Re: Jana Gana Mana is a Prayer to God - Brahmins should Stop Defaming Rabindranath Tagore

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Ashok T. Jaisinghani

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Brahmins should Stop Defaming
Rabindranath Tagore
 
Dirgha Raj Prasai Jee,
 
    The bigoted Brahmins should stop defaming the great poet and nationalist visionary Gurudev Rabindranath Tagore. The dogmatic Brahmins do not like Rabindranath Tagore because he was a great thinker who advocated reforms favoring widow remarriage, the abolition of untouchability and  hereditary discrimination based on the rigid caste system, etc.
 
    The bigoted Brahmins want Jana Gana Mana to be replaced by Vande Mataram as the National Anthem because Vande Mataram was written in Sanskrit by a Brahmin called Bankim Chandra Chattopadhya. The bigoted Brahmins always favor the literary works of fellow Brahmins, especially when they are written in the Sanskrit language.
 
    Why don't you stop writing against Jana Gana Mana and defaming Gurudev Rabindranath Tagore?
 
   Ashok  T. Jaisinghani.
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From: "Dirgha Raj Prasai" <dirghar...@gmail.com>
To: "Ashok T. Jaisinghani" <asho...@sancharnet.in>
Sent: 09 Oct 2011 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Jana Gana Mana is a Prayer to God


My Suggestion to Change the Indian National Anthem

                                      By Dirgha Raj Prasai (Nepal)

I am always in fever of Sovereign-India with Hindu Nation as Nepal.
We have two pious Hindu countries in the world-
Himabatkhanda and Bharatkhanda. Kailash-Mansarowar to Hinda-Mahasagar
is the original place of Hindus and Hinduism. The Bramhaputra in east,
Hindukush in west, north Kailash-Mansarowar and the south Ganga River
is the boundary of Himabatkhanda(Nepal) and Ganga to Hinda-Mahasagar
is Bharatkhanda (India). Kailash-Mansarowar is the pious land of the
lord Shiva. We Nepalese and Indian people do not want any kind of communist
authoritarianism, they aspire only full democracy. The concerns of the
Nepalese and Indian people are political stability, peace and good
governance. There are some confusion between Nepal and India. It
should be solved cordially for the sake of the prestige of both
countries.

In the context of Indian history moreover during the regime of Muslims
in India, English imperialist-East India Company invaded India with Christianity.
They came first as traders. Secondly they came carrying Bible and of course
thirdly, the came with the sword building their own military force
secretly. The objective was to take over India and everybody knows
they succeeded. The British bribed the military by paying salaries to
fight for them to control   Muslims. Many Sikhs and other Indians
joined the British military. This was betraying to own race - Hindus.
This is actual history.

The present national anthem of India represents the past depressed
time of India by British. The great laureate and poet of India,
Rabindra Nath Tagore had composed a song "Jaana Gaana Maana Adhinayaka
Jaya He Bharat Bhagya Bidhata….." to welcome the British Emperor
George-V in 1911 AD. After the independence of India (1947), the song
accepted as the national anthem. Yes, the song was highly appreciated
as a welcome song at that time. But, why it was accepted in
'Independent-India' as a national anthem? This indicates that the
Indian mentality has been influenced by the British imperialism.

It may be that former Indian PM Nehru was Indian by body, but was an
Englishman at heart. The British Emperor George V traveled to India
with the queen at 1911, the King and Queen traveled to Delhi Durbar
where George wore the newly-created Imperial Crown of India at the
ceremony and declared the shifting of the capital of India from
Calcutta to Delhi. On 15 December of same year, he laid the foundation
stone of New Delhi with Queen Mary. They traveled throughout Nepal in
the invitation of Chandra Shamshre, then PM of Nepal, and George took
an opportunity to indulge in hunting tigers, shooting at Nepalese
Tarai- Southern part of Nepal. But, it would be good that as an
independent nation to choose another national anthem for India.


An Indian scholar Bhagavaandaas Tyaagi mentions- 'Many historians aver
that the newspaper reports cited above were misguided. The confusion
arose in British Indian press since a different song, "Badshah
Humaara……." written in Hindi by Rambhuj Chaudhary, was sung on the
same occasion in praise of the monarch. The nationalist Indian press
stated this difference of events clearly- the proceedings of the
Congress party session started with a prayer in Bengali to praise God
(song of benediction). This was followed by a resolution expressing
loyalty to King George V. Then another song was sung welcoming King
George V." (Amrita Bazar Patrika, Dec.28, 1911)

