: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar) <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>;
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>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:07 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>Dr Kalam did express his opinion that her appointment might raise some constitutional(?) questions as she was a naturalised citizen but the real reaction came fom Pawar & Co and Mrs Sushma Swaraj and her threat to tonsure her head and sleep on the floor and so on. As it is there is a tirade of accusation against her being the President of her party. All hell would have been let loose if she had become the PM. 
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>________________________________

>>>>>>>From: Madhukar Ambekar <madhukar...@me.com>
>>>>>>>To: desi...@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>Cc: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman
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>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, 7 May 2012, 22:22
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>On 6 May 2012, at 17:59, devinde...@btopenworld.com wrote:
>>>>>>>She did not become the PM as it would have been an unprecedented move and she would have met with such fierce opposition from all sides that it would have been impossible for her to function.even for a day.  She read the writing on the wall. If I am not wrong the writing on the wall was shown to her to read by Dr. A.P.J. Kalam and his advisors who so ever those may be. You may have different opinion for what ever reasons?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>Moreover, she did what a good mother does for her children. She kept the space vacant for her son. Whether he will make or not is another debate.
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>>From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>
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>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012, 17:26
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>You have not replied to my question as to why she did not become the Prime Minister of the country when the mandate was given to her and not repeat not to Manmohan Singh.  You are only giving a standard reply that she is the President of the Congress Party while Manmohan Singh is the Prime Minister but all the people in the country know in their hearts of heart that Manmohan Singh is merely her puppet and it is she who is the de facto Prime Minister.  Then why she is not becoming the Prime Minister and facing the responsibilities.  You have simply stated that we are genetically corrupt people and population and poverty will remain.  Then why have a Govt. at all if people are to remain as they are?  A Govt. is one who sees to it that people are reformed and ruled and made to work honestly. Otherwise what for are the CBI and police and other such agencies.  You say that we are genetically corrupt.  Then you admit that you and I are also
corrupt and in fact all the people in this group are corrupt.  If all the people are corrupt then this group may be wound up and we need not discuss corruption.  I find your answer very unsatisfactory.  Do you know something about the age of Ashoka the Great and also know that in his rule nobody could indulge in theft  Then how we became genetically corrupt?And why cannot we control our population?We can do it but there should be a will.  Where there is a will, there is a way.  And why are you giving unnecessary importance to Manmohan Singh. All the people except you know that he is a dummy Prime Minister and people have given him no mandate to rule the country.  Why are you silent about Sonia's abdication of her responsibility by not taking over as the Prime Minister of the country?  People have voted for her and her son to lead the country.  Everybody knows it except you.  Satbir Singh Bedi From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com"
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<vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:27 PM Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?   The brief answer to your question is that we hold her responsible and also accountable for all those areas of activity which are not proper to the President of the Congress party Central Headquarters and not is she personally responsible for ny of them.. The division of responsibilities is that she manages the affairs of the party, the filling of the posts and winning of elections while the Manmohan Singh administration is responsible for the day to day running of the administration including the bringing of Kala Dhan, and many other welfare schemes.The reason why many things have not moved fast is
because of  what Vajpayee Ji said was the coalition Dharma .   The corruption in the country is a disease which is eating into the fabric of the society and we are all responsible as we are all "Genetically" corrupt.people. It will take a long time to eradicate with education but more importantly changing the home culture of the people. The same goes for the increase in population, poverty alleviation  and so on..  Reg Devinder >________________________________ > From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com> >To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup)
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"par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012, 16:36 >Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? > > >  > >I have already stated that she must have been very clever and intelligent to have got
married to the son of a Prime Minister.  Otherwise also, there is no harm in marrying a barmaid if she fits one's standards of quality of being a wife.  However, while I am not against her being a barmaid and all that, I do not agree with her policies of appeasing the Muslims and her policy of starting so many welfare schemes when her own husband is on record to have stated that 85 paise out of every rupee earmarked for welfare schemes go into the pocket of politicians and bureaucrats.  She has failed to act on economic reforms and these welfare schemes have given rise to so much of corruption.  She has not fully eliminated the quota, license, permit raj and this is the drawback of her policy.  Moreover, she had done nothing to get black money back from Swiss banks which makes her a suspect in the public eye.  She has also failed to punish those congressmen who >were guilty of massacre of Sikhs.  She has also allowed criminalisation of politics
by giving tickets to those persons against whom criminal cases are pending.  It is true that other parties have also not done anything to stop criminalisation of politics but then she is in power and much more is expected of her.  She has failed to instruct the President of India who is from Congress party to clear the Mercy petitions quickly thereby allowing terrorists a lease of life.  Most importantly, she has done nothing to control the ever growing population of the country which is the need of the hour.  She seems to be more interested in winning elections than solving the problems of the nation.  I am saying all this because we at present cannot blame opposition parties as they are not in power but it is she who is in power.  Then she had created diarchy in the sense that she is the de facto Prime Minister of the country while Manmohan Singh is the de jure >Prime Minister of the country so that there is confusion as to who actually governs
the nation.  And most important point is why she is not becoming the Prime Minister of the country thereby abdicating her responsiblity or else why she is not asking her son, Rahul Gandhi to become the Prime Minister.  People have not voted for Manmohan Singh.  He could not even win his own Lok Sabha election.  So, she should stop this drama and either assume office of the Prime Minister herself or ask her son to take over as Prime Minister of the country.  If her foreign origin is raised let her fight the battle in the supreme court but why have a person who does not a b c of the politics to become Prime Minister of the country. >  >Satbir Singh Bedi > >From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com> >To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com"
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Kumar Ji, With all due respect to your intellectual ability, Let us not blindly accept the validity of something becaus Dr S Swamy had raised it and had said so.

