Re: Elect MP from group of Retired Military Personnel..

[bhagwat goel]

MAYAWATI AS CHIEF MINISTER OF UP with 20 Crore Population.

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
To: Bhagwat Goel(India) <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>
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Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: Elect MP from group of Retired Military Personnel..

Shri Bhagwat ji,

Thanks for your feedback. Let us find out what other patriots have to say?

Kumar Arun

PS: I have no recollection of a dalit woman becoming PM of India.

From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.inDate: Sat, 19 May 2012 00:19:08 +0800Subject: Re: Elect MP from group of Retired Military Personnel.. 

Why we must Judge ourselves from American/Western standarads?  EVERY BODY WAS  HAPPY WHEN DALIT 

WOMAN BECAME PM, OR SO CALLED BACKWARDS. What they today?  Please let us end this issue here. WE 

DIFFER ON SINGLE POINT.  You say that retired army officers be brought as a matter of right enmasse.  I say they 

have open field to compete.  THANKS!

From: kuma...@hotmail.com

To: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in

Subject: RE: Elect MP from group of Retired Military Personnel..

Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:22:37 +0000

Shri Bhagwat ji,

You know very well that there are several elected senators, congressman and governors, have been serving the 

US government as civilian and they are doing a food job. I am sorry to say that you are undermining their abilities and

capabilities just because they have been trained to live a discipline life. On the contrary, this is what we Indians

should seek, a MP who runs the country within strict guidelines of constitution. How can you say that Sonia-Rahul

-Manmohan team are not imposing DESPOTIC RULE upon you and other Indians?

I am open to listen to a logical reason but your reasoning to undermine a military retired officer, is uncalled for.

Regards,

Kumar Arun

Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:29:58 +0800

From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in

Subject: Re: Elect MP from group of Retired Military Personnel..

To: kuma...@hotmail.com

ARUN JI;

                   this is bad and dangerous idea. OFFICERS ONLY KNOW ORDERS WHICH MUST BE FOLLOWED. 

DO  YOU WANT DESPOTIC RULE.

 

Otherwise those who want have entered politics.

 

Bhagwat Goel

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
To: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 7:48 AM
Subject: Elect MP from group of Retired Military Personnel..

                              

                      (Reaching Patriots of India globally with your help, please do forward)

The more you will learn about the politics of parliament, more you will get angry. It is no longer cronies of Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul

any more but most of the MPs (members of parliament) in Delhi need to be replaced.  We do not need a MP who brings appeasement 

issue with any minorities in India. India will be strong if we make our country a "Hindu Rashtra" but certainly not a Hindu state. 

We hindus must give fundamental rights to every citizen but no more special privileges to minority. This country belongs to The 

Vedic Culture & Traditions. A stronger Hindu Rashtra will being true sense of brotherhood not the divisive policies as you will 

read below. Much before Islamic invasion, every one was Hindu on the soil of Bharat. The history has been transparent that 

Hindus never treated any one subhuman as Nehru and her heirs have been doing to Hindu majority in Hindustan.

Please read the mail in it's entirety from bottom to top and please take your time in providing feedbacks.

Respectfully,

Dr. Kumar Arun

                                                          ____________________________________________

New Draconian Law---- All Hindus are to be treated like criminals

APR 9, 2012

All Hindus made criminals in Congress Communal Bill


If a Muslim woman or a minority woman complains of rape against a Hindu, he shall be arrested, it shall be presumed that charge is correct and 

he shall have to prove that charge against him is false and that Hindu will not know which woman has made complaint.

But if a Hindu woman is raped by a Muslim male then she has to prove charge of rape against that Muslim etc and her identity shall be told to her 

rapist. (This article was published in Indian express on 12th Jan 2012)

This Bill is worst than Aurangzebi firmans and reduces all Hindus to third class status and will force every Hindu to dance to the whims and fancy 

of every minority even if that minority is their employee. 

