To Mr Sanjeev Kulkarni - the Macaulay-Putra
GOUTAM CHATTERJEE
Received your reply that shows that yours is a mind buried in darkness.
Samarth Ramdas – the great Guru of Chhatrapati Shivaji was also a
‘Kulkarni’ in his Purvashram. He was a ‘Rishi-Putra’. But,
unfortunately, you have become a ‘Macaulay-Putra’ because you always
speak his language. You believe only in self-flagellation because you
yourself are a ‘zero’ person because you believe in the wrong
placement of ‘zero’ where it has no value and unwittingly discount its
right placement wherein it increases the value ten-fold. It seems, you
are suffering from some inferiority complex in face of some outlandish
factors. You seem to be a self-deluded person and never a connoisseur
of anything.
What the following learned ones can appreciate, you, unfortunately, cannot:-
”We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without
which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made.” -
Albert Einstein.
”India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human
speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend and the great
grand mother of tradition.” - Mark Twain.
”If there is one place on the face of earth where all dreams of living
men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the
dream of existence, it is India.” - French scholar Romain Rolland.
”India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries
without ever having to send a single soldier across her border.” - Hu
Shih (former Chinese Ambassador to USA )
This much of sample quotes should be enough.
If people like you advise Indians to forget their glorious past, then
your next generation would also forget some of the glory that your
present generation has (though the nation has to do more for more and
more glorious achievements).
At least the following facts should make an Indian proud:-
Q. Who is the GM of Hewlett Packard (hp) ?
A. Rajiv Gupta
Q. Who is the creator of Pentium chip (needs no introduction as 90% of
the today's computers run on it)?
A. Vinod Dahm
Q. Who is the third richest man in the world?
A. According to the latest report on Fortune Magazine, it is Azim
Premji, who is the CEO of Wipro Industries. The Sultan of Brunei is at
6 th position now.
Q. Who is the founder and creator of Hotmail (Hotmail is world's No.1
web based email program)?
A. Sabeer Bhatia
Q. Who is the president of AT & T-Bell Labs (AT & T-Bell Labs is the
creator of program languages such as C, C++, Unix to name a few)?
A. Arun Netravalli
Q. Who is the new MTD (Microsoft Testing Director) of Windows 2000,
responsible to iron out all initial problems?
A. Sanjay Tejwrika
Q. Who are the Chief Executives of CitiBank, Mckensey & Stanchart?
A. Victor Menezes, Rajat Gupta, and Rana Talwar.
Q. Who said: “…you have to trust in your gut, destiny, life and Karma…?”
A. It was Steve Jobs of Apple Computers who said it in his Stanford
University lecture. He was a staunch believer of Karma Yoga. His most
favourite book was “Autobiography of a Yogi” written by Paramahansa
Yogananda.
We Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America, even
faring better than the whites and the natives.
There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (15% of population). YET,
38% of doctors in USA are Indians.
12% scientists in USA are Indians.
36% of NASA scientists are Indians.
34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
28% of IBM employees are Indians.
17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
13% of XEROX employees are! Indians.
You would be knowing some of the following facts. These facts were
recently published in a German magazine, which deals with WORLD
HISTORY FACTS ABOUT INDIA.
1. India never invaded any country in her last 1000 years of history.
2. India invented the Number system. Zero was invented by Aryabhatta.
3. The world's first University was established in Takshila in 700BC.
More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more than 60
subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4 th century BC was
one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of
education.
4. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most suitable
language for computer software.
5. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans.
6. Although western media portray modern images of India as poverty
striken and underdeveloped through political corruption, India was
once the richest empire on earth which the Muslim invaders for over
700 years and the British for 200 years looted and India’s rich
traditions in science, philosophy, literature, prosperity and
self-esteem eclipsed for about a thousand years due to such lack of
security. India, in fact, proved to be an extremely rich victim as it
was the El dorado (Sone ki Chiriya). Columbus tried to discover India
for Europe (as they could not come here by land route due to Crusades
and Jihad) by sailing to the West and by sheer ‘serendipity’ (chance
discovery of ‘Swarnadwipa’) discovered the Americas, and Vasco da Gama
discovered the estern sea route to India. They all looked for India
and, in fact, even till his last breath Columbus believed that he had
discovered ‘India’. Only after his death another sailor Amerigo
Vespucci by name declared that it was a new world and not India and it
was after him that it was named America. However, Columbus was right
to the extent that he saw things, traditions and practices in the
Americas that were non-different from those of Hindus of India that he
had read and heard about.
7. The art of navigation was born in the river Sindh 5000 years ago.
The very word "Navigation" is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH.
8. The value of pi was first calculated by Budhayana, and he explained
the concept of what is now known as the Pythagorean Theorem. British
scholars have last year (1999) officially published that Budhayan's
works dates to the 6 th Century which is long before the European
mathematicians.
9. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India . Quadratic
equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11 th Century; the largest
numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Indians used
numbers as big as 10 53
10. According to the Gemmological Institute of America, up until 1896,
India was the only source of diamonds to the world.
11. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old suspicion
amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless communication was
Professor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi.
12. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in Saurashtra.
13. Chess was invented in India
14. Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health
scientists of his time conducted surgeries like cesareans, cataract,
fractures and urinary stones. Usage of anaesthesia was well known in
ancient India .
15. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest dwellers
over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in Sindhu
Valley ( Indus ValleyIndia in 100 BC.
ALL OF THE ABOVE IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG, THE LIST COULD BE ENDLESS.
BUT, if we don't see even a glimpse of that great India in the India
that we see today, it clearly means that we are not working up to our
potential; and that if we do, we could once again be an evershining
and inspiring country setting a bright path for rest of the world to
follow.
Every BHARATVANSHI ought to work towards the welfare of BHARATVARSH.