 

The reciprocity arrangement exists almost in much of Europe because of considerable movement of people due to tourism, busines and other activies. The reciprocity arrangement covers social, economic and welfare and medical  benifits and covers almost daily occurrences.

 

Can you or Dr Swamy  in your right mind see a reciprocity arrangement existing between Italy and India which would clearly state that if one of my citizen settles in your country and adopts your nationality and is made a Prime Minister, I undertake to do likewise. Please understand that Mrs Gandhi's situation was a unique example and was  not an every day occurrence for which we should look for a reciprocity arrangement. Please also nderstand that we were considering Mrs Gandhi as a naturalised Indian citizen and not as an Italian citizen.  Regards Devinder Thakur   

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Satbirji!!,

 

Perhaps you have missed the reciprocity clause regarding foreign born Indian Citizen's Act which specifies that if a foreign born individual, accepts Indian citizenship, he or she would be eligible to hold any position or facilities which an Indian born taking citizenship of the Country concerned would be eligible there.

 

e.g. An Indian born individual when he takes Italian citizenship, he cannot hold any political position even of local bodies, leave alone Minisership of that Country. So in parallel, an Italian born taking Indian citizenship would not be eligible to hold any positions in Govt. of India.

 

This is what Dr.Swamy pointed out to President Kalam and Kalam warned Sonia of possible disqualification if she claims to be the PM. Hence she had to propose MM SIngh as PM and constituted an unconstitutional NAC for herself serving as a Super Cabinet, passing on her policies down to Cabinet to be adopted!!

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No, Sir.  I do not agree with you.  Citizenship Act cannot overrule the Constitution of India.  You may seek clarification from the Supreme Court.  Swamy is not a Constitutional Expert.  He is only an Economist and Politician.  This is an important matter and needs to be got clarified from the Supreme Court of India.  To my mind, she was just afraid of becoming the Prime Minister.  Of course, I do not know why?

 

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I do not know what is it that you find so confusing.
 
She went to see the President as the President of a victorious party. She did not go there as a PM candidate as it was not decided at that stage, but the speculation was already ripe in the corridors of power that she be made the PM. It was after her meeting with the President,  that the party faithfuls met at her place to tell her that they were expecting her to become the PM. It was then that she said that thanks but no thanks. 
 
There was nothing to stop her saying that she wanted to become the PM but there would be an (imaginary) constitutional hitch. There was none.
 