Mr. Tyaagi quoting the Bengalee, Dec. 28, 1911, further says 'The
annual session of Congress began by singing a song composed by the
great Bengali poet Babu Ravindranath Tagore. Then a resolution
expressing loyalty to King George V was passed. A song paying a
heartfelt homage to King George V was then sung by a group of boys and
girls.' Even the report of the annual session of the Indian National
Congress of December 1911 stated this difference: "On the first day of
28th annual session of the Congress, proceedings started after singing
Vande Mataram……. On the second day the work began after singing a
patriotic song by Babu Ravindranath Tagore. Messages from well wishers
were then read and a resolution was passed expressing loyalty to King
George V. Afterwards the song composed for welcoming King George V and
Queen Mary was sung."
In the context of Indian national Anthem An Indian scholar S.C. Gupta
writes-'As I have made a Thorough study of our "Jana Gana Mana...."
and "Vande Mataram... "National Songs, hence, please allow me to state
the following facts: Gandhiji, showing the weakness before the
Muslims, agreed that "Vande Mataram…….." our Most Patriotic National
Song may not be sung from any Congress platforms till its dispute is
resolved with Muslims. As a result our Most Nationalist and Patriotic
Song was not sung from any Congress Platforms in between 1930-1937.

In 1937, Gandhi , showing his  weakness towards  the  Muslims ,
resolved the dispute by agreeing to Muslims that this whole song will
not be sung in its full form, but its First Four lines only ,  which
formed the basis of division of Bharat Varsh, in spite  of  the  fact
that Vande  Mataram …… was nothing more than  the most  patriotic
song  sung  in  the  praise  of one's motherland  sincerely. This
most  patriotic  &  nationalist  song  is  not  a  simple  patriotic
song   but  it  is  a  mantra  which  provides  immense  energy  to
its  singer   that's  why  all  Satyagrahies   and  Krantikaries
before  they  were  hanged  or  tortured  by the  then  cruel  &
brute British  forces  &  their  Indian  stooges  always  recited  "
Vande  Mataram... while fighting with the British for our freedom.

A scholar -Shri Dharam Paul writes-'The British looted India in
trillions.  If they have to return the loot, then the Swiss black
money becomes juju by the fact remains that during Bengal famine,
British exported rice from India to take care of their war efforts.
In the process, 3 million Hindus died of starvation.  An excellent
book is available on this topic. Again, during the British rule, more
than 5 million Hindus were killed. It is because of the British divide
and rule, India was portioned, giving way for Hindu-Muslim riots.
Millions of precious lives were lost. Why British came to India - to
plunder the wealth - because our country was prosperous.The British
destroyed the indigenous industry.'  Then, still, why Indian
nationalists are obeying the British's path?

Of course, history is misguided due to dirty politics played by
leaders and traitors in the country. Britishers  before  leaving India
 had  given away  millions  of  hectares  land, property and  money
to  Indian  politicians.  Many of their children are ruling over
India. Probably it would be the main cause of all the ills   and
corruption in India. The present government of India is not willing to
change the national anthem. The government is guided by Mrs. Sonia
Gandhi who probably does not want to do so. Therefore Indian
nationalists should initiate the advocacy towards changing their
national anthem. The India city Bombay had changed to Mumbai, so on
Madras to Chennai, and Calcutta to Kolkata. Then, why not national
anthem, a song devoted to British Emperor be changed?

                    Email: dirghar...@gmail.com
 
On 10/9/11, Ashok T. Jaisinghani <asho...@sancharnet.in> wrote:

Jana Gana Mana is a Prayer to God
 
    Some dogmatic persons are still trying to find fault with Jana Gana Mana by wrongly stating that Gurudev Rabindranath Tagore had written the song in honor of King George V, the British Emperor, during his visit to India in the year 1911. It just does not matter even if some boys and girls had sung Jana Gana Mana to welcome the British Emperor to India.
 
    To understand whether it was written in praise of the King or not, we should carefully read all the words in the song shown below:
 
    Jana gana mana Adhinaayaka jaya hey,
    Bhaarata bhaagya Vidhaata.
    Panjaaba, Sindha, Gujaraata, Maraathhaa,
    Draavida, Utkala, Banga,
    Vindya, Himaachala, Yamunaa, Gangaa,
    Uchchhala jaladhi taranga.
   Tava shubha naame jaage,
   Tava shubha aashisha maange,
    Gaahey tava jaya gaathaa.
    Jana gana Mangaladaayaka jaya hey,
    Bhaarata bhaagya Vidhaata.
    Jaya hey, jaya hey, jaya hey,
    Jaya, jaya, jaya, jaya hey.
 
    The controversy whether or not Jana Gana Mana was a song written in honor of King George V, the British Emperor, can be settled by the meaning of the following two lines of Rabindranath Tagore's poem:
 
    Tava shubha naame jaage,
    Tava shubha aashisha maange.   
 
    The meaning of the two lines shown above is as follows: 
 
    Waking up with your Holy Name,
    We ask for your auspicious blessings.
 
    In all the religious communities of India, the devotees take the name of God upon awakening in the early morning and seek His blessings. So it is absolutely clear that Jana Gana Mana is a song in praise of God. Jana Gana Mana is definitely a prayer.
 
