Re: Bible found in Turkey Claims that 'Jesus predicted The coming of Prophet Mohammed’
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dont all for fake nonsense.Its already been exposed as fake..
The 1,500 Year Old ‘Bible’ and Muslim Propaganda
(AINA) — Much has been made of the recent discovery in Turkey of a
Bible purported to be written in the Aramaic language, 1,500 years ago.
The Muslim media, as well as Western media outlets, quickly pounced on
this, claiming this Bible contains verses attributed to Jesus Christ, in
which Christ predicts the coming of Muhammad. No media outlet has
published a facsimile of these verses.
This “Bible” is written on leather in gold letters. The picture of
the front cover show inscriptions in Aramaic and a picture of a cross.
For any native speaker of Modern Assyrian (also known as
neo-Aramaic), and that would be your average Assyrian today, the
inscription is easily read. The bottom inscription, which is the most
clearly visible from the published photos, says the following:
Transliteration: b-shimmit maran paish kteewa aha ktawa al idateh d-rabbaneh d-dera illaya b-ninweh b’sheeta d-alpa w-khamshamma d-maran
Translation: In the name of our Lord, this book is written on the
hands of the monks of the high monastery in Nineveh, in the 1,500th year
of our Lord.
Nineveh is the ancient Assyrian capital and is located in present-day north Iraq, near Mosul.
There are spelling errors that are immediately noticeable.
The first word, b’shimmit maran (“in the name of our Lord”),
is erroneously spelled with a ‘t’ instead of a ‘d’. The ‘d’ in Assyrian
is the genitive, and it prefixes the word that follows. It should read b-shimma d-maran, not b-shimmit maran (note, the last word of the sentence is correctly spelled d-maran (“of our Lord”)).
The first word also contains another spelling error. The correct spelling for “name” in Assyrian is ashma, with the initial ‘a’ being silent. Therefore, when correctly spelled, ‘in the name of our Lord” should be written as b-ashma d-maran.
The word idateh is misspelled, it should end with an ‘a’, idata. Also the phrase al idateh (“on the hands”) is incorrect, it should read b-idata (“by the hands”).
The bottom sentence uses the word ktawa (“book”) to refer to the book, but in Assyrian the Bible is never referred to as a “book.” One says awreta (Old Testament), khdatta (New Testament), or ktawa qaddeesha (holy book). Given this, since no one has seen the inside of this “Bible,” we cannot be sure if it is in fact a Bible.
Most significantly, this writing is in Modern Assyrian, which was
standardized in the 1840s. The first bible in Modern Assyrian was
produced in 1848. If this book were written in 1500 A.D. it should have
been written in Classical Assyrian.
It is highly unlikely for monks to make such elementary mistakes. It
remains to be seen whether this book is a forgery, or even what kind of
book it is.
The bottom inscription also says the book was written in 1500 A.D..
If the book does contain verses predicting the coming of Muhammad, it is
no great accomplishment to predict something 870 years after the fact,
since Muhammad founded Islam in 630 A.D..
Most media outlets, as well as Muslim and Christian
outlets, lead the story with headlines pronouncing “1500 year old Bible
predicts the coming of Muhammad” — without any evidence to support
this.
For Muslims, the implications of the headlines are desirable, that
Jesus Christ is a Prophet, just like Muhammad, and not the Son of God.
According to Al Bawaba,
the Turkish culture and tourism minister, Ertugrul Gunay, said “In line
with Islamic belief, the Gospel [this Bible] treats Jesus as a human
being and not a God. It rejects the ideas of the Holy Trinity and the
Crucifixion and reveals that Jesus predicted the coming of the Prophet
Mohammed.”
Commenting on the errors in the book, Al Bawaba says in another article:
For example, the book says that there are nine heavens and that the
tenth is paradise while in Quran they are seven only and claims that
Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus without any pain while the Quran story
says she got labor pains.
According to the gospel, Jesus said to Jewish priests that he is not
the Messiah and that the Messiah is Mohammed. This means a denial of the
existence of a Messiah, who is in fact Jesus Christ, and makes Jesus
and Mohammed seem like they are one and the same person.
The book also contains information that lack historical credibility
like the presence of three armies, each made up of 200,000 soldiers, in
Palestine whereas the entire population of Palestine 2,000 years ago did
not even reach 200,000. In addition, Palestine was occupied by the
Romans at the time and it is impossible that Palestine was allowed to
have any army or armies of its own.
The last sentence in chapter 217 says that 100 pounds of stones were
placed on Christ’s body. This confirms that the gospel was written quite
recently because the first to use the pound as a unit of weight was the
Ottomans in their experiments with Italy and Spain and it was never
known during the time of Jesus.
Chapter 20 also stated that the cities of Jerusalem and Nazareth are sea ports.
This same article ends with “According to many studies, the gospel
attributed to St. Barnabas was written by a European Jew in the Middle
Ages who was quite familiar with the Quran and the Gospels. He, thus,
mixed facts from here and there and his intentions remain unknown.”
But despite the availability of information on this “Bible,” most
media outlets, Muslims, liberal and secular organizations have portrayed
this discovery as something that undermines Christianity, ignoring the
many problems with this book and presenting it as virtual fact. In fact,
in their zeal to support the anti-Christian narrative, they have
withheld or suppressed information questioning the authenticity of this
book. For these organizations and individuals, this is another tool in
their arsenal for the attack on the foundations of Christian doctrine.
By Peter BetBasoo and Ashur Giwargis
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Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012, 4:08
Subject: Bible found in Turkey Claims that 'Jesus predicted The coming of Prophet Mohammed’
Dear All
For your info. Please also note that the bible like the quran had many writers many hundred of years after the death of Jesus the Christ and Mohammed. Mohammedism also claim that the Vedas predict the coming of Mohammed. They cannot and could not prove this even today.
Please open web site below and read and come to your own conclusion.
For your info. Please also note that the bible like the quran had many writers many hundred of years after the death of Jesus the Christ and Mohammed. Mohammedism also claim that the Vedas predict the coming of Mohammed. They cannot and could not prove this even today.