Separately, Dr Swamy went to see Dr Kalam to tell him that there was no reciprocity arrangement which is completely irrelevant to this situation as I have explained elsewhere on this link..
 
 

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>Please don't confuse the matter. Find out when she heard her 'inner voice'. Was it before rushing to the Rashtrapati Bhawan claiming to form government or after meeting the Rashtrapati? And what was the necessity for her to meet the president if MMS was to become the PM? Moreover my question is different; what is the proceedure generally followed for selecting the PM? And whether was it followed in this case?
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>V. S.Sardesai --- On Wed, 9/5/12, devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
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>> 
>>According to the normal practise, her party wanted to elect her as the PM but her inner voice came in the way. The next best alternative was  an unelected Dr Manmohan Singh and he is still with us.
>>

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>>>Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012, 6:42
>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>
>>>Why should we guess out what had happened? What is the practice that is generally followed in appointing the PM? Was there any deviation from the normal practice followed and if so why?
>>>
>>>V.S. Sardesai
>>>
>>>--- On Tue, 8/5/12, devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>From: devinde...@btopenworld.com <devinde...@btopenworld.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>, "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>Cc: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>, "Durgashanker Nagda" <nag...@yahoo.com>, "vasant sardesai" <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>, "Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia)" <lalh...@yahoo.com>, "Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup)" <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>, "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>, "Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty)" <abhishek...@gmail.com>, "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>, "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>, "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>, "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>, "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>, "Babu Suseelan(India)" <babusu...@hotmail.com>, "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>, "Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar)" <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>, "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>, "Bharatswabhiman Office (Haridwar)" <bharatswabhi...@gmail.com>, "brl...@gmail.com"
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>>>>Date: Tuesday, 8 May, 2012, 12:51 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Kumar Ji, The reciprocity clause is a fig leaf. It has no real value. The basic issue was whether a foreign born naturalised citizen should be become the PM. She did see the President to declare that her party had the requisite majority. The question was whether she would head the government??. She came out in the lawn of her house where the her faithfuls had gathered when she declared about her inner voice. The diplomatic way of saying "Thanks but no thanks" 
>>>>
>>>>We can add whatever slant we want to the story. I still think that life would have been become pretty miserable for her if she had become the PM..
>>>>

>>>>>________________________________

>>>>>From: S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>
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>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012, 7:57
>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>Devinderji!!
>>>>> 
>>>>>Why do you twist the matters to honour Sonia as if she had sacrificed th position offered to her as PM?
>>>>> 
>>>>>Are you aware that prior to meeting the President she said, she would be leading the Govt. meaning as PM.
>>>>> 
>>>>>When Kalam pointed out this could be challenged in Court as reciprocity clause with Italy does not permit an India born Italian Citizen to hold even a position in local bodies at Italy. She had to swallow her pride and withdraw and the Congressmen proudly declared that she sacrificed the offer of PM and made MM SIngh the PM!!
>>>>> 
>>>>>Tonsuring threat by Sushma and others are just non-issues here
>>>>>

>>>>>________________________________

>>>>>From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com>
>>>>>To: "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>
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>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:07 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>Dr Kalam did express his opinion that her appointment might raise some constitutional(?) questions as she was a naturalised citizen but the real reaction came fom Pawar & Co and Mrs Sushma Swaraj and her threat to tonsure her head and sleep on the floor and so on. As it is there is a tirade of accusation against her being the President of her party. All hell would have been let loose if she had become the PM. 
>>>>>