This Bill if enacted as a law shall give a legal weapon to every minority to send to jail for 10 years or more any Hindu. (Indian Express 12/1/12) 

Please read the details by clicking on the link below:

http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.in/2012/05/new-draconian-law-all-hindus-are-to-be.html

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From: kuma...@hotmail.com 

To: kuma...@hotmail.com 

Subject: RE: The first Lt.General 

Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 21:41:38 +0000

Dear Fellow Indians,

Some of you have replied to my proposal in such a way that is completely unrelated. I am not including those mails because

I do not want to waste recipients time as well as digress from the topic in discussion. The simple proposal before you, is

whether recruiting a willing and capable individual from the pool of retired military personnel for a member of parliament

is a good idea or not? If you think this is not a good idea, please let me know? If you think it is a good idea then please do

send your support and line of actions. 

With kind regards,

Kumar Arun

April 17, 2012

PS: Some of you think the all MPs from a group of retired military personnel, will create a military state in India like Pakistan. 

      I do not agree with you at all,  our Indian military do not posses such mind, attitude and indiscipline.

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012 6:57 PM
Subject: RE: The first Lt.General

Vasant ji,

My proposal to recruit a Patriot from the group of Retired Military Personnel for an independent candidate to run for member of parliament  

and face the incumbent MP and others in the race, is a revolutionary process. I am not suggesting an easy process, that is why I am 

looking for sincere feedbacks. And, I do appreciate your concern but one has to start somewhere. 

I think there are more honest Bharatiye among Retired Military Personnel than from civilians crowd. Like you said, there are corrupt 

individuals also in the military but I am sure you will agree that there are more honest individuals also in the military. My understanding is that an

"aam-aadmi", common man & woman in India will rather put his/her trust in a honest military individual than a civilian one. Besides, such candidate 

will be chosen by the voters of their own constituency NOT by some one sitting in Delhi. I am seeking approval of many minds like yours to go further 

into discussion. All those who will agree with my ideas, will also create a manifesto to run the campaign nationally. I may run village to village to start 

a grass root organizations but only me can't achieve the goal in the short time we have in hand. The next general election of India is in the 

corner, we must come of with concrete plan.

In democracy we have to rely on the democratic process. The goal here is to two fold: Elimination of current MPs from the face of Delhi 

politics and  Installment of Patriots chosen by the people for the people. Once we have government of known and acceptable Patriots, we 

can expect many changes in all area of life that you have also been pointing to. The Constituiton, the Edication, the Laws of the Land, the Vedic 

philosophy and much more, can only be established in India when we have a government who is committed to create a Hindu Rashtra 

NOT a Hindu state. I am all for giving certain basic rights to minorities but not from an appeasing point of views. I have been living in USA since 1982 

but I never asked US government to give a three days off from the work to perform a "Chatt Puja", Sun worship which is a great tradition from my home 

state of Bihar.

Any way, please do not hesitate in correcting my thoughts and help me to regain my strength among the patriots lie yourself.