Please open web site below and read and come to your own conclusion.
`Jesus predicted coming of Prophet Mohammed' in Bible found in Turkey
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/02/26/197060.html 'Jesus predicted coming of Prophet Mohammed’ in Bible found in Turkey
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Is it just me or others to get different experience (compared to in the past) of news items like given below after being aware of History Centrism?.
Deva
Deva
Arjun
Mar 2, 2012, 2:45:23 PM3/2/12
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Well maybe you should read the article first ....that should be simple
"Many peoples from different places contributed to the development of the Quran that we have today. Hence, varied and conflicting styles and issues are expected to be found in the Qur’an."
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/quran-koran/collection-of-the-quran-part-3/
"Many peoples from different places contributed to the development of the Quran that we have today. Hence, varied and conflicting styles and issues are expected to be found in the Qur’an."
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/quran-koran/collection-of-the-quran-part-3/
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Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012, 11:38
Subject: Re: [BrentSacre] Bible found in Turkey Claims that 'Jesus predicted The coming of Prophet Mohammed’
There is a difference between the written Quran being 'collected' and 'authored'. The extract you have forwarded is referring only to the difference of opinions in 'how' the Quran was collected. It's not rocket science!
Humera
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Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012, 19:26
Subject: Re: [BrentSacre] Bible found in Turkey Claims that 'Jesus predicted The coming of Prophet Mohammed’
Actually thats not true either according to facts.The full version of the article can be read at the following link where the author can also be challenged if not true...
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/quran-koran/collection-of-the-qur%E2%80%99an-part-1/
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/quran-koran/collection-of-the-qur%E2%80%99an-part-1/
Collection of the Qur’an after Muhammad
"There are confusing facts on when and how the Qur’an was collected. One of the traditions tells us that the Qur’an was collected during Abu Bakr’s time (632-634), the first Caliph who took over after Muhammad (PBUH) died. After the battle of Yamama during Abu Bakr’s time, Omar got worried about losing parts of the Qur’an. The reason for that is that many of those who memorized the Qur’an or major parts of it died in that battle. Abu Bakr, then, asked Zaid Ibn Thabit, a former secretary of the Prophet, to take on this task of collecting the Qur’an. Zaid collected the Qur’anic verses which were written on many different kinds of materials used for writing at the time (papyrus, flat stones, palm leaves, ribs of animals,..). Then this version of the Qur’an was handed over to Abu Bakr, who passed it to Umar on his death bed. Umar did the same and gave this version of the Qur’an to his daughter Hafsa.
This above tradition of how the Qur’an was collected, is suspect to
many criticisms. First, this Qur’an was not treated as an official
codex, but as a private property of Hafsa, thus no authority is given to
Abu Bakr’s Qur’an. Second, some believe that the whole story of
collecting the Quran during Abu Bakr’s time was fabricated to give
credit to Abu Bakr, and take the credit away from Uthman, the third
Caliph. Some even suggested that this whole story was invented later to
take the collection of the Qur’an as back as possible to the time of
Muhammad’s death."
From: humera khan <hume...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012, 11:08
Subject: Re: [BrentSacre] Bible found in Turkey Claims that 'Jesus predicted The coming of Prophet Mohammed’
Dear Deva
I am not personally into proving or disproving the claims of people from any faith traditions - including my own. But when sending out emails it is advisable to get some of the details correct.
Firstly you said 'the Quran had many writers' - this is not correct. The Quran has only one author - it is the direct revelation from God to Prophet Muhammad and has been unchanged for
over 1400 years. There has obviously been numerous commentaries and translations which form part of the pluralist approach to understanding the contents of the Quran. Within these traditions there are as many different opinions as there are stars in the sky!
Secondly followers of Islam are not following 'Mohammedism' - followers of Islam are called Muslims.
Since I received this email I felt that I couldn't pass it by
without the corrections.
REgards
Humera
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Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012, 12:08
Subject: [BrentSacre] Bible found in Turkey Claims that 'Jesus predicted The coming of Prophet Mohammed’
Subject: [BrentSacre] Bible found in Turkey Claims that 'Jesus predicted The coming of Prophet Mohammed’
Dear All
For your info. Please also note that the bible like the quran had many writers many hundred of years after the death of Jesus the Christ and Mohammed. Mohammedism also claim that the Vedas predict the coming of Mohammed. They cannot and could not prove this even today.
Please open web site below and read and come to your own conclusion.
For your info. Please also note that the bible like the quran had many writers many hundred of years after the death of Jesus the Christ and Mohammed. Mohammedism also claim that the Vedas predict the coming of Mohammed. They cannot and could not prove this even today.
Please open web site below and read and come to your own conclusion.
`Jesus predicted coming of Prophet Mohammed' in Bible found in Turkey
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/02/26/197060.html 'Jesus predicted coming of Prophet Mohammed’ in Bible found in Turkey
.
Is it just me or others to get different experience (compared to in the past) of news items like given below after being aware of History Centrism?.
Deva
Deva
Arjun
Mar 2, 2012, 2:26:52 PM3/2/12
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Arjun
Mar 2, 2012, 3:08:23 PM3/2/12
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Im not the one distorting it but the facts are there on that site that can be challenged.Most of the people on that site are experts and will pay 50 thousand dollars to anyone who can prove them wrong.So Just by saying its not true is not evidence .If that was the case then every criminal in jail is innocent buts Its whats based on facts that is taken seriously. Now if its your personal belief then thats different but thats not what others have to believe as fact...
From: humera khan <hume...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012, 11:58
Subject: Re: [BrentSacre] Bible found in Turkey Claims that 'Jesus predicted The coming of Prophet Mohammed’
You can distort it which ever way you like it is up to you but the fact remains the same - the Quran is unchanged from its first revelation. The differences in styles are only in translation as translators by definition can only translate to their limitations.
Humera
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Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012, 19:45
Saavitri Pundit
Mar 14, 2012, 1:01:42 PM3/14/12
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Please read hereunder the true teaching of the Bible.