    The devotees do not seek the blessings of any king or emperor on waking up in the morning. The meaning of the two lines proves without any doubt that Jana Gana Mana could never have been written by Gurudev Rabindranath Tagore for praising King George V, the British Emperor.
 
   Ashok  T. Jaisinghani.
     Editor & Publisher:
www.Wonder-Cures.com 
www.Nutritionist-No-1.com 
www.Top-Nut.com    Top Nutritionist
www.SindhiKalakar.com  
 
 

 

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From: "Dirgha Raj Prasai" <dirghar...@gmail.com>
To: <desi...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: 06 Oct 2011 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: (Desiyatra)-- Sindhis can Prevent Deletion of Sindh from Jana
Gana Mana


Dear Indian Nationalists !

I am from Nepal. Since 2009, I have been expressing my opinion on
Indian national anthem to change. So, please read, convey to all and use.

My Suggestion to Change the Indian National Anthem

                      By Dirgha Raj Prasai (Nepal)

The present national anthem of India represents the past depressed
time of India by British. The great laureate and poet of India,
Rabindra Nath Tagore had composed a song
"Jaana Gaana Maana Adhinayaka Jaya He
Bharat Bhagya Bidhata….." to welcome the British Emperor
George-V in 1911 AD. After the independence of India (1947), the song
accepted as the national anthem. Yes, the song was highly appreciated
as a welcome song at that time. But, why it was accepted in
'Independent-India' as a national anthem? This indicates that the
Indian mentality has been influenced by the British imperialism.
It may be that former Indian PM Nehru was Indian by body, but was an
Englishman at heart. The British Emperor George V traveled to India
with the queen at 1911, the King and Queen traveled to Delhi Durbar
where George wore the newly-created Imperial Crown of India at the
ceremony and declared the shifting of the capital of India from
Calcutta to Delhi. On 15 December of same year, he laid the foundation
stone of New Delhi with Queen Mary. . . .
 
    Email: dirghar...@gmail.com




On 10/5/11, Ashok T. Jaisinghani <asho...@sancharnet.in> wrote:

Sindhis can Prevent Deletion of Sindh
From Jana Gana Mana
 
    Some persons are again trying to get "Sindh" deleted from Jana Gana Mana, the National Anthem of India written by the great poet Gurudev Rabindranath Tagore. The Sindhi leaders can easily prevent the deletion of "Sindh" from Jana Gana Mana if they take one step, which I have explained below. 
 
    The main objection to the mention of Sindh in the National Anthem is the fact that Sindh is a part of Pakistan. At present, no part of Sindh is in India, though there are millions of Sindhis living in the country.
 
    This objection can be removed if all the Sindhi leaders, living in India and other countries, jointly petition the Government of Gujarat to create a small district with the name of Sindh from the District of Kutch. I am sure that the large-hearted Kutchis will accept this proposal, just as they had welcomed the Sindhi refugees from Pakistan to settle in Kutch after the Partition of India in 1947.
 
    Should the Sindhi leaders not send a petition to the Government of Gujarat requesting it to make the region of Adipur-Gandhidham in Kutch into a separate District of Sindh? The Sindhi leaders from all over the world must send such a petition as soon as possible. The majority of the people in the Adipur-Gandhidham region of Kutch are Sindhis, whose parents and grandparents had migrated to India from Sindh after the Partition of the country.
 
    Once we are able to get a very small District of Sindh anywhere in India, there will be no need for the Government of India to delete the name of Sindh from Jana Gana Mana. Even if it is very small, the new District of Sindh will be known as a part of India. Jana Gana Mana will then require no correction, as far as the mention of Sindh in the National Anthem is concerned.
 
   Ashok  T. Jaisinghani.
     Editor & Publisher:
www.Wonder-Cures.com 
www.Nutritionist-No-1.com 
www.Top-Nut.com    Top Nutritionist
www.SindhiKalakar.com  
 
 

Dirgha Raj Prasai

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Dear Mr. Ashok T. Jaisinghani !
Good Morning !
Namaste from Kathamndu !

I know-Rabindranath Tagore is a great poet of India.I have read his
many books and poems including Geetanjali. We Nepalese people regard
him. He is not only the lovable for Indian people but also in Nepal
and in all over the world. But, in the context of Indian national
anthem- it is my request, it is not sweetable to accept the welcome
song for the Sovereign-India as a national anthem.That is all.
Please, think and decide my suggeation.
OK ?
With best wishes

Dirgha Raj Prasai
Kathmandu
Nepal.