Say proudly, I AM A BHARATVANSHI.
- Goutam Chatterjee
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[aryayouthgroup] Re: To Sanjeev Kulkarni from Goutam Chatterjee:
'...the Veda remains to us our Rock of the Ages, our eternal
foundation....'. ‘The Veda was the beginning of our spiritual
knowledge; the Veda will remain its end.'
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Apr 10 (1 day ago)
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rsingh631
When you invented zero, and what is your contribution to science and
maths after that ?
You have been sleeping or unconscious for how many centuries now ?
When you have
to take pride what your ancestors did several thousand years ago, can
you explain the
gap of several thousand years now ? Instead of writing eulogy of your
ancestors you should
feel ashamed of your wretched existence in this century in India. Do
you know what a
miserable lot Hindus have become even in India ?
Sanjeev
--- On Mon, 9/4/12, Arjun <arjun...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: Arjun <arjun...@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: To Sanjeev Kulkarni from Goutam Chatterjee: '...the Veda
remains to us our Rock of the Ages, our eternal foundation....'. ‘The
Veda was the beginning of our spiritual knowledge; the Veda will
remain its end.'
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Date: Monday, 9 April, 2012, 10:05 PM
this kulkarni character is like someone who had a chinese takeaway for
lunch and now thinks hes an expert on Chinese..he hasnt even read any
aurobindo or sita ram goel let alone the Vedas but thinks hes an
expert.The whole concept of the zero could only come from a hind
spiritual mind
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Sent: Monday, 9 April 2012, 6:24
Subject: Re: To Sanjeev Kulkarni from Goutam Chatterjee: '...the Veda
remains to us our Rock of the Ages, our eternal foundation....'. ‘The
Veda was the beginning of our spiritual knowledge; the Veda will
remain its end.'
Since you have quoted many authors you should be aware of criticism of Hinduism
too and instead of levelling any wild allegations, better understand
what is wrong
with Hinduism. Unless you accept that there is a problem, you cannot solve it.
All the high praising books from Aurobindo, Sitaram Goel etc. will not
help you in
any way unless you critically evaluate what is wrong and try to set it right.
It will be interesting to note the following observations about
Hinduism by a Brahman,
Hindu -
Naipaul writes that India “has little to offer the world except its
Gandhi an concept of holy poverty and the recurring crooked comedy of
its holy men, and . . . is now dependent in every practical way on
other, imperfectly understood civilisations.”
Hinduism, Naipaul writes, “has given men no idea of a contract with
other men, no idea of the state. It has enslaved one quarter of the
population [the Untouchables] and always has left the whole fragmented
and vulnerable. Its philosophy of withdrawal has diminished men
intellectually and not equipped them to respond to challenge; it has
stifled growth. So that again and again in India history has repeated
itself: vulnerability, defeat, withdrawal.” Indians, Naipaul says,
have no historical notion of the past. “Through centuries of conquest
the civilisation declined into an apparatus for survival, turning away
from the mind . . . and creativity . . . stripping itself down, like
all decaying civilisations, to its magical practices and imprisoning
social forms.” He adds later, “No government can survive on Gandhian
fantasy; and the spirituality, the solace of a conquered people, which
Gandhi turned into a form of national assertion, has soured more
obviously into the nihilism that it always was.” Naipaul condemns
India again and again for its “intellectual parasitism,” its
“intellectual vacuum,” its “emptiness,” the “blankness of its decayed
civilisation.” “Indian poverty is more dehumanizing than any machine;
and, more than in any machine civilisation, men in India are units,
locked up in the straitest obedience by their idea of their dharma. .
. . The blight of caste is not only untouchability and the consequent
deification in India of filth; the blight, in an India that tries to
grow, is also the overall obedience it imposes, . . . the diminishing
of adventurousness, the pushing away from men of individuality and the
possibility of excellence.”
Sanjeev
--- On Sat, 31/3/12, GOUTAM CHATTERJEE <gchatt...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: GOUTAM CHATTERJEE <gchatt...@gmail.com>
To Sanjeev Kulkarni from Goutam Chatterjee:
Alright! We would come straight to address your misconceived and
misplaced questions borrowed by you from the proselytizers and
Jihadists and thrown at Hindus at the formers’ instance as missiles!
But before that a few observations seem to be warranted. You being a
‘Sanjeev Kulkarni’, why couldn’t you ask these questions with the
Andaaz of a Rishi-Putra? But, unfortunately, you have asked these
questions with the gleeful Andaaz of a Macaulay-Putra. The world knows
that your Lord Macaulay had products like you in mind when he wrote to
his British masters on February 02, 1835: "I have travelled across the
length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a
beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such
high moral values, people of such caliber, that I do not think we
would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of
this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and,
therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education
system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign
and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their
self-esteem, their native culture and they will become what we want
them, a truly dominated nation."
You are religiously doing their bidding as premeditated by them and,
therefore, have brought your knives out against the Hindu society and
its glorious assets of holistic (Saakalyavaadi; Poornataavaadi),
syncretic (Samannwayvaadi) and altruistic (Parahitavaadi,
Paraarthavaadi; Paropakaarvaadi) religio-cultural tradition. You have
been indoctrinated by some weird and inimical Bhaashyas
(translations), Teeka (commentary), Vyaakhyaa (description) of the
Vedas fabricated by some outlandish proselytizing elements to whom let
alone the language of the Vedas even Paniniya Sanskrit is Greek. You
know a good Siddhaant (doctrine) falling into the hands of a good man
produces good results and when it falls into the hands of a bad man he
makes even a good Siddhant produce bad results. Yours is also a
classic case of such perversion.
***
Sri Aurobindo rightly wrote: ‘Religious movements and revolutions have
come and gone or left their mark but after all and through all the
Veda remains to us our Rock of the Ages, our eternal foundation....