It is preaching hatred, murder, looting etc. and that is christian peace
Christianity has ravaged every country where it was preached.
Om Mani Pade Hum
Saavitri Pundit
Old Testament is the first part of the Christian Bible
Oxford Dictionary p 1291
New Testament is the second part of the Christian Bible Oxford Dictionary p 1249
Old Testament is of Jewish origin and New Testament is of Christian origin and both make together first and second part of Christian Bible.
New Testament is the second part of the Christian Bible Oxford Dictionary p 1249
Old Testament is of Jewish origin and New Testament is of Christian origin and both make together first and second part of Christian Bible.
The hidden
(from Hindoos) link between Jews and Christians. Why then Jews and Christian
were after one another's blood? Read below and you will have the clue. Read
further Judaism Christianity Islam Secularism Hinduism and you will have the
clarity!
Jesus Christ said (1) why I have descended from Heaven
St Matthew was an Apostle and the author of the first
Gospel Oxford Dictionary p1143
Each of the twelve chief disciples of Jesus Christ is an Apostle Oxford Dictionary p77
Gospel is the record of Jesus Christ's life and teachings in the first four books of the New Testament Oxford Dictionary p792
Christian Bible, Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Holy Bible p757
Each of the twelve chief disciples of Jesus Christ is an Apostle Oxford Dictionary p77
Gospel is the record of Jesus Christ's life and teachings in the first four books of the New Testament Oxford Dictionary p792
Christian Bible, Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Holy Bible p757
Wage war
against those who do not agree with me!
St Luke was an evangelist and the author of the third
Gospel Oxford Dictionary p1099
Christian Bible, Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: Holy Bible p815
Nay a negative answer. Oxford Dictionary p1237
Christian Bible, Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: Holy Bible p815
Nay a negative answer. Oxford Dictionary p1237
Divide
them!
Jesus Christ said (2) what I have come to give to the
Humanity
Christian Bible, Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man
at variance against his father, and the daughter against the mother, and the
daughter in law against her mother in law. 10:36 And a man’s foe shall be they
of his own household. Holy Bible p757
Split the
Family! Destroy their unity! Turn family members enemy of each other!
Christian Bible, Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there
shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the
father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother;
the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against
her mother in law. Holy Bible p815
Family
threadbare!
St Thomas was an Apostle, meaning chief disciple of Jesus
Christ Oxford Dictionary p1928 and p77 respectively
Gospel of Thomas 16 Jesus said: Perhaps men think that I came to cast peace on the world; and they do not know that I came to cast division upon earth, fire, sword, war. For five will be in a house, there will be three against two and two against three, the father against the son and the son against the father. And they will stand because they are single ones.
Ref: The Secret Sayings of Jesus (according to the Gospel of Thomas) Robert M Grant, et al, London as quoted in ISBN 81-85990-21-2 [1995] p76 n36
Gospel of Thomas 16 Jesus said: Perhaps men think that I came to cast peace on the world; and they do not know that I came to cast division upon earth, fire, sword, war. For five will be in a house, there will be three against two and two against three, the father against the son and the son against the father. And they will stand because they are single ones.
Ref: The Secret Sayings of Jesus (according to the Gospel of Thomas) Robert M Grant, et al, London as quoted in ISBN 81-85990-21-2 [1995] p76 n36
Put them one
against the other! Make them quarrel!
Jesus Christ said (3) what I expect from my followers
Gospel of Thomas 56 Jesus said: He who will not hate his
father and his mother cannot be my disciple. And he who will not hate his
brothers and sisters, and carry his cross as I have, will not become worthy of
me
Ref: The Secret Sayings of Jesus (according to the Gospel of Thomas) Robert M Grant, et al, London as quoted in ISBN 81-85990-21-2 [1995] p76 n36
Ref: The Secret Sayings of Jesus (according to the Gospel of Thomas) Robert M Grant, et al, London as quoted in ISBN 81-85990-21-2 [1995] p76 n36
Hate your
loved ones!
Christian Bible, Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and
hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters,
yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Holy Bible p817
Hate, Hate,
Hate!
Christian God (and Jewish Lord) said this is My 1st Law
Statute in biblical use a law or decree made by a
sovereign, or by God. Oxford Dictionary p 1818
Deuteronomy is the fifth book of the Bible. Oxford Dictionary p 504
Christian Bible Deuteronomy 12:1 These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD Godof thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days ye live upon the earth. Holy Bible p168
Deuteronomy is the fifth book of the Bible. Oxford Dictionary p 504
Christian Bible Deuteronomy 12:1 These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD Godof thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days ye live upon the earth. Holy Bible p168
Follow this
till eternity!
Christian God (and Jewish Lord) said this is My 2nd Law
Christian Bible Deuteronomy 12:2 Ye shall utterly destroy
all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their Gods,
upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and every green tree: Holy Bible
p168
Totally
Destroy!
Christian Bible Deuteronomy 12:3 And ye shall overthrow
their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye
shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them
out of that place. Holy Bible p168
Hew chop, cut with axe [Collins English Gem Dictionary p 246]
Graven image a carved idol or representation of a god used as an object of worship [Oxford Dictionary p 801]
Hew chop, cut with axe [Collins English Gem Dictionary p 246]
Graven image a carved idol or representation of a god used as an object of worship [Oxford Dictionary p 801]
Eliminate
totally, wipe out even the names of their gods!
Christian God (and Jewish Lord) said this is My 3rd Law
Christian Bible Deuteronomy 13:6 If thy brother, the son
of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy
friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and
serve other Gods, which thou hast not known, nor thy fathers; 13:7 Namely, of
the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off
from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine
eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 13:9
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shalt be first upon him to put him
to death, and afterwards the hands of all the people. 13:10 And thou shalt
stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away
from the LORD thy God Holy Bible p169
Kill with
your own hands, your brother, your son, your daughter, your wife, your best
friend by stoning him/her until he/she dies, if he/she tries to entice you to
serve another god (convert into another religion).