Kind regards,

Kumar Arun

Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:33:37 +0800

From: vasant_...@yahoo.co.in

Subject: RE: The first Lt.General

Kumar Arunji,, I appreciate your feelings and anxiety, but the question is how can you be sure that the person chosen is an honest and sincere person; i n military also we find corrupt persons; secondly for being elected lot of moneys are required and even then there is no guarantee that such a person will get elected;our voters are also not enlightened.Not only that but many  do not mind corruption if they are given a part of it.The fact is that as stated by me there is the crisis of character. In fact our educational system requires overhauling which can be done only if we change the present regime and the new regime takes up this problem. There should be total revolution; not only we will have to change our constitution but the ideology of the society will have to be changed. V. S. Sardesai ____________________________________________________________________________________  --- On Thu, 17/5/12, Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: The first Lt.General Date: Thursday, 17 May, 2012, 5:13 PM Shri V. S. Sardesi ji,   I didn't expect that every one would like my ideas hence I appreciate your feedback. Who is not aware of the politics in progress anywhere in the country not only in Delhi? Two days ago, the ruling party MPs, almost every one, were absent from their work, being in the parliament. The television media showed this act when it was insisted by the leader of opposition, Smt. Sushama Swaraj. I am sure none of the working individual would dare to be absent from their duty without appropriate reason in private sector, will they? But highly paid tax payers employee,  the law makers, the legislatures can do that whenever they wish to, should we call them a patriot?  This is why I am proposing to bring a trained, disciplined and a patriot to become member of parliament. As far as  see, I do not see any other better way to throw the corrupt in jail for life term and send a message to every one to behave or face maximum punishment for the crime. Only a group of MPs who are patriots and form a government in Delhi, can implement justice to corrupt. I do not think an "aam-aadmi" will give this  trust to any civilians but with little persuasion may be to a qualified individual from retired military services. Respectfully, Kumar Arun April 17, 2012 Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:52:38 +0800 From: vasant_...@yahoo.co.in Subject: RE: The first Lt.General To be frank, I do not agree with you; for finding out the solution you should find out the cause, the reasons for our such indifference; the main reason is character crisis  which is due to our present educational system; we became like this because of the conscious efforts of McCauley in making us slaves of the West . We have forgotten our ideals, morality and ethics. Unless we regain our Hindu soul back there is no point in going for such superficial remedies. V. S. Sardesai ____________________________________________________________________________________________ --- On Wed, 16/5/12, Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: The first Lt.General Date: Wednesday, 16 May, 2012, 7:12 PM Dear Fellow Indians: Few weeks ago, I brought a simple idea before you and asked you to please share your thoughts with me. Unfortunately, majority of you preferred to keep quiet on the subject which I am going to outline once again. May I request you to please read the mail in it's entirety?  Our beloved country India and its sovereignty is in more danger today than it was ever before. There is simple analogy between a leak in the roof of the house and if the house is infected by termites. The rain water leaking inside the house can be plugged because it is a visible aspect of house problem. However, if the house infected with termites, not visible easily, do not get occupants attention. Most  people do not give so much attention and procrastinate the repair, resulting erosion in the foundation of the house itself. The corruption  in India, especially with Sonia-Manmohan-Rahul regime, is just like termites eating the foundation of the house of Bharat-Mata. How can we fix the problem? After hearing others view, I have also dared to propose one of my own. I am interested in receiving your  critical views and please do not hesitate in letting me know. Following outlines of my ideas do need your feedback:         *  A national movement in recruiting Willing, Capable and Honest individual from a group of Retired Military Personnel, requesting              them to run for MP from their respective constituency as an independent candidate.         *  The voters of each constituency will make a conscientious decision in this process and just one candidate will face the incumbent              as well as candidates of other parties. My best guess is that Indian voters are tired of corruption among politicians of each & every             party. They will rather give their vote to a patriot coming from military services than a civilians to bring change in central government.         *  Needless to mention that this national movement will come in force by the people and for the people who are committed to uproot              corruption from top (Delhi) to bottom (villages of India). I do feel that such election process where "aam-aadmi" take part for real             change in the politics of India, may not even need a huge money (in corrores)  and right candidate will win to reach Delhi as an             independent MP. Once they will reach Delhi after duly elected, the people behind the movement will give the needed identity of their             party name to the President of India and claim to form the government.                       * I do not have to lay down every steps of the way to parliament because in this process the countrymen will empower enough to capture             the imagination of how to eliminate the termites from the house of Bharat-Mata, implement the laws of the land in full force and             restore the very sovereignty in danger for the India. In my thinking we must make Bharat (India) a Hindu Rashtra which should not be              confused with Hindu state, please. I do request you to please take few moments in sharing your thoughts and encourage others to participate in the national interest. Respectfully, Dr. Kumar Arun India Heritage Foundation Michigan (USA)              Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 22:17:47 -0700 From: anand...@yahoo.com Subject: Fw: The first Lt.GeneralTo: kuma...@hotmail.com After getting freedom, a meeting was organized to select the first General of Indian Army. Jawahar Lal Nehru was heading that meeting. Leaders  and Army officers were discussing to whom this responsibility should be  given.  In between the discussion Nehru said, "I think we should appoint a British officer as a General of Indian Army as we don't have enough experience to lead the same.  "Everybody supported Nehru because if the PM was suggesting something, how  can they not agree?    But one of the army officers abruptly said, "I have a point, sir."    Nehru said, "Yes, gentleman. You are free to speak."    He said ,"You see, sir, we don't have enough experience to lead a nation  too, so shouldn't we appoint a British person as first PM of India?"    The meeting hall suddenly went quiet and tense.    Then, Nehru said, "Are you ready to be the first General of Indian Army ?"    He got a golden chance to accept the offer but he refused the same and said, "Sir, we have a very talented army officer, my senior,  Lt. Gen.Cariappa, who is the most deserving among us."    The army officer who raised his voice against the PM was Lt. General Nathu  Singh Rathore, the 1st Lt. General of the Indian Army.    That is the professionalism and character the military is made of ! Lt Gen NS Malik, PVSM Website:www.lifesavingindia.org