The Upanishads, mighty as they are, only aspire to bring out, arrange
philosophically in the language of later thinking and crown with the
supreme name of Brahman the eternal knowledge enshrined in the Vedas.
Yet for some two thousand years at least no Indian (let alone any
foreign interpreter –Ed.) has really understood the Vedas.’
...
Sri Aurobindo further wrote ‘The Veda was the beginning of our
spiritual knowledge; the Veda will remain its end. These compositions
of an unknown antiquity are as the many breasts of the eternal Mother
of knowledge from which our succeeding ages have all been fed....
The recovery of the perfect truth of the Veda is therefore not merely
a desideratum for our modern intellectual curiosity, but a practical
necessity for the future of the human race. For I believe firmly that
the secret concealed in the Veda, when entirely discovered, will be
found to formulate perfectly that knowledge and practice of a divine
life to which the march of humanity, after long wanderings in the
satisfaction of the intellect and senses, must inevitably return.’
***
He also wrote: ‘It is a superstition of modern thought that the march
of knowledge has in all its parts progressed always in a line of
forward progress deviating from it, no doubt, in certain periods of
obscuration, but always returning and in the sum constituting
everywhere an advance and nowhere a retrogression. Like all
superstitions this belief is founded on bad and imperfect observation
flowering into a logical fallacy.... The logical fallacy we land in as
the goal of our bad observation is the erroneous conception that
because we are more advanced than certain ancient peoples in our own
especial lines of success, as the physical sciences, therefore
necessarily we are also more advanced in other lines where we are
still infants and have only recently begun to observe and experiment,
as the science of psychology and the knowledge of our subjective
existence and of mental forces.... While our forefathers believed that
the more ancient might on the whole be trusted as more authoritative,
because nearer to the gods, and the less ancient less authoritative
because nearer to man's ultimate degeneracy, we [moderns] believe on
the contrary that the more ancient is always on the whole more untrue
because nearer to the unlettered and unenquiring savage, the more
modern the more true because held as opinion by the lettered and
instructed citizen of Paris or Berlin. Neither position can be
accepted. Verification by experience and experiment is the only
standard of truth, not antiquity, not modernity. Some of the ideas of
the ancients or even of the savage now scouted by us may be lost
truths or statements of valid experience from which we have turned or
become oblivious; many of the notions of the modern schoolmen will
certainly in the future be scouted as erroneous and superstitious.’
***
‘Dayananda (Swami Dayananda Saraswati, founder Acharya of Arya Samaj
–Ed.) goes farther; he affirms that the truths of modern physical
science are discoverable in the hymns.... The ancient civilisations
did possess secrets of science some of which modern knowledge has
recovered, extended and made more rich and precise but others are even
now not recovered. There is then nothing fantastic in Dayananda's idea
that Veda contains truth of science as well as truth of religion. I
will even add my own conviction that Veda contains other truths of a
science the modern world does not at all possess, and in that case
Dayananda has rather understated than overstated the depth and range
of the Vedic wisdom.’
***
Now let us examine a few representative samples of your chronic
misrepresentations about the Vedas:-
(A)(i) "Unsubstantiated allegation/Childish babbling of Macaulay-Putra
Sanjeev Kulkarni: “Vedas say Earth is static!” According to Vedas, the
earth is static and this statement is repeated several times. The
following are some of the examples: “Oh Man ! He who made the
trembling earth static is Indra.” (Rig Ved 2/12/12)
IRejoinder by Goutam Chatterjee:
It is a blatant lie on your part that any Vedic Hymn says the ‘earth
is static’! The specific Mantra you have referred to reads:
‘yaḥ saptaraśmirvṛṣabhastuviṣmānavāsṛjat sartave saptasindhūn |
yo rauhiṇamasphurad vajrabāhurdyāmārohantaṃs. j. i. ||’ (Rig Ved 2/12/12)
(It means: He, the seven-rayed, the showerer, the powerful, who let
loose the seven rivers to flow; who, armed with the thunderbolt,
crushed Rauhin.a when scaling heaven; he, men, is Indra. [The
seven-rayed: the seven rays, ras'mayah = seven forms of Parjanya
(Taittiri_ya A_ran.yaka 1.9.4-5), or Indra, as the rain-cloud; or
seven kinds of rain-clouds].)
A Macaulayite like you is certainly not qualified to understand, let
alone appreciate, the holistic, altruistic and syncretic worldview of
the Vedas and the great Rishis including Bhagwan Vedavyas – an
unsurpassed compiler, writer and editor of literature of mankind that
is globally celebrated by sophisticated connoisseurs and lay men
alike.
(ii)"Sanjeev Kulkarni: ‘The God who made the earth stable’ (Yajur Ved 32/6)
IRejoinder by Goutam Chatterjee:
Have you gone mad? Why should the earth not be ‘stable’? Only a mad
cap would want it to be ‘unstable’ with frequent polar shifts,
planetary collisions, etc.! Why should you be against its steadiness,
strength, soundness, poise, solidity, balance, stability? Why should
you want it to be ‘unsteady’, ‘wavering’, ‘sliding’, ‘disintegrating’,
‘unsure’ and ‘insecure’ in its place in the solar family and orbit?
Why should you have a problem if the Earth is the Provider, Dhaatri
(Nursing Mother), Dharitri (Nurturer), Janitra (Birthplace), Medini
(Nurturer), Prshni (Mother of Plants), Vanaspatinam Grbhir Osadhinam
(Womb of Forest Trees and Herbs), Stable One (Sthaavara), Vishvadhaya
(All-Nourishing), Vishvagabha (World's Womb, Vishvamshu (Producer of
Everything), Vishvasvam (Source of Everything), Sustainer, Dhara
(Upholder), Drdha (Steady One), Ksama (Patient One), Vishdava
(All-Preserving), Vishvadharini (All-Supporting), Vishvamhara
(All-Bearing), Enricher, Ratnagarbha (Repository of Gems), Ratnavati
(Abounding in Jewels), Vasundhara (Bearer of Treasure)?