Christian God (and Jewish Lord) said this is My 4th Law
Christian Bible Deuteronomy 20:16 But of the cities of
these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou
shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: 20:17 But thou shalt utterly destroy
them; Holy Bible p175
Must not
leave there anything alive that breaths
Christian God (and Jewish Lord) said this is My 5th Law
Christian Bible Deuteronomy 32:24 They shall be burnt
with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I
will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of
the dust. 32:25 The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the
young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.
Holy Bible p187
Make them
starve
Throw them into fire
Spare not the babies sucking mother’s milk and old men of gray hair with their one foot in the grave - kill them all
Throw them into fire
Spare not the babies sucking mother’s milk and old men of gray hair with their one foot in the grave - kill them all
Nature (character) of Christian God (and of Jewish Lord)
Nahum : a book of the Bible (Oxford Dictionary p 1228)
Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
Exodus is the second book of the Bible (Oxford Dictionary
p 645)
34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Jealous and
revengeful is the Christian God and the Jewish Lord
Teachings of Christianity #1 (and of Judaism)
Christian Bible Exodus 23:24 Thou shalt not bow down to
their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly
overthrow them, and quite break down their images. Holy Bible p68
Exodus is the second book of the Bible (Oxford Dictionary p 645)
Exodus is the second book of the Bible (Oxford Dictionary p 645)
Destroy
their idols!
Christian Bible Exodus 34:13 But ye shall destroy their
altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: Holy Bible p79
Destroy
everything that relates to their worship!
Great Teachings of Christianity #2 (and of Judaism)
Numbers the mainly narrative fourth book of canonical
Jewish and Christian Scripture (Merriam-Webster Online)
Numbers is the fourth book of the Bible (Oxford Dictionary p 1272)
Christian Bible Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Holy Bible p149
Every male among little ones = baby boys
Women that hath known man by lying with him = married women
women children that hath known man by lying with him = baby girls, virgins
Numbers is the fourth book of the Bible (Oxford Dictionary p 1272)
Christian Bible Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Holy Bible p149
Every male among little ones = baby boys
Women that hath known man by lying with him = married women
women children that hath known man by lying with him = baby girls, virgins
Kill their every
little male child, save the virgins for yourself!
Great Teachings of Christianity #3 (and of Judaism)
Isaiah a prophetic book of canonical Jewish and Christian
Scripture — see bible table (Merriam-Webster online)
Isaiah was a major Hebrew prophet (Oxford Dictionary p 966)
Isaiah a book of the Bible bearing his name. Abbreviation: Isa. (Dictionary.com)
Isaiah He was the earliest of the major prophets. (MSN Encarta online)
Christian Bible Isaiah 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished (*raped). Holy Bible p557
Ravish force a woman to have sexual intercourse against her will [Oxford Dictionary p 1541]
Dash strike or fling something somewhere with great force, especially so as to have a destructive effect [Oxford Dictionary p 468]
Isaiah was a major Hebrew prophet (Oxford Dictionary p 966)
Isaiah a book of the Bible bearing his name. Abbreviation: Isa. (Dictionary.com)
Isaiah He was the earliest of the major prophets. (MSN Encarta online)
Christian Bible Isaiah 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished (*raped). Holy Bible p557
Ravish force a woman to have sexual intercourse against her will [Oxford Dictionary p 1541]
Dash strike or fling something somewhere with great force, especially so as to have a destructive effect [Oxford Dictionary p 468]
Kill their
children! Rape their wives!
How well Christians followed the Laws of Christian God in
India
Goa (1560-1812)
Children
were flogged and slowly dismembered (*tear or cut limb from limb) in front of
their parents, whose (*parents’) eyelids had been sliced off (*so they couldn’t
close their eyes) to make sure they missed nothing.
Extremities (*the hands and feet) were amputated carefully, so that a person could remain conscious even when all that remained was a torso (*the trunk of the human body) and head.
Male genitals were removed and burned in front of wives, breasts hacked off and vaginas penetrated by swords while husbands were forced to watch. ...
And it went on for two hundred years.
The Empire of the Soul, Paul Williams Roberts, Harper Collins, 1999 quoted in The Saint Business, Rajeev Srinivasan, Hindu Voice, Nov 2003, pp. 4-5
For clarity a few meanings have been inserted immediately after the related word marked within brackets with asterisk; ex: Extremities (*the hands and feet)
Extremities (*the hands and feet) were amputated carefully, so that a person could remain conscious even when all that remained was a torso (*the trunk of the human body) and head.
Male genitals were removed and burned in front of wives, breasts hacked off and vaginas penetrated by swords while husbands were forced to watch. ...
And it went on for two hundred years.
The Empire of the Soul, Paul Williams Roberts, Harper Collins, 1999 quoted in The Saint Business, Rajeev Srinivasan, Hindu Voice, Nov 2003, pp. 4-5
For clarity a few meanings have been inserted immediately after the related word marked within brackets with asterisk; ex: Extremities (*the hands and feet)
Puts beasts
to shame!
On recommendation of a Saint of Christianity
The Goa
Inquisition was established in 1560 as recommended earlier by Saint
Francis Xavier, and finally abolished in 1812.
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 6:43:23 PM
Subject: Re: [BrentSacre] Bible found in Turkey Claims that 'Jesus predicted The coming of Prophet Mohammed’
Christianity teaches love, mercy, compassion, democracy etc,on which Western Civilization is built on. Any religion that teaches hatred, murder and/or violence to the person, with no equality for men, women, and children are not worthy of such appellation.
Is it not true that the
riots, wars, and disturbances are created by muslims around the world????????? If the Koran teaches what I have outlined above, then how could it be a book of peace????????? Action speaks louder than words.
When the Koran was mistakenly burnt in Afghanistan there were riots and murders of soldiers. When the Bible is desecrated in the Muslim countries, the christians don't rise up to kill anyone and, moreover, they are being persecuted, jailed, killed etc.