>>>>>>________________________________

>>>>>>From: Madhukar Ambekar <madhukar...@me.com>
>>>>>>To: desi...@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>Cc: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "bhano...@gmail.com" <bhano...@gmail.com>; Bharatswabhiman
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>>>>>>Sent: Monday, 7 May 2012, 22:22
>>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>On 6 May 2012, at 17:59, devinde...@btopenworld.com wrote:
>>>>>>She did not become the PM as it would have been an unprecedented move and she would have met with such fierce opposition from all sides that it would have been impossible for her to function.even for a day.  She read the writing on the wall. If I am not wrong the writing on the wall was shown to her to read by Dr. A.P.J. Kalam and his advisors who so ever those may be. You may have different opinion for what ever reasons?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>Moreover, she did what a good mother does for her children. She kept the space vacant for her son. Whether he will make or not is another debate.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup) <stop-corrupt...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Abhishek Joshi(JantaParty) <abhishek...@gmail.com>; "ahven...@gmail.com" <ahven...@gmail.com>; "akd...@gmail.com" <akd...@gmail.com>; "arish....@gmail.com" <arish....@gmail.com>; "arsudh...@gmail.com" <arsudh...@gmail.com>; "asho...@gmail.com" <asho...@gmail.com>; Babu Suseelan(India) <babusu...@hotmail.com>; "b...@live.in" <b...@live.in>; Bhagvandass Tyagi(Scholar) <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>;
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>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?
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>>>>>>>>You have not replied to my question as to why she did not become the Prime Minister of the country when the mandate was given to her and not repeat not to Manmohan Singh.  You are only giving a standard reply that she is the President of the Congress Party while Manmohan Singh is the Prime Minister but all the people in the country know in their hearts of heart that Manmohan Singh is merely her puppet and it is she who is the de facto Prime Minister.  Then why she is not becoming the Prime Minister and facing the responsibilities.  You have simply stated that we are genetically corrupt people and population and poverty will remain.  Then why have a Govt. at all if people are to remain as they are?  A Govt. is one who sees to it that people are reformed and ruled and made to work honestly. Otherwise what for are the CBI and police and other such agencies.  You say that we are genetically corrupt.  Then you admit that you and I are also
corrupt and in fact all the people in this group are corrupt.  If all the people are corrupt then this group may be wound up and we need not discuss corruption.  I find your answer very unsatisfactory.  Do you know something about the age of Ashoka the Great and also know that in his rule nobody could indulge in theft  Then how we became genetically corrupt?And why cannot we control our population?We can do it but there should be a will.  Where there is a will, there is a way.  And why are you giving unnecessary importance to Manmohan Singh. All the people except you know that he is a dummy Prime Minister and people have given him no mandate to rule the country.  Why are you silent about Sonia's abdication of her responsibility by not taking over as the Prime Minister of the country?  People have voted for her and her son to lead the country.  Everybody knows it except you.  Satbir Singh Bedi From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com"
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<vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:27 PM Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ?   The brief answer to your question is that we hold her responsible and also accountable for all those areas of activity which are not proper to the President of the Congress party Central Headquarters and not is she personally responsible for ny of them.. The division of responsibilities is that she manages the affairs of the party, the filling of the posts and winning of elections while the Manmohan Singh administration is responsible for the day to day running of the administration including the bringing of Kala Dhan, and many other welfare schemes.The reason why many things have not moved fast is
because of  what Vajpayee Ji said was the coalition Dharma .   The corruption in the country is a disease which is eating into the fabric of the society and we are all responsible as we are all "Genetically" corrupt.people. It will take a long time to eradicate with education but more importantly changing the home culture of the people. The same goes for the increase in population, poverty alleviation  and so on..  Reg Devinder >________________________________ > From: satbir singh <ssbed...@yahoo.com> >To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com" <media_m...@yahoogroups.com>; Durgashanker Nagda <nag...@yahoo.com>; vasant sardesai <vasant_...@yahoo.co.in>; Lalh Gehi(ReformIndia) <lalh...@yahoo.com>; Stop-Corruption-Worldwide (Googlegroup)