(iii) "Unsubstantiated allegation/Childish babbling of Macaulay-Putra
Sanjeev Kulkarni: ‘Indra protects the wide earth which is immovable
and has many forms’ -(Atharv Ved 12/1/11)
IRejoinder by Goutam Chatterjee:
With a jaundiced eye in your mind, you have all meshed up the meaning
of the Hymn. The actual Meaning of the Mantra is:
‘O Prithivī, auspicious be thy woodlands, auspicious be thy hills and
snow-clad mountains.
Unslain, unwounded, unsubdued, I have set foot upon the Earth,
On earth brown, black, ruddy and every-coloured, on the firm earth
that Indra guards from danger.’
Why should you have a problem with a ‘firm earth’, a solid, dense,
compact earth? Why should you want it everywhere and always to be
yielding, squashy, spongy and prone to disintegration?
(iv) "Unsubstantiated allegation/Childish babbling of Macaulay-Putra
Sanjeev Kulkarni: Let us walk on the Wide and Static earth (Atharv Ved
12/1/17)
IRejoinder by Goutam Chatterjee:
The actual Meaning of this Mantra is:
‘Kind, ever gracious be the Earth we tread on, the firm Earth,
Prithivī, borne up by Order, mother of plants and herbs, the
all-producer.’
Where is the talk of a ‘static earth’? It again celebrates a ‘firm
earth’, a solid, dense, compact earth! What is your problem with this?
It is enough to call the bluff of your anti-Vedic groundless
questionnaire that, we know, is borrowed by you from X’ian
proselytizing forces!
(B) You would better uphold the following ‘Bharat Mata Ki Jai’ view in
the matter based on the scientific methods of observation and
experiment adopted by our great Rishis (besides empirical knowledge,
they also had ESP and esoteric knowledge) who were either
Saint-Scientists or Scientist-Saints – it is always a great thing if a
Saint is also an Intellectual Kshatriya like a Scientist and a
Scientist has the ‘Heart’ of a ‘Saint’ otherwise s/he would produce
WMDs (Weapons of Mass Destruction). A great son/daughter of Mother
Earth is one who is either a ‘Sant’ (Samyak Antahkaran Jiska; person
with a golden/pure heart) also with a ‘scientific mind’ or a
‘Scientist’ with a ‘saintly heart’. The knowledge of atom and
sub-atomic existence, etc., in the hands of a Saint would lead
humanity towards more vigorous cultivation of Divine Consciousness and
the same knowledge in the hands of a ‘heartless’ scientist would
produce atom bombs and other WMDs.
Here is a sample list of scientific knowledge propagated by Rishis
(Seers) whose ‘laboratories of science’ were in ancient days called
‘Yajnashaalaas’ that also manufactured many products of vital
importance to man and a ‘home’ was a place of ‘homam’ (Havan/Yajna):-
Astronomy:
1. Solar Energy: The world is due to the Sun god. The living beings
get their strength and energy from Him. -(Taittiriya Aranyakam – 3.11)
(The fact that sun is the source of energy was well known to Indians
from Vedic period.)
2. Sun – The Centre of solar system (Heliocentric model of Solar
System and not geocentric one)
The sun holds the earth and the celestial region. The sun is the
attracting power of all heavenly bodies. (Taittiriya Samhita –
3.4.10.3-4) - An instance of Bharatiya culture always being
knowledge-centred.
Long before Copernicus, the Vedas advocated the heliocentric model of
the solar system. The Rig Veda (Rg.5.47.3) states:
The shining beautiful celestial Red Ball (sun), the ocean of fire,
whose light brings us rains, finds its place in the vast Antariksha –
the space. The sun possessing Prishnirasma, the matter responsible for
solar energy/electricity and colors got its position in ‘the centre of
heaven’ (solar system) and it protects the whole world (solar family)
and demarcates the east and west directions within the solar family!
Rig Veda 10.22.14
“This earth is devoid of hands and legs, yet it moves ahead. All the
objects over the earth also move with it. It moves around the sun.”
Rig Veda 10.149.1
“The sun has tied Earth and other planets through attraction and moves
them around itself as if a trainer moves newly trained horses around
itself holding their reins.”
The ancient seers of Bharat knew that the earth revolved round the Sun
(Heliocentric model of solar system). But, for the sake of
Vyaavahaarikataa (practicality) to address the needs of day-to-day
calendars and astrology for convenient consumption at a commonman’s
level a geocentric standpoint had been incorporated just as for
consumption at commonman’s level you have to teach the ‘Vyaavahaarik
Satya’ (working/empirical and apparent truth in order to save the man
on the street from being bamboozled) that: “Two parallel lines never
meet”, “A straight line is always straight” but the wise understand
and appreciate the Param-Satya that: “two parallel lines meet in
infinity” and “a straight line becomes a circle in infinity”.
Also ancient Bharatiya literature such as the Aitareya Brahmana (2.7),
Vishnu Purana (2.8) and Satapatha Brahmana (8.7.3.10) propound the
Heliocentric model of the Solar system, where the earth revolves round
the Sun. Further the Chapter "Heliocentric in the Rig" in the book
"The celestial Key to the Vedas" by Burra Gautam Siddharth discusses
the Heliocentric theory in the Rig Veda.
3. Path of all celestial bodies is elliptical.
The elliptical path through which all the celestial bodies move is
imperishable and unslakened. (Rigveda: 1.164.2)
This is called Trinabhichakram because to form an ellipse three points
are required. Ellipse is the path of a point that moves so that the
sum of its distances from two fixed points called foci is constant.