Herein lies the superiority of Christianity. The main theme of
the Bible is LOVE AND COMPASSION. Can you honestly say that the followers of the Koran display such christian-like qualities????????
Is it not true that muslims tend to display a nazi-like indoctrination whereby if you do not conform to the status quo, violence and murder will follow as seen in muslim countries???????? In addition, is it not true that when muslims leave the faith, they are persecuted like the current case in Iran?????
Blessings,
Joe.
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Subject: Re: [BrentSacre] Bible found in Turkey Claims that 'Jesus predicted The coming of Prophet Mohammed’
To say that Quran is word of god raises a few issues. After all if some verses were lost in the final compilation then that sacred text is imperfect. Also this supreme being shows some rather unflattering characteristics notably advocating the extermination of the Medina Jews (Banu Qurayza) and the authorisation of Muhammad'smarriage to his son Zaid's wife, Zainab. Quran is full of words with Syriac, Aramaic and other foreign origin.
Under Pact of Umar dhimmis were not allowed to elarn Quarn. Why? Because it would eb obvious to Jews and Christians just how much the Biblical stories had been revamped.
Under Pact of Umar dhimmis were not allowed to elarn Quarn. Why? Because it would eb obvious to Jews and Christians just how much the Biblical stories had been revamped.
Dirgha Raj Prasai
Mar 14, 2012, 11:39:15 PM3/14/12
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Why Christians Have Forgotten the Greatness of Hinduism?
By Dirgha Raj Prasai
Why the Christians don't try to understand the greatness of Hinduism.
They should study the real history and facts on Jesus Christ,
Christian religion and Hindu Philosophy and its guide line for the
sake of Humanity in the world. Nepal is the pious Hindu country in the
lapse of the Himalayas, which is beautiful, quiet, the birth place of
Buddha and origin of Hinduism. Lord Buddha is believed to be the
incarnation of Lord Vishnu- the Hindu God. Besides being the country
of Everest it is equally popular with its diverse cultural values.
This is the land where civilization began and is also known as the
country of 'SANGRILA.' Nepal is as holy place to Hindus & Buddhists,
as Mecca for Muslims and Jerusalem to Jews and Christians.
The ideological differences on Jesus Christ and the Christian religion
are being analyzed with emphasis on historical facts and being
centralized on question pertaining to the search of the starting point
of the world’s religions. Muslim and Christian religions took birth
long after the creation of Hindu religion and its civilization. Hindus
and Buddhists of Nepal are highly liberal. They respect either of the
religions, Christian and Muslim. However, Hindus will not tolerate the
attempt made on attacking the popular religion of this place by coming
here and trying to evangelize people following other religions. In
Nepal, Hindus and Buddhists do not bear any ill will towards Muslims.
This is so because Muslims follow their own religion and respect
Hinduism and Buddhism, not attack them. So we are not angry towards
Muslims. Hindus of Nepal are suspicious and angry towards the
Christian workers brokers. Christian's supporters want to destroy
Nepal’s identity. Some Nepalese were turned into Christians before
1768 A.D after the Malla rulers came under influence.
After 1768 A.D the creator of the big Nepal, Prithvi Narayan Shah
chased away Capuchin and Christian preachers due to their suspicious
activities. So, from then they bore a negative attitude towards Nepal.
Why are Christians forgetting our history and their
originality-'Hinduism'? In the context of world religions, we should
research the originality of the religions. Jesus Christ and his mother
Mary were influenced by Hindu. It may be the Christianity was founded
on the life and teachings of a Jew named Jesus Christ. "Jesus Christ"
is a title and it comes from the Greek form of the Hebrew Messiah,
meaning 'anointed one.'
Dr. Swami Prapannacharya in his book ‘Bed Ma Ke Chhha’ has quoted from
Sri Baba Swanker, preacher Gopalacharya, Dr. Bukanin, Dr. Spencer,
Russian intellectual Dr. Nikal Sanoto from a book ‘Unknown Life of
Jesus’ that, “The birth of Jesus Christ was in a Hindu family of
India. There is a statue of Christ’s mother 'Mary' in Florence. Such a
statue is also found in the Church of Macmillan. In the statue Mary is
wearing a just Nepalese & Indian's women's dress (Sari-Cholo) like
that of Hindu queen and a red patch of vermillion (Tika) on the
forehead like that of Hindus. Many western intellectuals have also
believed that Christ took birth in a Hindu family. ‘God is Light’ is
the line of Lord Shiva, light of Christians. In an art house in
Munich, Germany a statue of Jesus Christ is found wearing a robe of a
Hindu ascetic with a patch of red vermillion-mark made on forehead
(Tika). In the statue found in Florence Jesus is wearing a sacred
thread (Janai) like that of a Hindu Bhramin. A picture found at the
Vatican Palace in Rome shows Christ having a length of bound hair
beginning at the center of a shaved head (known as Tupi in Hinduism)
and wearing cloth worn round the waist (Dhoti), looking an appearance
of a righteous man (Sadhu). An authoritarian regime of Israel executed
Christ who had stayed in Nepal for six years doing meditation. He came
back from the grave, as he had acted as if dead, with the power of
meditation and left for India.
We can see a tomb of Jesus Christ kept in Kashmir. Christ traveled
through what is now Nepal and India from 13-30 years seeking religions
teachings. There are facts that suggest he read Vedic teachings in
Kashi, Jagannath, Bihar and Nalanda. He went to Lumbini and visited
mountains of Kumbakarna, Gaurishankar and Mt. Everest south of Tibet.
It is mentioned in the Sanskrit language in a Puran (theology) book.
It is also mentioned in this theology ‘The mother of Jesus was
pregnant in younger age before her marriage.’ We can see the
similarity between Kuntee and Mary so Jesus Christ represents Karna.
Kuntee bore a child Karna before her marriage.