On 10/10/11, Ashok T. Jaisinghani <asho...@sancharnet.in> wrote:
> Brahmins should Stop Defaming
> Rabindranath Tagore
>
> Dirgha Raj Prasai Jee,
>
> The bigoted Brahmins should stop defaming the great poet and nationalist
> visionary Gurudev Rabindranath Tagore. The dogmatic Brahmins do not like
> Rabindranath Tagore because he was a great thinker who advocated reforms
> favoring widow remarriage, the abolition of untouchability and hereditary
> discrimination based on the rigid caste system, etc.
>
> The bigoted Brahmins want Jana Gana Mana to be replaced by Vande Mataram
> as the National Anthem because Vande Mataram was written in Sanskrit by a
> Brahmin called Bankim Chandra Chattopadhya. The bigoted Brahmins always
> favor the literary works of fellow Brahmins, especially when they are
> written in the Sanskrit language.
>
> Why don't you stop writing against Jana Gana Mana and defaming Gurudev
> Rabindranath Tagore?
>
> Ashok T. Jaisinghani.
> Editor & Publisher:
> www.Wonder-Cures.com
> www.Nutritionist-No-1.com
> www.Top-Nut.com Top Nutritionist
> www.SindhiKalakar.com
>
>
>

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Hey,

Jaisinghani

Do not instigate others to write against your sindhi community which is showing now their loyalty to the traitors of india.  From your replies it is clear that You know nothing about the brahmin community and their sacrifice to india.  Do not be a foul mouth guy.  Write only to be point and do not dishonour any caste or community dear.  This is public forum and you are requested to show decency while writing mails.




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To: Dirgha Raj Prasai <dirghar...@gmail.com>
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Subject: (Desiyatra)-- Re: Jana Gana Mana is a Prayer to God - Brahmins should Stop Defaming Rabindranath Tagore

MANI R.S.

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RABINDRA NATH TAGORE WAS ALSO A BRAHMIN, DEAR.

Ashok T. Jaisinghani

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Rabindranath Tagore was a Reformer
He was NOT Bigoted like many Brahmins
 
    Had I mentioned anything about Rabindranath Tagore's caste? Did I state that he was born in a non-Brahmin family? I have not made any such statements. All I wish to state is that Rabindranath Tagore was NOT a Bigoted Brahmin, as he believed in reforms in the Hindu community. That is the reason why the bigoted or extremely dogmatic Brahmins considered him as a traitor, whom they wanted to treat as an OUTCASTE.   
 
    If Rabindranath Tagore were considered to be a real Brahmin, why are many of the Brahmins against him and his Jana Gana Mana as the National Anthem of India? Why don't they accept Jana Gana Mana as a prayer to God, which was not written in praise of the British Emperor?
 
All the Brahmins are NOT Bigoted
 
    Rabindranath Tagore is one great example of a Brahmin who was not bigoted. Rabindranath Tagore was a rebel against the extreme dogmatism of the Bigoted Brahmins. He had renounced the dogmatism of Bigoted Brahmins, as he did not believe in many of the Brahmin dogmas. So can the dogmatic Brahmins accept him as a Brahmin?
 
    Why do the Brahmins prefer Vande Mataram against Jana Gana Mana? As Rabindranath Tagore had become an outcaste for the Bigoted Brahmins, they are still trying to get Jana Gana Mana replaced by Vande Mataram as India's National Anthem.
 
    The Bigoted Brahmins don't like Jana Gana Mana as the National Anthem because it was written by a great reformer who believed in equality, secularism and the remarriage of widows. He was also against the rigid caste system, untouchability and other evil practices among the Hindus, which are still favored by the Bigoted Brahmins.
 
    There is no doubt that Vande Mataram is also a very patriotic song. However, Vande Mataram is not easy to sing because it contains many difficult Sanskrit words. In big gatherings, all the people cannot sing Vande Mataram together. Only one person or few individuals usually sing Vande Mataram, and the others merely hear it in large gatherings.
 
    Unlike the problem with singing Vande Mataram together, even a thousand persons can sing the Jana Gana Mana at the same time.
 
Who are the Bigoted Persons?
 
    Bigoted persons are those fellows who are absolutely stubborn even about such of their beliefs, which are wrong. The bigoted persons don't tolerate any reformists even in their own caste, as the reformists are dubbed as traitors and outcastes.
 
    There can be bigoted Kshatriyas, bigoted Vaisyas and even bigoted Dalits especially among the dogmatic leaders of the different castes.
 
    When the Dalits and other lower castes become extremely bigoted, they even accept the dogmas of Marxism and become Maoists and Naxalites, who stubbornly believe in the use of violent methods for solving various problems of the poor and deprived classes and castes.
 
    If a reformer like Rabindranath Tagore from a Brahmin family can be ostracized, how much more severe can be the punishment the Bigoted Brahmins must be thinking of giving to the lower caste reformers? The ideology of Bigoted Brahmins is one of the main causes for the birth and rise of the bigoted and extremely violent Maoists and Naxalites.
 
   Ashok  T. Jaisinghani.
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