(In the western astronomical tradition upto the age of Copernicus
(1473-1543), it was believed that the planets and other celestial
bodies had circular orbits. Later Johannes Kepler proposed a new
theory in 1609. According to him the path of all the planets and other
celestial bodies is elliptical.)
4. Planetary Motion
The mean planets move on their orbits and the true planets in
eccentric circles. All the planets whether moving on their orbits or
in eccentric circles move with their own motion, anti-clockwise from
their apogees and clock-wise from their perigees.
(Aryabhatteeyam-Kalakriyapada – 3.17 (499 CE)
(Aryabhatta stated this law in the 5th century CE, much before the
first law of planetary motion given by Johannes Keppler in 17th
century CE).
5. Cause of Eclipse
The moon covers the sun and the great shadow of the earth covers the
moon. (Aryabhattyam-Golapaadah 37)(499 CE)
That Aryabhatta demystified eclipse aeons ago, stands eclipsed by
misplaced credits!
6. Seasons when comets influence the Earth
The influence of these comets is increased rapidly in the seasons of
autumn and spring as these naturally and inherently exists in the
solar rays. (Brihad-vimana-shastram, Kriyasara-tantram page 185)
What a hell lot of knowledge about heavenly bodies!
7. Number of Comets
In the eighth region of the sky there are 3,07,03,221 comets. (Brihad
Vimana Shastra – Kriyasara-tantra page 184)
Among the above comets 8000 are very fierce. Twelve out of these eight
thousand are again highly powerful. (Brihad Vimana Shastra –
Kriyasara-tantra page 184)
8. The Moon
The Moon, being the satellite of the earth, revolves round its mother
planet and follows it in its revolution round the self-luminous father
planet (the sun). (Rig Veda – 10.189.1)(Taittiriya Samhita – 1.5.1.3,
4)
This is one bright example of Indian astronomical genius in the Vedic
era (approx. 8000 years ago.)
Rig Veda 1.84.15
“The moving moon always receives a ray of light from sun”
Rig Veda 10.85.9
“Moon decided to marry. Day and Night attended its wedding. And sun
gifted his daughter “Sun ray” to Moon.”
9. ECLIPSE
Rig Veda 5.40.5
“O Sun! When you are blocked by the one whom you gifted your own light
(moon), then earth gets scared by sudden darkness.”
10. Circumference of the Earth
The radius of the earth is 800 yojanas. The circumference of the earth
is the result of multiplication of its radius with 2 and square root
of 1024056 or 326 X 107 danda. (Surya Siddhanta Madhyamadhikarah-59)
The value for the circumference of the earth is 4,008 X 107 meters.
(One danda is equal to 1.24 meters approximately)
11. Orbiting Planets
Massive celestial bodies are attracted powerfully towards the earth by
her own (gravitational) force, and they appear to fall as a result of
such attraction, but when equal forces act on a body in space from all
sides how can it fall?
(Siddhanta Shiromani – Bhuvanakoshah-6)(528CE)
The universal law of gravitation was propounded by Issac Newton
(1642-1727 CE) much later.
HH Swami Dayananda Saraswatiji Maharaj – founder Acharya of Arya Samaj
– has also given numerous clues to scientific knowledge in the Vedas,
e.g.,
12. GRAVITATIONAL FORCE
Rig Veda 8.12.28
“O Indra! by putting forth your mighty rays, which possess the
qualities of gravitation and attraction-illumination and motion – keep
up the entire universe in order through the Power of your attraction.”
Rig Veda 1.6.5, Rig Veda 8.12.30
“O God, You have created this Sun. You possess infinite power. You are
upholding the sun and other spheres and render them steadfast by your
power of attraction.
Yajur Veda 33.43
“The sun moves in its own orbit in space taking along with itself the
mortal bodies like earth through force of attraction.”
Rig Veda 1.35.9
“The sun moves in its own orbit but holding earth and other heavenly
bodies in a manner that they do not collide with each other through
force of attraction.
Rig Veda 1.164.13
“Sun moves in its orbit which itself is moving. Earth and other bodies
move around sun due to force of attraction, because sun is heavier
than them.
Atharva Veda 4.11.1
“The sun has held the earth and other planets”
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13. An abstract of the scientific temper of Hindus:-
(i) Cosmology:
-First people to imagine the age of the universe in billions of years
(8.64 billion years, we know today that it is ~12-16 billion years
old)
-Idea of cyclical universe, creation and destruction, similar to the
cycle of expansion and retraction in the big bang theory.
-Ability to calculate eclipses
-First to calculate the earth's circumference
-There is an old Sanskrit Sloka (couplet) which is as follows:
"Sarva Dishanaam, Suryaha, Suryaha, Suryaha."
meaning that there are suns everywhere, Hindus of ancient times were
the first to realise that there were other stars like our sun.
-Initial ideas about gravity
-heliocentric theory of solar family
(ii) Mathematics:
The world calls the numerals as ‘Arabic Numerals’ as they got it
through the Arabs while the Arabs themselves call it ‘Hindsa’ as a
tribute to ‘Hind’ (India) from where the ancient traders of Arab
borrowed it.