Similarly, an intellectual M.K. Shrestha has written, 'The mother of
Jesus Christ Mary had become pregnant before she had married. The
problem was solved when she accepted one carpenter Yusuf (Joseph) as
her husband. First he denied accepting her. Let it be- Jesus Christ
came to India at the age of 12/13 with businessmen. He spent some days
with Jainmuni (sage) in Rajasthan. Then he studied Ved in Kashi and
Jagannathpuri. He achieved enlightenment through meditation in India.
Jesus Christ preached on love, benediction, compassion and mercy by
learning from ancient Vedic Hindu religion. He has shown honor to Veda
in his books. He believed in Bhramh (the creator), Bishnu (the
preserver and protector), Maheshwor (manager of truth, beauty &
wellbeing) and ‘OM’. The word 'OM’later changed into ‘Omen’. The
manuscript of Christ can be read at the 'Summit University' in France.
The tradition that precedes a birth, death, marriage and christening
in Churches by priests and pastors corresponds with the Hindu
traditions. There is a hexagon of Hindu Goddess ‘Saraswati’ (Goddess
of Intellect) in the national insignia of Israel’s Jews.(Nepal
Samachar Patra)
In 1835 Lord Mecaule and in 1856 Caldwell used weapons to enforce
Christianity after colonizing India. Their blasphemous act of
disintegrating the Hindu religion has tainted the Christian religion.
To show them different to that of Hindu religion, Christianity has
shown utter disregard to the wearing of red vermillion (Tika and
Sindhur), resorted to burning scriptures of codes of conduct of Vedic
Hindu and Buddhism and vandalizing statues. In Nepal, some Christians
erected Churches without any agreement after 2005; they had not to so
such behavior. As such voices are raised by the employees of brokers
of Christianity, Christian religion is becoming unpopular. In Arab
nations due to the pressure mounted by the Christian nations of the
west, they are forced to view them as their enemy.
The Pioneer daily Indian Newspaper has exposed the analysis of the
Home Ministry's 42 papages report -27th Feb,2012, shows that 14,233
NGOs received foreign contribution of Rs10,337.59 crore. The highest
contribution came to Delhi (Rs1, 815.91 Crore) followed by Tamil Nadu
(Rs1,663.31 crore) and Andhra Pradesh (Rs1,324.87 Crore).
Interestingly, in district-wise analysis Chennai topped the list of
foreign contribution with Rs871.60 Crore, followed by Bengaluru
(Rs703.43 Crore) and Mumbai (Rs606.63 Crore). The biggest fund inflow
to NGOs has come from the USA (Rs3, 105.73 Crore) followed by Germany
(Rs1, 046.30 Crore) and the UK (Rs1, 038.68 Crore). These three
countries have topped in the donors’ list of Home Ministry for many
years. Most the funding has been generated from Christian missionaries
of these three nations. The donor missionaries have also formed their
Indian subsidiaries. The other toppers come from Italy (Rs583.47
crore), the Netherlands (Rs509.46 Crore), Spain (Rs437.25 Crore)
Switzerland (Rs302.06 Crore), Canada (Rs297.98 Crore), France
(Rs189.12 Crore) and Australia (Rs148.28). The eleventh big donor to
Indian NGOs is from UAE with Rs133.15 Crore.'
Actually, due to the different conspirator teaching of religion, human
beings are becoming confused and nerves. The reality is that
Christianity teaches love, mercy, compassion, democracy etc, on which
Western Civilization is built on. Any religion that teaches hatred,
murder and/or violence to the person, with no equality for men, women,
and children are not worthy of such appellation. Is it not true that
the riots, wars, and disturbances are created by Christians around the
world to loot and capture the mind and land of the people in this
creative and pious world?'
By Dirgha Raj Prasai
Why the Christians don't try to understand the greatness of Hinduism.
They should study the real history and facts on Jesus Christ,
Christian religion and Hindu Philosophy and its guide line for the
sake of Humanity in the world. Nepal is the pious Hindu country in the
lapse of the Himalayas, which is beautiful, quiet, the birth place of
Buddha and origin of Hinduism. Lord Buddha is believed to be the
incarnation of Lord Vishnu- the Hindu God. Besides being the country
of Everest it is equally popular with its diverse cultural values.
This is the land where civilization began and is also known as the
country of 'SANGRILA.' Nepal is as holy place to Hindus & Buddhists,
as Mecca for Muslims and Jerusalem to Jews and Christians.
The ideological differences on Jesus Christ and the Christian religion
are being analyzed with emphasis on historical facts and being
centralized on question pertaining to the search of the starting point
of the world’s religions. Muslim and Christian religions took birth
long after the creation of Hindu religion and its civilization. Hindus
and Buddhists of Nepal are highly liberal. They respect either of the
religions, Christian and Muslim. However, Hindus will not tolerate the
attempt made on attacking the popular religion of this place by coming
here and trying to evangelize people following other religions. In
Nepal, Hindus and Buddhists do not bear any ill will towards Muslims.
This is so because Muslims follow their own religion and respect
Hinduism and Buddhism, not attack them. So we are not angry towards
Muslims. Hindus of Nepal are suspicious and angry towards the
Christian workers brokers. Christian's supporters want to destroy
Nepal’s identity. Some Nepalese were turned into Christians before
1768 A.D after the Malla rulers came under influence.
After 1768 A.D the creator of the big Nepal, Prithvi Narayan Shah
chased away Capuchin and Christian preachers due to their suspicious
activities. So, from then they bore a negative attitude towards Nepal.
Why are Christians forgetting our history and their
originality-'Hinduism'? In the context of world religions, we should
research the originality of the religions. Jesus Christ and his mother
Mary were influenced by Hindu. It may be the Christianity was founded
on the life and teachings of a Jew named Jesus Christ. "Jesus Christ"
is a title and it comes from the Greek form of the Hebrew Messiah,
meaning 'anointed one.'