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<fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; Major Chauhan (SanikSangh) <g...@sainiksangh.org>; "hara...@gmail.com" <hara...@gmail.com>; "hindu....@gmail.com" <hindu....@gmail.com>; "hinduam...@gmail.com" <hinduam...@gmail.com>; "hinduex...@gmail.com" <hinduex...@gmail.com>; "hindus...@gmail.com" <hindus...@gmail.com>; "hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in" <hinduvoi...@yahoo.co.in>; Satya Prava (SCW) <hita...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "jcha...@gmail.com" <jcha...@gmail.com>; "jesr...@yahoo.co.in" <jesr...@yahoo.co.in>; "jsra...@hotmail.com" <jsra...@hotmail.com>; Dr. (Kerala)Kalyan Raman <kaly...@gmail.com>; Kamal Malhotra(ReformIndia) <kama...@gmail.com>; Narain Kataria(NY) <kata...@aol.com>; "mdna...@gmail.com" <mdna...@gmail.com>; Mohan Gupta(ReformIndia) <mgu...@rogers.com>; "m...@mrv.net.in" <m...@mrv.net.in>; "omprakasha...@gmail.com" <omprakasha...@gmail.com>;
"par...@gmail.com" <par...@gmail.com>; "pratap...@yahoo.co.in" <pratap...@yahoo.co.in>; Raksha Aggarwal(Kenya-ReformIndia) <raksha....@googlemail.com>; Sandhya Jain <sandh...@bol.net.in>; MD (Indiana)Anil K Sarkar <sark...@frontier.com>; "scka...@rediffmail.com" <scka...@rediffmail.com>; Shirish M. Dave(ReformIndia) <smdav...@yahoo.com>; "sundara...@gmail.com" <sundara...@gmail.com>; "swap...@gmail.com" <swap...@gmail.com>; "v.b...@virgin.net" <v.b...@virgin.net>; Sri Gautamji (VHP) <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "mn...@hotmail.com" <mn...@hotmail.com>; Suresh Vyas(USA-ReformIndia) <skan...@gmail.com>; Gaurang Desai(FreemontCA) <grd_...@yahoo.com>; Col R Sundar(India) <crsu...@gmail.com> >Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2012, 16:36 >Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Re: [issuesonline_worldwide][media_monitor5][scw] How do we align our constitution ? > > >  > >I have already stated that she must have been very clever and intelligent to have got
married to the son of a Prime Minister.  Otherwise also, there is no harm in marrying a barmaid if she fits one's standards of quality of being a wife.  However, while I am not against her being a barmaid and all that, I do not agree with her policies of appeasing the Muslims and her policy of starting so many welfare schemes when her own husband is on record to have stated that 85 paise out of every rupee earmarked for welfare schemes go into the pocket of politicians and bureaucrats.  She has failed to act on economic reforms and these welfare schemes have given rise to so much of corruption.  She has not fully eliminated the quota, license, permit raj and this is the drawback of her policy.  Moreover, she had done nothing to get black money back from Swiss banks which makes her a suspect in the public eye.  She has also failed to punish those congressmen who >were guilty of massacre of Sikhs.  She has also allowed criminalisation of politics
by giving tickets to those persons against whom criminal cases are pending.  It is true that other parties have also not done anything to stop criminalisation of politics but then she is in power and much more is expected of her.  She has failed to instruct the President of India who is from Congress party to clear the Mercy petitions quickly thereby allowing terrorists a lease of life.  Most importantly, she has done nothing to control the ever growing population of the country which is the need of the hour.  She seems to be more interested in winning elections than solving the problems of the nation.  I am saying all this because we at present cannot blame opposition parties as they are not in power but it is she who is in power.  Then she had created diarchy in the sense that she is the de facto Prime Minister of the country while Manmohan Singh is the de jure >Prime Minister of the country so that there is confusion as to who actually governs
the nation.  And most important point is why she is not becoming the Prime Minister of the country thereby abdicating her responsiblity or else why she is not asking her son, Rahul Gandhi to become the Prime Minister.  People have not voted for Manmohan Singh.  He could not even win his own Lok Sabha election.  So, she should stop this drama and either assume office of the Prime Minister herself or ask her son to take over as Prime Minister of the country.  If her foreign origin is raised let her fight the battle in the supreme court but why have a person who does not a b c of the politics to become Prime Minister of the country. >  >Satbir Singh Bedi > >From: "devinde...@btopenworld.com" <devinde...@btopenworld.com> >To: "issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com" <issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; S kumar <kumar...@yahoo.com>; "media_m...@yahoogroups.com"
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