-Invented Algebra
-Invented the decimal system
-Invented the zero
-Discovery of Taylor series for sin, cos, tan inverse, pi before the Europeans
-First usage of negative numbers
-Usage of Pythagorean Theorem before Europe
-Usage of Quadratic formula before Europe
-First to learn how to solve simultaneous equations
-Geometry usage (Gameeti in Sanskrit)
-Trignometry invention (Trikonamati in Sanskrit)
The Mathematical Sūtras (formulae or aphorisms translated from
Sanskrit into English) propagated by HH Jagadguru Sankaracharya of
Puri Govardhan Piith Swami Bharati Krishna Tiirthaji Maharaj:
"By one more than the previous one"
"All from 9 and the last from 10"
"Vertically and crosswise (multiplications)"
"Transpose and apply"
"Transpose and adjust (the coefficient)"
"If the Samuccaya is the same (on both sides of the equation, then)
that Samuccaya is (equal to) zero"
By the Parāvartya rule
"If one is in ratio, the other one is zero."
"By addition and by subtraction."
By the completion or non-completion (of the square, the cube, the
fourth power, etc.)
Differential calculus
By the deficiency
Specific and general
The remainders by the last digit
"The ultimate (binomial) and twice the penultimate (binomial) (equals zero),"
"Only the last terms,"
By one less than the one before
The product of the sum
All the multipliers
Subsūtras or corollaries
"Proportionately"
The remainder remains constant
"The first by the first and the last by the last"
For 7 the multiplicand is 143
By osculation
Lessen by the deficiency
"Whatever the extent of its deficiency, lessen it still further to
that very extent; and also set up the square (of the deficiency)".
"By one more than the previous one"
"Last totaling ten"
The sum of the products
"By (alternative) elimination and retention (of the highest and lowest powers)"
By mere observation
The product of the sum is the sum of the products
On the flag
(iii) Physics/ Earth Sciences:
- First people to theorise about the water cycle
- A theory of evolution in terms of rebirth to a higher organism
(predecessor for rebirth)
- First ideas about the conservation of matter
- Primitive ideas of underlying elements of matter before the Greeks
- First people to calculate the age of the Earth to 4 billion years
(in the fifth century BCE!)
- Predecessors of the Heliocentric Theory
- Preliminary theories on Gravity
- First to realise that clouds were composed of water
- Realised that Earth was flattened at the poles and not a perfect sphere
- Knowledge of Earth's rotation
- Priliminary ideas as to why twilight and moon phases occur (that are
consistent with science)
(iv) Chemistry:
- Ability to build an iron pillar that still hasn't rusted 2000 years later
- Built a golden statue of Buddha that shines still although it was
buried for centuries
- Invented the stainless steel
- Built some of the strongest weapons/armor in the ancient world
- Preliminary ideas about the atom (called anu in Sanskrit)
- First to theorise that water can be broken into Hydrogen and Oxygen
(v) Life Sciences:
- One of the first to study the human anatomy
- First surgery
- Knowledge of how to cure cataracts (opthomological surgery)
- First people to do rhinoplasty (plastic surgery)
- Invention of Ayurveda which contains knowledge on thousands of
medicinal herbs, and a holistic approach to medicine
- Ayurvedic remedies destroy the source rather than cure the disease,
so although they worked gradually, they didn't have any side effects.
- Ayurveda had knowledge on remedies to psychiatric ailments like Schitzophrenia
- Ability to heal bones without castes
- Advanced forms of meditation had the ability to alter the rate of
metabolism of the yogi, allowing them to survive in the harshness of
the Himalayas with little clothing.
- Advanced Yoga can even help lower blood pressure, blood sugar.
- First people to work on Vetinary Medicine
- Preliminary ideas of evolution based on the soul reincarnating as
more sophisticated organisms
- Knew that trees absorbed water from the roots
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(C) I would again urge upon you to try to see the world also through
the following windows and you can certainly see more and more new
things of the Aparaa as well as Paraa existences from the
standpoint/perspective of a Rishi-Putra:-
(1) “Ramayana in Human Physiology” by Neuro-Physiologist Prof. Dr.
Tony Nader (aka His Majesty Maharaja Adhiraj RajaRaam – the present
Head of the Maharshi Mahesh Yogi organizations with a global following
of six million with HQs at Maharishi Vedic University (MVU), Holland
and the Maharishi University of Management (MUM) at Iwoa, USA)
(2) ‘Human Physiology: Expression of Veda and the Vedic
Literature’ (1995) (ISBN 9788175230170) by Neuro-Physiologist Prof.
Dr. Tony Nader.
(Dr. Tony Nader developed a theory that there is a one-to-one
correlation between 40 aspects of Vedic literature and 40 parts of
human physiology. He has also found similarities between the
astrological influence of the planets and parts of the human brain.
His researches have confirmed the conviction and certitude of our
Rishi-Krishi-based Himalayan Tradition that all the Vedic Richaas are
naturally built, by divine design, into the building blocks of every
human body, mind and consciousness in forms of neuron settings. This
profound rediscovery also re-established the certitude that rhythmic
collective chantings of these Vedic Richaas carry the holy vibratory
invocations via specific spectrums and gravitate the Dev Shaktis
(divine powers) including the astral divinities and gods to make the
earth their abode amidst the human realm and society and at the end of
the day Aasuri Shaktis (dark forces), e.g., wickedness, sensuousness
and all other criminal and negative tendencies give way to Dev
Shaktis, i.e., virtues of righteousness such as altruism, syncretism
and holism in humanity, animal kingdom and plant kingdom. Recognizing
its great significance for human civilization and culture, the UNESCO
proclaimed the tradition of Vedic chant a Masterpiece of the Oral and
Intangible Heritage of Humanity on November 7, 2003. Brahmaliin
Maharshiji prescribed “Re-establishment of Vedic India” as he saw
India as the beloved land of God. He therefore willed and commanded
his Uttarsaadhaks, institutional and organizational authorities and
over six million lay followers all over the world to ensure teaching
and practice of all the Four Vedas, Six Vedaangas, Four Upavedas,
Upanishads, Aaranyak, Braahmana and re-establishment of all the 40
Brahmavidyaas at all the 12 Jyotirlingam Teerthams and their 48 allied
Teerthams so that Bharat could radiate all across Planet Earth the
holistic, altruistic and syncretic values for the cause of Happiness,
Health and Blessedness. This work is likely to be taken up in Bharat
from December-2012)
(3) Bharatiya Vigyan Manjusha (Treasure Trove of Ancient Indian
Sciences) (942 pages) by M.S. Sreedharan and published by the
Publications Division, Ministry of Information and Broadcasting,
Government of India.