Dr. Swami Prapannacharya in his book ‘Bed Ma Ke Chhha’ has quoted from
Sri Baba Swanker, preacher Gopalacharya, Dr. Bukanin, Dr. Spencer,
Russian intellectual Dr. Nikal Sanoto from a book ‘Unknown Life of
Jesus’ that, “The birth of Jesus Christ was in a Hindu family of
India. There is a statue of Christ’s mother 'Mary' in Florence. Such a
statue is also found in the Church of Macmillan. In the statue Mary is
wearing a just Nepalese & Indian's women's dress (Sari-Cholo) like
that of Hindu queen and a red patch of vermillion (Tika) on the
forehead like that of Hindus. Many western intellectuals have also
believed that Christ took birth in a Hindu family. ‘God is Light’ is
the line of Lord Shiva, light of Christians. In an art house in
Munich, Germany a statue of Jesus Christ is found wearing a robe of a
Hindu ascetic with a patch of red vermillion-mark made on forehead
(Tika). In the statue found in Florence Jesus is wearing a sacred
thread (Janai) like that of a Hindu Bhramin. A picture found at the
Vatican Palace in Rome shows Christ having a length of bound hair
beginning at the center of a shaved head (known as Tupi in Hinduism)
and wearing cloth worn round the waist (Dhoti), looking an appearance
of a righteous man (Sadhu). An authoritarian regime of Israel executed
Christ who had stayed in Nepal for six years doing meditation. He came
back from the grave, as he had acted as if dead, with the power of
meditation and left for India.
We can see a tomb of Jesus Christ kept in Kashmir. Christ traveled
through what is now Nepal and India from 13-30 years seeking religions
teachings. There are facts that suggest he read Vedic teachings in
Kashi, Jagannath, Bihar and Nalanda. He went to Lumbini and visited
mountains of Kumbakarna, Gaurishankar and Mt. Everest south of Tibet.
It is mentioned in the Sanskrit language in a Puran (theology) book.
It is also mentioned in this theology ‘The mother of Jesus was
pregnant in younger age before her marriage.’ We can see the
similarity between Kuntee and Mary so Jesus Christ represents Karna.
Kuntee bore a child Karna before her marriage.
Similarly, an intellectual M.K. Shrestha has written, 'The mother of
Jesus Christ Mary had become pregnant before she had married. The
problem was solved when she accepted one carpenter Yusuf (Joseph) as
her husband. First he denied accepting her. Let it be- Jesus Christ
came to India at the age of 12/13 with businessmen. He spent some days
with Jainmuni (sage) in Rajasthan. Then he studied Ved in Kashi and
Jagannathpuri. He achieved enlightenment through meditation in India.
Jesus Christ preached on love, benediction, compassion and mercy by
learning from ancient Vedic Hindu religion. He has shown honor to Veda
in his books. He believed in Bhramh (the creator), Bishnu (the
preserver and protector), Maheshwor (manager of truth, beauty &
wellbeing) and ‘OM’. The word 'OM’later changed into ‘Omen’. The
manuscript of Christ can be read at the 'Summit University' in France.
The tradition that precedes a birth, death, marriage and christening
in Churches by priests and pastors corresponds with the Hindu
traditions. There is a hexagon of Hindu Goddess ‘Saraswati’ (Goddess
of Intellect) in the national insignia of Israel’s Jews.(Nepal
Samachar Patra)
In 1835 Lord Mecaule and in 1856 Caldwell used weapons to enforce
Christianity after colonizing India. Their blasphemous act of
disintegrating the Hindu religion has tainted the Christian religion.
To show them different to that of Hindu religion, Christianity has
shown utter disregard to the wearing of red vermillion (Tika and
Sindhur), resorted to burning scriptures of codes of conduct of Vedic
Hindu and Buddhism and vandalizing statues. In Nepal, some Christians
erected Churches without any agreement after 2005; they had not to so
such behavior. As such voices are raised by the employees of brokers
of Christianity, Christian religion is becoming unpopular. In Arab
nations due to the pressure mounted by the Christian nations of the
west, they are forced to view them as their enemy.
The Pioneer daily Indian Newspaper has exposed the analysis of the
Home Ministry's 42 papages report -27th Feb,2012, shows that 14,233
NGOs received foreign contribution of Rs10,337.59 crore. The highest
contribution came to Delhi (Rs1, 815.91 Crore) followed by Tamil Nadu
(Rs1,663.31 crore) and Andhra Pradesh (Rs1,324.87 Crore).
Interestingly, in district-wise analysis Chennai topped the list of
foreign contribution with Rs871.60 Crore, followed by Bengaluru
(Rs703.43 Crore) and Mumbai (Rs606.63 Crore). The biggest fund inflow
to NGOs has come from the USA (Rs3, 105.73 Crore) followed by Germany
(Rs1, 046.30 Crore) and the UK (Rs1, 038.68 Crore). These three
countries have topped in the donors’ list of Home Ministry for many
years. Most the funding has been generated from Christian missionaries
of these three nations. The donor missionaries have also formed their
Indian subsidiaries. The other toppers come from Italy (Rs583.47
crore), the Netherlands (Rs509.46 Crore), Spain (Rs437.25 Crore)
Switzerland (Rs302.06 Crore), Canada (Rs297.98 Crore), France
(Rs189.12 Crore) and Australia (Rs148.28). The eleventh big donor to
Indian NGOs is from UAE with Rs133.15 Crore.'
Actually, due to the different conspirator teaching of religion, human
beings are becoming confused and nerves. The reality is that
Christianity teaches love, mercy, compassion, democracy etc, on which
Western Civilization is built on. Any religion that teaches hatred,
murder and/or violence to the person, with no equality for men, women,
and children are not worthy of such appellation. Is it not true that
world to loot and capture the mind and land of the people in this
creative and pious world?'
America destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki of Japan in the Second World
War with the nuclear weapons created by Jew scientist Einstein. When
the then American President Roosevelt asked Einstein what he wanted
the latter has answered, “I want a Jew state.” In this sense the
Americans must have declared Israel ‘a Jew state’. In Israel the sign
which is common with Hindu Goddess ‘Saraswoti’ was made the symbol
Shatkon (angle having six bases) of Jew. It is an inspiration from the
Hindu religion. But the Christians are pouncing on Hindus wherever
they contact and show the attraction of money as attraction to
transform them into Christians. Their design is ending the Hindus’
identity.