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[bhagwat goel]

Why we must Judge ourselves from American/Western standarads?  EVERY BODY WAS  HAPPY WHEN DALIT WOMAN BECAME PM, OR SO CALLED BACKWARDS. What they today?  Please let us end this issue here. WE DIFFER ON SINGLE POINT.  You say that retired army officers be brought as a matter of right enmasse.  I say they have open field to compete.  THANKS!

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
To: Bhagwat Goel(India) <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 6:58 PM
Subject: FW: Elect MP from group of Retired Military Personnel..

Sorry I missed to mention about USA government when I am talking about senators, congressman and governors below.

From: kuma...@hotmail.comTo: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.inSubject: RE: Elect MP from group of Retired Military Personnel..Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:22:37 +0000

Shri Bhagwat ji,

You know very well that there are several elected senators, congressman and governors, have been serving the 

country as civilian and they are doing a food job. I am sorry to say that you are undermining their abilities and

capabilities just because they have been trained to live a discipline life. On the contrary, this is what we Indians

should seek, a MP who runs the country within strict guidelines of constitution. How can you say that Sonia-Rahul

-Manmohan team are not imposing DESPOTIC RULE upon you and other Indians?

I am open to listen to a logical reason but your reasoning to undermine a military retired officer, is uncalled for.

Regards,

Kumar Arun

Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:29:58 +0800From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.inSubject: Re: Elect MP from group of Retired Military Personnel..To: kuma...@hotmail.com

[Trishool]

There are, and were, many dalit leaders on high position, in Indian government. The so called dalits are NOT dalits in Bharat. 

REAL DALITS ARE, HARD WORKING, POOR, NEGLECTED, FARMERS,  IN BHARAT.!!

God bless Bharat

Tr.   

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From: bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>
To: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 9:19 AM

Subject: Re: Elect MP from group of Retired Military Personnel..

Why we must Judge ourselves from American/Western standarads?  EVERY BODY WAS  HAPPY WHEN DALIT WOMAN BECAME PM, OR SO CALLED BACKWARDS. What they today?  Please let us end this issue here. WE DIFFER ON SINGLE POINT.  You say that retired army officers be brought as a matter of right enmasse.  I say they have open field to compete.  THANKS!

From: Kumar Arun <kuma...@hotmail.com>
To: Bhagwat Goel(India) <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>
Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 6:58 PM
Subject: FW: Elect MP from group of Retired Military Personnel..

Sorry I missed to mention about USA government when I am talking about senators, congressman and governors below.

From: kuma...@hotmail.com To: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in Subject: RE: Elect MP from group of Retired Military Personnel.. Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:22:37 +0000

Shri Bhagwat ji,

You know very well that there are several elected senators, congressman and governors, have been serving the 

country as civilian and they are doing a food job. I am sorry to say that you are undermining their abilities and

capabilities just because they have been trained to live a discipline life. On the contrary, this is what we Indians

should seek, a MP who runs the country within strict guidelines of constitution. How can you say that Sonia-Rahul

-Manmohan team are not imposing DESPOTIC RULE upon you and other Indians?

I am open to listen to a logical reason but your reasoning to undermine a military retired officer, is uncalled for.

Regards,

Kumar Arun

Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:29:58 +0800 From: bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in Subject: Re: Elect MP from group of Retired Military Personnel.. To: kuma...@hotmail.com

[bhagwat goel]