(4) "Science and Technology in Ancient India" (English version; 119
pages) (Its Hindi version is: "Praachin Bharat Mein Vigyan Evam
Praudyogiki". It is published by Vijnan Bharati, A-10, Tulsi Bhavan,
Sion, Mumbai-400 022.
(5) ‘Modern Physics and Vedanta’ written by HH Swami Jitatmananda Ji
Maharaj of Sri Ramakrishna Mission and published by Bharatiya Vidya
Bhavan.
(6) ‘Life Divine’ by Sri Aurobindo
(7) ‘Jnana Yoga’ by Swami Vivekananda
(8) ‘A Search in Secret India’ by Paul Brunton.
(9) ‘An Autobiography of a Yogi’ by Paramahansa Yogananda
(10) ‘Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda’
(11) ‘Complete Works of Sri Aurobindo’
(12) ‘Vedic Mathematics’ by HH Jagadguru Sankaracharya Puri Govardhan
Peethadhishwar Brahmaliin Swami Bharati Krishna Tirtha Maharaj
(published by Motilal Banarsi Dass)
(13) ‘Science in Samskrit’ published by Samskrita Bharati, New Delhi
(14) ‘Indian Tradition of Chemistry and Chemical Technology’ published
by Samskrita Bharati, New Delhi
(15) ‘Indian Heritage of Science & Technology – The Physics’ by Dr.
N.G. Dongre and published by Samskrita Bharati, New Delhi
(16) ‘Science in India’ by A.K. Biswas
(17) ‘The Positive Sciences of The Ancient Hindus’ by Brajendranath
Seal (Sahitya Samsad)
(18) ‘Medicine and Surgery in Ancient India’ – A Yugayatri Publication
(19) ‘Spiritual Heritage of India’ published by Sri Ramakrishna Mission
(20) "The celestial Key to the Vedas" by Burra Gautam Siddharth
(21) ‘India’s Rebirth’ – by Sri Aurobindo
(22) The Bhagavad Gita (Royal Science of God-Realization) (God Talks
With Arjuna – The Immortal Dialogue Between Soul and Spirit) – by Sri
Sri Paramahansa Yogananda
(23) You should also read (i) Dr. David Frawley (Vamadeva Shastri) of
USA, (ii) Francois Gautier (of French origin), (iii) Sitaram Goel
(VOI), Delhi, (iv) Koenraad Elst (VOI), Belgium, (v) Ram Swarup of
Voice of India (VOI), Delhi.
-Goutam Chatterjee
<gchatt...@gmail.com
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Re: To Sri Sanjeev Kulkarni: Ref your ‘brief selection of a few points
from the Scientific Errors in Hindu Scriptures!’, I would request you
that before daring to touch upon such serious subjects....
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Subject: Re: To Sri Sanjeev Kulkarni: Ref your ‘brief selection of a
few points from the Scientific Errors in Hindu Scriptures!’, I would
request you that before daring to touch upon such serious subjects....
The biggest blunder of our people was that they turned science into
religion. Once you turn scientists into saints and rishisand science
into religion, your downward spiral and complete divorce with the
truth is only a matter of time. Once any truth becomes divine,
people have emotional attachment with it and they refuse to modify the
same in the light of new experiments or abandon them if new evidence
is found contradicting these hypothesis. They even refuse to update
the truth and their ideology becomes stagnant. Once science or so
called truth becomes divine, even glaring contradictions are ignored.
Fist the hypothesis was made without any experiment etc. and
subsequent thoughts based on this hypothesis are to be only coherent
with one another. Without verifying whether their ideas have solid
basis in reality, they started discussing about coherence of the ideas
with one another. This is called 'coherence theory of truth'. But
the hypothesis itself was never put to test. The biggest flaw in this
method is that you can thrash out inconsistencies of statements with
one another by modifying them, without validating the theory by
actual experiments and they were accepted as truth.
But there is 'correspondence theory of truth - espoused by Charvak.
Which means you cannot make out whether the statement is true or false
by its analysis or consistencies with the hypothesis. Truth depends on
whether there is corresponding reality in the universe and how far
your statement is consistent with the reality. e.g. Man has four legs
and table has four legs. You cannot know which statement is false and
which one is true just by analysis of the statement itself, unless you
verify which one corresponds with the reality. So when you make any
statement, to know if it is the truth, it is very important to verify
whether it corresponds with some thing in existence in the universe.
I have observed three flaws in Hindu philosophy / principles (1) they
never give reasoning for their statement and never explain how and why
they arrived at this particular conclusion (2) They never follow
principle of 'falsifiability' - i.e. under which condition they will
accept that their principle will be proved / considered wrong. (3)
there is never any unbiasedexperiment to test their hypothesis.
Whatever comes to mind by intuition becomes the 'ultimate truth'
without any further validation or testing and experimentation.
You go through any statements made by the 'believers' and find out
what is the basis of these statements. You will find besides
imagination of the authors, there is simply no basis and hence they
should not be taken as the truth. Nothing in this world can exist
which is contrary to the laws of nature. If you want to claim
existence of new / unknown law of nature, you have to go through the
rigours of proving the same scientifically. There are no short cuts
to the truth.
Sanjeev
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1. brief selection of a few points from the
Scientific Errors in Hindu Scriptures!
Many more points can be presented but I guess these few points will be
enough to prove my point.