NEWSWEEK COLUMNIST Ms Lisa Miller says-'we are all Hindus. The Rig
Veda, the most ancient Hindu scripture, says: "Truth is one, but the
sages speak of it by many names." A Hindu believes there are many
paths to God. The most traditional, conservative Christians have not
been taught to think like this. They learn in Sunday school that their
religion is true, and others are false. Let us all say "OM." when you
chant "OM," it will resonate not only in the room but down through the
ages.' May 13, 2010 at > http://www.newsweek.com/id/237910
Voltaire wrote—'Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd
and bloody religion that has ever infected the world.' Thomas
Jefferson, the President of US 1801-09, observed-'The Christian god is
a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes
to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only
needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They
are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites.
Similarly, an Indian Scholar Mohan Gupta writes- It is the
intellectual bankruptcy and Christian propaganda to equate prosperity
with soundness of a religion. In fact the internal consistencies,
teachings of profound truths and traditions of spiritual practices are
the parameters. Can you elaborate such measures about Christianity?
Europe did progress not because of but in spite of Christianity. Once
Christianity got hold of Europe in the 3rd century, it destroyed all
its illustrious heritage of countless sages like Socrates, Plato,
Aristotle, Euclid and who not. Christians literally burnt away all
their pre-Christian heritage and dragged Europe down to the dark age
of thousand years. Christianity has the singular dubious honor of
terrorizing Europe and world with inquisition, crusades and holocaust.
Today’s liberal Europe is not because of the Christianity but because
of the countless modern social thinkers. Their ideas of human
liberties and the social contracts are diametrically opposite to
totalitarianism of Christianity. Before joining Christianity perhaps
you should check the queue first. Please call guys with long white
coats. History is witness that the Churches opposed modernization in
one hand and supported the exploiters against the exploited on the
other. You might have heard about Churches practicing racial
segregation but not a squeak for the freedom and democracy. Have you?
When did Churches oppose slavery? As a matter of fact Churches have
used Bible to explain away and justify slavery. There is no physical
proof that God exists, let alone the number of Gods. So the monotheism
and the polytheism have same validity. The Semitic monotheism is not
about merely believed number of Gods being one. It is about straight
jacketing humanity in to a certain belief system and behavior pattern.
The Semitic religions are basically social institutions for tribal
survival. They are not about seeking truth or improving spirituality.'
Do they (Christians) want to do same in Nepal?
With this cultural innovation Jewish tribe was able to wipe out other
competing tribes. Who could argue against the success and
characteristics of the Judaism was set. However, it also traps people
into taking religion strictly in terms of military success against
others. The Semitic monotheism is not about the principle of
‘universality of divinity’ or of seeing ‘unity in diversity’. It is
about denying other viewpoints and cultural existence. The concept of
‘your God is no God, only my God is God’ is not about knowledge, but
about struggle for tribal supremacy. The Islam, a medieval, improved
and aggressive version of Judaism begins with the proclamation, “I
bear witness that there are no other Gods, but only Allah." In
contrast, Roman and Greek pantheon of Gods live like a family.
Devotees of Apollo will also pay obeisance to Hera, let alone fight
her devotees.
Definition of God necessarily has to be partial and personal. That way
we are putting apples and oranges together. Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism
etc. are not religions, and are about methods of spiritual
advancements. On the other hand, Semitic religions about tribal
survival, militarization of society, believe sets of doctrines without
questioning; social control and institutions producing scholars versus
soldiers must be made. The idea of ‘Holy Ghost’ comes from the
philosophy of Heraclites, circa 500 BC, Greece. He philosophized that
the world is not random. He noted whether in society or in nature
there is orderliness and the inner workings are governed by known or
unknown logic. It brings to the Christian definition of God given as
the Nicene Creed. Wise men agree that it may be one view of God, but
not the only view." Can a person or a council define God?” Like the
proverbial camel designed by a committee, the Nicene Creed is a
political compromise, not a vision of divinity.
An Indian scholar Ashok T. Jaisinghani writes about the conspirator
history of Christian- 'The Christian religion was used to justify
horrible and cruel acts of genocide. It was also used to intimidate
Indigenous people by making them think bad things were happening to
them because they were not Christians. The sales pitch was that if
they would accept Jesus, then their lives would be good. Many
Anishnaabek did not fall for it but yet it was always chipping away at
our sense of who we are. While the Creationists and Evolutionists are
often at odds, colonial interpretations of both theories supported a
racist and genocidal policy.'
Another Indian scholar Nathan Kollengode writes from Delhi thanking me
(Dirgha Raj Prasai)-' I want to personally congratulate you for your
efforts to open the eyes of Hindus to the grave threats & to save us
from total extinction thereby going to waste the selfless efforts of
thousands of Rishis & sages of past. We are 100% behind you in this
effort & I am forwarding this to both Delhi Hindu & Haindava Keralam.
We want Nepal to stay as the ONLY Hindu country of the world & not
make it another "secular" country like India'.
Famous French intellect Dr. Jekreliot Bible has accepted the Hindu
science. He says 'The Hindu Revelation (Veda) is of all revelations,
the only ideas are in perfect harmony with modern science as it
proclaims the slow and gradual formation of the world." German
philosopher Nieztse has said, 'The law book of Manu is incomparably
greater intellectual work than the Bible.' May this analytical and
research-based work in regard to who Jesus Christ was and what
religion was he influenced of and how Christian religion started to be
considered by all. We, Hindus respect the only Jews state 'Israel' of
the world. Lastly, it is our appeal to the Christian missions and
Christian nations that they confer their rich respect to the only pure
Hindu nation of Nepal. May there be efforts to the effect of
eradicating the negative views of Hindus towards Christianity. So, all
the Christians and Christian world must regard the Vedic Hindu
religion and respect NEPAL as a 'Hindu Kingdom.'
Email: dirghar...@gmail.com
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