Hindus either have to prove these things presented in their sacred
scriptures or accept that their sacred scriptures have severe scientific
errors. Vedas, claimed by Hindus to be the most sacred scripture, allege
that: Sun moves around the earth on a golden chariot with his 7 horses.
Vedas also allege that The Bull has supported the sky. For more continue
reading below.
1. Vedas say Earth is static!
According to Vedas, the earth is static and this statement is repeated
several times. The following are some of the examples:
Oh Man ! He who made the trembling earth static is Indra. (Rig Ved
2/12/12)
The God who made the earth stable (Yajur Ved 32/6)
Indra protects the wide earth which is immovable and has many forms
(Atarv Ved 12/1/11)
Let us walk on the Wide and Static earth (Atharv Ved 12/1/17)
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2. Vedas say Sun moves around the earth on a golden
chariot with his 7 horses
As the Veds Claim that the earth is static and so they tried to prove that the
sun moves around the earth. The following statement from the rig Ved tries
to clarify it:
1. "Sun is full of light and knows all the human beings, so his horses take
him to sky to look at the world" (Rig Ved 1/50/1)
2. "O, Bright sun, a chariot named harit with seven horses takes you to sky"
(Rig Ved 1/50/8)
3. "O, man, the sun who is most attractive, takes round of the earth, on his
golden chariot through the sky and removes the darkness of the earth"
(Yajur Ved 33/43)
3. Vedas say The Bull has supported the Sky
“The Bull has supported the sky.” Yajur Ved: 4: 30
“The Bull has supported the sky.” Yajur Ved: 14:5
4. Puranas say Earth is Flat
NARASINGA PURANA - Page 169 - Abithana Sinthamani - says that the earth
is flat. Today it has been proved beyond doubt by the scientists that the
earth is round.
5. Vishnu Purana - another astrological error
VISHNU PURANA says that sun is 800,000 miles and moon is 2,200,000
miles away from the earth respectively. Astronomy has now proved that the
moon is nearer to the earth, i.e. 240,000 miles and that the sun is
93,000,000 miles away from the earth.
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6. Markandeya Purana - gives completely wrong area
of the earth
MARKANDEYA PURANA says that the earth has an area of 4,000,000,000
square miles. According to astronomy, it is only 190,700,000 square miles.
7. Vedas / Puranas recommend looking directly into
the sun with naked eye
The Vedas and Puranas say that all Hindus must pray to the sun god SURYA,
and that if you look at the sun daily every morning with your naked eyes,
your sight will improve. Accordingly many Hindus practise this act of
worship; but instead of their eyesight improving, India is the country that
has the most blind people in the world (2.5 million blind people and 9
million with corneal blindness). There is no scientific truth in sun worship,
and on the contrary the scientist and doctors advise everyone not to look at
the sun directly with the naked eye. Who is telling us the truth, the
Scientists or the Hindu scriptures? You be the judge!
8. Vedas say cow is holy and should be worshipped.
(Brahmins add that cow dung ash has medicinal
value)
The Vedas say that the cow is holy and should be worshipped. These
Brahmins also claim that cow dung ash has medicinal value. Samples sent to
a leading test laboratory in West Germany have proved this to be untrue.
9. Mt. Meru 100,000 times higher than Mt. Everest
according to the Hindu Scriptures
Arya texts of a comparatively late period ( 5 century AD ) still maintain a
belief in the fictional Vedic Mt. Meru. It is supposed to be one hundred
thousand times higher than Mt. Everest! Regarding this mountain, the
Matsya Purana says,
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"It [Mt Meru] is golden and shining like fire. The colour of the eastern side
is white like the colour of Brahmans, that of the northern side is red like the
that of Kshatriyas, the southern is yellow like that of Vaishyas, the western
is black like the colour of Sudras. It is 86000 yojana high, and 16000 of
these lie in the earth. Each of the 4 sids has 34000 yojanas ... There are
beautiful golden houses inhabited by spiritual beings, the Devas, by the
singers the Gandharvas and their harlots the Apsaras. Also Asuas, Daityas
and Rakshasas are living in it. " -- [ Matsya Pur. quoted in al-B. i.247 ]
In general, 1 yojana = 8 miles = 32000 yards and 1 kroh = 1/2 yojana [ al-
B i.167 ]. Thus Mt. Meru would be 8x86,000 = 704,000 miles high. Mt.
Everest, by comparison, is only 29,000 ft., or less than 6 miles, high. Hence
Mt. Meru is 100,000 times higher than Mt. Everest !
The Kurma Purana has this to say on this topic,
" Earth, composed of seven continents, together with the oceans extends
500,000,000 yojanas across. Holy Jambudvipa lies in the middle of all the
continents; in its center is said to be lofty Mt. Meru, bright as gold. Its
height is 84,000 yojanas, and it extends 16,000 yojanas below the earth; its
width at the top is 32,000 yojanas, and its diameter at the base is 16,000
yojanas."
-- [ Kurma Purana, quoted in Classical, p. 52 ]
The impossibly high Mt. Meru is held to be the source of really existing
rivers in India such as the Sita.
[ Al-Beruni ] = `Albleruni's India', tr. Sachau
[ Classical ] = `Classical Hindu Mythology : A Reader in the Sanskrit
Puranas', ed. & trans. Cornelia Dimmitt and J.A.B. Buitenen
2. Universe is not measured does not make it infinite. Infinity is
totally different concept from what is measured.
3. Your attached article is based on 'god of gaps' and not positive
evidence for the authenticity of your claims. If there are vague
science based on assumptions, you have to show how you do not fall in
to this category.
There is no necessity of brahman for my brain to malfunction or
function. You have to show with evidence that how brain will
malfunction if there is nobrahman.
Sanjeev
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